Sugar - possibly the easiest thing to cut back on for weight loss!
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I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
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Who knew mushrooms had so many calories?Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
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ha. exactly!
Who knew mushrooms had so many calories?Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
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BTW, while we're discussing added sugars: BBW is quite bad for that. Not to mention the fact that it's some SERIOUSLY calorically dense food.0
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You may as well have. That's how those little pictures come off, anyway.
I'm totally fine with that, because at the end of the day, I'm not responsible for your knowledge - YOU are. If you think wandering down pedantic ratholes is the best way to get to your goals, hey, go for it!
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And I never called you (or anyone else) a "stupid head".
Given the definitions of "in moderation" here, many people will have to be eliminating certain food from their diets and only having those foods on rare occasions.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »I am calling BS on "eat what you want, just in moderation, and you'll lose weight."
Here's a daily menu of the foods I want in moderation:
Donut, latte.
2 slices pizza, green salad with Ranch dressing.
KFC chicken breast, side of mashed potatoes with gravy, green beans, biscuit.
1/2 cup vanilla ice cream.
All food eaten in moderation. Am I'm supposed to exercise off 1,300 calories each day?
And congrats, that's not moderation at all.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.
I chose the Shitake Mushroom pizza because it had vegetables on it. I just checked Mellow Mushroom's nutrition site and it's 490 a small slice.
The cheese only small slice is 310, so once you start adding extras, it can get massively high in calories pretty quickly.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
Did you even look at the original menu?
One donut, one latte.
Two slices of pizza, salad, drink.
Chicken, mashed potatoes, biscuit, green beans, drink.
Ice cream.
That's all it is. I don't know why you think that's a billion servings.
And if you don't know about food, it sounds just fine, doesn't it?
It's all about learning....0 -
sheepotato wrote: »
That's why many people say 'fit it into your calories' instead. You can have that one thing you really want for the day, if you can fit it into your calories. Assuming your calories are mostly used by filling foods that cover your macros and nutritional needs for the day.
Someone can have a donut or some pizza or ice cream, but trying to fit it all into one day isn't going to work with a large calorie restriction. You could pick which thing you wanted to fit in that day, and easily fit it.
The idea of eating everything you'd like everyday =/= still eating the things you like as part of a healthy balanced diet.
Although I actually can fit in all 3 into my day if I wanted. I'd possibly just have a hard time meeting my protein needs unless I just eat chicken and tuna all day with it.
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What "brand" is it?DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.
I chose the Shitake Mushroom pizza because it had vegetables on it. I just checked Mellow Mushroom's nutrition site and it's 490 a small slice.
The cheese only small slice is 310, so once you start adding extras, it can get massively high in calories pretty quickly.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
Did you even look at the original menu?
One donut, one latte.
Two slices of pizza, salad, drink.
Chicken, mashed potatoes, biscuit, green beans, drink.
Ice cream.
That's all it is. I don't know why you think that's a billion servings.
It's not rocket science, or are you just arguing for the sake of it.
You can have donuts and lattes. Have one or the other on different days.
You want pizza? Have one slice. If you can't fit ice cream in every day, don't.
Have it when it fits...There. You can eat whatever foods you like in moderation. Anyone can set up a ridiculous menu that won't work. Too bad that's a strawman argument since no one ever claimed that's what moderation means. You can do the same thing with a meal that contains no sugar or "processed" foods.0 -
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And congrats, that's not moderation at all.
Why not? It's a single serving each of nine foods.
I'd have to eat a single serving of four of these nine foods to make my calories and macros.
Is that moderation, to eat four pieces of food a day?
I personally prefer to eat as much food as I can each day, within my calories and macros. Right now, at 1410 calories a day, I eat 14 single servings of food each day.
14 is a whole lot better than 4, I'd say.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.
I chose the Shitake Mushroom pizza because it had vegetables on it. I just checked Mellow Mushroom's nutrition site and it's 490 a small slice.
The cheese only small slice is 310, so once you start adding extras, it can get massively high in calories pretty quickly.
Mellow Mushroom is one of the places that ended up on our 'not worth it list.' My husband and I would share a small pizza (3 slices each) and have it for two meals. At 1,200 calories it nearly wiped out my calories for the day and I was so hungry by the evening.
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Lol. so we've gone full circle: don't eliminate anything, but you might have to basically eliminate things.
And then folks will ask what "rare occasions" means.
Meh, I'll keep doing what I'm doing.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Is that moderation, to eat four pieces of food a day?
If one of those pieces is a 500 calorie slice of pizza - obviously, yes.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
Not sure what you mean by a billion servings -- it's a breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's actually a lot less food than I usually eat.
You are proving my point exactly -- you can't eat the foods you want in moderation AND be at maintenance calories.
Weird, because I actually do this every single day. I want to eat donuts and french fries and pizza and a chocolate bar? Okay, cool. can I fit it all into my day while still eating my protein needs? Probably not. So I'll eat the donut and pizza today, the fries and chocolate bar tomorrow.
Oh, I also want to eat 4 pomegranates? Well that would be well over a meal's worth of calories for very little satiety. So I'll have one a day for the next four days.
And this is all with just considering my deficit intake. I actually could eat these amounts at maintenance.0 -
DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
Did you even look at the original menu?
One donut, one latte.
Two slices of pizza, salad, drink.
Chicken, mashed potatoes, biscuit, green beans, drink.
Ice cream.
That's all it is. I don't know why you think that's a billion servings.
It's not rocket science, or are you just arguing for the sake of it.
You can have donuts and lattes. Have one or the other on different days.
You want pizza? Have one slice. If you can't fit ice cream in every day, don't.
