Clean Eating vs Exercise
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@solar_cat that's a great point. Although in my experience most people do one or the other (food or exercise) and then don't really get the result they're looking for. You can train your butt off in the gym, but if you go home and eat pizza you may lose weight, but your body will still be, let's say, less toned.
But I agree with you.
So you can't be toned and eat pizza?
Apparently not. Which is weird, because I eat pizza, and I keep seeing the outline of muscles visible under my skin.
what happens if you eat pizza AND ice cream....will you never see gainz????????????????
I plan on having both tonight, so I will report back, provided my muscles have not liquified and rendered me unable to type.
Now, if you eat pizza, ice cream, AND cookies, I hear that your gainz will reverse by 10% per day, and you add 1% body fat per day, until you "clean it up"....
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Don't ask questions you already know the answer to. Rookie.@solar_cat that's a great point. Although in my experience most people do one or the other (food or exercise) and then don't really get the result they're looking for. You can train your butt off in the gym, but if you go home and eat pizza you may lose weight, but your body will still be, let's say, less toned.
But I agree with you.
So you can't be toned and eat pizza?
Apparently not. Which is weird, because I eat pizza, and I keep seeing the outline of muscles visible under my skin.
what happens if you eat pizza AND ice cream....will you never see gainz????????????????
it was a rhetorical question ....
Do you also practice rhetorical lifting???
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BlueBombers wrote: »Am I the only one that finds the term "clean eating" extremely annoying?
I find it bizarre people get so worked up about it.0 -
I wont define "clean eating" but I can tell you what my last visit to the grocery store was like. I had twenty items and the only things not from the produce aisle were wine, milk and deodorant.0
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BlueBombers wrote: »Am I the only one that finds the term "clean eating" extremely annoying?
I find it bizarre people get so worked up about it.
Probably because there is a thread posted about it 20 times a day.
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That wine is good and we should always include it in our shopping carts. That's what I took from it.
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Danielle_Husband wrote: »
That wine is good and we should always include it in our shopping carts. That's what I took from it.
That's the only thing I thought as well
Except my state sucks so I can't get wine at the grocery store.
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Danielle_Husband wrote: »
That wine is good and we should always include it in our shopping carts. That's what I took from it.
That's the only thing I thought as well Except my state sucks so I can't get wine at the grocery store.
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I'm always fascinated when you can get liquor and groceries together. Here we can't.Danielle_Husband wrote: »
That wine is good and we should always include it in our shopping carts. That's what I took from it.
That's the only thing I thought as well Except my state sucks so I can't get wine at the grocery store.
I will think of you both the next time I load up my cart. The next ones for you guys, in honor of your struggles against the alcohol-related injustices inflicted upon you.
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Sorry, nevermind.
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mustgetmuscles1 wrote: »
You can eat over your maintenance calories and still lose weight if you're exercising.I exercise and lose more when I'm exercising.
I've heard people say that exercising doesn't make you lose weight, too. I don't know where it came from, but whatever. I thank them for the input, but it's dismissed before they're even done talking.
Semantics, but exercise doesn't make you lose weight but it helps. Being under your maintenance calories makes you lose weight.
The idea that losing weight is solely about what you eat is just not true. It gets said a lot. I know that. But it isn't true.
It's the end result. If you use up more than you take in, you will lose weight, even if you take in more than the numbers say you should.
No you cant. If you are losing weight it is because you are eating at a deficit or losing water weight.
I think it's just a lack of communication.
My understanding is that Kalikel is saying that if you exercise you can eat more than your maintenance when sedentary and still lose weight, whereas others are pointing out that no matter what you only lose weight when your intake is less than your actual maintenance given your activity level. Both are true. Exercise means you can eat more than if you don't exercise and still lose (of course).
I don't think any of this is controversial; I just think people are talking past each other.0 -
I'm always fascinated when you can get liquor and groceries together. Here we can't.Danielle_Husband wrote: »
That wine is good and we should always include it in our shopping carts. That's what I took from it.
That's the only thing I thought as well Except my state sucks so I can't get wine at the grocery store.
