Cardio makes you fat: "Women: Running into Trouble"
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I love running and run three to four times per week. I compete in 5k races, will be doing a 10k in October and am moving onto half marathons in the not-too-distant future. Now to do all these things, I need to run and train at running. Spending time in the gym lifting weights (especially heavy weights) is not going to enable me to run that 13.1 miles outside, it may ASSIST but ultimately, it will not be the weights that will get me to do a good time in the HM, it will be the training in the running that does the job.
I do not just wish to complete the HM, I actually wish to run the whole thing without stopping to walk and to cap it off I want to do a good time - all these resolutions mean:
1. I cannot be fat or even overweight
2. I must train in running
3. I must start to ignore ALL stuff that says too much cardio will make one fat - it is not true, it is a lie and it is misinformation.
Out.
Actually strength training will improve your racing. there are 2 ways to improve times. Strength frequency and stride length. And frequency is basically a non starter as when you compare pros to average joes, there frequency is basically identical. There is only a variance of like 10%. What this means is the difference between pro runners and non pros is all in stride length. They are able to do more per step than average runners.
So how do you increase stride length? 2 ways. Improve flexibility, and improve strength. Neither of which come from running more. I think you were trying to say that in your 'assist' comment. But I don't want you to think that weights are in some way not useful for getting better running times, they are if done properly.
And yes, you should ignore all the stuff that says cardio makes you fat. I can't think of seeing an article that says this however basically ever.... I do recommend though that you read things like the article posted in this thread however that gives good information.
I don't need to improve my stride length because it is fine as it is.
To lengthen my stride length will take me back to when I used to run that way and ended up with shin splints that put paid to my roadrunning days. If I were sprinting (which is what I used to train and compete at) then yes, increased stride length along with weights is a superb move, but for running long distances, the only thing that will get me to my destination is stamina gained from running, not sitting in a gym lifting heavy weights.
I wonder why my cross country coach insisted on us doing heavy weights when I was in high school if it was of no benefit to us. Hmm, I also wonder how we were the first girl's team to make it to state ever, all while lifting heavy weights (this was in the early 90's btw)0 -
so you've constantly been active throughout your life, but haven't been active in the last 20 years. gotcha.Hmm.
I've never been overweight. I've often been a little soft, though I've been consistently active with cardio, weights, cycling, walking...
In february after buying some Minimalist running shoes to walk to work in I got the urge to jog. I jogged for the first time in 20 years.
Now, 4 months later I'm running 3-5 miles 4ish times a week.
I'm MUCH less soft. I'm smaller. I'm tighter. My resting heart rate has gone from 85 to 61.
And I've lost around 5 LBS.
I think I'll keep running, thanks.
Jogging isn't the only potential activity one can engage in. Why so snarky?0 -
"I can't believe I stopped doing any upper body exercise and lost upper body mass!" - said the woman who wrote that article and nobody else ever.
If you want to look strong and sliced up you should focus on lifting and a restricted diet. If you want to be an athlete, if you want crazy endurance, a resting heart rate in the 40s, and air for days then you should pick up running (or perhaps some other endurance sport).
Pretty much every elite distance runner in existence works to keep upper body mass at a very low level in order to increase efficiency. Obviously you didn't win states, so maybe you just had some reasonably talented girls or some luck. It's ridiculous to attribute a single minor success at the high school level to a very unorthodox training method. There are people who actually do this for a living, and they don't lift heavy weights...I wonder why my cross country coach insisted on us doing heavy weights when I was in high school if it was of no benefit to us. Hmm, I also wonder how we were the first girl's team to make it to state ever, all while lifting heavy weights (this was in the early 90's btw)0 -
All I know is that I lost 160 lb when I was in my early 30s and @ 59, I'm doing it again.... the only switch I made in exercise 27 years ago was between walking (I lived in a hilly area) or "riding" on my old (and very cute) Schwinn exercycle. I did so well way back then, that I recently tracked down an identical exercycle, but with the good weather, I'm walking. I'm having no trouble dropping fat and pounds. I never had any trouble from 3-5 mile hikes at least 6 days a week OR an hour on the exercycle alternatively and I don't expect to now. This time around, I lost the first 60 pounds with just 20-30 min. workouts on the exercycle while reading and didn't even do it consistently (maybe 3 times a week for a while and then nothing for almost a week and then back to it...)
