Grrrrr...visit to my doctor
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Oh my friend ndj1979, I would have been disappointed if you didn't comment on my post. You do seem to be fascinated with what I have to say.
No Endocrinologist would advise me to eat wheat as it makes me too ill and the Primal/Paleo I follow is simply full of healthy foods and is not strict like the ancient Paleolithic diet. I simply choose not to eat preservative, additives and I am trying as much as possible to get added sugar out of my diet. I am sure he would be delighted with my choices and if not I would certainly seek another specialist.
perhaps it is because you are applying your unique situation to everyone and advising them to avoid "added sugar" and what not. News flash - your body does not distinguish between added sugar, natural sugar, sugar from heaven, or sugar from hell.it is just well, sugar...0 -
One good thing about not being smart enough to get into medical school. You can never be held responsible for giving out bad medical advice.
You don't actually have to be smarter than average to get into medical school, or even graduate. You just have to be able to study hard and memorize a lot of stuff.
This reminds me of that old cliche you sometimes hear about professional bodybuilders.
"You don't have to be strong to be a bodybuilder, you just have to have big muscles."
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PrizePopple wrote: »I'd be suspicious if a doctor told me that I'm "healthy as a horse" and then turns around and gives me a list of foods to avoid. If you're healthy then what is the reasoning behind it? Questioning your doctor, or seeking a second opinion is not the least bit unreasonable.
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Yeah, either the OP is healthy and doesn't need specific food restrictions, or something was off and the doctor isn't being honest. I'd call and ask for a copy of the blood tests, and possibly find a new doc.0 -
When I entered menopause my body developed resistance to insulin. The way food is digested into energy is a chemical reaction. If a hormone alters the process there will be a consequence. So, yes you need to track calories and exercise but as we know the body is a complex set of systems running simultaneously so don't discount the affect of hormonal changes. If you told me that when I was 30, I would have smirked and thought eat less honey...but now I need to apologize because for me it's my truth.0
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So I had always been within the same 10 lb weight range for years and then I suddenly gained 15 lbs seemingly overnight...even though it was probably over a few months. I had not changed my eating habits at all so I was curious about what was going on. My blood work from my physical revealed low hormones so I set up an appointment with an Endocrinologist just to make sure something funky wasn't going on with my hormones. Well, he just told me that I'm "healthy as a horse" and nothing is wrong with hormones/thyroid. He wrote down a list of foods for me to cut out of my diet which are as follows: bread, rice, pasta, potatoes, chocolate, honey, sugar, peas, corn, and alcohol. Is it wrong of me to actually be disappointed that something wasn't wrong that caused the weight gain??...because now it means I REALLY have to tighten up my diet instead of simply taking a pill to "fix" what was wrong...I guess the truth hurts......
Why did your doctor tell you to cut out those foods? If he/she didn't tell you the reason, then you might want to ask.
You gained weight because you ate too much. In order to lose weight, a calorie deficit is all that's required. That's it.
Here's some suggestions: weigh all solids and measure all liquids, log every single bite you eat, set up your goals in MFP to eat according to your desired weight loss goals, and eat within that calorie limit. If you do these things you will lose weight no matter what you eat. 0 -
I'd get a second opinion!0
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One good thing about not being smart enough to get into medical school. You can never be held responsible for giving out bad medical advice.
You don't actually have to be smarter than average to get into medical school, or even graduate. You just have to be able to study hard and memorize a lot of stuff.
This reminds me of that old cliche you sometimes hear about professional bodybuilders.
"You don't have to be strong to be a bodybuilder, you just have to have big muscles."
Well, it is true, about doctors at least. I can't comment on bodybuilders. You think just because someone is an MD, they automatically have a higher IQ than someone who isn't? Nope.
I have friends who are physicians and psychiatrists (yes, they go to med school, PLUS do 4-6 years of additional training in psychiatry, residencies, etc) and they readily admit they aren't the smartest the people ever; they had to study their *kitten* off the whole time and pretty much had no life outside of school.