Yup, it sucks. Can't get 6 point beer here either unless it's from the liquor store.
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princessigor wrote: »I was just wondering what works best for other people personally?
IMO,
1. Exercise... daily. It is the fountain of youth.
2. Get the majority of your calories from whole, nutrient dense foods. Not only will they provide you with nearly all the nutrition you body requires, they will also help with #3.
3. Maintain a state of negative energy balance if your goal is to lose fat. There are dozens of diets out there that work because they get you in a calorie deficit (wether they tell you that or not). Pick one that suits you and do it.
4. Depending on your goals, if you have calories to spare, fill them with whatever you
fancy.
5. We have a tendency to oversimplify the complicated science of fat loss and at the same time overcomplicate the practice of it. Don't major in the minor. Relax and try to enjoy the ride.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »mustgetmuscles1 wrote: »I exercise and lose more when I'm exercising.
I've heard people say that exercising doesn't make you lose weight, too. I don't know where it came from, but whatever. I thank them for the input, but it's dismissed before they're even done talking.
Semantics, but exercise doesn't make you lose weight but it helps. Being under your maintenance calories makes you lose weight.
The idea that losing weight is solely about what you eat is just not true. It gets said a lot. I know that. But it isn't true.
It's the end result. If you use up more than you take in, you will lose weight, even if you take in more than the numbers say you should.
No you cant. If you are losing weight it is because you are eating at a deficit or losing water weight.
I think it's just a lack of communication.
My understanding is that Kalikel is saying that if you exercise you can eat more than your maintenance when sedentary and still lose weight, whereas others are pointing out that no matter what you only lose weight when your intake is less than your actual maintenance given your activity level. Both are true. Exercise means you can eat more than if you don't exercise and still lose (of course).
I don't think any of this is controversial; I just think people are talking past each other.
You may be right based on the comment posted after that. You can eat maintenance calories for no exercise activity and then create a deficit with exercise. But the deficit is necessary for weight loss.You can eat over your maintenance calories and still lose weight if you're exercising.
That is not what was said though.0 -
Danielle_Husband wrote: »
That wine is good and we should always include it in our shopping carts. That's what I took from it.
That's the only thing I thought as well Except my state sucks so I can't get wine at the grocery store.
On occasion the grocery stores here in Michigan will have wine or liquor samples to try out.
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It doesn't matter how many calories you eat. If you burn off enough, you will still lose weight. Theoretically, you could eat 100,000 calories a day and if you burned 100,010, you'd be losing.
The idea that weight loss cannot be accomplished with exercise is hogwash. You don't have to eat under some number. You can go over the number and still lose by working it off. Weight loss doesn't happen in a vacuum in the kitchen.
If people don't agree, that's fine. I'm not here to argue. Someone else will surely show up who did log in to fight, lol. I'm just saying that you can lose weight by exercising, even if you eat over your maintenance number. If you want. If you don't want to rely on exercise, that's cool, too.
Whatever floats your boat.
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in to eat over maintenance, weight train, and lose weight.0
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It doesn't matter how many calories you eat. If you burn off enough, you will still lose weight. Theoretically, you could eat 100,000 calories a day and if you burned 100,010, you'd be losing.
The idea that weight loss cannot be accomplished with exercise is hogwash. You don't have to eat under some number. You can go over the number and still lose by working it off. Weight loss doesn't happen in a vacuum in the kitchen.
If people don't agree, that's fine. I'm not here to argue. Someone else will surely show up who did log in to fight, lol. I'm just saying that you can lose weight by exercising, even if you eat over your maintenance number. If you want. If you don't want to rely on exercise, that's cool, too.
Whatever floats your boat.
Definitely just a communication error now that you summed up your thoughts. The problem with your side is that exercise plays into your maintenance calories. My maintenance is 3600 calories, this includes exercise. I cannot eat over maintenance and still lose. It's clear that you just didn't know what maintenance calories actually were. Hopefully, you have learned something.
