Sugar - possibly the easiest thing to cut back on for weight loss!
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legallyblonde916 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Apart from a quick source of energy, which i have already eluded to - what does sugar provide the body that other food cannot? simple question.
Glucose is pretty much necessary for survival, not just for short term energy.
How have I survived on <20g a day for over 6months then? What small amount required, about 30% of the brain's intake is all, is converted to sugar by the body from protein.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I haven't seen this as an actual thing. Just something that's singled out for hyperbole and mention on MFP.lemurcat12 wrote: »
I saw it in a discussion on MFP by someone making that argument (not someone making fun of the argument as a hypothetical thing, but someone actually making it).
That ketchup from mcdonalds made them fat or an over abundance of added (hidden) sugars made them fat? (neither of which is true).
That people over-consume fast food because it has sugar which is addictive.
I was pretty amazed by that argument too. I don't care for McDonalds anyway (I like fat and salt, but I source it from elsewhere
), but it seems obvious to me that the sugar that happens to be in the burger and fries is not the reason, and if it's the soda it's pretty easy to get soda without also buying a meal.
For what it's worth, I was curious about the grams of sugar so did a bit more research. In a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, there are 740 calories and 9 grams of sugar (or 36 calories). Those sugar grams are from: ketchup (3 grams), onions (1 gram), and the bun (5 grams). Medium fries would add 350 calories, no sugar.
Oh, that's another topic entirely. That's not ketchup makes me fat.
I think fast food can somewhat hyper-palatable for many, but no, not addictive.
The QP is the one with three white bread buns, yes? How'd they get only 5 grams in 3 white bread buns?0 -
objection, subjective.
for me the easiest thing to cut out was Dairy.
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sheepotato wrote: »There was a point in the 90's where fat was demonized so there a big push to make everything lower in fat. So many restaurants and packaged food makers started adding in extra sugar so that the 'reduced fat' version of their food was still appealing. McDonald's tried out a lower fat burger that used seaweed in place of the fat the 'McLean Deluxe' it didn't go over very well. (It had 10g of fat instead the Bigmac's 26g)
Given the source of the sugar in the burgers, I seriously doubt it's down in recent days (or years) or that it's up vs. where it used to be because of some anti-fat thing.
I totally agree that other "low fat" products sometimes use sugar to maintain the palatability, but people overstate that. It seems common among the anti-sugar types to claim that sugar is added to skim milk and low fat or fat free cottage cheese or yogurt, and while there are flavored yogurts with sugar added, of course, most low fat or fat free dairy is just dairy (read the labels) and a rather traditional way of eating/drinking dairy too, as it's not tough to skim off the cream. I'm pro full fat dairy from time to time (like I said above, I'm all for fat), but I also like low fat and skim dairy, and think it's silly to claim that any lower fat products are bad because "processed" or that they ALL have sugar or are "unnatural" or whatever.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »sheepotato wrote: »There was a point in the 90's where fat was demonized so there a big push to make everything lower in fat. So many restaurants and packaged food makers started adding in extra sugar so that the 'reduced fat' version of their food was still appealing. McDonald's tried out a lower fat burger that used seaweed in place of the fat the 'McLean Deluxe' it didn't go over very well. (It had 10g of fat instead the Bigmac's 26g)
Given the source of the sugar in the burgers, I seriously doubt it's down in recent days (or years) or that it's up vs. where it used to be because of some anti-fat thing.
I totally agree that other "low fat" products sometimes use sugar to maintain the palatability, but people overstate that. It seems common among the anti-sugar types to claim that sugar is added to skim milk and low fat or fat free cottage cheese or yogurt, and while there are flavored yogurts with sugar added, of course, most low fat or fat free dairy is just dairy (read the labels) and a rather traditional way of eating/drinking dairy too, as it's not tough to skim off the cream. I'm pro full fat dairy from time to time (like I said above, I'm all for fat), but I also like low fat and skim dairy, and think it's silly to claim that any lower fat products are bad because "processed" or that they ALL have sugar or are "unnatural" or whatever.
My local tortilla maker here proudly proclaimed that they no longer use fat in their tortillas. Guess what they use. yep. HFCS.0 -
Seriously? How is it possible to make a tortilla without fat? Fat and sugar perform completely different functions in dough, it's impossible to substitute one for the other.0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I haven't seen this as an actual thing. Just something that's singled out for hyperbole and mention on MFP.lemurcat12 wrote: »
I saw it in a discussion on MFP by someone making that argument (not someone making fun of the argument as a hypothetical thing, but someone actually making it).
That ketchup from mcdonalds made them fat or an over abundance of added (hidden) sugars made them fat? (neither of which is true).
