women who dont shave
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veronakings wrote: »seriously. it's so obnoxious that a discussion between women about women has become, as usual, about men's opinion of women's bodies. like, ick, knock it off.
Go back and read the original post. The poster was female but she said she wants peoples opinions of woman not shaving. People are men and women. She did not limit the discussion to female opinions only. So men's opinion of the women's body was part of the discussion from the start with an invite from the original poster.
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Hey, so.... how painful is a brazilian? I'm thinking of getting one done.0
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MrTolerable wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »veronakings wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »
I wouldn't consider myself a feminist. You're just misinterpreting almost everything I've said thus far..because you assume I'm a feminist
why are women so afraid of calling themselves a feminist? feminism is wonderful, and endlessly interesting. something you might be interested in learning about is intersectional feminism. also, just saying, whether or not a dude cares about shaved legs is NOT a feminist issue. it's just obnoxious. like who cares what this man thinks?? anyone?? nah
I support equality period.. So I am a feminist in some regards. I will look it up..as in intersectional feminism. I tend to not label myself.
it is much more than strictly equality so I recommend looking into it - for example the foreign women I am friends with certainly feel they are equal to men but are NOT feminist - they wouldn't be bothered about holding a door or chair for them, paying for a meal etc. Nor would they have some B/S assumption that the above was done by the man all for the goal of going through the motions of procreation.
Yeah. I'm not into that. No need for door holding, chair pulling out, meal paying, bs assumptions..no.
I'll definitely do some research.0 -
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well read up and fingers crossed you dive into the third wave because now the feminist are back into the lipstick, shaving, high-heels rocking da pushup bra all regardless anyway. lmaoblktngldhrt wrote: »MrTolerable wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »veronakings wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »
I wouldn't consider myself a feminist. You're just misinterpreting almost everything I've said thus far..because you assume I'm a feminist
why are women so afraid of calling themselves a feminist? feminism is wonderful, and endlessly interesting. something you might be interested in learning about is intersectional feminism. also, just saying, whether or not a dude cares about shaved legs is NOT a feminist issue. it's just obnoxious. like who cares what this man thinks?? anyone?? nah
I support equality period.. So I am a feminist in some regards. I will look it up..as in intersectional feminism. I tend to not label myself.
it is much more than strictly equality so I recommend looking into it - for example the foreign women I am friends with certainly feel they are equal to men but are NOT feminist - they wouldn't be bothered about holding a door or chair for them, paying for a meal etc. Nor would they have some B/S assumption that the above was done by the man all for the goal of going through the motions of procreation.
Yeah. I'm not into that. No need for door holding, chair pulling out, meal paying, bs assumptions..no.
I'll definitely do some research.
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blktngldhrt wrote: »
Ahhhhhhhh Kelly Clarkson!0 -
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veronakings wrote: »seriously. it's so obnoxious that a discussion between women about women has become, as usual, about men's opinion of women's bodies. like, ick, knock it off.
Go back and read the original post. The poster was female but she said she wants peoples opinions of woman not shaving. People are men and women. She did not limit the discussion to female opinions only. So men's opinion of the women's body was part of the discussion from the start with an invite from the original poster.
when you saw it was a bunch of women supporting each other and building each other up, did you just feel like you couldn't stand for it and just had to butt in with your male opinion? i mean obv anyone can say whatever they want, but maybe like think about tact? respect?0 -
MrTolerable wrote: »
well read up and fingers crossed you dive into the third wave because now the feminist are back into the lipstick, shaving, high-heels rocking da pushup bra all regardless anyway. lmaoblktngldhrt wrote: »MrTolerable wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »veronakings wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »
I wouldn't consider myself a feminist. You're just misinterpreting almost everything I've said thus far..because you assume I'm a feminist
why are women so afraid of calling themselves a feminist? feminism is wonderful, and endlessly interesting. something you might be interested in learning about is intersectional feminism. also, just saying, whether or not a dude cares about shaved legs is NOT a feminist issue. it's just obnoxious. like who cares what this man thinks?? anyone?? nah
I support equality period.. So I am a feminist in some regards. I will look it up..as in intersectional feminism. I tend to not label myself.
it is much more than strictly equality so I recommend looking into it - for example the foreign women I am friends with certainly feel they are equal to men but are NOT feminist - they wouldn't be bothered about holding a door or chair for them, paying for a meal etc. Nor would they have some B/S assumption that the above was done by the man all for the goal of going through the motions of procreation.
Yeah. I'm not into that. No need for door holding, chair pulling out, meal paying, bs assumptions..no.
I'll definitely do some research.