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I think its all about finding the right balance that fits for you. I think both exercise and healthy eating go hand in hand. But I really think healthy eating is more important than exercise. if you think about it, your only exercising for a certain part of the day, whatever you put in your body is what you do all day. (also dont forget your gym is a business and will probably state exercise is more important to get you in lol)
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I always assumed from context that maintenance calories were the calories required to maintain your weight. I didn't realize this was a concept that fluctuated with amounts of exercise done.
It doesn't matter how many calories you eat. If you burn off enough, you will still lose weight. Theoretically, you could eat 100,000 calories a day and if you burned 100,010, you'd be losing.
The idea that weight loss cannot be accomplished with exercise is hogwash. You don't have to eat under some number. You can go over the number and still lose by working it off. Weight loss doesn't happen in a vacuum in the kitchen.
If people don't agree, that's fine. I'm not here to argue. Someone else will surely show up who did log in to fight, lol. I'm just saying that you can lose weight by exercising, even if you eat over your maintenance number. If you want. If you don't want to rely on exercise, that's cool, too.
Whatever floats your boat.
Definitely just a communication error now that you summed up your thoughts. The problem with your side is that exercise plays into your maintenance calories. My maintenance is 3600 calories, this includes exercise. I cannot eat over maintenance and still lose. It's clear that you just didn't know what maintenance calories actually were. Hopefully, you have learned something.
I am 100% guilty of not being hip to fitness buzzwords and have, indeed, learned a little.
What is the definition of "maintenance" as it applies to calories...or "maintenance calories" (if it's one concept with two words, lol)?
And why can't you eat over your 3600 and just do more exercise and still lose? I'm thinking that's nuts. Where am I wrong?
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I always assumed from context that maintenance calories were the calories required to maintain your weight. I didn't realize this was a concept that fluctuated with amounts of exercise done.
It doesn't matter how many calories you eat. If you burn off enough, you will still lose weight. Theoretically, you could eat 100,000 calories a day and if you burned 100,010, you'd be losing.
The idea that weight loss cannot be accomplished with exercise is hogwash. You don't have to eat under some number. You can go over the number and still lose by working it off. Weight loss doesn't happen in a vacuum in the kitchen.
If people don't agree, that's fine. I'm not here to argue. Someone else will surely show up who did log in to fight, lol. I'm just saying that you can lose weight by exercising, even if you eat over your maintenance number. If you want. If you don't want to rely on exercise, that's cool, too.
Whatever floats your boat.
Definitely just a communication error now that you summed up your thoughts. The problem with your side is that exercise plays into your maintenance calories. My maintenance is 3600 calories, this includes exercise. I cannot eat over maintenance and still lose. It's clear that you just didn't know what maintenance calories actually were. Hopefully, you have learned something.
I am 100% guilty of not being hip to fitness buzzwords and have, indeed, learned a little.
What is the definition of "maintenance" as it applies to calories...or "maintenance calories" (if it's one concept with two words, lol)?
And why can't you eat over your 3600 and just do more exercise and still lose? I'm thinking that's nuts. Where am I wrong?
Because if you did more exercise, those calories would be added into your maintenance calories. Maintenance calories are basically your TDEE. If you eat the exact same amount of calories you expend (including exercise), you will maintain your weight.
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Danielle_Husband wrote: »
That wine is good and we should always include it in our shopping carts. That's what I took from it.
That's the only thing I thought as well Except my state sucks so I can't get wine at the grocery store.
On occasion the grocery stores here in Michigan will have wine or liquor samples to try out.
That's common here (Illinois) too.
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So, these maintenance calories are a constantly changing thing? No wonder you can't eat over them.
I always assumed from context that maintenance calories were the calories required to maintain your weight. I didn't realize this was a concept that fluctuated with amounts of exercise done.
It doesn't matter how many calories you eat. If you burn off enough, you will still lose weight. Theoretically, you could eat 100,000 calories a day and if you burned 100,010, you'd be losing.
The idea that weight loss cannot be accomplished with exercise is hogwash. You don't have to eat under some number. You can go over the number and still lose by working it off. Weight loss doesn't happen in a vacuum in the kitchen.
If people don't agree, that's fine. I'm not here to argue. Someone else will surely show up who did log in to fight, lol. I'm just saying that you can lose weight by exercising, even if you eat over your maintenance number. If you want. If you don't want to rely on exercise, that's cool, too.