I'm sorry, but when anyone goes off on "cardio will make you fat", I'm suspicious. People will actually go that far to justify their own resistance to exercise. I've never known anyone who got fat from regular, moderate exercise. I've known people who had to try a different form of exercise as others have mentioned, but even I will do mostly one thing for at least 6 months with no ill effects. I have no idea what kind of issues come with heavy duty working out or excessive use of a treadmill, since I'm unlikely to feel inclined to participate.....0 -
Marathon runners aren't "big" because of their vast workout and eating plan. It's the same principle.
The article is about losing weight, not about athletes competing. Call BS all you want, cardio has yet to be shown to do anything more than diet alone. For much the same reasons he listed.Have you ever seen a fat marathon runner? (Man or woman that has been doing this for years) I call BS.
By the way, there's no need to be snarky and rude.0 -
Oh wow. You just totally validated my PhD with your view that I'm 'quite intelligent'. It's right up there with the moment you told me which of my posts you preferred.
I'm off to swoon now, Cris. Thanks. I feel uber special.
You seem to have a bad attitude and a bit of a chip on your shoulder, I don't really think its necessary and it comes off like you are bitter and twisted. How many cats do you have ?
Stick around a while and you'll get to understand that some people on this site have senses of humour.
Some people on this site may have multiple personalities requiring multiple senses of humour, Either way the comment in question came across as sarcastic rude, bitter and not at all funny. It appeared to come from the same place as women who tell you they can open the door by themselves thank you very much.
Bless. The irony of it all....
To answer your question.... I have two dogs (one of whom thoroughly enjoys running with me). They're great company. I did have a cat, but sadly she was killed on the road last year, and I've been reluctant to replace her, in case a new kitty shares the same fate.
Since you appear to enjoy the trade in tired stereotypes and irrelevant questions.... Let me tackle a few more for you, to save a bit of time with any more of your witty ripostes. If someone holds the door for me, I always thank them and go through. Doesn't everyone? Good manners are a wonderful thing, and should always be acknowledge. I also hold the door for others, as I do have full use of all of my limbs. I enjoy a full and active sex life - I'm a twice a day kind of gal. I have a great relationship with my partner, a wonderful daughter who amazes me everyday, and loving parents. I have a good career, at which I am pretty successful, and a broad circle of friends.
So no, I'm not a lonely spinster who can't get laid and only has a cat for company. How about you?
Now, did you have any more silly off topic questions you'd like addressing, or are we done for the day?0 -
Actually strength training will improve your racing. there are 2 ways to improve times. Strength frequency and stride length. And frequency is basically a non starter as when you compare pros to average joes, there frequency is basically identical. There is only a variance of like 10%. What this means is the difference between pro runners and non pros is all in stride length. They are able to do more per step than average runners.
So how do you increase stride length? 2 ways. Improve flexibility, and improve strength. Neither of which come from running more. I think you were trying to say that in your 'assist' comment. But I don't want you to think that weights are in some way not useful for getting better running times, they are if done properly.
And yes, you should ignore all the stuff that says cardio makes you fat. I can't think of seeing an article that says this however basically ever.... I do recommend though that you read things like the article posted in this thread however that gives good information.
I wonder why my cross country coach insisted on us doing heavy weights when I was in high school if it was of no benefit to us. Hmm, I also wonder how we were the first girl's team to make it to state ever, all while lifting heavy weights (this was in the early 90's btw)
hmm... It sounds like the weight lifting might have "assisted" your training. Did your coach have you doing any running at all, or was it just lifting?
