If eating trash makes us sick, why do we keep eating it?
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Well there goes my sanity status as I will try to watch it tonight if it is still available. Difficult to comment on something I haven't seen.
Not actually. If someone is espousing a position as an expert, but lacks expertise and credibility, you know it's a waste of time and will be a bull puckey tour du force.
Just like I don't go to politicians for my science knowledge.0 -
dbmata, how do you dismiss something as "bull pucky" without even seeing it? How do you dismiss people saying they lack expertise and credibility without knowing the calibre of the people involved or even who they are?
The trailer states, "Four years, 19 countries, and 24 experts in anthropology, medicine, ecology, and health ............"
Are they all idiots - I don't believe so. I still haven't seen it but I plan to keep an open mind until I do.0 -
dbmata, how do you dismiss something as "bull pucky" without even seeing it? How do you dismiss people saying they lack expertise and credibility without knowing the calibre of the people involved or even who they are?
The trailer states, "Four years, 19 countries, and 24 experts in anthropology, medicine, ecology, and health ............"
Are they all idiots - I don't believe so. I still haven't seen it but I plan to keep an open mind until I do.
I had a read of the type of people involved in well.org, and the producer's bio, and some of his claims, particularly on topics I know very well, and I knew it was a vanity project full of pseudoscience, peppered with just enough actual science to mislead the unwary.0 -
Well there goes my sanity status as I will try to watch it tonight if it is still available. Difficult to comment on something I haven't seen.
Not actually. If someone is espousing a position as an expert, but lacks expertise and credibility, you know it's a waste of time and will be a bull puckey tour du force.
Just like I don't go to politicians for my science knowledge.
And this ^^^^
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Charlotte, I love all this "save the planet" stuff. Stop pollution, overuse of chemicals, toxins making us sick etc etc etc. Great believer in acupuncture, meditation, yoga, food is our medicine, back to nature - bit of a leftover from the hippy era really so I love reading Well org. and sites like that.
We are all different, and I believe, entitled to our opinions and beliefs, it is what makes the world an interesting and better place.0 -
Charlotte, I love all this "save the planet" stuff. Stop pollution, overuse of chemicals, toxins making us sick etc etc etc. Great believer in acupuncture, meditation, yoga, food is our medicine, back to nature - bit of a leftover from the hippy era really so I love reading Well org. and sites like that.
We are all different, and I believe, entitled to our opinions and beliefs, it is what makes the world an interesting and better place.
So you've crossed the woo-becon. Nuff said.
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Charlotte, I love all this "save the planet" stuff. Stop pollution, overuse of chemicals, toxins making us sick etc etc etc. Great believer in acupuncture, meditation, yoga, food is our medicine, back to nature - bit of a leftover from the hippy era really so I love reading Well org. and sites like that.
We are all different, and I believe, entitled to our opinions and beliefs, it is what makes the world an interesting and better place.
That's fair enough Leena. You did say earlier that you don't care for the opinion of scientists or dietitians, which sounds to me like you are particularly anti-science, and not interested in a balanced view. You are suggesting that we keep open-minded when it seems that you are not prepared to do the same yourself.
That's how it seems to me anyway...
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Personally I think it's a mixture of reasons...
1. Short term effects - sugar spike
2. Taste Buds
3. Media/Community/Acceptance
Of course the short term effect is a sugar spike and our bodies are designed to crave that when they think we are in need of it... especially when we haven't eaten enough and are in need of general energy boost - our bodies react thinking of the short term in this situation.
Taste buds... well, how many people don't like cake? Or some form of sweet?... then again aren't there some super sweet tasting berries out there... why aren't those as yummy to everyone?
The third option is what I conclude to as the reason for my personal craving of sugar. (note: This is my opinion and based on me, not science!) I recently wrote a post in my blog about this and how society thinks sweet is a good choice, which you are welcome to read. But in all, I was fed a hella lot of sweets when I was young. I was brought up with Cadbury's chocolate as a well done, feel better and a nice snack... thus (what I believe) creating my lifelong craving for sugar as a comfort food and go-to for emotional eating. Aside from that, after cutting out Cadbury's for a while, I recently tried some and discovered I don't actually like the taste! I do still like some chocolate so I can't say it's that. My only conclusion is that the comfort of the memories and conditioning of my brain made it nice!