Reading up isn't going to magically change the way I already am.0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »veronakings wrote: »seriously. it's so obnoxious that a discussion between women about women has become, as usual, about men's opinion of women's bodies. like, ick, knock it off.
The original post said nothing about excluding the male perspective. This topic is open to anyone who wants to post. The OP didn't say she was looking for JUST female opinions. This is not meant to offend you, I promise. Just pointing out a fact about the thread.
obviously i wasn't talking about you, as i believe you were encouraging women to love their bodies and do what they want and standing up to the trolls... weren't you? ha i may be confusing you with someone else. not super interested in reading through 15 pages of people arguing about what women should and shouldn't do w/ their bodies.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »MrTolerable wrote: »
well read up and fingers crossed you dive into the third wave because now the feminist are back into the lipstick, shaving, high-heels rocking da pushup bra all regardless anyway. lmaoblktngldhrt wrote: »MrTolerable wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »veronakings wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »
I wouldn't consider myself a feminist. You're just misinterpreting almost everything I've said thus far..because you assume I'm a feminist
why are women so afraid of calling themselves a feminist? feminism is wonderful, and endlessly interesting. something you might be interested in learning about is intersectional feminism. also, just saying, whether or not a dude cares about shaved legs is NOT a feminist issue. it's just obnoxious. like who cares what this man thinks?? anyone?? nah
I support equality period.. So I am a feminist in some regards. I will look it up..as in intersectional feminism. I tend to not label myself.
it is much more than strictly equality so I recommend looking into it - for example the foreign women I am friends with certainly feel they are equal to men but are NOT feminist - they wouldn't be bothered about holding a door or chair for them, paying for a meal etc. Nor would they have some B/S assumption that the above was done by the man all for the goal of going through the motions of procreation.
Yeah. I'm not into that. No need for door holding, chair pulling out, meal paying, bs assumptions..no.
I'll definitely do some research.
Reading up isn't going to magically change the way I already am.
smh--and I thought I was called 'closed minded' reading certainly changes my perspective creating paradigm shifts leading to entire new worldviews
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veronakings wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »veronakings wrote: »seriously. it's so obnoxious that a discussion between women about women has become, as usual, about men's opinion of women's bodies. like, ick, knock it off.
The original post said nothing about excluding the male perspective. This topic is open to anyone who wants to post. The OP didn't say she was looking for JUST female opinions. This is not meant to offend you, I promise. Just pointing out a fact about the thread.
obviously i wasn't talking about you, as i believe you were encouraging women to love their bodies and do what they want and standing up to the trolls... weren't you? ha i may be confusing you with someone else. not super interested in reading through 15 pages of people arguing about what women should and shouldn't do w/ their bodies.
No, you're absolutely right. I'm all about personal choice for both sexes. If anyone doesn't like it, then move on to people who want to have an intelligent discussion about the subject. Like I said, it's their bodies... They can do with it whatever the hell they want to. Just like us men can with ours. We shouldn't try to push our preferences on someone else, regardless of what side of the genetic fence you're on.
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MrTolerable wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »MrTolerable wrote: »
well read up and fingers crossed you dive into the third wave because now the feminist are back into the lipstick, shaving, high-heels rocking da pushup bra all regardless anyway. lmaoblktngldhrt wrote: »MrTolerable wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »veronakings wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »
I wouldn't consider myself a feminist. You're just misinterpreting almost everything I've said thus far..because you assume I'm a feminist
why are women so afraid of calling themselves a feminist? feminism is wonderful, and endlessly interesting. something you might be interested in learning about is intersectional feminism. also, just saying, whether or not a dude cares about shaved legs is NOT a feminist issue. it's just obnoxious. like who cares what this man thinks?? anyone?? nah
I support equality period.. So I am a feminist in some regards. I will look it up..as in intersectional feminism. I tend to not label myself.
it is much more than strictly equality so I recommend looking into it - for example the foreign women I am friends with certainly feel they are equal to men but are NOT feminist - they wouldn't be bothered about holding a door or chair for them, paying for a meal etc. Nor would they have some B/S assumption that the above was done by the man all for the goal of going through the motions of procreation.
Yeah. I'm not into that. No need for door holding, chair pulling out, meal paying, bs assumptions..no.
I'll definitely do some research.
Reading up isn't going to magically change the way I already am.
smh--and I thought I was called 'closed minded' reading certainly changes my perspective creating paradigm shifts leading to entire new worldviews
In regards to my stance on wearing lipstick, push up bras, high heels, and shaving it probably won't change much. I don't see how that makes me closed minded. I either like those things or I don't. It's (bras,heels, makeup, and razors) not exactly a life altering subject. Haha. Other aspects of feminism, I'm sure.. but not the trivial things you mentioned.0 -
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blktngldhrt wrote: »
They've successfully weathered my straight razor. They might need the vacation.0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »veronakings wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »veronakings wrote: »seriously. it's so obnoxious that a discussion between women about women has become, as usual, about men's opinion of women's bodies. like, ick, knock it off.
