What foods should I stop eating?
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Right!!! Because if I was a food-logger and you could all see, you would all jump on the paleo/primal bandwagon right??? Ya.
Sorry, I really don't care about convincing the masses on this forum with blinders on.
I get plenty of private messages asking me to elaborate based on my posts. Which is exactly what I want - because my time and energy is much better spent educating those who are willing to listen rather than cover their ears.
Well I consider myself a open minded person without blinders on. I for one would love to see what a person who eats 4000+ cals a day with mass amounts of vitality and lean muscle growth looks like. Also what harm is there sharing your diary as it could inspire others.
Is there really any point in denying some sort of evidence your way of eating is beneficial to the masses, it almost seems elitist of you to not share something that has worked for you so well.
There are knee jerk reactions on the forums to extraordinary claims about particular dietary preferences because often they are rarely if ever backed up with any evidence beyond the initial claim.
Do you see my point? I am not being derogatory, I have a genuine interest not only in the benefits you have obtained and what you ate to obtain them but why would you be so vested in the premise of keeping it a secret.
Share the wealth of health as it were.
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I forgot how much derp there was in the forums. Cut out no food and learn how to budget your calories and macros. Do you cut out a certain activity you like to do that costs money because your bank account is tight or do you save up for it and do it when you can afford to? This isn't rocket science.0
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I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!0 -
I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
Well this I could almost believe baby steps you're getting there
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Man I flexed a whole bottle of Merlot yesterday! And Im feeling like a champ!0
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I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
seems legit0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
seems legit
You're making it too easy. With your comment you just insulted yourself.
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I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
Good job! When you're ready to make a change, learn about fitness, nutrition, and steps to improve your health, we'll be here to help you.
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I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
Well this I could almost believe baby steps you're getting there
Of course it's believable. I just blended in with this forum. Just like putting on army camouflage.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
seems legit
You're making it too easy. With your comment you just insulted yourself.
Except for the fact that my diary is open and I have pictures. amirite?0 -
I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
Well this I could almost believe baby steps you're getting there
Of course it's believable. I just blended in with this forum. Just like putting on army camouflage.
No you still haven't blended because those that have been successful can back up their claims and offer realistic advice. Hell you're about my age I would love to hear how I could eat 4000 calories a day and reach my goals share this wisdom with us common folk
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Navtendon. Who are your patients?
Are you a medical doctor?0 -
Also, is your advice to your patients to not eat anything they can't pronounce?
.LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »soda. anything with high fructose corn syrup. any of that packaged crap like Hostess and Little Debbie stuff. those things hardly count as food anyway. eat real food. chocolate chip cookies you baked yourself are so much better for you than all the chemicals and preservatives in Chips Ahoy for example. and fast food. more fat than food.
Good... More little debbie cakes for us.
Seriously, it's all "real food" whether you agree with it our not. Everything in moderation. Plenty of people with healthy lifestyles that are on here would agree with that.
The entertainment value of this website is outstanding.
Because people preach eating foods in moderation?
Yes
You're right. Creating disordered eating habits is way healthier than eating certain foods in moderation.
I forgot you get extra credit for eating extra "clean" and "healthy" food as opposed to looking at overall diet and adherence.
Please talk to me when you require 3600 calories to maintain weight. Ever try eating 3600 calories of nutrient dense, "clean foods" and an everyday basis?
Oh yeah.. hahahah Orthorexia nervosa!!! hahahha I'm actually laughing out loud. This eating disorder is terrible and serious!!!! All this amazing weight control and delicious food and eating until I'm full and wonderful muscle mass and never spending a minute logging calories or weighting food and having immaculate maintenance of lipid profile and amazing mood and killer sex drive and no cravings and no sugar crashes and complete resolution of digestion problems and control of autoimmune disease and prevention of diabetes is just unhealthy!!!!!! I'm so miserable and unhappy while suffering from this eating disorder!!!
I'm sure they will come up with disorders for people who have healthy control of their finances and disorders for people seeking education or developing skills in life. What terrible suffering.
Actually you are right. I don't eat 3600 cal nutrient dense clean foods on an every day basis.
I eat 4000+ cals of nutrient dense clean food on an every day basis.
You're right, I have no adherence. I've only been doing it for 2 years straight. Real adherence must be doing it for 40 years straight. I'll talk to you then.