Have it when it fits...sheesh.
That's a lot more definitive than "eat what you want in moderation."
So, you aren't really eating whatever you want, whenever you want. You are eating things you like, when they FIT in your available macros and calorie level.-1 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »What "brand" is it?
Mellow Mushroom, which is a fantastic pizza if you've never had it!It's not rocket science, or are you just arguing for the sake of it.
You can have donuts and lattes. Have one or the other on different days.
You want pizza? Have one slice. If you can't fit ice cream in every day, don't.
Have it when it fits...There. You can eat whatever foods you like in moderation.
Go back to page 7 and read the whole subthread.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Is that moderation, to eat four pieces of food a day?
If one of those pieces is a 500 calorie slice of pizza - obviously, yes.
Mushroom pizza.
Probably doesn't even taste good.
I know I use the term hyper palatable, but most of it tastes just awful.0 -
Yeah, that would NOT be worth it to me either.sheepotato wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.
I chose the Shitake Mushroom pizza because it had vegetables on it. I just checked Mellow Mushroom's nutrition site and it's 490 a small slice.
The cheese only small slice is 310, so once you start adding extras, it can get massively high in calories pretty quickly.
Mellow Mushroom is one of the places that ended up on our 'not worth it list.' My husband and I would share a small pizza (3 slices each) and have it for two meals. At 1,200 calories it nearly wiped out my calories for the day and I was so hungry by the evening.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
Did you even look at the original menu?
One donut, one latte.
Two slices of pizza, salad, drink.
Chicken, mashed potatoes, biscuit, green beans, drink.
Ice cream.
That's all it is. I don't know why you think that's a billion servings.
It's not rocket science, or are you just arguing for the sake of it.
You can have donuts and lattes. Have one or the other on different days.
You want pizza? Have one slice. If you can't fit ice cream in every day, don't.
Have it when it fits...There. You can eat whatever foods you like in moderation. Anyone can set up a ridiculous menu that won't work. Too bad that's a strawman argument since no one ever claimed that's what moderation means. You can do the same thing with a meal that contains no sugar or "processed" foods.
One slice of pizza? No thanks0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Lol. so we've gone full circle: don't eliminate anything, but you might have to basically eliminate things.
And then folks will ask what "rare occasions" means.
Meh, I'll keep doing what I'm doing.
Round and round and round we go. Where it stops, no one knows.
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Yet it is an excessive amount of calories. To eat within moderation doesn't simply entail portion sizes, it means being mindful of the calories those foods have.0 -
DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »What "brand" is it?
Mellow Mushroom, which is a fantastic pizza if you've never had it!It's not rocket science, or are you just arguing for the sake of it.
You can have donuts and lattes. Have one or the other on different days.
You want pizza? Have one slice. If you can't fit ice cream in every day, don't.
Have it when it fits...There. You can eat whatever foods you like in moderation.
Go back to page 7 and read the whole subthread.
Never heard of it. hmm. Glad I haven't.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Is that moderation, to eat four pieces of food a day?
If one of those pieces is a 500 calorie slice of pizza - obviously, yes.
Mushroom pizza.
Probably doesn't even taste good.
I know I use the term hyper palatable, but most of it tastes just awful.
A slice of neopolitan style pizza is maybe half of that, so we're talking about a slice that is drowning in fat calories, and probably a bunch of buried sugar in the sauce and crust.
Doesn't sound appealing to me at all...especially since it obviously blows up the daily meal plan.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
Did you even look at the original menu?
One donut, one latte.
Two slices of pizza, salad, drink.
Chicken, mashed potatoes, biscuit, green beans, drink.
Ice cream.
That's all it is. I don't know why you think that's a billion servings.
It's not rocket science, or are you just arguing for the sake of it.
You can have donuts and lattes. Have one or the other on different days.
You want pizza? Have one slice. If you can't fit ice cream in every day, don't.
Have it when it fits...There. You can eat whatever foods you like in moderation. Anyone can set up a ridiculous menu that won't work. Too bad that's a strawman argument since no one ever claimed that's what moderation means. You can do the same thing with a meal that contains no sugar or "processed" foods.
One slice of pizza? No thanks
It's an example. You're being as obtuse and pedantic as the other one.-1 -
Doesn't appeal to me either. Definitely.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Is that moderation, to eat four pieces of food a day?
If one of those pieces is a 500 calorie slice of pizza - obviously, yes.
Mushroom pizza.
Probably doesn't even taste good.
I know I use the term hyper palatable, but most of it tastes just awful.
A slice of neopolitan style pizza is maybe half of that, so we're talking about a slice that is drowning in fat calories, and probably a bunch of buried sugar in the sauce and crust.
Doesn't sound appealing to me at all...especially since it obviously blows up the daily meal plan.
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And the challenge is: eating "what you want", within, say, 1500 calories, while meeting all those magical macros....
Yet it is an excessive amount of calories. To eat within moderation doesn't simply entail portion sizes, it means being mindful of the calories those foods have.
Not so easy. Seems much harder than just limiting a few things.
But again: different strokes.
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Weird, because I actually do this every single day. I want to eat donuts and french fries and pizza and a chocolate bar? Okay, cool. can I fit it all into my day while still eating my protein needs? Probably not. So I'll eat the donut and pizza today, the fries and chocolate bar tomorrow.
Oh, I also want to eat 4 pomegranates? Well that would be well over a meal's worth of calories for very little satiety. So I'll have one a day for the next four days.
And this is all with just considering my deficit intake. I actually could eat these amounts at maintenance.
You aren't eating what you want in moderation. You are restricting what you want and parceling it out to different days so you can meet your numbers.
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