The original post said nothing about excluding the male perspective. This topic is open to anyone who wants to post. The OP didn't say she was looking for JUST female opinions. This is not meant to offend you, I promise. Just pointing out a fact about the thread.
obviously i wasn't talking about you, as i believe you were encouraging women to love their bodies and do what they want and standing up to the trolls... weren't you? ha i may be confusing you with someone else. not super interested in reading through 15 pages of people arguing about what women should and shouldn't do w/ their bodies.
No, you're absolutely right. I'm all about personal choice for both sexes. If anyone doesn't like it, then move on to people who want to have an intelligent discussion about the subject. Like I said, it's their bodies... They can do with it whatever the hell they want to. Just like us men can with ours. We shouldn't try to push our preferences on someone else, regardless of what side of the genetic fence you're on.
A+ haha! yes, always comment support and love! definitely not discouraging anyone to post positive stuff. just that it's super unnecessary for someone (esp. men possessing generic misogynist viewpoints in an instance where women are discussing women's issues) to comment something nasty and totally derail the convo in order to put a bunch of people down. haha tact + respect + manners. 0 -
I don't like body hair personally. It grosses me out but everyone has their own choice.0
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No one's business what other people do. Those that think it is, need to get a life. Shaming other people based on what they choose for themselves, and that doesn't affect others in any way, needs to stop.0
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blktngldhrt wrote: »
They've successfully weathered my straight razor. They might need the vacation.
lmao - painful to even think about.0 -
veronakings wrote: »lol @ you spelling it faq to get around the auto censor. like seriously. laughing so hard. wtg little guy.
I try!
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Don't sneeze.MrTolerable wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »
They've successfully weathered my straight razor. They might need the vacation.
lmao - painful to even think about.
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Feminism just means that I can shave or not shave, wear whatever kind of skin products and shoes I prefer, and get paid the same as my coworkers who do the same job...or I can choose to stay home and raise kids if that's what I want, without some group of feminazis calling me a sellout. I don't get why people have to be so judgmental over something as mundane as body hair.
The double standard is idiotic. If armpit hair is "gross" or "smelly" on a woman, then obviously it is on a man, too. (In fact, in my experience, it's usually smellier on a man, as men on average seem to sweat more.) Having a preference is one thing, but having your attraction to a woman suddenly evaporate just because you find she doesn't enjoy torturing her skin with a razor is just stupid. Hopefully you're upfront about it so she can know she dodged a bullet. If you're that hung up on body hair, then what other absurd, trite little hangups might you have?1 -
veronakings wrote: »veronakings wrote: »seriously. it's so obnoxious that a discussion between women about women has become, as usual, about men's opinion of women's bodies. like, ick, knock it off.
Go back and read the original post. The poster was female but she said she wants peoples opinions of woman not shaving. People are men and women. She did not limit the discussion to female opinions only. So men's opinion of the women's body was part of the discussion from the start with an invite from the original poster.
when you saw it was a bunch of women supporting each other and building each other up, did you just feel like you couldn't stand for it and just had to butt in with your male opinion? i mean obv anyone can say whatever they want, but maybe like think about tact? respect?
LMAO, have you even read the whole thread. You are only reading into this thread what you want, not what is actually there. From the very start there has been men involved with the conversation. I came to the thread when it was about on page 6 or 7 and saved my comment till I read the whole thing.
Again, OP asked people's opinion. Some peoples (men & women) opinions are that armpit hair on a woman is gross, disgusting and enough to make them gag. Because people use those words their opinion shouldn't be said here because they are mean and hurtful words
. Well there opinion matters to the discussion whether you like it or not.
I'm outta here. Cannot win with your type, which is why I typically keep my mouth shut but you know, the anonymity of the internet, I couldn't help myself.
ETA: I really don't care what you any of you do. It doesn't effect my life one single bit. I gave an opinion, and posted mainly because I seen the same handful of people attacking a woman for speaking her mind. I will agree most people say it is a personal choice and I agree. I also think if you actually counted every woman who responded in this thread, a greater number of the responses would say they shave (nair, wax, or laser hair remove) their unwanted hair. Problem is, those of you that don't are more vocal about it and want to make sure everyone knows we should not have a problem with it.0 -
veronakings wrote: »veronakings wrote: »seriously. it's so obnoxious that a discussion between women about women has become, as usual, about men's opinion of women's bodies. like, ick, knock it off.
