Why are most mfp users against holistic nutrition?

mrsnattybulking wrote: »

stevencloser wrote: »

mrsnattybulking wrote: »

stevencloser wrote: »

mrsnattybulking wrote: »

I don't personally drink the poptarts-all-day kool-aid (nor do I believe anyone enjoying any long term success does) Food IS our fuel, it's literally the only way our bodies receive the vitamins and minerals and macros they need to fight disease and thrive. I can't think of a single credible person on this site that would disagree that cake < broccoli in terms of HEALTH, but common sense would have us all strike a balance that allows us the freedom to include foods we love to eat because they taste good, with foods we love to eat because they have health benefits. You don't have to be one way or the other. Persons on either side of this argument are equally obnoxious and I personally like to hang out in the calories have context middle ground.

A diet of nothing but broccoli could possibly more detrimental to your health than a diet of nothing but cake.
In terms of HEALTH, context of the entire diet is important, no single food item.

I guess I gave too much credit by assuming the readers had the common sense to deduce that I wasn't referring to a sole diet of either or but thanks for pointing that out *eyeroll*

Under no other circumstances does "cake < broccoli in terms of HEALTH" make any sense. Because I can assure you that not eating your broccoli but instead having dessert on occasion is not going to impact your health.

on occasion lol. Drink that IIFYM kool aid and have 25% of your daily calories come from cake and cookies and lets compare micro profiles 3 months down the road.

MikePfirrman wrote: »

Stick with what you're doing. There are tons of studies out to confirm leaky gut, inflammation caused by wheat, that Round-Up was originally patented as an Antibiotic and ruins your microbiome, etc, etc, etc. You cannot convince people that don't believe in Holistic methods that it works. You can't. They point to sites that are supported or funded by Big Ag or Big Pharma like "Sciencebasedmedicine" or "GMOliteracyproject". Or worse, they point to information written by the EPA (Monsanto) or the FDA (pick whoever you want that's paid someone off).

My wife told me 3 years ago to let her die. She had Fibromyalgia so bad that she could not get out of bed. We kept going to Western docs. No F'ing clue what to do. She kept getting worse and worse. We've never been prescription people. Out of desperation, we went to a Holistic doc. With avoiding gluten/dairy and as much Round-Up as possible (and switching to a WFPB diet), my wife is back to herself. She works out five times a week and holds a job again (she's working today). She's nearly 56 in this picture with me. It's been like reverse aging for her. People can't believe she has teenage grandkids.

There billions of dollars at stake. There is an information war going on right now on the internet. Holistic docs don't have the money to influence people the way that big pharma does. That's why you can't go 10 minutes watching TV without a drug commercial. Statins do more harm than good (there's science of that), no stints don't do much. I can tell you all Fibro Rx's are garbage (except LDN) and cause way more harm than good, Glenn Frye (ex Eagle) died from the side effects of Arthritis drugs. You know what cures arthritis (scientifically proven) -- being Vegan. Yes, Holistic medicine is an inexact science. So is traditional medicine!

I'm also a consultant/recruiter. I own a small recruiting business. One of my specialties is R&D/Science based start-ups. One of the hottest areas right now in immunotherapy is changing the microbiome and identifying new species (mostly aquatic based because we all came from water) of bacteria that drastically change the microbiome and make you better. If anyone on here says this is "wooey", they don't know squat. I see scientific studies on this daily by the PhD's that I'm connected with on Linkedin.

You do you and don't worry about the sheep that believe what Big Pharma wants them to believe. Big Pharma identifies diseases as "marketing opportunities" on their research white papers. That should say enough.

MikePfirrman wrote: »

Stick with what you're doing. There are tons of studies out to confirm leaky gut, inflammation caused by wheat, that Round-Up was originally patented as an Antibiotic and ruins your microbiome, etc, etc, etc. You cannot convince people that don't believe in Holistic methods that it works. You can't. They point to sites that are supported or funded by Big Ag or Big Pharma like "Sciencebasedmedicine" or "GMOliteracyproject". Or worse, they point to information written by the EPA (Monsanto) or the FDA (pick whoever you want that's paid someone off).

My wife told me 3 years ago to let her die. She had Fibromyalgia so bad that she could not get out of bed. We kept going to Western docs. No F'ing clue what to do. She kept getting worse and worse. We've never been prescription people. Out of desperation, we went to a Holistic doc. With avoiding gluten/dairy and as much Round-Up as possible (and switching to a WFPB diet), my wife is back to herself. She works out five times a week and holds a job again (she's working today). She's nearly 56 in this picture with me. It's been like reverse aging for her. People can't believe she has teenage grandkids.

There billions of dollars at stake. There is an information war going on right now on the internet. Holistic docs don't have the money to influence people the way that big pharma does. That's why you can't go 10 minutes watching TV without a drug commercial. Statins do more harm than good (there's science of that), no stints don't do much. I can tell you all Fibro Rx's are garbage (except LDN) and cause way more harm than good, Glenn Frye (ex Eagle) died from the side effects of Arthritis drugs. You know what cures arthritis (scientifically proven) -- being Vegan. Yes, Holistic medicine is an inexact science. So is traditional medicine!

I'm also a consultant/recruiter. I own a small recruiting business. One of my specialties is R&D/Science based start-ups. One of the hottest areas right now in immunotherapy is changing the microbiome and identifying new species (mostly aquatic based because we all came from water) of bacteria that drastically change the microbiome and make you better. If anyone on here says this is "wooey", they don't know squat. I see scientific studies on this daily by the PhD's that I'm connected with on Linkedin.

You do you and don't worry about the sheep that believe what Big Pharma wants them to believe. Big Pharma identifies diseases as "marketing opportunities" on their research white papers. That should say enough.