You don't log calories at all, but you seem 100% certain you eat 4000 calories. You are lying about one or the other.
Orthorexia nervosa is a serious issue and not a laughing matter.
You're right. I don't log calories. A friend asked me once and I was curious so I took an average day and logged. 4000 is what it came to.. and that was conservative....
I know what medical issues are serious and what aren't. That's based on experience with my patients.
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The_Deliverator wrote: »
Right!!! Because if I was a food-logger and you could all see, you would all jump on the paleo/primal bandwagon right??? Ya.
Sorry, I really don't care about convincing the masses on this forum with blinders on.
I get plenty of private messages asking me to elaborate based on my posts. Which is exactly what I want - because my time and energy is much better spent educating those who are willing to listen rather than cover their ears.
Well I consider myself a open minded person without blinders on. I for one would love to see what a person who eats 4000+ cals a day with mass amounts of vitality and lean muscle growth looks like. Also what harm is there sharing your diary as it could inspire others.
Is there really any point in denying some sort of evidence your way of eating is beneficial to the masses, it almost seems elitist of you to not share something that has worked for you so well.
There are knee jerk reactions on the forums to extraordinary claims about particular dietary preferences because often they are rarely if ever backed up with any evidence beyond the initial claim.
Do you see my point? I am not being derogatory, I have a genuine interest not only in the benefits you have obtained and what you ate to obtain them but why would you be so vested in the premise of keeping it a secret.
Share the wealth of health as it were.
FINALLY!!!!! Thanks for a mature response!! Regardless of whatever view you have, I respect the way you addressed my post. I keep resorting to more and more juvenile posts to "speak the same language" in order to get the message out there. I've just tried to resort to "whatever works".
I actually have tried to share the wealth as you say in previous posts. But it doesn't matter how credible or tangible things are, people will blurt out some invalid "debunking" comment, or throw up garbage "evidence against evidence" Alan Aragon links based on terrible premises and the whole thread will follow suit.
So, I kept changing accounts to modify online persona to speak the same language, as an experiment to see if I could share the wealth successfully based on different types of posts. Nope.
But, all the while, my posts did result in private messages from serious people who wanted to learn about it, and that way I can pass on valuable info without distraction. So my conscience is clear that I did make some sort of difference.
It's seriously no big secret and nothing extraordinary. Primal/paleo is everywhere in the journals, bookstores and online. It's practically mainstream, and there are way too many people who have had astounding weight loss and health transformation results for it to be thought of as some closely guarded nuclear secret. I'm just trying to direct people to it if they haven't heard of it. The materials speak for themselves. It only sounds extraordinary to people on this forum because it is such a paradigm shift from conventional wisdom. Unfortunately, conventional disease is just as popular.
It's really not extraordinary at all. No magic pill. You just go about your day enjoying life outside of exposing yourself to the last 60 years of conventional wisdom. Real food. Low glycemic. Occasional short heavy lifting sessions and refraining from sitting all day.
I won't post long lists of evidence for the reasons stated above, but since you asked politely, I can give you one resource that I follow - The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson, along with his website Mark's Daily Apple. That's more than enough to get anyone started, and should lead to more than enough links towards evidence. There are plenty of people who don't like this source. Ok fine. They don't have to look it up.
In terms of seeing what I look like? No. I make it a point to put as little personal info as possible on the internet. If you're curious and have an open mind as you say, try it for yourself and be your own before and after picture (assuming you haven't achieved your goals already).
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Also, is your advice to your patients to not eat anything they can't pronounce?
.LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »soda. anything with high fructose corn syrup. any of that packaged crap like Hostess and Little Debbie stuff. those things hardly count as food anyway. eat real food. chocolate chip cookies you baked yourself are so much better for you than all the chemicals and preservatives in Chips Ahoy for example. and fast food. more fat than food.
Good... More little debbie cakes for us.
Seriously, it's all "real food" whether you agree with it our not. Everything in moderation. Plenty of people with healthy lifestyles that are on here would agree with that.
The entertainment value of this website is outstanding.
Because people preach eating foods in moderation?
Yes
You're right. Creating disordered eating habits is way healthier than eating certain foods in moderation.
