"The big fat calorie counting con"
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Why does it have to be specifics. Just do what feels natural. When I hit plateau's I would drop a snack or do a bit extra at the gym.0
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herrspoons wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Why does it have to be specifics. Just do what feels natural. When I hit plateau's I would drop a snack or do a bit extra at the gym.
Good luck with that then.
It's not luck! - I lost 35lb doing it that way. In fact I've found it quite easy.
Plus I've not had a single day I can think of when I haven't eaten to feeling full!!
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If you don't count cals why are you on this site? Just for the awesome forums? (honest question)0
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redfisher1974 wrote: »If you don't count cals why are you on this site? Just for the awesome forums? (honest question)
Yes! finally!
My interest in this thread was lost on cats and how much cats weigh etc...until this bit of sanity above brought me back!! Thank you0 -
redfisher1974 wrote: »If you don't count cals why are you on this site? Just for the awesome forums? (honest question)
The sites a bit more one dimensional than calorie counting! Its a support mechanism. It's fun. And on the forums (other than the general ones - I certainly don't include these) it's informative.
Plus you can get some great recipe ideas!
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fair enough, Carry on.tennisdude2004 wrote: »redfisher1974 wrote: »If you don't count cals why are you on this site? Just for the awesome forums? (honest question)
The sites a bit more one dimensional than calorie counting! Its a support mechanism. It's fun. And on the forums (other than the general ones - I certainly don't include these) it's informative.
Plus you can get some great recipe ideas!
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Thanks, will do........Oh and I forgot to mention the fitness and exercise aspect of website!0
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redfisher1974 wrote: »If you don't count cals why are you on this site? Just for the awesome forums? (honest question)
I used to log my food strictly to see what nutrients I was (and wasn't) getting, but I've since set a calorie limit and all that. Just saying I can see why people would log for other reasons.
Oh, and trolls for the forums. Who can forget the trolls? I cannot believe I almost forgot the trolls
So tracking your macros... Makes sense.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »I wonder how people controlled their weight before calories were invented. I wonder how the animal kingdom does it.
Good question. When I was younger in the 60s and 70s, nobody counted calories to lose weight. My mother wanted to lose ten pounds once (she was never overweight, except for maybe those ten pounds), and she just cut her portions back and lost ten pounds over several months. Thus far, I have not learned that tool.
So she cut her calories. Maybe not through counting them but same thing. But I agree it isnt a natural thing if you are used to eating more. The main thing for me this time around is trying to get my head right with food. Its not a reward (well occasionally is ok) and its not a crutch, its fuel
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herrspoons wrote: »If you have a house cat it will happily continue to eat until it nearly explodes.
Actually, I wonder if people have studied this (I'm sure) and am thinking it might relate to the argument in another thread that is going on today about whether there are genetic differences that lead people to be more disposed to becoming overweight or obese.
I've had a few cats in my lifetime, and for some this was (largely) true, whereas for others it was not. Right now I have two cats and one (the one in my avatar), I could leave food out all the time or put out way more than he needs and he'd just eat what he is hungry for and not gain. (He's also super active.) My other cat will eat what you give him and if you put out extra food he'll eat that too. Unsurprisingly he has a tendency to become overweight, whereas my other does not.0 -
redfisher1974 wrote: »If you don't count cals why are you on this site? Just for the awesome forums? (honest question)
It may be an honest question but I also find it a strange question as well. From what I have seen there are hundreds of reasons people are here. Counting calories would be at the bottom of my list. It can be a useful tool but I find when I count calories I start to think about food all the time. I start obsessing about food, search for new recipes and I simply become hungry all the time.
Calories in, calories out and exercise works - I don't dispute that, but long term it is not sustainable. It is not something people will naturally do and once they have lost the weight and stop counting calories, the weight will often slowly return. I worked for WW for many years and watched the poor ladies struggle with maintaining. Often returning weighing more than when they started.
Calorie counting, is not something we can teach in schools to educate our young people. They simply will not do it as part of their lifestyle. Teenagers are more interested in eating quickly and using their time in discovering what life has to offer - often sex and alcohol.
However, teaching them about healthy nutrition from an early age so that it becomes just a part of their lifestyle would go a long way for not becoming obese in the first place.
Weight loss, as far as I am concerned, must start with good nutrition. Calorie counting is just one of the many tools available and nothing more.0 -
redfisher1974 wrote: »If you don't count cals why are you on this site? Just for the awesome forums? (honest question)
It may be an honest question but I also find it a strange question as well. From what I have seen there are hundreds of reasons people are here. Counting calories would be at the bottom of my list. It can be a useful tool but I find when I count calories I start to think about food all the time. I start obsessing about food, search for new recipes and I simply become hungry all the time.
