Getting discouraged. Lean bulk or cut? What should I do?
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »
Damn, you're right. Note to self, hang mirror in kitchen for selfies LOLJeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
I think you missed my point. With a higher bf %, especially in the midsection, I wouldn't be surprised if he got discouraged in 2 months because he was looking "fat."
Okay so being discouraged by a 2 month cut = okay. But predicting a 2 month bulk discouragement = OMG!
You don't even make sense. Seriously.
I don't think you understand. He is ALREADY discouraged by a 2 month cut. Maybe a 2-3 lean bulk is what he needs? So what if he gets discouraged in 2-3 months. 8-12 weeks isn't the worst bulk schedule is it?
I fail to believe he's going to make noticeable muscle gains in 2 months!
pffft...says you.
I see 20 lbs, of LBM myself. Can you say GAINZZZZZ?!?!?!
That's only because you're on the juice
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »
Damn, you're right. Note to self, hang mirror in kitchen for selfies LOLJeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
I think you missed my point. With a higher bf %, especially in the midsection, I wouldn't be surprised if he got discouraged in 2 months because he was looking "fat."
Okay so being discouraged by a 2 month cut = okay. But predicting a 2 month bulk discouragement = OMG!
You don't even make sense. Seriously.
I don't think you understand. He is ALREADY discouraged by a 2 month cut. Maybe a 2-3 lean bulk is what he needs? So what if he gets discouraged in 2-3 months. 8-12 weeks isn't the worst bulk schedule is it?
I fail to believe he's going to make noticeable muscle gains in 2 months!
That's why I said 2-3 months. Not the ideal schedule but what is the alternative?0 -
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »
Damn, you're right. Note to self, hang mirror in kitchen for selfies LOLJeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
I think you missed my point. With a higher bf %, especially in the midsection, I wouldn't be surprised if he got discouraged in 2 months because he was looking "fat."
Okay so being discouraged by a 2 month cut = okay. But predicting a 2 month bulk discouragement = OMG!
You don't even make sense. Seriously.
I don't think you understand. He is ALREADY discouraged by a 2 month cut. Maybe a 2-3 lean bulk is what he needs? So what if he gets discouraged in 2-3 months. 8-12 weeks isn't the worst bulk schedule is it?
I fail to believe he's going to make noticeable muscle gains in 2 months!
That's why I said 2-3 months. Not the ideal schedule but what is the alternative?
What do you think he'll gain in 3 months?0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »
Damn, you're right. Note to self, hang mirror in kitchen for selfies LOLJeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
I think you missed my point. With a higher bf %, especially in the midsection, I wouldn't be surprised if he got discouraged in 2 months because he was looking "fat."
Okay so being discouraged by a 2 month cut = okay. But predicting a 2 month bulk discouragement = OMG!
You don't even make sense. Seriously.
I don't think you understand. He is ALREADY discouraged by a 2 month cut. Maybe a 2-3 lean bulk is what he needs? So what if he gets discouraged in 2-3 months. 8-12 weeks isn't the worst bulk schedule is it?
I fail to believe he's going to make noticeable muscle gains in 2 months!
That's why I said 2-3 months. Not the ideal schedule but what is the alternative?
What do you think he'll gain in 3 months?
More than he would lose via another 2 month cut? If he's already on the fence with his current cut, how much do you think he can continue to lose? VS switching to a bulk and changing the goal to gain LBM?0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »
Damn, you're right. Note to self, hang mirror in kitchen for selfies LOLJeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
I think you missed my point. With a higher bf %, especially in the midsection, I wouldn't be surprised if he got discouraged in 2 months because he was looking "fat."
Okay so being discouraged by a 2 month cut = okay. But predicting a 2 month bulk discouragement = OMG!
You don't even make sense. Seriously.
I don't think you understand. He is ALREADY discouraged by a 2 month cut. Maybe a 2-3 lean bulk is what he needs? So what if he gets discouraged in 2-3 months. 8-12 weeks isn't the worst bulk schedule is it?
