Grrrrr...visit to my doctor
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jeffpettis wrote: »So if you are "healthy as a horse" what was the doctors reason for having you cut out the foods you listed? I would understand him telling you to cut out certain foods if there was a medical reason for it but if there is not why can you not have them?
Things like this just go to show that most doctors, while being very knowledgeable of the human body when it comes to most illnesses, really have no clue about how the body works relating to fat loss or muscle gain.
Maybe the doctor meant "healthy as a prediabetic horse".
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To OP, my apologies for taking the thread of topic so I will endeavour to return to topic.
Perhaps your specialist is more concerned with preventing illness. I personally see no problem in what he suggested.0 -
Hello neighbor (I'm form DC). I think age has a lot to do with it. Starting in your mid-30s metabolism starts slowing down a bit mean you'll have to cut down on calories and start exercising more. Since your doctor said you were healthy, then I'd definitely concentrate on what types of food you are eating. Good luck.0
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[/quote] lol...you really have no clue, do you?[/quote]
Perhaps if you stopped laughing long enough you could explain it to me.
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For a lot of people it is 100% of their diet and then sugar is the devil. Too much can not be good for you. For me I get the headache from hell.
I certainly don't believe that sugar is 100% of the diet of many people. I've not met any such person, and I know lots of people, of quite a variety of socioeconomic backgrounds. (Granted, this could be the "no one I know voted for Nixon" fallacy, but in the absence of other evidence, I doubt it.)
Also, what does that have to do with the merits of the doctor's advice. We have no reason to believe that the OP ate only sugar or that the doctor even asked for details about the OP's diet.
Moreover, the doctor said to cut out all potatoes. I would also agree that eating a diet consisting solely of potatoes is not ideal, in that we have other options and all. However, how does that fact make it a bad thing to eat a roasted potato with dinner, which I do for both taste and nutrition reasons, and because it tends to make my cardio performance in the morning better. If a doctor just told me to stop eating potatoes because I want to lose 15 lbs without bothering to learn anything more about me, my diet, and my goals, or why I eat what I do, that seems like bad doctoring.
I happen to agree, to some extent, with your idea that food can be like medicine in that I think that eating well makes a big difference in how many people feel, etc. (I don't think dietary advice by a non expert ought to substitute for actual tests and so on, and clearly if one is focusing on dietary changes one should make the person in question understand and have a basic understanding of that person's diet and life, which we don't see here.) However, I think what that means has to do with positive changes--eating foods that are nutritious, etc. Not simply cutting out foods, especially foods that most people are fine with or even have positive reactions to.
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"A lot" of people? I have never in my life met one person whose entire diet is fast food, soda, coco pops, donuts, and lollies. Not one. [/quote]
"Not one" - You need to check out druggies, the homeless, lots of teenagers and people on welfare and the next time you go shopping, have a look in people's trolleys and look around you and check out the size of half the population. They didn't get obese by eating meat and veggies. I know people who live on Mrs Mac's pies and nothing but junk and don't even know anything about nutrition and feed their kids coke from a baby bottle. Check the child's smile and see the rotting teeth. I know people whose breakfast is a sniff from a plastic bag full of glue.
Of course there are people who live on that type of food. You just don't live in their world so please don't tell me "Not one" as you have no idea of the poverty and poor nutrition due to lack of knowledge and money. You choose to ignore it but it exists and worst than you can possibly imagine. Do you think a druggie has a balance meal??
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I believe that is called an unscientific observational study….
if someone is a "druggie" they have more pressing concerns then what they are eating…and that is a pretty extreme example...0 -
I wish I didn't have a thyroid condition. the pill is not a magic tablet that makes one lose weight. what it does is make it so you can get out of bed in the morning without feeling you're dragging a 50lb lead weight around on your eyelids.
15 lbs gain (when we get older) - well, it happens. Our body doesn't work as efficiently as we get above 40 ... So, now your doctor is really wise to tell you to start taking control of it instead of waiting until you find another 20 or 30 lbs sneak up on you.
Low carb diets are easier than calorie restriction. I gave up eating grains a month ago and most of the cravings for sugar dissipate after a week. one can not say the same when you put yourself on a strict 1500 calorie diet, eating grains and other processed foods, and just not desserts... the way carbohydrates work is they process down to sugars in our body, so the more carbs, the more we will crave even more of them, and desserts too... however, if you cut the grains out of your diet, and monitor how many fruits you eat - it goes a long way to combat those cravings and eventually you learn control.