I forgot you get extra credit for eating extra "clean" and "healthy" food as opposed to looking at overall diet and adherence.
Please talk to me when you require 3600 calories to maintain weight. Ever try eating 3600 calories of nutrient dense, "clean foods" and an everyday basis?
Oh yeah.. hahahah Orthorexia nervosa!!! hahahha I'm actually laughing out loud. This eating disorder is terrible and serious!!!! All this amazing weight control and delicious food and eating until I'm full and wonderful muscle mass and never spending a minute logging calories or weighting food and having immaculate maintenance of lipid profile and amazing mood and killer sex drive and no cravings and no sugar crashes and complete resolution of digestion problems and control of autoimmune disease and prevention of diabetes is just unhealthy!!!!!! I'm so miserable and unhappy while suffering from this eating disorder!!!
I'm sure they will come up with disorders for people who have healthy control of their finances and disorders for people seeking education or developing skills in life. What terrible suffering.
Actually you are right. I don't eat 3600 cal nutrient dense clean foods on an every day basis.
I eat 4000+ cals of nutrient dense clean food on an every day basis.
You're right, I have no adherence. I've only been doing it for 2 years straight. Real adherence must be doing it for 40 years straight. I'll talk to you then.
You don't log calories at all, but you seem 100% certain you eat 4000 calories. You are lying about one or the other.
Orthorexia nervosa is a serious issue and not a laughing matter.
You're right. I don't log calories. A friend asked me once and I was curious so I took an average day and logged. 4000 is what it came to.. and that was conservative....
I know what medical issues are serious and what aren't. That's based on experience with my patients.
Uhm, figuratively yes. Literally no.
Some people have a hard time pronouncing spinach. Not because it's made in a lab. Just because.0 -
But you know what's even more entertaining? Faceless acting speaking as if they know what they're talking about. When in fact they don't.LolBroScience wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »soda. anything with high fructose corn syrup. any of that packaged crap like Hostess and Little Debbie stuff. those things hardly count as food anyway. eat real food. chocolate chip cookies you baked yourself are so much better for you than all the chemicals and preservatives in Chips Ahoy for example. and fast food. more fat than food.
Good... More little debbie cakes for us.
Seriously, it's all "real food" whether you agree with it our not. Everything in moderation. Plenty of people with healthy lifestyles that are on here would agree with that.
The entertainment value of this website is outstanding.
Because people preach eating foods in moderation?
Yes
It's funny cause they're oblivious.
Yes, I am oblivious as to why most of you on this forum have the ideas about food that you do.
Of course you are. I think we can all agree to that. Stick around, you might learn something.
Thank you for being ironic.0 -
The_Deliverator wrote: »
Right!!! Because if I was a food-logger and you could all see, you would all jump on the paleo/primal bandwagon right??? Ya.
Sorry, I really don't care about convincing the masses on this forum with blinders on.
I get plenty of private messages asking me to elaborate based on my posts. Which is exactly what I want - because my time and energy is much better spent educating those who are willing to listen rather than cover their ears.
Well I consider myself a open minded person without blinders on. I for one would love to see what a person who eats 4000+ cals a day with mass amounts of vitality and lean muscle growth looks like. Also what harm is there sharing your diary as it could inspire others.
Is there really any point in denying some sort of evidence your way of eating is beneficial to the masses, it almost seems elitist of you to not share something that has worked for you so well.
There are knee jerk reactions on the forums to extraordinary claims about particular dietary preferences because often they are rarely if ever backed up with any evidence beyond the initial claim.
Do you see my point? I am not being derogatory, I have a genuine interest not only in the benefits you have obtained and what you ate to obtain them but why would you be so vested in the premise of keeping it a secret.
Share the wealth of health as it were.
FINALLY!!!!! Thanks for a mature response!! Regardless of whatever view you have, I respect the way you addressed my post. I keep resorting to more and more juvenile posts to "speak the same language" in order to get the message out there. I've just tried to resort to "whatever works".
I actually have tried to share the wealth as you say in previous posts. But it doesn't matter how credible or tangible things are, people will blurt out some invalid "debunking" comment, or throw up garbage "evidence against evidence" Alan Aragon links based on terrible premises and the whole thread will follow suit.
So, I kept changing accounts to modify online persona to speak the same language, as an experiment to see if I could share the wealth successfully based on different types of posts. Nope.