I fail to believe he's going to make noticeable muscle gains in 2 months!
That's why I said 2-3 months. Not the ideal schedule but what is the alternative?
What do you think he'll gain in 3 months?
My guess? Maybe 2 more lbs than after two months HAHAHAHA. This is getting ridiculous.0 -
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
Then he should stop and go sit his @$$ on the couch
Hell I am getting discouraged trying to put on weight....but I have a goal in mind, so I am gonna stick it out....
Everyone has to put on their big girl panties at some point
Or maybe he's mind isn't some fragile flower and he could handle a slightly higher BF% if he can gain some size like he's been hinting. All depends on what is more important to him.
LOL
So he said he is on a cut....
So then he should cut and suck it up....Good Lord....don't tell him to bulk if he is wanting to cut
He said he was on a cut and discouraged. Some results but not what he wanted. Either way he's discouraged. At the same time, he's not happy with the size of his arms or his lift numbers apparently. Hinting at the possibility of going off the cut and doing something OTHER than cutting.
Well F**K, we all get discouraged....it's a mind game...
You still have to suck it up.
He has a goal, he set the goal, now he needs to see it through....
Learn in the process and at the end he can say "I did it, and now I know and understand more."0 -
Well, cut to single digits one time and you will understand what people mean when they say getting lower BF is harder. But down to 10% is not that difficult.0
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
Then he should stop and go sit his @$$ on the couch
Hell I am getting discouraged trying to put on weight....but I have a goal in mind, so I am gonna stick it out....
Everyone has to put on their big girl panties at some point
Or maybe he's mind isn't some fragile flower and he could handle a slightly higher BF% if he can gain some size like he's been hinting. All depends on what is more important to him.
LOL
So he said he is on a cut....
So then he should cut and suck it up....Good Lord....don't tell him to bulk if he is wanting to cut
He said he was on a cut and discouraged. Some results but not what he wanted. Either way he's discouraged. At the same time, he's not happy with the size of his arms or his lift numbers apparently. Hinting at the possibility of going off the cut and doing something OTHER than cutting.
Well F**K, we all get discouraged....it's a mind game...
You still have to suck it up.
He has a goal, he set the goal, now he needs to see it through....
Learn in the process and at the end he can say "I did it, and now I know and understand more."
Exactly. But some here were saying he might get discouraged if he went on a bulk and got up to a 20% BF. Like you say, it's a mind game. If he can handle it, he can go either way. Cut now and bulk later. Or go to bulk now and cut later. His decision. In his original post, he actually asks if a bulk now would be the better way. No one is actually examining that option for him other than to say "keep cutting"0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
Then he should stop and go sit his @$$ on the couch
Hell I am getting discouraged trying to put on weight....but I have a goal in mind, so I am gonna stick it out....
Everyone has to put on their big girl panties at some point
Or maybe he's mind isn't some fragile flower and he could handle a slightly higher BF% if he can gain some size like he's been hinting. All depends on what is more important to him.
LOL
So he said he is on a cut....
So then he should cut and suck it up....Good Lord....don't tell him to bulk if he is wanting to cut
He said he was on a cut and discouraged. Some results but not what he wanted. Either way he's discouraged. At the same time, he's not happy with the size of his arms or his lift numbers apparently. Hinting at the possibility of going off the cut and doing something OTHER than cutting.
Well F**K, we all get discouraged....it's a mind game...
You still have to suck it up.
He has a goal, he set the goal, now he needs to see it through....
Learn in the process and at the end he can say "I did it, and now I know and understand more."
Exactly. But some here were saying he might get discouraged if he went on a bulk and got up to a 20% BF. Like you say, it's a mind game. If he can handle it, he can go either way. Cut now and bulk later. Or go to bulk now and cut later. His decision. In his original post, he actually asks if a bulk now would be the better way. No one is actually examining that option for him other than to say "keep cutting"
This thread is starting to look oddly familiar...0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
Then he should stop and go sit his @$$ on the couch
Hell I am getting discouraged trying to put on weight....but I have a goal in mind, so I am gonna stick it out....