I've been grain free for 36 days, and I feel good. And, I feel like I have control now where I never did before. I can eat the occasional peice of chocolate and know what my limits are. That in itself is the best freedom in the world for me, because 2 months ago - I was following the counting calories way - and it just wasn't working. I found it too easy then to make excuses on opening and finishing a bag of chips, a pint of ice-cream, or a quarter of a pie as my salt and sugar cravings had more control of my food log than I did.
Your doctor gave good advice, but research it for yourself and you get to decide whether you want to follow it.
Either way, Good luck.
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So I had always been within the same 10 lb weight range for years and then I suddenly gained 15 lbs seemingly overnight...even though it was probably over a few months. I had not changed my eating habits at all so I was curious about what was going on. My blood work from my physical revealed low hormones so I set up an appointment with an Endocrinologist just to make sure something funky wasn't going on with my hormones. Well, he just told me that I'm "healthy as a horse" and nothing is wrong with hormones/thyroid. He wrote down a list of foods for me to cut out of my diet which are as follows: bread, rice, pasta, potatoes, chocolate, honey, sugar, peas, corn, and alcohol. Is it wrong of me to actually be disappointed that something wasn't wrong that caused the weight gain??...because now it means I REALLY have to tighten up my diet instead of simply taking a pill to "fix" what was wrong...I guess the truth hurts......
I could have written this. I gained weight at a rapid pace so I was sent for blood work. I was certain there was something wrong with my thyroid or my hormones. The results came back and were exactly where they should be. I was so disappointed there was no medical reason for my weight gain. I think the endo doctor's suggestion of not eating certain foods is his way of telling you that you've gotten fat from what you are eating.
Over the course of a few years I gained 40 pounds. That is a ton of weight for someone who weighed 125 pounds her entire adult life. I needed to diet and had no real clue on how to do it. I skipped breakfast and had smoothies for lunch and ate whatever meal I cooked for dinner. I stepped on the scale daily, and was so excited to see I lost a pound! That excitement stopped when I stepped on the scale the next day and had gained 1.5 pounds.
I have been using MFP for a few years just to record my weight. Earlier this year, I had gone to the doctor once again complaining about my inability to lose any weight. I took a binder that I had been using to track what I ate and how much I gained or lost from the previous day. She said it was good to track everything but what is missing was how many calories, sugar, fat, etc. was in the food I was eating. She suggested using MFP to track my food. The doctor said to eat 1200 calories a day and that I would lose weight. I started tracking, and quickly discovered that I was only eating around 600 calories per day. As soon as I started eating more the weight started coming off.
This was the long way of asking you if you are eating enough in the course of a day.0 -
Protein also provides the body with essential amino acids and satiation. Only 42% of protein COULD be turned into glycogen via glucogenesis. Yes insulin is spiked there is no where near as much pressure on the GI tract as there is when you eat carbs. Carbs are also very inflammatory on your body.Sounds like you have found a good doctor who is recommending healthy, nutritious natural food which is unprocessed. The doctor also isn't just giving you a pill which might cure you by covering the symptoms but giving you side effects which damage something else in your body. Give it a go see how you feel. I reckon you will lose weight and have a lot more energy if you follow his advice correctly. Eating fats and proteins makes you feel full which is the reason why you lose weight. You eat less you are never ravenously hungry. Control your insulin spikes and you will make your body regulate when to eat.
protein spikes insulin too ..should that be avoided?
so you should eat zero carbs then?????????
I would be curious to review some peer review literature on the "carbs are inflammatory" statement…
also, OP will lose weight by just eating in a deficit. Eliminating whole food groups has nothing to do with it...
Not zero carbs, but carbs only coming from non starchy vegetable sources. I eat 8-10 serves of vegetables, more than most on high carb eating plans. They provide the micronutrients I need to be healthy. Starchy carbs, bread, pasta and rice provide zero nutritional benefit apart from a short supply of energy and a cost efficient calorie source. There is no such thing as an essential carb. But the body needs essential amino acids from protein and essential fatty acids to transport nutrients and repair cells.
As for a study on inflammation this was published a few months ago.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140508095415.htm
Whilst this is is an opinionated webpage, check the references it cites for more reading.
http://www.cavemandoctor.com/2012/03/27/inflammation-which-foods-take-the-blame/
that is a study on people with diabetes….people with medical conditions - like diabetes - probably should avoid high levels of carbs…
I am talking about people with no medical condition…do you happen to have a study on non-diabetes people?
and the second site link is to a paleo site….don't you think they might be slightly biased?????0 -
I believe that is called an unscientific observational study….
if someone is a "druggie" they have more pressing concerns then what they are eating…and that is a pretty extreme example...
I've seen druggies healed and I have nursed them through withdrawals using juices made mostly from vegetables. Good nutrition is the best place to start on their road to recovery. Other issues can be dealt with after that.