But, all the while, my posts did result in private messages from serious people who wanted to learn about it, and that way I can pass on valuable info without distraction. So my conscience is clear that I did make some sort of difference.
It's seriously no big secret and nothing extraordinary. Primal/paleo is everywhere in the journals, bookstores and online. It's practically mainstream, and there are way too many people who have had astounding weight loss and health transformation results for it to be thought of as some closely guarded nuclear secret. I'm just trying to direct people to it if they haven't heard of it. The materials speak for themselves. It only sounds extraordinary to people on this forum because it is such a paradigm shift from conventional wisdom. Unfortunately, conventional disease is just as popular.
It's really not extraordinary at all. No magic pill. You just go about your day enjoying life outside of exposing yourself to the last 60 years of conventional wisdom. Real food. Low glycemic. Occasional short heavy lifting sessions and refraining from sitting all day.
I won't post long lists of evidence for the reasons stated above, but since you asked politely, I can give you one resource that I follow - The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson, along with his website Mark's Daily Apple. That's more than enough to get anyone started, and should lead to more than enough links towards evidence. There are plenty of people who don't like this source. Ok fine. They don't have to look it up.
In terms of seeing what I look like? No. I make it a point to put as little personal info as possible on the internet. If you're curious and have an open mind as you say, try it for yourself and be your own before and after picture (assuming you haven't achieved your goals already).
Oh brother0 -
Moderation. You really don't have to give up anything.
If you just want to eat healthier; avoid fast food and pops
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The_Deliverator wrote: »
Right!!! Because if I was a food-logger and you could all see, you would all jump on the paleo/primal bandwagon right??? Ya.
Sorry, I really don't care about convincing the masses on this forum with blinders on.
I get plenty of private messages asking me to elaborate based on my posts. Which is exactly what I want - because my time and energy is much better spent educating those who are willing to listen rather than cover their ears.
Well I consider myself a open minded person without blinders on. I for one would love to see what a person who eats 4000+ cals a day with mass amounts of vitality and lean muscle growth looks like. Also what harm is there sharing your diary as it could inspire others.
Is there really any point in denying some sort of evidence your way of eating is beneficial to the masses, it almost seems elitist of you to not share something that has worked for you so well.
There are knee jerk reactions on the forums to extraordinary claims about particular dietary preferences because often they are rarely if ever backed up with any evidence beyond the initial claim.
Do you see my point? I am not being derogatory, I have a genuine interest not only in the benefits you have obtained and what you ate to obtain them but why would you be so vested in the premise of keeping it a secret.
Share the wealth of health as it were.
FINALLY!!!!! Thanks for a mature response!! Regardless of whatever view you have, I respect the way you addressed my post. I keep resorting to more and more juvenile posts to "speak the same language" in order to get the message out there. I've just tried to resort to "whatever works".
I actually have tried to share the wealth as you say in previous posts. But it doesn't matter how credible or tangible things are, people will blurt out some invalid "debunking" comment, or throw up garbage "evidence against evidence" Alan Aragon links based on terrible premises and the whole thread will follow suit.
So, I kept changing accounts to modify online persona to speak the same language, as an experiment to see if I could share the wealth successfully based on different types of posts. Nope.
But, all the while, my posts did result in private messages from serious people who wanted to learn about it, and that way I can pass on valuable info without distraction. So my conscience is clear that I did make some sort of difference.
It's seriously no big secret and nothing extraordinary. Primal/paleo is everywhere in the journals, bookstores and online. It's practically mainstream, and there are way too many people who have had astounding weight loss and health transformation results for it to be thought of as some closely guarded nuclear secret. I'm just trying to direct people to it if they haven't heard of it. The materials speak for themselves. It only sounds extraordinary to people on this forum because it is such a paradigm shift from conventional wisdom. Unfortunately, conventional disease is just as popular.
It's really not extraordinary at all. No magic pill. You just go about your day enjoying life outside of exposing yourself to the last 60 years of conventional wisdom. Real food. Low glycemic. Occasional short heavy lifting sessions and refraining from sitting all day.
I won't post long lists of evidence for the reasons stated above, but since you asked politely, I can give you one resource that I follow - The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson, along with his website Mark's Daily Apple. That's more than enough to get anyone started, and should lead to more than enough links towards evidence. There are plenty of people who don't like this source. Ok fine. They don't have to look it up.