And Jynus, I don't know how I missed this post of yours earlier. Elite runners may have longer strides, but that comes later, after increasing stride frequency. I don't know where you got your info about the 10% variance, but I can assure you it's not true. This knowledge is based on my own personal experience in running and also on observing other runners while I'm out. The slower runners do tend to have a slower stride frequency. I read a book about running form a few years ago that led me to increase my frequency to 170 steps per minute. This was very difficult for me to do, since I was more than 10% slower than that before. After I could manage it at good speeds, I had to learn to do it even when I ran slowly. This required vastly shortening my stride, which, in turn, helped me to stop heel-striking. Now that I can handle the higher rate, speed is a function of stride length, and what I've learned about form helps me to increase that length safely. BTW, I've counted stride frequency of elite distance runners on televised races and many of them are moving their feet even faster.0 -
The article is about losing weight, not about athletes competing. Call BS all you want, cardio has yet to be shown to do anything more than diet alone. For much the same reasons he listed.Have you ever seen a fat marathon runner? (Man or woman that has been doing this for years) I call BS.
Except building endurance, enabling you to eat more and maintain a good deficit, and generally improving fitness and reducing health risk.
Yeah, it's rubbish really, isn't it... ?0 -
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Actually strength training will improve your racing. there are 2 ways to improve times. Strength frequency and stride length. And frequency is basically a non starter as when you compare pros to average joes, there frequency is basically identical. There is only a variance of like 10%. What this means is the difference between pro runners and non pros is all in stride length. They are able to do more per step than average runners.
So how do you increase stride length? 2 ways. Improve flexibility, and improve strength. Neither of which come from running more. I think you were trying to say that in your 'assist' comment. But I don't want you to think that weights are in some way not useful for getting better running times, they are if done properly.
And yes, you should ignore all the stuff that says cardio makes you fat. I can't think of seeing an article that says this however basically ever.... I do recommend though that you read things like the article posted in this thread however that gives good information.
I wonder why my cross country coach insisted on us doing heavy weights when I was in high school if it was of no benefit to us. Hmm, I also wonder how we were the first girl's team to make it to state ever, all while lifting heavy weights (this was in the early 90's btw)
hmm... It sounds like the weight lifting might have "assisted" your training. Did your coach have you doing any running at all, or was it just lifting?
And Jynus, I don't know how I missed this post of yours earlier. Elite runners may have longer strides, but that comes later, after increasing stride frequency. I don't know where you got your info about the 10% variance, but I can assure you it's not true. This knowledge is based on my own personal experience in running and also on observing other runners while I'm out. The slower runners do tend to have a slower stride frequency. I read a book about running form a few years ago that led me to increase my frequency to 170 steps per minute. This was very difficult for me to do, since I was more than 10% slower than that before. After I could manage it at good speeds, I had to learn to do it even when I ran slowly. This required vastly shortening my stride, which, in turn, helped me to stop heel-striking. Now that I can handle the higher rate, speed is a function of stride length, and what I've learned about form helps me to increase that length safely. BTW, I've counted stride frequency of elite distance runners on televised races and many of them are moving their feet even faster.
and this ^ is totally accurate!
Personally, I favour shorter strides, but move my feet much quicker. Shin-splints are a pig and anybody who has suffered from them, but found a way to prevent them via a different stride pattern will know exactly what I am on about.
To the OP - not everybody wants to be cut, not everybody is doing cardio just to lose weight or "use up their calories" - in fact, I would even go as far to say that some of us actually ENJOY cardio (I know, surprising that), some of us actually ENJOY competing and some of us are not keen on lifting weights day in, day out.
I would also like to make a very valid point regarding the intake of 10k calories per day - this is all very well whilst the person concerned is in full training, but there is the tiny, weeny matter of illness and injury, because when these things occur occasionally, that calorie intake will be astronomically out of synch with the amount of calories the person will be burning during these "out of action days". Sure, they can cut down their intake, but it may not be speedy enough and then there is the psychological factor......