It takes a lot of dedication, and time, to be sure.
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Sounds like you have found a good doctor who is recommending healthy, nutritious natural food which is unprocessed. The doctor also isn't just giving you a pill which might cure you by covering the symptoms but giving you side effects which damage something else in your body. Give it a go see how you feel. I reckon you will lose weight and have a lot more energy if you follow his advice correctly. Eating fats and proteins makes you feel full which is the reason why you lose weight. You eat less you are never ravenously hungry. Control your insulin spikes and you will make your body regulate when to eat.0
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i eat pasta potatoes or bread or rice with every main meal everyday and i lose weight i think you need to look at how much you are eating and not what you are eating0
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perhaps it is because you are applying your unique situation to everyone and advising them to avoid "added sugar" and what not. News flash - your body does not distinguish between added sugar, natural sugar, sugar from heaven, or sugar from hell.it is just well, sugar...
But do you agree that a person can have too much sugar. Say for instance, a day of eating things like Coco Pops, fast foods, donuts, coke and lollies.
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I would buy it if he had said cut back on, because that list contains a lot of things that are easy to overeat, but to cut out entirely seems like a bit of overkill.0
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perhaps it is because you are applying your unique situation to everyone and advising them to avoid "added sugar" and what not. News flash - your body does not distinguish between added sugar, natural sugar, sugar from heaven, or sugar from hell.it is just well, sugar...
But do you agree that a person can have too much sugar. Say for instance, a day of eating things like Coco Pops, fast foods, donuts, coke and lollies.
if that composes 100% of their diet then yes….
if it is part of a regular diet, then no …
what does fast food have to do with sugar?
sugar is not the devil.
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Sounds like you have found a good doctor who is recommending healthy, nutritious natural food which is unprocessed. The doctor also isn't just giving you a pill which might cure you by covering the symptoms but giving you side effects which damage something else in your body. Give it a go see how you feel. I reckon you will lose weight and have a lot more energy if you follow his advice correctly. Eating fats and proteins makes you feel full which is the reason why you lose weight. You eat less you are never ravenously hungry. Control your insulin spikes and you will make your body regulate when to eat.
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Protein also provides the body with essential amino acids and satiation. Only 42% of protein COULD be turned into glycogen via glucogenesis. Yes insulin is spiked there is no where near as much pressure on the GI tract as there is when you eat carbs. Carbs are also very inflammatory on your body.Sounds like you have found a good doctor who is recommending healthy, nutritious natural food which is unprocessed. The doctor also isn't just giving you a pill which might cure you by covering the symptoms but giving you side effects which damage something else in your body. Give it a go see how you feel. I reckon you will lose weight and have a lot more energy if you follow his advice correctly. Eating fats and proteins makes you feel full which is the reason why you lose weight. You eat less you are never ravenously hungry. Control your insulin spikes and you will make your body regulate when to eat.
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Endocrinologists are not Dietitians. Just because you go to medical school doesn't mean you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. Find a good dietitian if your're concerned about what you eat. If not, eat LESS of it, exercise and reap the benefit of weight loss.0
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Protein also provides the body with essential amino acids and satiation. Only 42% of protein COULD be turned into glycogen via glucogenesis. Yes insulin is spiked there is no where near as much pressure on the GI tract as there is when you eat carbs. Carbs are also very inflammatory on your body.Sounds like you have found a good doctor who is recommending healthy, nutritious natural food which is unprocessed. The doctor also isn't just giving you a pill which might cure you by covering the symptoms but giving you side effects which damage something else in your body. Give it a go see how you feel. I reckon you will lose weight and have a lot more energy if you follow his advice correctly. Eating fats and proteins makes you feel full which is the reason why you lose weight. You eat less you are never ravenously hungry. Control your insulin spikes and you will make your body regulate when to eat.
protein spikes insulin too ..should that be avoided?
so you should eat zero carbs then?????????