Whatever floats your boat.
Definitely just a communication error now that you summed up your thoughts. The problem with your side is that exercise plays into your maintenance calories. My maintenance is 3600 calories, this includes exercise. I cannot eat over maintenance and still lose. It's clear that you just didn't know what maintenance calories actually were. Hopefully, you have learned something.
I am 100% guilty of not being hip to fitness buzzwords and have, indeed, learned a little.
What is the definition of "maintenance" as it applies to calories...or "maintenance calories" (if it's one concept with two words, lol)?
And why can't you eat over your 3600 and just do more exercise and still lose? I'm thinking that's nuts. Where am I wrong?
Because if you did more exercise, those calories would be added into your maintenance calories. Maintenance calories are basically your TDEE. If you eat the exact same amount of calories you expend (including exercise), you will maintain your weight.
I don't know my TDEE or any of that. Since I'd lost forty pounds before I started with MFP, I decided to dance with who brung me and not bother with all that. If what I do stops working, I'll happily give it a go. Not anti-TDEE, just not going that route right now.
I'm going to withdraw my questions, lol. I don't want to know.
But thanks!
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So clean eating means your only source of protein and dietary fat is milk...
Not sure if want.
You got no right to complain, in NY I've even seen beer at the Rite Aid.
I'm always fascinated when you can get liquor and groceries together. Here we can't.
That's the only thing I thought as wellDanielle_Husband wrote: »
That wine is good and we should always include it in our shopping carts. That's what I took from it. Except my state sucks so I can't get wine at the grocery store.
In NJ, you can't purchase alcohol anywhere aside from liquor stores and bars. When I want to get drunk and eat my weight in Doritos, I need to stop in two stores. The struggle is real.0 -
So, these maintenance calories are a constantly changing thing? No wonder you can't eat over them.
I always assumed from context that maintenance calories were the calories required to maintain your weight. I didn't realize this was a concept that fluctuated with amounts of exercise done.
It doesn't matter how many calories you eat. If you burn off enough, you will still lose weight. Theoretically, you could eat 100,000 calories a day and if you burned 100,010, you'd be losing.
The idea that weight loss cannot be accomplished with exercise is hogwash. You don't have to eat under some number. You can go over the number and still lose by working it off. Weight loss doesn't happen in a vacuum in the kitchen.
If people don't agree, that's fine. I'm not here to argue. Someone else will surely show up who did log in to fight, lol. I'm just saying that you can lose weight by exercising, even if you eat over your maintenance number. If you want. If you don't want to rely on exercise, that's cool, too.
Whatever floats your boat.
Definitely just a communication error now that you summed up your thoughts. The problem with your side is that exercise plays into your maintenance calories. My maintenance is 3600 calories, this includes exercise. I cannot eat over maintenance and still lose. It's clear that you just didn't know what maintenance calories actually were. Hopefully, you have learned something.
I am 100% guilty of not being hip to fitness buzzwords and have, indeed, learned a little.
What is the definition of "maintenance" as it applies to calories...or "maintenance calories" (if it's one concept with two words, lol)?
And why can't you eat over your 3600 and just do more exercise and still lose? I'm thinking that's nuts. Where am I wrong?
Because if you did more exercise, those calories would be added into your maintenance calories. Maintenance calories are basically your TDEE. If you eat the exact same amount of calories you expend (including exercise), you will maintain your weight.
I don't know my TDEE or any of that. Since I'd lost forty pounds before I started with MFP, I decided to dance with who brung me and not bother with all that. If what I do stops working, I'll happily give it a go. Not anti-TDEE, just not going that route right now.
I'm going to withdraw my questions, lol. I don't want to know.
But thanks!
Your energy expenditure does fluctuate based on the activities you do each day. A day spent in pajamas binge-watching Netflix will require fewer calories than a day spent rock climbing, for example. TDEE is an average based on your average daily activity. People who use this method eat roughly the same amount every day (or every week on average) because they prefer this method to changing their intake with daily fluctuations in activity.0
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