If anybody is exercising as such in order to be able to consume such huge amounts of food and drink daily, consider carefully the consequences should illness (not talking about two or three days here either, but weeks and months) suddenly happen, including accidents that, God forbid, should incapacitate a person for a while.
Cardio is good for a person and I couldn't give a rat's butt what anybody says, I will continue to do cardio as long as I am blessed enough to be able to do so.0 -
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I honestly don't know what to tell you other than your wrong. you have links to pages, I have actual people doing things. You WILL NOT find any elite lifter eating at the range you say the should be. Juiced or not. They utterly do not exist. You're more than welcome to find one and post as an example.... Good luck. You mentioned bodybuilders, so thats why I used them as an example. Change it to oly lifters for all I care, you'll find the same calorie totals.Anyways, I already gave you references on how much is burned through EPOC, which accounts for tissue repair, from weight training vs cardio. And it's not 1000s of calories in difference. Sorry. :-( And I gave you references to how much bodybuilders eat while bulking, relative to their current weight. Yes, the 16-18 calories/lb is a starting point, but do you honestly believe that it's going to go up 1000s of calories relative to weight? Please don't refer me to drug-using juice heads to try to prove to me that bodybuilding requires massive amounts of calories in comparison to endurance sports. But you should go ahead and eat 10K calories to support your lifting. Let us know how that works out for you.
Oh, I just read the nerdfitness link. Not that I believe these personal stories to be very accurate, but she claimed to eat that many calories to GAIN muscle, and not to maintain. She says right in there that she does not currently count calories. But according to her example daily diet, she currently eats around 2K, not 3K or 4K.
Tour de france is actually 8k a day. And thats with 5 hours riding time at elite intensity. Are you suggesting that the reason elite lifters eat 10k a day while doing cardio is because they are lifting and doing cardio for 10hours daily??
She gained on 3-4k to 140lbs true. My bad on that. But nowhere does it say 2k a day to maintain that I saw?0 -
I honestly don't know what to tell you other than your wrong. you have links to pages, I have actual people doing things. You WILL NOT find any elite lifter eating at the range you say the should be. Juiced or not. They utterly do not exist. You're more than welcome to find one and post as an example.... Good luck. You mentioned bodybuilders, so thats why I used them as an example. Change it to oly lifters for all I care, you'll find the same calorie totals.Anyways, I already gave you references on how much is burned through EPOC, which accounts for tissue repair, from weight training vs cardio. And it's not 1000s of calories in difference. Sorry. :-( And I gave you references to how much bodybuilders eat while bulking, relative to their current weight. Yes, the 16-18 calories/lb is a starting point, but do you honestly believe that it's going to go up 1000s of calories relative to weight? Please don't refer me to drug-using juice heads to try to prove to me that bodybuilding requires massive amounts of calories in comparison to endurance sports. But you should go ahead and eat 10K calories to support your lifting. Let us know how that works out for you.
Oh, I just read the nerdfitness link. Not that I believe these personal stories to be very accurate, but she claimed to eat that many calories to GAIN muscle, and not to maintain. She says right in there that she does not currently count calories. But according to her example daily diet, she currently eats around 2K, not 3K or 4K.
Tour de france is actually 8k a day. And thats with 5 hours riding time at elite intensity. Are you suggesting that the reason elite lifters eat 10k a day while doing cardio is because they are lifting and doing cardio for 10hours daily??
She gained on 3-4k to 140lbs true. My bad on that. But nowhere does it say 2k a day to maintain that I saw?
Maybe she mixed it up with my post? I posted somewhere that I eat 2k to maintain.0 -
It'd be great if those of us with a lot of weight to lose could just admit that we didn't get here by running "too" much. I'm running ow, though. AND ITS AWESOME!
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Yeah. What a cow.
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Yeah. What a cow.
Mooooooo.lol
When you basically sprint for 26 plus miles as part of your training...come talk to us again.0 -
I did a quick search, couldn't find it though. But it was like a 50m long projection wall where they had a top marathon running running his marathon pace. Allowing people to run along side trying to see how they match up. It was hilarious watching all there people running their 100% max and just not even come close to a marathon runner doing his normal run.