I would be curious to review some peer review literature on the "carbs are inflammatory" statement…
also, OP will lose weight by just eating in a deficit. Eliminating whole food groups has nothing to do with it...0 -
I would find out why exactly he thinks you should cut out those foods. Is he simply trying to give advice on how you can lose those 15 pounds? If yes... Then I would say you are safe ignoring him and simply eating at a deficit. Start logging your food. If you already are, just tighten up on your weighing/measuring and calorie intake. But before you dismiss it entirely, make sure you know why exactly he's recommending it. Don't do anything stupid.0
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perhaps it is because you are applying your unique situation to everyone and advising them to avoid "added sugar" and what not. News flash - your body does not distinguish between added sugar, natural sugar, sugar from heaven, or sugar from hell.it is just well, sugar...
But do you agree that a person can have too much sugar. Say for instance, a day of eating things like Coco Pops, fast foods, donuts, coke and lollies.
Too much, too little or just the right amount are all possible - all of which will vary and needs to be in context of the person and the overall diet and lifestyle. I recently had a day when I ate almost 4,500 calories (mostly from sugar and carbs) and it did me the power of good. Because it was in context of that day and my particular dietary needs that day.
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if that composes 100% of their diet then yes….
if it is part of a regular diet, then no …
what does fast food have to do with sugar?
sugar is not the devil.
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For a lot of people it is 100% of their diet and then sugar is the devil. Too much can not be good for you. For me I get the headache from hell.
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if that composes 100% of their diet then yes….
if it is part of a regular diet, then no …
what does fast food have to do with sugar?
sugar is not the devil.
For a lot of people it is 100% of their diet and then sugar is the devil. Too much can not be good for you. For me I get the headache from hell.
"A lot" of people? I have never in my life met one person whose entire diet is fast food, soda, coco pops, donuts, and lollies. Not one.0 -
Protein also provides the body with essential amino acids and satiation. Only 42% of protein COULD be turned into glycogen via glucogenesis. Yes insulin is spiked there is no where near as much pressure on the GI tract as there is when you eat carbs. Carbs are also very inflammatory on your body.Sounds like you have found a good doctor who is recommending healthy, nutritious natural food which is unprocessed. The doctor also isn't just giving you a pill which might cure you by covering the symptoms but giving you side effects which damage something else in your body. Give it a go see how you feel. I reckon you will lose weight and have a lot more energy if you follow his advice correctly. Eating fats and proteins makes you feel full which is the reason why you lose weight. You eat less you are never ravenously hungry. Control your insulin spikes and you will make your body regulate when to eat.
protein spikes insulin too ..should that be avoided?
so you should eat zero carbs then?????????
I would be curious to review some peer review literature on the "carbs are inflammatory" statement…
also, OP will lose weight by just eating in a deficit. Eliminating whole food groups has nothing to do with it...
Not zero carbs, but carbs only coming from non starchy vegetable sources. I eat 8-10 serves of vegetables, more than most on high carb eating plans. They provide the micronutrients I need to be healthy. Starchy carbs, bread, pasta and rice provide zero nutritional benefit apart from a short supply of energy and a cost efficient calorie source. There is no such thing as an essential carb. But the body needs essential amino acids from protein and essential fatty acids to transport nutrients and repair cells.
As for a study on inflammation this was published a few months ago.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140508095415.htm
Whilst this is is an opinionated webpage, check the references it cites for more reading.
http://www.cavemandoctor.com/2012/03/27/inflammation-which-foods-take-the-blame/0 -
+1iamanasangel wrote: »I strongly disagree with ignoring what your doctor said... If you disagree with his advice then i would get another opinion. i would not, however, just be my own doctor. I dont know about everyone else here, but im not a doctor, i cant claim to know whats healthy for you. talk to another doctor but do not play doctor by yourself.
