Sugar - possibly the easiest thing to cut back on for weight loss!
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That's not eating in moderation....0
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
Not sure what you mean by a billion servings -- it's a breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's actually a lot less food than I usually eat.
You are proving my point exactly -- you can't eat the foods you want in moderation AND be at maintenance calories.0 -
DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »I am calling BS on "eat what you want, just in moderation, and you'll lose weight."
Here's a daily menu of eating the foods I want in moderation:
Donut, latte.
2 slices pizza, green salad with Ranch dressing.
KFC chicken breast, side of mashed potatoes with gravy, green beans, biscuit.
1/2 cup vanilla ice cream.
All food eaten in moderation. Am I'm supposed to exercise off 1,300 calories each day?
That's a very different idea of moderation than I have.
I wouldn't have a donut and a latte together. Unless it's just a cup of black, I like to enjoy my coffee so I rarely have it with other food. If I have a latte, I won't have enough calories for my nightly piece of chocolate so I would skip it. I indulge everyday but I don't need to overindulge and have more than 3 types of snacks.
Two slices of pizza and a salad is not a single meal for me, it's 3. I don't find soda worth the calories so I would skip that too.
If I wanted that KFC meal I would grill chicken with spices, make mashed potatoes with garlic and a reasonable amount of butter cooked in, I would skip the gravy because you don't really need it if the potatoes are seasoned, I would steam fresh green beans. I would skip the biscuit, I've never found a good allergy free biscuit recipe. My homemade version of that meal couldn't come in much higher than 300c-400c.
1/2 of ice cream is reasonable, but again I would have to bend somewhere. I would either give up the latte and have black coffee or give up some of my snack calories to fit in it.0 -
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
Not sure what you mean by a billion servings -- it's a breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's actually a lot less food than I usually eat.
You're over-eating.
Can't state it any simpler than that.
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Good lord, those pizza calories!DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »I am calling BS on "eat what you want, just in moderation, and you'll lose weight."
Here's a daily menu of the foods I want in moderation:
Donut, latte.
2 slices pizza, green salad with Ranch dressing.
KFC chicken breast, side of mashed potatoes with gravy, green beans, biscuit.
1/2 cup vanilla ice cream.
All food eaten in moderation. Am I'm supposed to exercise off 1,300 calories each day?
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wow , and I thought I was nuts for craving sugar so badly. I have been on mfp for under a month and came to realize that with no exception my daily sugar intake was at least twice the quantity I was supposed to eat, whereas the other ( protein, fat, sodium) were at half the size, or in case of the sodium not even 1/4. I read this thread here, someone was asking how to cut back on sodium and I was stunned. I realize Ci/Co and as far as calories are concerned I'm all good, losing weight slowly but still wondering if that little sodium and that much sugar mean I'm not healthy regardless on the number on the scale.0
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What's it a billion servings of?DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
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So how do we eat the meals Deirdre described in moderation and still be satisfied?
Here is the current Australian Government Campaign been screened across Australia at the moment about sugary drinks and toxic fat. These adds appear at least twice a day.
http://livelighter.com.au/tools-and-resources/advertisements
http://livelighter.com.au/the-facts/about-sugary-drinks
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
Not sure what you mean by a billion servings -- it's a breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's actually a lot less food than I usually eat.
You are proving my point exactly -- you can't eat the foods you want in moderation AND be at maintenance calories.
Sure you can, but it has to scale to your individual TDEE. I maintain on about 3500 calories, so I could comfortably lose on all that you listed. Someone like yourself would have to perhaps scale it back a bit more.0 -
DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
Which is why "in moderation" is as useless a term for new dieters as the C word.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
What's it a billion servings of?DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
Whether it's a billion servings of one food, or one serving each of a billion foods, it's still a billion servings of food and doesn't fit any meaningful definition of "moderation".
The poster in question is getting lost in the pedantic weeds....bottom line, that's a crap load of food.
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That's not eating in moderation....
This.
What I think "moderation" means is focus on getting adequate nutrients, a balanced diet, within the calories that you need to maintain. (You likely don't need to count to do that, but if not eat serving sizes that are appropriate for you and your maintenance calories.)