Yeah. What a cow.
Mooooooo.lol
When you basically sprint for 26 plus miles as part of your training...come talk to us again.0 -
Wow Chris and Jynus. You guys must be marathoners. Because your stamina in trying to explain the simplest basics to this group is remarkable. I gave up on them long ago when their childish snark and total lack of understanding of the body's response to training almost made me want to sign off MFP for good. Ultimately I just had to give up and try to post other places where I thought I might actually be able to help the OP.
It doesn't help that the article's headline is written like a Slate attention grabbing piece. "Cardio makes you fat(ty)" would have been 100% improvement. 1000% improvement would been, "If you want to look toned (or cut, buff, ripped, whatever) cardio is absolutely proven to not be the best way to go about it." That would be a sucky headline, but it would at least stop people from posting pics of marathon runners and thinking they proved the article false because the runner doesn't weigh 300 pounds.
No one is saying tons of cardio will make you gain weight. No one is saying don't run. No one is saying cardio doesn't have some health benefits. But if you want to look a certain way (toned/fit/cut), diet and lifting gets you there a hell of a lot faster than running 6 miles every day, which probably won't get you there at all. If you want to improve your running, then run. It'll work wonders for your heart too. But if you want to improve your look, there are better ways.
We all joined MFP to improve our look. No one joined MFP because they wanted to run a marathon, just like no one joined to get tips on how to bench 365. Better cardiovascular health and increased strength is a bonus.0 -
Right on. I have noticed that the people who support what you have said tend to be very fit, while the ones adamantly opposed tend to have '50 pounds to go' on their tickers. I'm sure that's just coincidence though *cough*Wow Chris and Jynus. You guys must be marathoners. Because your stamina in trying to explain the simplest basics to this group is remarkable. I gave up on them long ago when their childish snark and total lack of understanding of the body's response to training almost made me want to sign off MFP for good. Ultimately I just had to give up and try to post other places where I thought I might actually be able to help the OP.
It doesn't help that the article's headline is written like a Slate attention grabbing piece. "Cardio makes you fat(ty)" would have been 100% improvement. 1000% improvement would been, "If you want to look toned (or cut, buff, ripped, whatever) cardio is absolutely proven to not be the best way to go about it." That would be a sucky headline, but it would at least stop people from posting pics of marathon runners and thinking they proved the article false because the runner doesn't weigh 300 pounds.
No one is saying tons of cardio will make you gain weight. No one is saying don't run. No one is saying cardio doesn't have some health benefits. But if you want to look a certain way (toned/fit/cut), diet and lifting gets you there a hell of a lot faster than running 6 miles every day, which probably won't get you there at all. If you want to improve your running, then run. It'll work wonders for your heart too. But if you want to improve your look, there are better ways.
We all joined MFP to improve our look. No one joined MFP because they wanted to run a marathon, just like no one joined to get tips on how to bench 365. Better cardiovascular health and increased strength is a bonus.
Also, that marathon runner has quite a bit of fat in the abdominal area (more than me after 2 months of >3k cal workout days bulking up, me being a sedentary guy who spends 12+ hours a day sitting in front of a computer, and pretty much just does 3 hours of weights/week),
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I've already put the frustratingly dense users in this thread on ignore, so I will remain blissfully ignorant.
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sums up my thoughts well. if you're not on reddit fitness u should pop in, you would do well there.Wow Chris and Jynus. You guys must be marathoners. Because your stamina in trying to explain the simplest basics to this group is remarkable. I gave up on them long ago when their childish snark and total lack of understanding of the body's response to training almost made me want to sign off MFP for good. Ultimately I just had to give up and try to post other places where I thought I might actually be able to help the OP.
It doesn't help that the article's headline is written like a Slate attention grabbing piece. "Cardio makes you fat(ty)" would have been 100% improvement. 1000% improvement would been, "If you want to look toned (or cut, buff, ripped, whatever) cardio is absolutely proven to not be the best way to go about it." That would be a sucky headline, but it would at least stop people from posting pics of marathon runners and thinking they proved the article false because the runner doesn't weigh 300 pounds.