Well... that's my take on it. It helped me to learn this about myself, maybe someone else has a similar experience or another person can read this and relate... xxx0 -
Charlotte, I love all this "save the planet" stuff. Stop pollution, overuse of chemicals, toxins making us sick etc etc etc. Great believer in acupuncture, meditation, yoga, food is our medicine, back to nature - bit of a leftover from the hippy era really so I love reading Well org. and sites like that.
We are all different, and I believe, entitled to our opinions and beliefs, it is what makes the world an interesting and better place.
It's a project designed to mislead the easily lead.
Sorry.0 -
^^^^ and this.Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »Charlotte, I love all this "save the planet" stuff. Stop pollution, overuse of chemicals, toxins making us sick etc etc etc. Great believer in acupuncture, meditation, yoga, food is our medicine, back to nature - bit of a leftover from the hippy era really so I love reading Well org. and sites like that.
We are all different, and I believe, entitled to our opinions and beliefs, it is what makes the world an interesting and better place.
That's fair enough Leena. You did say earlier that you don't care for the opinion of scientists or dietitians, which sounds to me like you are particularly anti-science, and not interested in a balanced view. You are suggesting that we keep open-minded when it seems that you are not prepared to do the same yourself.
That's how it seems to me anyway...
My previous comment stands, stuff like this is for the people who have replaced knowledge with belief.
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Instead of focusing on what you eat, focus on how much. I see from your profile you are recently married and have 92 pounds to lose. Is it fair to your family to choose to have a shorter life expectancy because of your weight? Of course not! If you won't count calories for yourself then do it for them.
Its okay if you consume some fast food and candy as long as you hit your calorie and macro targets.0 -
Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »Charlotte, I love all this "save the planet" stuff. Stop pollution, overuse of chemicals, toxins making us sick etc etc etc. Great believer in acupuncture, meditation, yoga, food is our medicine, back to nature - bit of a leftover from the hippy era really so I love reading Well org. and sites like that.
We are all different, and I believe, entitled to our opinions and beliefs, it is what makes the world an interesting and better place.
That's fair enough Leena. You did say earlier that you don't care for the opinion of scientists or dietitians, which sounds to me like you are particularly anti-science, and not interested in a balanced view. You are suggesting that we keep open-minded when it seems that you are not prepared to do the same yourself.
That's how it seems to me anyway...
Did I really say that, oops can't remember but I will try to have a balanced view in the future. Pull me up if you think I am becoming narrow minded. I don't think I am anti-science as scientist have been responsible for too many amazing things in the past.
Thanks to those who are trying to bring the thread back to topic. 0 -
GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »Sodium bicarbonate is used in a process for removing paint and corrosion called sodablasting; the process is particularly suitable for cleaning aluminium panels which can be distorted by other types of abrasive. It can be administered to pools, spas, and garden ponds to raise pH levels.[11] It has weak disinfectant properties,[12][13] and it may be an effective fungicide against some organisms.[14] Because baking soda will absorb musty smells, it has become a reliable method for used-book sellers when making books less malodorous.[15]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_bicarbonate
1. I clearly gave up on this thread too soon. This is pure forum gold.
2. Are the remaining 18 pages yet unread filled with similar nuggets? If so...
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »Sodium bicarbonate is used in a process for removing paint and corrosion called sodablasting; the process is particularly suitable for cleaning aluminium panels which can be distorted by other types of abrasive. It can be administered to pools, spas, and garden ponds to raise pH levels.[11] It has weak disinfectant properties,[12][13] and it may be an effective fungicide against some organisms.[14] Because baking soda will absorb musty smells, it has become a reliable method for used-book sellers when making books less malodorous.[15]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_bicarbonate
1. I clearly gave up on this thread too soon. This is pure forum gold.
2. Are the remaining 18 pages yet unread filled with similar nuggets? If so...
It did get a little boring for the last 8 or so pages but yes the section where we learned baking soda is toxic was classic...