Assuming you have some room for additional food, fill it as you like. Sometimes I might have ice cream, sometimes I use the extra calories for a more caloric dinner and have lamb vindaloo and naan.0 -
"In moderation" while still maintaining a caloric deficit.0 -
You guys can't have it both ways. You can't say "eat what you want in moderation and you'll lose weight" and then, when faced with a simple meal plan with one serving for each meal, say "that's not in moderation".
But, let's say you are right -- let's cut this meal down so I'm hitting my calories and my macros.
Let's see:
Latte and half a donut
Half a slice of pizza and a salad (that's a small pizza, by the way -- it's half of 1/4 of a 10" pizza, so roughly 2 inches by 5 inches).
7 oz of chicken and 1/2 a cup of green beans
1/2 cup of vanilla ice cream.
Now I'm under my calories and near most of my macros except for fat.
I can't imagine eating this menu. I would be so hungry all the time.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »You guys can't have it both ways. You can't say "eat what you want in moderation and you'll lose weight" and then, when faced with a simple meal plan with one serving for each meal, say "that's not in moderation".
It's not though, based upon your activity level at 1400 calories. Obviously, you'd have to sacrifice certain foods if you were looking to consume them all within the same day for that original example, otherwise you'd blow through your caloric goal.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
"In moderation" while still maintaining a caloric deficit.
That doesn't define "in moderation."
If everyone is going to use the phrase, surely someone can define it.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
"In moderation" while still maintaining a caloric deficit.
That doesn't define "in moderation."
If everyone is going to use the phrase, surely someone can define it.
Definition: Eat any foods you like, in the context of your calorie and nutrient goals.
It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
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There seems to be a misunderstanding as to what moderation is. Fast food/pizza/donuts/dessert in a day for someone with a 1400 calorie limit is extremely obviously not moderation.
However, it does show why the original point is questionable. Let's say I replace the coffee and donut breakfast with my current normal breakfast of a vegetable omelet, fruit, dairy, and coffee. It's about the same calories. And I cut the sugar! Then I dump the ice cream, but I still want a snack in the evening, say, so I add a package of almonds.
Way less sugar, same basic calories.
One has to exercise common sense.0 -
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I'm totally fine with that, because at the end of the day, I'm not responsible for your knowledge - YOU are. If you think wandering down pedantic ratholes is the best way to get to your goals, hey, go for it!
:drinker:
And I never called you (or anyone else) a "stupid head".
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lemurcat12 wrote: »That's not eating in moderation....
This.
What I think "moderation" means is focus on getting adequate nutrients, a balanced diet, within the calories that you need to maintain. (You likely don't need to count to do that, but if not eat serving sizes that are appropriate for you and your maintenance calories.)
Assuming you have some room for additional food, fill it as you like. Sometimes I might have ice cream, sometimes I use the extra calories for a more caloric dinner and have lamb vindaloo and naan.
I think that's what it means to some. Many say "eat what I want within my calories". That leaves me wondering what they're learning from the process, and what happens when they fall off the counting lifestyle wagon.
I love vindaloo.
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That's why many people say 'fit it into your calories' instead. You can have that one thing you really want for the day, if you can fit it into your calories. Assuming your calories are mostly used by filling foods that cover your macros and nutritional needs for the day.
Someone can have a donut or some pizza or ice cream, but trying to fit it all into one day isn't going to work with a large calorie restriction. You could pick which thing you wanted to fit in that day, and easily fit it.
The idea of eating everything you'd like everyday =/= still eating the things you like as part of a healthy balanced diet.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »There seems to be a misunderstanding as to what moderation is. Fast food/pizza/donuts/dessert in a day for someone with a 1400 calorie limit is extremely obviously not moderation.
However, it does show why the original point is questionable. Let's say I replace the coffee and donut breakfast with my current normal breakfast of a vegetable omelet, fruit, dairy, and coffee. It's about the same calories. And I cut the sugar! Then I dump the ice cream, but I still want a snack in the evening, say, so I add a package of almonds.
Way less sugar, same basic calories.
One has to exercise common sense.
Definitely less sugar.
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It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
Did you even look at the original menu?
One donut, one latte.
Two slices of pizza, salad, drink.
Chicken, mashed potatoes, biscuit, green beans, drink.
Ice cream.
That's all it is. I don't know why you think that's a billion servings.0
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