No one is saying tons of cardio will make you gain weight. No one is saying don't run. No one is saying cardio doesn't have some health benefits. But if you want to look a certain way (toned/fit/cut), diet and lifting gets you there a hell of a lot faster than running 6 miles every day, which probably won't get you there at all. If you want to improve your running, then run. It'll work wonders for your heart too. But if you want to improve your look, there are better ways.
We all joined MFP to improve our look. No one joined MFP because they wanted to run a marathon, just like no one joined to get tips on how to bench 365. Better cardiovascular health and increased strength is a bonus.0 -
Genius. :flowerforyou:Wow Chris and Jynus. You guys must be marathoners. Because your stamina in trying to explain the simplest basics to this group is remarkable. I gave up on them long ago when their childish snark and total lack of understanding of the body's response to training almost made me want to sign off MFP for good. Ultimately I just had to give up and try to post other places where I thought I might actually be able to help the OP.
It doesn't help that the article's headline is written like a Slate attention grabbing piece. "Cardio makes you fat(ty)" would have been 100% improvement. 1000% improvement would been, "If you want to look toned (or cut, buff, ripped, whatever) cardio is absolutely proven to not be the best way to go about it." That would be a sucky headline, but it would at least stop people from posting pics of marathon runners and thinking they proved the article false because the runner doesn't weigh 300 pounds.
No one is saying tons of cardio will make you gain weight. No one is saying don't run. No one is saying cardio doesn't have some health benefits. But if you want to look a certain way (toned/fit/cut), diet and lifting gets you there a hell of a lot faster than running 6 miles every day, which probably won't get you there at all. If you want to improve your running, then run. It'll work wonders for your heart too. But if you want to improve your look, there are better ways.
We all joined MFP to improve our look. No one joined MFP because they wanted to run a marathon, just like no one joined to get tips on how to bench 365. Better cardiovascular health and increased strength is a bonus.0 -
"We all joined MFP to improve our look. No one joined MFP because they wanted to run a marathon, just like no one joined to get tips on how to bench 365. Better cardiovascular health and increased strength is a bonus. "
Dav it must be great to be a genius. I have noticed the marks upon you in previous posts, to be honest. Shock and awe, mate. Really.
It's nice of you to have a clear vision of what *everyone* on MFP is looking for. And obviously, individual motivations for being *on MFP* don't vary over time, or indeed, vary from person to person. Clearly you're right. Everyone wants to be *just like you*. How could they not? You're obviously just incredibly awesome.
And with posts like yours, it's utterly incomprehensible why anyone would get at all snarky over this ridiculous thread, isn't it? Why on earth would anyone find such pompous posturing, and complete failure to grasp an alternate point of view irritating?
Because that, in a nutshell, is why this thread drags on so long. You're all so caught by your own reflection in the mirror, it's impossible for you to understand that there might be people out there whose needs, aims and wants might actually *differ* from your own.
To retort in kind, I'm not sure why those who can't grasp why the OP is basically and fundamentally flawed continue with their gross misunderstanding of the alternate point of view. In truth, anyone who's entered this discussion with any serious engagement did offer a bit more than 'I haven't seen a fat marathon runner' as an argument. But hey it's much much easier to set up those nice fat straw men and knock 'em down than it is to engage with people's actual substantive points, isn't it?
As you were, fellas. I'm sure that you have lots of preening to do, somewhere else, so I'll trouble you no longer with my overt stupidity.0 -
Right on. I have noticed that the people who support what you have said tend to be very fit, while the ones adamantly opposed tend to have '50 pounds to go' on their tickers. I'm sure that's just coincidence though *cough*Wow Chris and Jynus. You guys must be marathoners. Because your stamina in trying to explain the simplest basics to this group is remarkable. I gave up on them long ago when their childish snark and total lack of understanding of the body's response to training almost made me want to sign off MFP for good. Ultimately I just had to give up and try to post other places where I thought I might actually be able to help the OP.
