Sugar - possibly the easiest thing to cut back on for weight loss!
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LolBroScience wrote: »
"In moderation" while still maintaining a caloric deficit.
That doesn't define "in moderation."
If everyone is going to use the phrase, surely someone can define it.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
"In moderation" while still maintaining a caloric deficit.
That doesn't define "in moderation."
If everyone is going to use the phrase, surely someone can define it.
Definition: Eat any foods you like, in the context of your calorie and nutrient goals.
It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
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There seems to be a misunderstanding as to what moderation is. Fast food/pizza/donuts/dessert in a day for someone with a 1400 calorie limit is extremely obviously not moderation.
However, it does show why the original point is questionable. Let's say I replace the coffee and donut breakfast with my current normal breakfast of a vegetable omelet, fruit, dairy, and coffee. It's about the same calories. And I cut the sugar! Then I dump the ice cream, but I still want a snack in the evening, say, so I add a package of almonds.
Way less sugar, same basic calories.
One has to exercise common sense.0 -
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I'm totally fine with that, because at the end of the day, I'm not responsible for your knowledge - YOU are. If you think wandering down pedantic ratholes is the best way to get to your goals, hey, go for it!
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And I never called you (or anyone else) a "stupid head".
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lemurcat12 wrote: »That's not eating in moderation....
This.
What I think "moderation" means is focus on getting adequate nutrients, a balanced diet, within the calories that you need to maintain. (You likely don't need to count to do that, but if not eat serving sizes that are appropriate for you and your maintenance calories.)
Assuming you have some room for additional food, fill it as you like. Sometimes I might have ice cream, sometimes I use the extra calories for a more caloric dinner and have lamb vindaloo and naan.
I think that's what it means to some. Many say "eat what I want within my calories". That leaves me wondering what they're learning from the process, and what happens when they fall off the counting lifestyle wagon.
I love vindaloo.
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That's why many people say 'fit it into your calories' instead. You can have that one thing you really want for the day, if you can fit it into your calories. Assuming your calories are mostly used by filling foods that cover your macros and nutritional needs for the day.
Someone can have a donut or some pizza or ice cream, but trying to fit it all into one day isn't going to work with a large calorie restriction. You could pick which thing you wanted to fit in that day, and easily fit it.
The idea of eating everything you'd like everyday =/= still eating the things you like as part of a healthy balanced diet.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »There seems to be a misunderstanding as to what moderation is. Fast food/pizza/donuts/dessert in a day for someone with a 1400 calorie limit is extremely obviously not moderation.
However, it does show why the original point is questionable. Let's say I replace the coffee and donut breakfast with my current normal breakfast of a vegetable omelet, fruit, dairy, and coffee. It's about the same calories. And I cut the sugar! Then I dump the ice cream, but I still want a snack in the evening, say, so I add a package of almonds.
Way less sugar, same basic calories.
One has to exercise common sense.
Definitely less sugar.
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It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
Did you even look at the original menu?
One donut, one latte.
Two slices of pizza, salad, drink.
Chicken, mashed potatoes, biscuit, green beans, drink.
Ice cream.
That's all it is. I don't know why you think that's a billion servings.0 -
I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
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Who knew mushrooms had so many calories?Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
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ha. exactly!
Who knew mushrooms had so many calories?Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
It's also a billion servings.
"In moderation" doesn't mean "as many foods as you like, as long as you don't eat too much of any one food". If you're over your maintenance calories, you're not eating in moderation, no matter how the calories are distributed, or what foods you're eating.
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BTW, while we're discussing added sugars: BBW is quite bad for that. Not to mention the fact that it's some SERIOUSLY calorically dense food.0
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You may as well have. That's how those little pictures come off, anyway.
I'm totally fine with that, because at the end of the day, I'm not responsible for your knowledge - YOU are. If you think wandering down pedantic ratholes is the best way to get to your goals, hey, go for it!
:drinker:
And I never called you (or anyone else) a "stupid head".
Given the definitions of "in moderation" here, many people will have to be eliminating certain food from their diets and only having those foods on rare occasions.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »I am calling BS on "eat what you want, just in moderation, and you'll lose weight."
Here's a daily menu of the foods I want in moderation:
Donut, latte.
2 slices pizza, green salad with Ranch dressing.
KFC chicken breast, side of mashed potatoes with gravy, green beans, biscuit.
1/2 cup vanilla ice cream.
All food eaten in moderation. Am I'm supposed to exercise off 1,300 calories each day?
And congrats, that's not moderation at all.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.
I chose the Shitake Mushroom pizza because it had vegetables on it. I just checked Mellow Mushroom's nutrition site and it's 490 a small slice.
The cheese only small slice is 310, so once you start adding extras, it can get massively high in calories pretty quickly.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »It sure as **** doesn't mean "eat as many different foods in a day as you like, as long as you only have one serving size of each".
Did you even look at the original menu?
One donut, one latte.
Two slices of pizza, salad, drink.
Chicken, mashed potatoes, biscuit, green beans, drink.
Ice cream.
That's all it is. I don't know why you think that's a billion servings.
And if you don't know about food, it sounds just fine, doesn't it?
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sheepotato wrote: »
That's why many people say 'fit it into your calories' instead. You can have that one thing you really want for the day, if you can fit it into your calories. Assuming your calories are mostly used by filling foods that cover your macros and nutritional needs for the day.
Someone can have a donut or some pizza or ice cream, but trying to fit it all into one day isn't going to work with a large calorie restriction. You could pick which thing you wanted to fit in that day, and easily fit it.
The idea of eating everything you'd like everyday =/= still eating the things you like as part of a healthy balanced diet.
Although I actually can fit in all 3 into my day if I wanted. I'd possibly just have a hard time meeting my protein needs unless I just eat chicken and tuna all day with it.
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What "brand" is it?DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I think it looks like a lot of people's diets, minus the 900 calories for mushroom pizza. That number for 2 slices is incredible.
I chose the Shitake Mushroom pizza because it had vegetables on it. I just checked Mellow Mushroom's nutrition site and it's 490 a small slice.
The cheese only small slice is 310, so once you start adding extras, it can get massively high in calories pretty quickly.
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