That people over-consume fast food because it has sugar which is addictive.
I was pretty amazed by that argument too. I don't care for McDonalds anyway (I like fat and salt, but I source it from elsewhere ), but it seems obvious to me that the sugar that happens to be in the burger and fries is not the reason, and if it's the soda it's pretty easy to get soda without also buying a meal.
For what it's worth, I was curious about the grams of sugar so did a bit more research. In a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, there are 740 calories and 9 grams of sugar (or 36 calories). Those sugar grams are from: ketchup (3 grams), onions (1 gram), and the bun (5 grams). Medium fries would add 350 calories, no sugar.
Oh, that's another topic entirely. That's not ketchup makes me fat.
I think fast food can somewhat hyper-palatable for many, but no, not addictive.
The QP is the one with three white bread buns, yes? How'd they get only 5 grams in 3 white bread buns?
Not sure, but I think it just has two buns and the Big Mac has three.
I agree with you but what really shocked me is that any "addictive" claim just would have to be based on the powers of fat+salt so that it was being based on the sugar just suggested to me that people have really lost it in their inflation of the terrifying powers of sugar. Sure, it's in lots of foods that people overeat and which aren't very nutritious, but in the SAD it's not hard to find many other foods people overeat and which aren't great for you (yeah, yeah, I know, it's possible to be healthy eating them) that don't, in fact, contain sugar.0 -
I'd rather cut fat, more dense in cals.0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I haven't seen this as an actual thing. Just something that's singled out for hyperbole and mention on MFP.lemurcat12 wrote: »
I saw it in a discussion on MFP by someone making that argument (not someone making fun of the argument as a hypothetical thing, but someone actually making it).
That ketchup from mcdonalds made them fat or an over abundance of added (hidden) sugars made them fat? (neither of which is true).
That people over-consume fast food because it has sugar which is addictive.
I was pretty amazed by that argument too. I don't care for McDonalds anyway (I like fat and salt, but I source it from elsewhere ), but it seems obvious to me that the sugar that happens to be in the burger and fries is not the reason, and if it's the soda it's pretty easy to get soda without also buying a meal.
For what it's worth, I was curious about the grams of sugar so did a bit more research. In a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, there are 740 calories and 9 grams of sugar (or 36 calories). Those sugar grams are from: ketchup (3 grams), onions (1 gram), and the bun (5 grams). Medium fries would add 350 calories, no sugar.
Oh, that's another topic entirely. That's not ketchup makes me fat.
I think fast food can somewhat hyper-palatable for many, but no, not addictive.
The QP is the one with three white bread buns, yes? How'd they get only 5 grams in 3 white bread buns?
Not sure, but I think it just has two buns and the Big Mac has three.
I agree with you but what really shocked me is that any "addictive" claim just would have to be based on the powers of fat+salt so that it was being based on the sugar just suggested to me that people have really lost it in their inflation of the terrifying powers of sugar. Sure, it's in lots of foods that people overeat and which aren't very nutritious, but in the SAD it's not hard to find many other foods people overeat and which aren't great for you (yeah, yeah, I know, it's possible to be healthy eating them) that don't, in fact, contain sugar.
Ahh, you may be right. It's been so long since I've had McDonalds.
Are you suggesting fat+salt is more appealing? I actually wonder if it's all three together, in one big hyper palatable bundle.
And yes, a few of the crunchy junk foods don't contain sugar, just salt and fat. including my beloved tortilla chips.
I think there's been a bastardization (of late) of the original claims of some of the big name low glycemic supporters.0 -
No, just a regular sesame seed bun for a QP. As for the only 5 grams of sugar? Sugar isn't usually an ingredient in bread. Flour, salt, yeast, water, sometimes milk and/or butter depending on the type of bread, but very rarely do I see recipes calling for sugar, unless it's intentionally a sweet bread.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I haven't seen this as an actual thing. Just something that's singled out for hyperbole and mention on MFP.lemurcat12 wrote: »
I saw it in a discussion on MFP by someone making that argument (not someone making fun of the argument as a hypothetical thing, but someone actually making it).
That ketchup from mcdonalds made them fat or an over abundance of added (hidden) sugars made them fat? (neither of which is true).
That people over-consume fast food because it has sugar which is addictive.
I was pretty amazed by that argument too. I don't care for McDonalds anyway (I like fat and salt, but I source it from elsewhere ), but it seems obvious to me that the sugar that happens to be in the burger and fries is not the reason, and if it's the soda it's pretty easy to get soda without also buying a meal.