It doesn't help that the article's headline is written like a Slate attention grabbing piece. "Cardio makes you fat(ty)" would have been 100% improvement. 1000% improvement would been, "If you want to look toned (or cut, buff, ripped, whatever) cardio is absolutely proven to not be the best way to go about it." That would be a sucky headline, but it would at least stop people from posting pics of marathon runners and thinking they proved the article false because the runner doesn't weigh 300 pounds.
No one is saying tons of cardio will make you gain weight. No one is saying don't run. No one is saying cardio doesn't have some health benefits. But if you want to look a certain way (toned/fit/cut), diet and lifting gets you there a hell of a lot faster than running 6 miles every day, which probably won't get you there at all. If you want to improve your running, then run. It'll work wonders for your heart too. But if you want to improve your look, there are better ways.
We all joined MFP to improve our look. No one joined MFP because they wanted to run a marathon, just like no one joined to get tips on how to bench 365. Better cardiovascular health and increased strength is a bonus.
Also, that marathon runner has quite a bit of fat in the abdominal area (more than me after 2 months of >3k cal workout days bulking up, me being a sedentary guy who spends 12+ hours a day sitting in front of a computer, and pretty much just does 3 hours of weights/week),
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I've already put the frustratingly dense users in this thread on ignore, so I will remain blissfully ignorant.
ROFL. The first thing I thought when I saw Scott's ticker was 'wow, what a heifer... ' As as for Di (who posted just a post or two before your work of genius...), yeah, she's achieved nothing at all, in weight loss terms....
But obviously you're right. Looking at my own progress, I'm a total weightloss write off. I've still got some left to lose, and consequently I have no experience at all in weight management, and must defer to those young blokes who've lost a couple of pounds but don't have much left to lose....
There's logic in there somewhere, right?
When in doubt, when your argument is *really* faltering, call the opposition 'fat' and run away. Just like in high school, eh? Brave and excellent debating tactics. Well done you. I think you must win some kind of medal for that post.0 -
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand there we go. ^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^ is what makes me treat posting on MFP like throwing hand grenades. I just want to open the door, throw in my post and run away before the blast gets this type of goop all over me. You can try to make a reasonable post, but then people like this come in and crap all over you. I guess it makes her feel better. I sure hope it does, anyway.
Jynus, thanks for the heads up about the Reddit forums. I'll check those out.
edited to add: Just ignored my first user. I feel better already. I wish I had known that option was there a month ago.0 -
Right on. I have noticed that the people who support what you have said tend to be very fit, while the ones adamantly opposed tend to have '50 pounds to go' on their tickers. I'm sure that's just coincidence though *cough*Wow Chris and Jynus. You guys must be marathoners. Because your stamina in trying to explain the simplest basics to this group is remarkable. I gave up on them long ago when their childish snark and total lack of understanding of the body's response to training almost made me want to sign off MFP for good. Ultimately I just had to give up and try to post other places where I thought I might actually be able to help the OP.
It doesn't help that the article's headline is written like a Slate attention grabbing piece. "Cardio makes you fat(ty)" would have been 100% improvement. 1000% improvement would been, "If you want to look toned (or cut, buff, ripped, whatever) cardio is absolutely proven to not be the best way to go about it." That would be a sucky headline, but it would at least stop people from posting pics of marathon runners and thinking they proved the article false because the runner doesn't weigh 300 pounds.
No one is saying tons of cardio will make you gain weight. No one is saying don't run. No one is saying cardio doesn't have some health benefits. But if you want to look a certain way (toned/fit/cut), diet and lifting gets you there a hell of a lot faster than running 6 miles every day, which probably won't get you there at all. If you want to improve your running, then run. It'll work wonders for your heart too. But if you want to improve your look, there are better ways.
We all joined MFP to improve our look. No one joined MFP because they wanted to run a marathon, just like no one joined to get tips on how to bench 365. Better cardiovascular health and increased strength is a bonus.