Everyone has to put on their big girl panties at some point
Or maybe he's mind isn't some fragile flower and he could handle a slightly higher BF% if he can gain some size like he's been hinting. All depends on what is more important to him.
LOL
So he said he is on a cut....
So then he should cut and suck it up....Good Lord....don't tell him to bulk if he is wanting to cut
He said he was on a cut and discouraged. Some results but not what he wanted. Either way he's discouraged. At the same time, he's not happy with the size of his arms or his lift numbers apparently. Hinting at the possibility of going off the cut and doing something OTHER than cutting.
Well F**K, we all get discouraged....it's a mind game...
You still have to suck it up.
He has a goal, he set the goal, now he needs to see it through....
Learn in the process and at the end he can say "I did it, and now I know and understand more."
Exactly. But some here were saying he might get discouraged if he went on a bulk and got up to a 20% BF. Like you say, it's a mind game. If he can handle it, he can go either way. Cut now and bulk later. Or go to bulk now and cut later. His decision. In his original post, he actually asks if a bulk now would be the better way. No one is actually examining that option for him other than to say "keep cutting"
Dude, this is the second thread you have posted in, where you are doing/saying the same crap. Just stop. Please.
This guy looking at where he is at, I will tell you now, like others have said. A bulk right now is not what is needed....along with the fact he is only 2 months into his cut.
So I and others were very clear, we examined the provided info and pictures...and our conclusion is right.
Now if he don't like our advice/opinion, then he should not post.
But plain and simple HE SHOULD CONTINUE HIS CUT0 -
Hi everyone
I am 6'2, 188 lbs. I have been on a "cut" for a few months now. My mind is slowing losing steam and I don't really know what else to do. My lifts aren't specacular by any means, I have more fat around my abs than I'd like (i believe I'm around 15% bf). My arms are a measly 14" flexed cold. I'm beginning to hate my body and feel like there's nothing I can do.
As I've leaned out I do feel like I can see a tiny bit more definition, which makes me want to continue to my goal of about 12% bf before I hit a long lean bulk. However, my arms are so small, and I don't know if judging by the photos if you can tell if Id look decent with a little more fat off me? Or if there's just not enough lbm there. My instincts tell me to bulk just because I have been skinny and frail m whole life. I gained weight in a bulk over the past few years but not nearly enough that I'm satisfied with. I always was too pudgy for my liking in my stomach and legs (where I seem to hold most of my weight).
Thanks and please let me know what you think. Smarter to lean out now and then bulk? Or will a lean bulk displace my bf % in my favor?
Two choices asked of others
1) Smarter to lean out now and then bulk?
2) Or will a lean bulk displace my bf % in my favor?
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
He's already discouraged with the recent 2 month cut. So I'm not sure how much longer he can cut like everyone is suggesting.
Then he should stop and go sit his @$$ on the couch
Hell I am getting discouraged trying to put on weight....but I have a goal in mind, so I am gonna stick it out....
Everyone has to put on their big girl panties at some point
Or maybe he's mind isn't some fragile flower and he could handle a slightly higher BF% if he can gain some size like he's been hinting. All depends on what is more important to him.
LOL
So he said he is on a cut....
So then he should cut and suck it up....Good Lord....don't tell him to bulk if he is wanting to cut
He said he was on a cut and discouraged. Some results but not what he wanted. Either way he's discouraged. At the same time, he's not happy with the size of his arms or his lift numbers apparently. Hinting at the possibility of going off the cut and doing something OTHER than cutting.
Well F**K, we all get discouraged....it's a mind game...
You still have to suck it up.
He has a goal, he set the goal, now he needs to see it through....