Calories in, calories out and exercise works - I don't dispute that, but long term it is not sustainable. It is not something people will naturally do and once they have lost the weight and stop counting calories, the weight will often slowly return. I worked for WW for many years and watched the poor ladies struggle with maintaining. Often returning weighing more than when they started.
Calorie counting, is not something we can teach in schools to educate our young people. They simply will not do it as part of their lifestyle. Teenagers are more interested in eating quickly and using their time in discovering what life has to offer - often sex and alcohol.
However, teaching them about healthy nutrition from an early age so that it becomes just a part of their lifestyle would go a long way for not becoming obese in the first place.
Weight loss, as far as I am concerned, must start with good nutrition. Calorie counting is just one of the many tools available and nothing more.
You can find whatever you want strange, It was my Question and I asked it and he answered... Cheers!0 -
I will keep it short! In any article almost all reporters come at you with their on slant on things Here is the info on the article writer: "Ross Edgley is a writer and broadcaster who specialises in the areas of health, nutrition and popular culture. He is also Co-Founder at THE PROTEIN WORKS™. " If you want to understand the food you consume and the effects it has on you then the calorie is only one part of that understanding. The plain truth is if you burn more than you take in then the body has to burn fat and muscle. The only problem with that is if food you eat does not have the right balance of all the necessary bodily food requirements then you body ceases to function properly.0
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redfisher, you have every right to be a bit annoyed at me but I honestly did not mean to offend you. Sometimes, because it is a public forum, we think the questions are directed at us and we forget that you were in fact speaking to a specific person. You asked your question, he answered and in normal society that is the end of it. But hey sorry about that, you got my opinion as well. The joys of the internet!!
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Hey I was in no way annoyed! I have been around long enough on forums to understand how it works. I was Just being myself.. A little jerky sometimes but honest. Enjoy your night!redfisher, you have every right to be a bit annoyed at me but I honestly did not mean to offend you. Sometimes, because it is a public forum, we think the questions are directed at us and we forget that you were in fact speaking to a specific person. You asked your question, he answered and in normal society that is the end of it. But hey sorry about that, you got my opinion as well. The joys of the internet!!
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WalkingAlong wrote: »I wonder how people controlled their weight before calories were invented. I wonder how the animal kingdom does it.
Food scarcity.0 -
Glad to hear that.:) It is morning for me, just after 8am, so thank you I will take that as enjoy your day. Cheers.0
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redfisher1974 wrote: »If you don't count cals why are you on this site? Just for the awesome forums? (honest question)
It may be an honest question but I also find it a strange question as well. From what I have seen there are hundreds of reasons people are here. Counting calories would be at the bottom of my list. It can be a useful tool but I find when I count calories I start to think about food all the time. I start obsessing about food, search for new recipes and I simply become hungry all the time.
Calories in, calories out and exercise works - I don't dispute that, but long term it is not sustainable. It is not something people will naturally do and once they have lost the weight and stop counting calories, the weight will often slowly return. I worked for WW for many years and watched the poor ladies struggle with maintaining. Often returning weighing more than when they started.
Calorie counting, is not something we can teach in schools to educate our young people. They simply will not do it as part of their lifestyle. Teenagers are more interested in eating quickly and using their time in discovering what life has to offer - often sex and alcohol.
However, teaching them about healthy nutrition from an early age so that it becomes just a part of their lifestyle would go a long way for not becoming obese in the first place.
Weight loss, as far as I am concerned, must start with good nutrition. Calorie counting is just one of the many tools available and nothing more.
It was mandatory for both boys and girls in my primary school to take home economics and shop each for half a year (it used to be a year but segmented by sex until the non-discrimination policies came in). We learned a lot the basics about nutrition and how to prepare and cook a "proper balanced" meal but calories never actually entered into the equation. Of course, this was actually before the sharp increase in the overweight and obese people actually started so weight control wasn't really a major concern at the time except for people with medical conditions I guess.
When my three eldest daughters went through primary school, the youngest is not yet 3, they didn't take home economics, which surprised me but I guess they figure that parents are supposed to teach this in the home. Problem is that too many parents themselves these days just don't know enough about nutrition and cooking, or so it seems.
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I think you nailed it Mr_Knight. We simply have too much good food available. Perhaps the old fight or flight came into it as well so they were pretty fit.0
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WalkingAlong wrote: »I wonder how people controlled their weight before calories were invented. I wonder how the animal kingdom does it.
Food scarcity.
Psh. PALEO duh.
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