In terms of seeing what I look like? No. I make it a point to put as little personal info as possible on the internet. If you're curious and have an open mind as you say, try it for yourself and be your own before and after picture (assuming you haven't achieved your goals already).
What a surprise... all that typing and you still have said nothing. Your only source is Mark Sisson's, the Primal Blueprint and Mark's Daily Apple. Not even Mark Sisson eats 4000+ calories per day, and he is a former world class athlete.
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I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
Well this I could almost believe baby steps you're getting there
Of course it's believable. I just blended in with this forum. Just like putting on army camouflage.
No you still haven't blended because those that have been successful can back up their claims and offer realistic advice. Hell you're about my age I would love to hear how I could eat 4000 calories a day and reach my goals share this wisdom with us common folk
Ok. I just replied on a long post to someone else so there may be something helpful there for you. Dunno if that helps.
My advise doesn't sound realistic because it's virtually the opposite of what is preached on this forum.
And I certainly am not saying that people on this forum don't have results. Some people have unbelievably astounding weight loss results and have more muscle than a whole village.
I'm approaching things from a health standpoint with weight loss and muscle mass as a nice side effect.
I don't need to back up my claims - I didn't invent the paleo/primal diet or lifestyle. They are not my claims. If it doesn't grab you when you read about it, then it just won't grab you.0 -
The_Deliverator wrote: »
Right!!! Because if I was a food-logger and you could all see, you would all jump on the paleo/primal bandwagon right??? Ya.
Sorry, I really don't care about convincing the masses on this forum with blinders on.
I get plenty of private messages asking me to elaborate based on my posts. Which is exactly what I want - because my time and energy is much better spent educating those who are willing to listen rather than cover their ears.
Well I consider myself a open minded person without blinders on. I for one would love to see what a person who eats 4000+ cals a day with mass amounts of vitality and lean muscle growth looks like. Also what harm is there sharing your diary as it could inspire others.
Is there really any point in denying some sort of evidence your way of eating is beneficial to the masses, it almost seems elitist of you to not share something that has worked for you so well.
There are knee jerk reactions on the forums to extraordinary claims about particular dietary preferences because often they are rarely if ever backed up with any evidence beyond the initial claim.
Do you see my point? I am not being derogatory, I have a genuine interest not only in the benefits you have obtained and what you ate to obtain them but why would you be so vested in the premise of keeping it a secret.
Share the wealth of health as it were.
FINALLY!!!!! Thanks for a mature response!! Regardless of whatever view you have, I respect the way you addressed my post. I keep resorting to more and more juvenile posts to "speak the same language" in order to get the message out there. I've just tried to resort to "whatever works".
I actually have tried to share the wealth as you say in previous posts. But it doesn't matter how credible or tangible things are, people will blurt out some invalid "debunking" comment, or throw up garbage "evidence against evidence" Alan Aragon links based on terrible premises and the whole thread will follow suit.
So, I kept changing accounts to modify online persona to speak the same language, as an experiment to see if I could share the wealth successfully based on different types of posts. Nope.
But, all the while, my posts did result in private messages from serious people who wanted to learn about it, and that way I can pass on valuable info without distraction. So my conscience is clear that I did make some sort of difference.
It's seriously no big secret and nothing extraordinary. Primal/paleo is everywhere in the journals, bookstores and online. It's practically mainstream, and there are way too many people who have had astounding weight loss and health transformation results for it to be thought of as some closely guarded nuclear secret. I'm just trying to direct people to it if they haven't heard of it. The materials speak for themselves. It only sounds extraordinary to people on this forum because it is such a paradigm shift from conventional wisdom. Unfortunately, conventional disease is just as popular.
It's really not extraordinary at all. No magic pill. You just go about your day enjoying life outside of exposing yourself to the last 60 years of conventional wisdom. Real food. Low glycemic. Occasional short heavy lifting sessions and refraining from sitting all day.
I won't post long lists of evidence for the reasons stated above, but since you asked politely, I can give you one resource that I follow - The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson, along with his website Mark's Daily Apple. That's more than enough to get anyone started, and should lead to more than enough links towards evidence. There are plenty of people who don't like this source. Ok fine. They don't have to look it up.