Go back and read the original post. The poster was female but she said she wants peoples opinions of woman not shaving. People are men and women. She did not limit the discussion to female opinions only. So men's opinion of the women's body was part of the discussion from the start with an invite from the original poster.
when you saw it was a bunch of women supporting each other and building each other up, did you just feel like you couldn't stand for it and just had to butt in with your male opinion? i mean obv anyone can say whatever they want, but maybe like think about tact? respect?
Actually, I saw a bunch of women tearing each other down for their shaving preferences and using words like "gross" in a judgmental way. There's a big difference between "I like to shave because I feel gross when I don't." and "I like to shave and other women who don't are gross."0 -
let me just add, no one likes to see don king. ever.0
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SnuggleSmacks wrote: »veronakings wrote: »veronakings wrote: »seriously. it's so obnoxious that a discussion between women about women has become, as usual, about men's opinion of women's bodies. like, ick, knock it off.
Go back and read the original post. The poster was female but she said she wants peoples opinions of woman not shaving. People are men and women. She did not limit the discussion to female opinions only. So men's opinion of the women's body was part of the discussion from the start with an invite from the original poster.
when you saw it was a bunch of women supporting each other and building each other up, did you just feel like you couldn't stand for it and just had to butt in with your male opinion? i mean obv anyone can say whatever they want, but maybe like think about tact? respect?
Actually, I saw a bunch of women tearing each other down for their shaving preferences and using words like "gross" in a judgmental way. There's a big difference between "I like to shave because I feel gross when I don't." and "I like to shave and other women who don't are gross."
eh i must have just come in during a good stretch of posts then.haha. i didn't expect this argument to go any way other than it has gone. my opinion on this matter is still. who gives a faq. hahahah omg still laughing at that. faq. hahah but yeah. for real on the doging a bullet thing. people who care about this stuff must have like super boring lives.0 -
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SnuggleSmacks wrote: »Feminism just means that I can shave or not shave, wear whatever kind of skin products and shoes I prefer, and get paid the same as my coworkers who do the same job...or I can choose to stay home and raise kids if that's what I want, without some group of feminazis calling me a sellout. I don't get why people have to be so judgmental over something as mundane as body hair.
The double standard is idiotic. If armpit hair is "gross" or "smelly" on a woman, then obviously it is on a man, too. (In fact, in my experience, it's usually smellier on a man, as men on average seem to sweat more.) Having a preference is one thing, but having your attraction to a woman suddenly evaporate just because you find she doesn't enjoy torturing her skin with a razor is just stupid. Hopefully you're upfront about it so she can know she dodged a bullet. If you're that hung up on body hair, then what other absurd, trite little hangups might you have?
well I can't speak for all males, but over the past two years, excluding the past few months with my current gf - I have dated well over 6-8 new women a month so I have seen it all, various races, age groups, different personality types (not saying I slept with many of them, strictly entertained them all on at least 1 date)- but the following were big to me:
mannerisms - she better behave like a lady, I'm not trying to date #lightboyversion
Confidence - if she lacks it then she is a loser.
Witty - if she can't crack a joke she is a boring date.
Romantic - candles and poems better go far.
Healthy - I'm not ganna be taking some addict cig smoker out -
Gracious - has to be quick to forgive dating me
assumption of good will - she must assume I'm 'not like other guys'
Good in bed - obviously she doesn't need to be a porn star, but she needs to either be good or willing to do anything I lead into.
sexy
Moral - if she is willing to hook up with me on the first 3 dates I will never make her my gf - a friend yes but not wifey material and I will only make a lady my gf if I am serious at seeing where things are going
Quick to laugh - I am full of jokes, she needs to be quick in conversation
Willing to stand up for herself - I don't like dating Ms. no confidence head nodding to everything - if she disagrees and has an opinion I love to hear it out
Speaks multiple languages - a very very good and sexy thing
Educated - needs to have at the very least a bachelors degree
High IQ - willing to keep up in abstract conversation
Loyal - having some integrity
Trusting - has to trust I'm not sleeping with every girl that tries to sleep with me
Fashion expert - I dress incredibly well, she doesn't need to be rocking only designer brands- but she does need to dress phenomenal
obviously groomed
Long hair - I've dumped women for having haircuts I'm not fond of - and if it isn't long then it looks masculine and bad period.
Silly - she has to be willing to tease me and get silly and goofy
Parents are together - I won't date a chick with daddy issues
No emotional baggage - I took a class from emory university and am well aware that 1/5 or 1/6 women has been sexually assaulted - that is ok - however if they are still hurting and not over it all I don't have time to deal with it - 1 bad case was enough
Mature - being modest - but sexy
a role model - I like seeing her friends and family look up to her
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