Learn in the process and at the end he can say "I did it, and now I know and understand more."
Exactly. But some here were saying he might get discouraged if he went on a bulk and got up to a 20% BF. Like you say, it's a mind game. If he can handle it, he can go either way. Cut now and bulk later. Or go to bulk now and cut later. His decision. In his original post, he actually asks if a bulk now would be the better way. No one is actually examining that option for him other than to say "keep cutting"
This thread is starting to look oddly familiar...
Yes it is.
SMH!!
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JeffseekingV wrote: »Hi everyone
I am 6'2, 188 lbs. I have been on a "cut" for a few months now. My mind is slowing losing steam and I don't really know what else to do. My lifts aren't specacular by any means, I have more fat around my abs than I'd like (i believe I'm around 15% bf). My arms are a measly 14" flexed cold. I'm beginning to hate my body and feel like there's nothing I can do.
As I've leaned out I do feel like I can see a tiny bit more definition, which makes me want to continue to my goal of about 12% bf before I hit a long lean bulk. However, my arms are so small, and I don't know if judging by the photos if you can tell if Id look decent with a little more fat off me? Or if there's just not enough lbm there. My instincts tell me to bulk just because I have been skinny and frail m whole life. I gained weight in a bulk over the past few years but not nearly enough that I'm satisfied with. I always was too pudgy for my liking in my stomach and legs (where I seem to hold most of my weight).
Thanks and please let me know what you think. Smarter to lean out now and then bulk? Or will a lean bulk displace my bf % in my favor?
Two choices asked of others
1) Smarter to lean out now and then bulk?
2) Or will a lean bulk displace my bf % in my favor?
F**K me....
Just stop, don't do this thread like you did the other one.
He is not in a position to bulk.0 -
I'm curious to know why he can't do option 2) Is that essentially impossible?0
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Because if OP is already frustrated at 2 months in on a cut, he is gonna be even more doing option 2.
Option 2 is a body recomp, and it takes a long time....think 10 - 12 months.
So again, please stop
Go back to the other thread where you started suggesting this and keep posting there, don't junk up this one0 -
Because if OP is already frustrated at 2 months in on a cut, he is gonna be even more doing option 2.
Option 2 is a body recomp, and it takes a long time....think 10 - 12 months.
So again, please stop
Go back to the other thread where you started suggesting this and keep posting there, don't junk up this one
Seriously! I mentioned body recomp as one of the first responses to this thread and the OP said he didn't want to do that. My conclusion: cut a bit more, then bulk. Why do we keep banging our heads here?!0 -
Because if OP is already frustrated at 2 months in on a cut, he is gonna be even more doing option 2.
Option 2 is a body recomp, and it takes a long time....think 10 - 12 months.
So again, please stop
Go back to the other thread where you started suggesting this and keep posting there, don't junk up this one
Did you tell him that a recomp is a 10-12 month thing?0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »Because if OP is already frustrated at 2 months in on a cut, he is gonna be even more doing option 2.
Option 2 is a body recomp, and it takes a long time....think 10 - 12 months.
So again, please stop
Go back to the other thread where you started suggesting this and keep posting there, don't junk up this one
Did you tell him that a recomp is a 10-12 month thing?
See first response to this thread. And then the OP's response.0 -
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I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking is it easier for me to lose weight than it is for another person to lose weight?
Ah, better wording:
Is it harder to go from say 15% body fat to 10% vs going from 25% body fat to 15%? And why? And what does one need to do differently?
I ask because people are always saying it takes so much commitment to get to a lower body fat. They never say what is so different about it vs just losing fat in general.
Well, change those to women's equivalent and I've done it all.
The difference is lean mass retention is slightly harder at the leaner end. Other than that they both require accuracy. You might be able to get away with sloppier logging at the higher percent because you have a higher TDEE and more room for error. When you get leaner you have to prioritize strength training and protein consumption to retain the lean mass (retaining lean mass is easier than building it).