In terms of seeing what I look like? No. I make it a point to put as little personal info as possible on the internet. If you're curious and have an open mind as you say, try it for yourself and be your own before and after picture (assuming you haven't achieved your goals already).
What a surprise... all that typing and you still have said nothing. Your only source is Mark Sisson's, the Primal Blueprint and Mark's Daily Apple. Not even Mark Sisson eats 4000+ calories per day, and he is a former world class athlete.
Firstly, if you knew what direction is up, you would know that that single resource is gold and worth more than a large list of things. You follow that, you're taken care of.
Secondly, the point isn't to eat 4000+ calories. I'm sure he doesn't eat that much. Who cares. The point is a paradigm shift in that when you select the correct foods, calorie consumption becomes a lot less relevant to health and weight loss.
But since you're stuck in the CICO paradigm, of course it would seem I said "nothing".
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The_Deliverator wrote: »
Right!!! Because if I was a food-logger and you could all see, you would all jump on the paleo/primal bandwagon right??? Ya.
Sorry, I really don't care about convincing the masses on this forum with blinders on.
I get plenty of private messages asking me to elaborate based on my posts. Which is exactly what I want - because my time and energy is much better spent educating those who are willing to listen rather than cover their ears.
Well I consider myself a open minded person without blinders on. I for one would love to see what a person who eats 4000+ cals a day with mass amounts of vitality and lean muscle growth looks like. Also what harm is there sharing your diary as it could inspire others.
Is there really any point in denying some sort of evidence your way of eating is beneficial to the masses, it almost seems elitist of you to not share something that has worked for you so well.
There are knee jerk reactions on the forums to extraordinary claims about particular dietary preferences because often they are rarely if ever backed up with any evidence beyond the initial claim.
Do you see my point? I am not being derogatory, I have a genuine interest not only in the benefits you have obtained and what you ate to obtain them but why would you be so vested in the premise of keeping it a secret.
Share the wealth of health as it were.
FINALLY!!!!! Thanks for a mature response!! Regardless of whatever view you have, I respect the way you addressed my post. I keep resorting to more and more juvenile posts to "speak the same language" in order to get the message out there. I've just tried to resort to "whatever works".
I actually have tried to share the wealth as you say in previous posts. But it doesn't matter how credible or tangible things are, people will blurt out some invalid "debunking" comment, or throw up garbage "evidence against evidence" Alan Aragon links based on terrible premises and the whole thread will follow suit.
So, I kept changing accounts to modify online persona to speak the same language, as an experiment to see if I could share the wealth successfully based on different types of posts. Nope.
But, all the while, my posts did result in private messages from serious people who wanted to learn about it, and that way I can pass on valuable info without distraction. So my conscience is clear that I did make some sort of difference.
It's seriously no big secret and nothing extraordinary. Primal/paleo is everywhere in the journals, bookstores and online. It's practically mainstream, and there are way too many people who have had astounding weight loss and health transformation results for it to be thought of as some closely guarded nuclear secret. I'm just trying to direct people to it if they haven't heard of it. The materials speak for themselves. It only sounds extraordinary to people on this forum because it is such a paradigm shift from conventional wisdom. Unfortunately, conventional disease is just as popular.
It's really not extraordinary at all. No magic pill. You just go about your day enjoying life outside of exposing yourself to the last 60 years of conventional wisdom. Real food. Low glycemic. Occasional short heavy lifting sessions and refraining from sitting all day.
I won't post long lists of evidence for the reasons stated above, but since you asked politely, I can give you one resource that I follow - The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson, along with his website Mark's Daily Apple. That's more than enough to get anyone started, and should lead to more than enough links towards evidence. There are plenty of people who don't like this source. Ok fine. They don't have to look it up.
In terms of seeing what I look like? No. I make it a point to put as little personal info as possible on the internet. If you're curious and have an open mind as you say, try it for yourself and be your own before and after picture (assuming you haven't achieved your goals already).
What a surprise... all that typing and you still have said nothing. Your only source is Mark Sisson's, the Primal Blueprint and Mark's Daily Apple. Not even Mark Sisson eats 4000+ calories per day, and he is a former world class athlete.
Firstly, if you knew what direction is up, you would know that that single resource is gold and worth more than a large list of things. You follow that, you're taken care of.