Also, that marathon runner has quite a bit of fat in the abdominal area (more than me after 2 months of >3k cal workout days bulking up, me being a sedentary guy who spends 12+ hours a day sitting in front of a computer, and pretty much just does 3 hours of weights/week),
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I've already put the frustratingly dense users in this thread on ignore, so I will remain blissfully ignorant.
ROFL. The first thing I thought when I saw Scott's ticker was 'wow, what a heifer... ' As as for Di (who posted just a post or two before your work of genius...), yeah, she's achieved nothing at all, in weight loss terms....
But obviously you're right. Looking at my own progress, I'm a total weightloss write off. I've still got some left to lose, and consequently I have no experience at all in weight management, and must defer to those young blokes who've lost a couple of pounds but don't have much left to lose....
There's logic in there somewhere, right?
When in doubt, when your argument is *really* faltering, call the opposition 'fat' and run away. Just like in high school, eh? Brave and excellent debating tactics. Well done you. I think you must win some kind of medal for that post.
If indeed that accurately describes his tactic...is still slightly more admirable than condescension and belittling sarcasm.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaand there we go. ^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^ is what makes me treat posting on MFP like throwing hand grenades. I just want to open the door, throw in my post and run away before the blast gets this type of goop all over me. You can try to make a reasonable post, but then people like this come in and crap all over you. I guess it makes her feel better. I sure hope it does, anyway.
Jynus, thanks for the heads up about the Reddit forums. I'll check those out.
edited to add: Just ignored my first user. I feel better already. I wish I had known that option was there a month ago.
I wish I could ignore people!! I just can't bring myself to do it lol.0 -
I wish I could ignore people!! I just can't bring myself to do it lol.
Yeah, I'm not totally optimistic about this experiment working.. Heck, I actually LIKE to get snarky and mock people in internet forums and it battling it out gets me all kinds of fired up. But I have other forums for that type of thing.
Truth is, The MFP app helped me a lot in a very short time and some of the individual posts in various topics helped me just as much. So when I post on MFP, I always want my post to try to be as helpful to someone as past posts were to me when was in need. Trying to "win the internets" against a willfully ignorant internet troll just doesn't do it for me on this site.
Now excuse me while I roll over to the AV Club and set poor fool straight.0 -
Also, that marathon runner has quite a bit of fat in the abdominal area (more than me after 2 months of >3k cal workout days bulking up, me being a sedentary guy who spends 12+ hours a day sitting in front of a computer, and pretty much just does 3 hours of weights/week),
LOL!
oh wait... you weren't trolling. In that case... A man with less body fat than a woman!? What sorcery is this?0 -
Lolli, ridiculous isn't it - that bolded posting I mean LOL.Also, that marathon runner has quite a bit of fat in the abdominal area (more than me after 2 months of >3k cal workout days bulking up, me being a sedentary guy who spends 12+ hours a day sitting in front of a computer, and pretty much just does 3 hours of weights/week),
LOL!
oh wait... you weren't trolling. In that case... A man with less body fat than a woman!? What sorcery is this?
To the one that posted the bolded posting above, you need to get outdoors and run some matey, you'll know exactly what I mean in a few years time - seriously I am not mucking about here.
Don't proudly tell the world you sit in front of the computer for 12 hours per day and do such a small amount of training, rather than think you a very excellent person they more than likely will thank God they are not in your shoes.0 -
But obviously you're right. Looking at my own progress, I'm a total weightloss write off. I've still got some left to lose, and consequently I have no experience at all in weight management, and must defer to those young blokes who've lost a couple of pounds but don't have much left to lose....
In all honesty it is easier to lose if you're 100+ lbs from normal. You can't claim much experience in weight management if you got that bad in the first place. Even if there is some sort of illness or metabolic condition, you still have to over eat a great deal for quite some time. While you can give decent advice to someone with a lot to lose, I can't see your experience being helpful to a healthy person trying to lean out or get fit.0
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