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Really? Never met one of these people in all my 54 years.For a lot of people it is 100% of their diet and then sugar is the devil. Too much can not be good for you. For me I get the headache from hell.
And by the same logic as I'm severly allergic to penicillin is that also the devil and everyone should avoid it?
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"A lot" of people? I have never in my life met one person whose entire diet is fast food, soda, coco pops, donuts, and lollies. Not one. [/quote]
"Not one" - You need to check out druggies, the homeless, lots of teenagers and people on welfare and the next time you go shopping, have a look in people's trolleys and look around you and check out the size of half the population. They didn't get obese by eating meat and veggies. I know people who live on Mrs Mac's pies and nothing but junk and don't even know anything about nutrition and feed their kids coke from a baby bottle. Check the child's smile and see the rotting teeth. I know people whose breakfast is a sniff from a plastic bag full of glue.
Of course there are people who live on that type of food. You just don't live in their world so please don't tell me "Not one" as you have no idea of the poverty and poor nutrition due to lack of knowledge and money. You choose to ignore it but it exists and worst than you can possibly imagine. Do you think a druggie has a balance meal??
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OP, you're getting older. It happens. You can't eat as much when you're older as when you're younger if you don't up the activity a bit. Up your activity, weight train to preserve/increase muscle, and eat a little less.
Ignore the Paleo nonsense because it's complete nonsense. Your doctor gave you that list of foods because most of them generally have a high calorie, low nutrient profile. Except potatoes, which are a great source of potassium.
Paleo's nonsense. Sugar isn't the devil, and most people have psychosomatic hang-ups about food. Also, doctors like to take shortcuts when it comes to nutrition. It's a whole lot easier to say "avoid" rather than "moderate." Like all good elitists, docs tend to think that the rest of us are too dumb to figure out moderation.0 -
Sorry HotMamainWor, could you clarify which quote you are referring to.0
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I think the doctor is being lazy. Rather than taking the time to explain calorie deficit, he just listed a few of the foods that people generally eat too much of and called it a day. OP, you don't have to cut all those foods out of your diet. If there's nothing wrong with you medically, you've just been eating more than you realized. Start tracking your cals, figure out your TDEE, and eat at a deficit. Considering you don't have a history of excess weight and issues with food, etc., it shouldn't be too hard to get back to your old weight. Good luck.
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I'm guessing this was this doctor's suggestion of one way to lose weight.0
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So if you are "healthy as a horse" what was the doctors reason for having you cut out the foods you listed? I would understand him telling you to cut out certain foods if there was a medical reason for it but if there is not why can you not have them?
Things like this just go to show that most doctors, while being very knowledgeable of the human body when it comes to most illnesses, really have no clue about how the body works relating to fat loss or muscle gain.0 -
"A lot" of people? I have never in my life met one person whose entire diet is fast food, soda, coco pops, donuts, and lollies. Not one."Not one" - You need to check out druggies, the homeless, lots of teenagers and people on welfare and the next time you go shopping, have a look in people's trolleys and look around you and check out the size of half the population. They didn't get obese by eating meat and veggies. I know people who live on Mrs Mac's pies and nothing but junk and don't even know anything about nutrition and feed their kids coke from a baby bottle. Check the child's smile and see the rotting teeth. I know people whose breakfast is a sniff from a plastic bag full of glue.
Of course there are people who live on that type of food. You just don't live in their world so please don't tell me "Not one" as you have no idea of the poverty and poor nutrition due to lack of knowledge and money. You choose to ignore it but it exists and worst than you can possibly imagine. Do you think a druggie has a balance meal??
Oh, so you're one of those people who takes an extreme example and uses it to try and generalize about a whole population. I see.
Well, I know "druggies" that do, in fact, eat balanced meals. If I were you I guess I'd use that example to say "you're the wrongest ever!" But I know that personal anecdotal evidence and singular extreme experiences don't apply generally, so I won't.0
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