For what it's worth, I was curious about the grams of sugar so did a bit more research. In a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, there are 740 calories and 9 grams of sugar (or 36 calories). Those sugar grams are from: ketchup (3 grams), onions (1 gram), and the bun (5 grams). Medium fries would add 350 calories, no sugar.
Oh, that's another topic entirely. That's not ketchup makes me fat.
I think fast food can somewhat hyper-palatable for many, but no, not addictive.
The QP is the one with three white bread buns, yes? How'd they get only 5 grams in 3 white bread buns?0 -
tigersword wrote: »Seriously? How is it possible to make a tortilla without fat? Fat and sugar perform completely different functions in dough, it's impossible to substitute one for the other.
Look around. It's done a lot with tortillas in particular.
The beloved (barf) chipotles says they use hydrogenated soybean oil. yum0 -
objection, subjective.
for me the easiest thing to cut out was Dairy.
Heh, and for me it would be one of the hardest, although part of this is what ana's been talking about in wanting something more if it's off-limits.
When I started this I did a paleo challenge thing (I could go into why, but I won't), and found it was a hassle to not be able to buy lunch/be so limited if going out, but on the whole no big thing to give up gluten/sweets in terms of personal taste. But WOW did I want my dairy. And the funny thing is I almost never drink milk, but all of a sudden I was dying for a glass of milk. After I stopped the main change in my diet was lots more dairy than I'd been eating/drinking before, including some milk for a while, and then I went back to normal and had lots of cottage cheese/yogurt and, sure, ice cream and cheese and sometimes butter, but no more milk.0 -
tigersword wrote: »
No, just a regular sesame seed bun for a QP. As for the only 5 grams of sugar? Sugar isn't usually an ingredient in bread. Flour, salt, yeast, water, sometimes milk and/or butter depending on the type of bread, but very rarely do I see recipes calling for sugar, unless it's intentionally a sweet bread.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I haven't seen this as an actual thing. Just something that's singled out for hyperbole and mention on MFP.lemurcat12 wrote: »
I saw it in a discussion on MFP by someone making that argument (not someone making fun of the argument as a hypothetical thing, but someone actually making it).
That ketchup from mcdonalds made them fat or an over abundance of added (hidden) sugars made them fat? (neither of which is true).
That people over-consume fast food because it has sugar which is addictive.
I was pretty amazed by that argument too. I don't care for McDonalds anyway (I like fat and salt, but I source it from elsewhere ), but it seems obvious to me that the sugar that happens to be in the burger and fries is not the reason, and if it's the soda it's pretty easy to get soda without also buying a meal.
For what it's worth, I was curious about the grams of sugar so did a bit more research. In a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, there are 740 calories and 9 grams of sugar (or 36 calories). Those sugar grams are from: ketchup (3 grams), onions (1 gram), and the bun (5 grams). Medium fries would add 350 calories, no sugar.
Oh, that's another topic entirely. That's not ketchup makes me fat.
I think fast food can somewhat hyper-palatable for many, but no, not addictive.
The QP is the one with three white bread buns, yes? How'd they get only 5 grams in 3 white bread buns?
Most bread has a little, but again, look around.
McDonalds buns have HFCS
Ingredients: Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Malted Barley Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or Sugar, Yeast, Soybean Oil and/or Canola Oil, Contains 2% or Less: Salt, Wheat Gluten, Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Ammonium Sulfate, ..
as do many store bought breads these days.
thanks for the clarification on how many buns.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Are you suggesting fat+salt is more appealing? I actually wonder if it's all three together, in one big hyper palatable bundle.
No, just that it's individual. For me it's definitely fat and salt over sugar (and, well behind, sugar plus fat over straight sugar), and I don't think adding sugar too would help. (I actually dislike sweet tastes in foods that to me aren't supposed to be sweet--even as a kid I thought Burger King ketchup was disgusting because extra sweet, I have always thought sugar in coffee was weird, and I cannot stand overly sweet salad dressings like honey mustard, although vinegar never bothers me.)
I'm just agreeing that the issue is palatability vs. "addictiveness" and that there are other tastes or combinations of tastes that can be as cheaply palatable as sugar, fat + salt being one.
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Ah, gotcha.lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Are you suggesting fat+salt is more appealing? I actually wonder if it's all three together, in one big hyper palatable bundle.
No, just that it's individual. For me it's definitely fat and salt over sugar (and, well behind, sugar plus fat over straight sugar), and I don't think adding sugar too would help. (I actually dislike sweet tastes in foods that to me aren't supposed to be sweet--even as a kid I thought Burger King ketchup was disgusting because extra sweet, I have always thought sugar in coffee was weird, and I cannot stand overly sweet salad dressings like honey mustard, although vinegar never bothers me.)