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Make healthier version of the junkie crap food you enjoy. Make a home made big mac with lean meat and whole grain bun for example.0
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If you make a burger with lean beef, you're still getting some fat, plus you're most likely going to add more fat when you cook it. Also, whole grain bread (especially if it's made from sprouted flour or sourdough) has more micro nutrients.0
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I just want everyone to know.
I ate some sodium bicarbonate. I just received my last rites.
Will I get better?0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »If you make a burger with lean beef, you're still getting some fat, plus you're most likely going to add more fat when you cook it. Also, whole grain bread (especially if it's made from sprouted flour or sourdough) has more micro nutrients.
So lean beef is healthier because it has some fat and I'll probably add more fat when I cook it? That doesn't make any sense at all.
Which micro nutrients am I getting from whole grain bread (or sourdough) that I'm not getting from...less-than-whole grain bread? Are these micro nutrients in which I am deficient? (If not, do I get extra healthy credit for exceeding a certain amount of micro nutrients beyond what is necessary for optimal health?)0 -
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For people that are trying to lower saturated fat consumption, going for a leaner cut of beef and cooking with plant based oil would do it.jofjltncb6 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »If you make a burger with lean beef, you're still getting some fat, plus you're most likely going to add more fat when you cook it. Also, whole grain bread (especially if it's made from sprouted flour or sourdough) has more micro nutrients.
So lean beef is healthier because it has some fat and I'll probably add more fat when I cook it? That doesn't make any sense at all.
Which micro nutrients am I getting from whole grain bread (or sourdough) that I'm not getting from...less-than-whole grain bread? Are these micro nutrients in which I am deficient? (If not, do I get extra healthy credit for exceeding a certain amount of micro nutrients beyond what is necessary for optimal health?)
As for whole grain bread, the fermentation process in sourdough allows the micronutrients (like magnesium) to be absorbed better. There are substances like phytic acid naturally occurring in grains that allow for lower nutrient absorption, whereas the sourdough process helps to neutralize this.
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Why would you lower fat consumption? If you're not eating at a surplus, restricting a need macro makes sense why?
Whole grain bread and sourdough are not the same things.0 -
If 40% of someone's calories happens to be from fat, it might not be a bad thing to lower it in that case.
Also, it is possible to have whole grain sourdough bread. I regularly eat homemade bread that has been made from whole grain flour and has also been fermented.0 -
I don't care what you think is possible. Whole grain bread does not mean sourdough, and vice versa. You can have sourdough whole grain bread, but that is a variant.
Also, if 40% of someone's calories are from fat, and there aren't existing health issues, why lower it? What would you replace it with? Why are you implying that dietary lipid intake is bad?0 -
Ok, I knew that whole grain bread is not automatically sourdough, but was simply using that as an example.I don't care what you think is possible. Whole grain bread does not mean sourdough, and vice versa. You can have sourdough whole grain bread, but that is a variant.
Also, if 40% of someone's calories are from fat, and there aren't existing health issues, why lower it? What would you replace it with? Why are you implying that dietary lipid intake is bad?
And I'm not saying that someone must reduce their fat consumption if they're at 40%, but if someone wants to increase their carb or protein consumption it would make sense to reduce fat.
Essentially, I think the point that jgennace was making is that there's a difference between taking out some of the fat in the beef, replacing it with something like olive oil (if you cook it in that oil), versus simply getting a burger at a fast food place.
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There is a very big difference, I'll agree with that.
However, you made this claim:If 40% of someone's calories happens to be from fat, it might not be a bad thing to lower it in that case.
You didn't say anything about adjusting macros. Simply the implication that there was something wrong with a 40% fat intake. So, assuming that there is no outlier like medical issue, or a caloric surplus. What specifically is wrong with 40% of daily intake coming from fats?0 -
Assuming there are no medical issues (or a likely tendency to develop a medical condition that could be related to fat consumption), I don't think there is an issue with that.0
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Roger that.
PS - I'm still dying from acute sodium bicarbonate exposure.
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