That's the difference. Lean mass retention and accuracy.
ETA: If you've been strict dieting then some metabolic adaptations do happen. Knowing your body and when to use refeeds versus glycogen depletion is important.0 -
Because if OP is already frustrated at 2 months in on a cut, he is gonna be even more doing option 2.
Option 2 is a body recomp, and it takes a long time....think 10 - 12 months.
So again, please stop
Go back to the other thread where you started suggesting this and keep posting there, don't junk up this one
Seriously! I mentioned body recomp as one of the first responses to this thread and the OP said he didn't want to do that. My conclusion: cut a bit more, then bulk. Why do we keep banging our heads here?!
Recomp. That's what I want. Can I do that at 15%?
Yes, you can. Just know that it's like watching grass grow. Very, very slow progress. And you have to be super strict with your calories.0 -
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Because if OP is already frustrated at 2 months in on a cut, he is gonna be even more doing option 2.
Option 2 is a body recomp, and it takes a long time....think 10 - 12 months.
So again, please stop
Go back to the other thread where you started suggesting this and keep posting there, don't junk up this one
Seriously! I mentioned body recomp as one of the first responses to this thread and the OP said he didn't want to do that. My conclusion: cut a bit more, then bulk. Why do we keep banging our heads here?!
Recomp. That's what I want. Can I do that at 15%?
Yes, you can. Just know that it's like watching grass grow. Very, very slow progress. And you have to be super strict with your calories.
Like losing weight isn't? Every week I lift. Do the numbers go up? Barely. Then a wall. No progress. Zero. Oh, so at least I'm dropping a million pounds right? Nope. .75lbs. 1lb. .5lbs. 0lbs. Gain 1lb. Lose 1lb.
I hear that. Honestly, if those are what your numbers look like, you're probably eating very close to your maintenance right now. Are you tracking your measurements as well?0 -
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Because if OP is already frustrated at 2 months in on a cut, he is gonna be even more doing option 2.
Option 2 is a body recomp, and it takes a long time....think 10 - 12 months.
So again, please stop
Go back to the other thread where you started suggesting this and keep posting there, don't junk up this one
Seriously! I mentioned body recomp as one of the first responses to this thread and the OP said he didn't want to do that. My conclusion: cut a bit more, then bulk. Why do we keep banging our heads here?!
Recomp. That's what I want. Can I do that at 15%?
Yes, you can. Just know that it's like watching grass grow. Very, very slow progress. And you have to be super strict with your calories.
Like losing weight isn't? Every week I lift. Do the numbers go up? Barely. Then a wall. No progress. Zero. Oh, so at least I'm dropping a million pounds right? Nope. .75lbs. 1lb. .5lbs. 0lbs. Gain 1lb. Lose 1lb.
Recomp is worse. You'll go up and down in a small range and see almost nothing in the mirror or on tape measure.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Well he stated he has been cutting for 2 months and is discouraged already.
Well, ya either get discouraged getting too skinny or get discouraged getting to fluffy. Choice is up to the OP.
Basically... welcome to the dance
LOL
Yes, this is exactly the dance we dance in this messed up activity.Totally unrelated, I'm curious why there's a big mirror across from the oven/microwave LOL
Lol it's the bathroom right off my kitchen. I'm combing through all the comments now (on my phone). Will respond shortly. Thank you for everyone's input!!! I really appreciate it0 -
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LolBroScience wrote: »Personally, I would continue with a cut and focus on a strength based program. When you get down to a desirable level reverse it into a lean bulk and control calories more closely.
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I'm in the same boat as you OP (except I have slightly more lean muscle mass than you). I'm cutting until my abs are completely visible (if it takes several months, OH WELL, I'm not stopping this cut until then; my goal, however, is to have abs completely visible by end of March 2015); then I'm lean bulking until I look like Kratos or a similar/equivalent) - maintaining it until I die...
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