Secondly, the point isn't to eat 4000+ calories. I'm sure he doesn't eat that much. Who cares. The point is a paradigm shift in that when you select the correct foods, calorie consumption becomes a lot less relevant to health and weight loss.
But since you're stuck in the CICO paradigm, of course it would seem I said "nothing".
And making blanket statements without assessing individuals goals is extremely helpful as well.
I believe he is more concerned with the fact that you are claiming to be consuming 4,000+ calories a day and maintaining weight.
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LolBroScience wrote: »The_Deliverator wrote: »
Right!!! Because if I was a food-logger and you could all see, you would all jump on the paleo/primal bandwagon right??? Ya.
Sorry, I really don't care about convincing the masses on this forum with blinders on.
I get plenty of private messages asking me to elaborate based on my posts. Which is exactly what I want - because my time and energy is much better spent educating those who are willing to listen rather than cover their ears.
Well I consider myself a open minded person without blinders on. I for one would love to see what a person who eats 4000+ cals a day with mass amounts of vitality and lean muscle growth looks like. Also what harm is there sharing your diary as it could inspire others.
Is there really any point in denying some sort of evidence your way of eating is beneficial to the masses, it almost seems elitist of you to not share something that has worked for you so well.
There are knee jerk reactions on the forums to extraordinary claims about particular dietary preferences because often they are rarely if ever backed up with any evidence beyond the initial claim.
Do you see my point? I am not being derogatory, I have a genuine interest not only in the benefits you have obtained and what you ate to obtain them but why would you be so vested in the premise of keeping it a secret.
Share the wealth of health as it were.
FINALLY!!!!! Thanks for a mature response!! Regardless of whatever view you have, I respect the way you addressed my post. I keep resorting to more and more juvenile posts to "speak the same language" in order to get the message out there. I've just tried to resort to "whatever works".
I actually have tried to share the wealth as you say in previous posts. But it doesn't matter how credible or tangible things are, people will blurt out some invalid "debunking" comment, or throw up garbage "evidence against evidence" Alan Aragon links based on terrible premises and the whole thread will follow suit.
So, I kept changing accounts to modify online persona to speak the same language, as an experiment to see if I could share the wealth successfully based on different types of posts. Nope.
But, all the while, my posts did result in private messages from serious people who wanted to learn about it, and that way I can pass on valuable info without distraction. So my conscience is clear that I did make some sort of difference.
It's seriously no big secret and nothing extraordinary. Primal/paleo is everywhere in the journals, bookstores and online. It's practically mainstream, and there are way too many people who have had astounding weight loss and health transformation results for it to be thought of as some closely guarded nuclear secret. I'm just trying to direct people to it if they haven't heard of it. The materials speak for themselves. It only sounds extraordinary to people on this forum because it is such a paradigm shift from conventional wisdom. Unfortunately, conventional disease is just as popular.
It's really not extraordinary at all. No magic pill. You just go about your day enjoying life outside of exposing yourself to the last 60 years of conventional wisdom. Real food. Low glycemic. Occasional short heavy lifting sessions and refraining from sitting all day.
I won't post long lists of evidence for the reasons stated above, but since you asked politely, I can give you one resource that I follow - The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson, along with his website Mark's Daily Apple. That's more than enough to get anyone started, and should lead to more than enough links towards evidence. There are plenty of people who don't like this source. Ok fine. They don't have to look it up.
In terms of seeing what I look like? No. I make it a point to put as little personal info as possible on the internet. If you're curious and have an open mind as you say, try it for yourself and be your own before and after picture (assuming you haven't achieved your goals already).
Oh brother
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Someone tag me if we get any actual science in this thread.0
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LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »
I'm actually a closet obese blogger with several athersclerotic risk factors and several chronic autoimmune diseases who never comes out of my basement and loves to eat all sorts of junk food in moderation within my daily calorie limits because I can't stand the thought of anyone telling me that I have to restrict something because this is America and we have the right to everything they put on a grocery store shelf regardless if it goes against all common sense.
Ah. I'm letting it all out now. Thanks kgeyser! So liberating!!!!
seems legit
You're making it too easy. With your comment you just insulted yourself.
Except for the fact that my diary is open and I have pictures. amirite?
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