I'm just agreeing that the issue is palatability vs. "addictiveness" and that there are other tastes or combinations of tastes that can be as cheaply palatable as sugar, fat + salt being one.
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I loved the original post, and couldn't have ever put it any better. I also knew where the thread was headed afterwards. I just ignore the negativity. Reducing my intake of added sugar has been a godsend for me, and is the most sustainable road to weight loss that I've ever found.0
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IIGuardian wrote: »I loved the original post, and couldn't have ever put it any better. I also knew where the thread was headed afterwards. I just ignore the negativity. Reducing my intake of added sugar has been a godsend for me, and is the most sustainable road to weight loss that I've ever found.
Agreed (as I said before). Cheers
And when it comes to added sugars: STARBUCKS may win.
That innocuous sounding "Oprah Chai Latte" is stunning.
And again: we're talking context. Part of a bigger picture. The more heavily processed convenience foods, the more sugar and whatnot you get.
All those calories add up. The Oprah chai latte has at least 124 calories of sugar.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »objection, subjective.
for me the easiest thing to cut out was Dairy.
Heh, and for me it would be one of the hardest, although part of this is what ana's been talking about in wanting something more if it's off-limits.
When I started this I did a paleo challenge thing (I could go into why, but I won't), and found it was a hassle to not be able to buy lunch/be so limited if going out, but on the whole no big thing to give up gluten/sweets in terms of personal taste. But WOW did I want my dairy. And the funny thing is I almost never drink milk, but all of a sudden I was dying for a glass of milk. After I stopped the main change in my diet was lots more dairy than I'd been eating/drinking before, including some milk for a while, and then I went back to normal and had lots of cottage cheese/yogurt and, sure, ice cream and cheese and sometimes butter, but no more milk.
i do miss fried cheese tho. i know this feel.
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No!Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I haven't seen this as an actual thing. Just something that's singled out for hyperbole and mention on MFP.lemurcat12 wrote: »
I saw it in a discussion on MFP by someone making that argument (not someone making fun of the argument as a hypothetical thing, but someone actually making it).
That ketchup from mcdonalds made them fat or an over abundance of added (hidden) sugars made them fat? (neither of which is true).
That people over-consume fast food because it has sugar which is addictive.
I was pretty amazed by that argument too. I don't care for McDonalds anyway (I like fat and salt, but I source it from elsewhere ), but it seems obvious to me that the sugar that happens to be in the burger and fries is not the reason, and if it's the soda it's pretty easy to get soda without also buying a meal.
For what it's worth, I was curious about the grams of sugar so did a bit more research. In a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, there are 740 calories and 9 grams of sugar (or 36 calories). Those sugar grams are from: ketchup (3 grams), onions (1 gram), and the bun (5 grams). Medium fries would add 350 calories, no sugar.
Oh, that's another topic entirely. That's not ketchup makes me fat.
I think fast food can somewhat hyper-palatable for many, but no, not addictive.
The QP is the one with three white bread buns, yes? How'd they get only 5 grams in 3 white bread buns?
The QP has one BIG burger and a regular bun (much like the Whopper at Burger King.) The Big Mac has two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
I knew my fast food knowledge would come in handy one day.
Edit: I see this was already clarified. Oops.
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No!Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I haven't seen this as an actual thing. Just something that's singled out for hyperbole and mention on MFP.lemurcat12 wrote: »
I saw it in a discussion on MFP by someone making that argument (not someone making fun of the argument as a hypothetical thing, but someone actually making it).
That ketchup from mcdonalds made them fat or an over abundance of added (hidden) sugars made them fat? (neither of which is true).
That people over-consume fast food because it has sugar which is addictive.
I was pretty amazed by that argument too. I don't care for McDonalds anyway (I like fat and salt, but I source it from elsewhere ), but it seems obvious to me that the sugar that happens to be in the burger and fries is not the reason, and if it's the soda it's pretty easy to get soda without also buying a meal.
For what it's worth, I was curious about the grams of sugar so did a bit more research. In a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, there are 740 calories and 9 grams of sugar (or 36 calories). Those sugar grams are from: ketchup (3 grams), onions (1 gram), and the bun (5 grams). Medium fries would add 350 calories, no sugar.
Oh, that's another topic entirely. That's not ketchup makes me fat.
I think fast food can somewhat hyper-palatable for many, but no, not addictive.
The QP is the one with three white bread buns, yes? How'd they get only 5 grams in 3 white bread buns?
The QP has one BIG burger and a regular bun (much like the Whopper at Burger King.) The Big Mac has two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
I knew my fast food knowledge would come in handy one day.
LOL. it's good for something! cheers!0
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