But obviously it was all just a "unscientific observational study"
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I'm just gunna ignore most of the comments on here but I would like to point out that my mother has had some health issues recently that she's been trying to get diagnosed. She also gained about 30lbs since first being diagnosed with an auto immune disorder.
Recently she was referred to an endochrinologist to see if he could figure it out. The answer was no, because she had nothing wrong with her that an endochrinologist handles. He didn't comment on her weight, because it wasn't his field of study.
She gained the weight because her workout habits stopped when she got sick, but she still ate as much as she was before. None of her drs try to tell her what to eat or how in order to lose weight, because it isn't their field. They ask if she's aware of the weight gain and she says yes, and she's actually losing now, and they say good job and leave it at that.
Doctors can know a lot. But if you're dealing with a specialist, they likely only know so much as their field pertains to. Plus, it's impossible to know everything, they're constantly doing new research and whatnot.
Just my two cents. I wouldn't ask an endochrinologist for weight loss advice anymore than I'd ask my gyno about a sinus infection. Unless, of course, I had an actual medical issue that an endochrinologist treats. Even then, I'd want them to focus on the issue, not the symptoms themselves (overeating in general..)0 -
shadowofender wrote: »I'm just gunna ignore most of the comments on here quote]
Wise girl.
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shadowofender wrote: »Just my two cents. I wouldn't ask an endochrinologist for weight loss advice anymore than I'd ask my gyno about a sinus infection.
Endocrinology includes metabolic disorders, though. I think a large portion of their practice is patients battling weight issues.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »shadowofender wrote: »Just my two cents. I wouldn't ask an endochrinologist for weight loss advice anymore than I'd ask my gyno about a sinus infection.
Endocrinology includes metabolic disorders, though. I think a large portion of their practice is patients battling weight issues.
AH see, shows what I know haha. I was under the impression it was a different field of study. Thanks for the info.
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HotMamaInWorks2 wrote: »"A lot" of people? I have never in my life met one person whose entire diet is fast food, soda, coco pops, donuts, and lollies. Not one.
"Not one" - You need to check out druggies, the homeless, lots of teenagers and people on welfare and the next time you go shopping, have a look in people's trolleys and look around you and check out the size of half the population. They didn't get obese by eating meat and veggies. I know people who live on Mrs Mac's pies and nothing but junk and don't even know anything about nutrition and feed their kids coke from a baby bottle. Check the child's smile and see the rotting teeth. I know people whose breakfast is a sniff from a plastic bag full of glue.
Of course there are people who live on that type of food. You just don't live in their world so please don't tell me "Not one" as you have no idea of the poverty and poor nutrition due to lack of knowledge and money. You choose to ignore it but it exists and worst than you can possibly imagine. Do you think a druggie has a balance meal??
Boy...you made me laugh this morning when I read this. You really need to open your eyes and stop making assumptions where you have no idea what's going on.
Your statement that about not getting obese by eating meats and vegetables made me laugh. I got fat on eating meats and vegetables, and if I can do it anyone can.
So you know people whose diet is filled with sugar and fast food and who sniff glue (zero calories
Really, mentioning glue in this equation has no place), but do your think that's really all they ever eat? Are you observing their dietary habits every single minute of the day? Are you writing down what they eat? I ask because your statements are generalized.
Actually, type of food has zero to do with weight loss or gain, it's calories in and out.
So....I'll betcha those people who are eating sugar and fast food all day and who are fat are eating more calories than they burn. If they ate less of it to where they were in a calorie deficit, they would lose weight.
Calories in/calories out.
I think I might agree with whomever said the doctor's suggestion to cut certain foods might be because those foods are generally higher in calories.
It does take awhile to get used to portion control.
ETA: Shoot, HotMamaInWorks2 deactivated.
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if your eating habits haven't changed then the explanation is probably that you're less active than you were before. Rather than cutting foods out, it'd be better to eat the same as you did before, but be more active... do some kind of active hobby or exercise class or something, plus do stuff like taking the lift instead of the stairs, walking more places and using the car/bus less, etc.0
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lol...you really have no clue, do you?[/quote]
Perhaps if you stopped laughing long enough you could explain it to me.
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Best of luck.
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came back to see how this thread progressed. funny stuff. i wish OP would come back and provide an explanation from her doctor on why cutting these foods is necessary.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »shadowofender wrote: »Just my two cents. I wouldn't ask an endochrinologist for weight loss advice anymore than I'd ask my gyno about a sinus infection.
Endocrinology includes metabolic disorders, though. I think a large portion of their practice is patients battling weight issues.
Right, but if the endocrinologist told OP that there wasn't anything metabolically wrong with her, then it's back to not his/her field.
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