Doing all the right things but my weight won't budge.
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FYI - There's no ice cream and gelato group here on MFP, sorry, no need to look for it.DawnieB1977 wrote: »GiveMeCoffee wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »Yep, but it might be her logging isn't accurate, in which case she's not eating 1300.
Exactly so telling her to increase calories isn't going to help.
There's gelato and there's ice cream. Gelato is churned at a much slower rate, incorporating less air and leaving the gelato denser than ice cream. Its texture stays silkier and softer. Because it has a lower percentage of fat than ice cream, the main flavor ingredient really shines through.
I think I put ( if logged accurately) in brackets in my response to her
Thanks for the gelato info, I did wonder. Hmm, now I want some....
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DawnieB1977 wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »Accepting that you logging may not be correct might be the first step to achieving your goal.
^This.
I don't care how much your metabolism is messed up. You body requires a certain amount of energy to survivie. If you were truly eating only 1300 calories per day while also exercising then you should be losing weight.My question was more, how do you know you're in a deficit if you don't know what your TDEE is? "I feel I am in a deficit" is not nearly the same thing as knowing you are.
Based on your numbers, using a typical calculator, you are eating approximately an average person of your age/weight/height who works out 5 days a week's basal metabolic rate. Meaning you are actually undereating. You don't have to eat back your exercise calories, but you do need to give your body the fuel it needs to support the life you are living. Assuming that your work out is 300 calories or so, you would need to eat around 1600 calories give or take.
If you had acute anorexia nervosa as an adolescent, it leaves you at high risk of perpetuating those behaviors throughout life, while considering them normal. The average anorexia patient affects their metabolic process permanently, to a level where to maintain their body moving forward, they tend to need higher levels of calories than most average people.
Have you ever tried increasing your calories modestly? Are you always trying to cut, rather than considering that maybe you aren't eating enough for your activity habits? The closer you get to goal, the more accurate you have to be about these things... It's time to stop explaining the why and how of every suggestion, and actually consider a real change to YOUR habits, rather than looking for an excuse outside of your control.
Just my two cents, from another ED recovery patient to another.
Thanks for that point taken, I have been told I am under eating too, by a nurse. She works for a Dietitian, and she spoke to her about it. I will take your advice on board. Thanks for your honesty.
No, you are not under eating. If you were then you would be losing weight. Stop looking for the answers you want to hear.
At her height and weight she could eat more (so long as it's accurately logged). I lost more weight when I increased my calories from 1200 to 1500.
I'm not sure what you've set MFP to lose, but set it for 1lb a week rather than 2lbs, if that's what you've done.
I appreciate weight loss is probably harder in your 50s. I'm 37 and losing weight after my third baby, and it took me until about 6 months post partum for the weight to start dropping off, despite eating well and exercising since my 6 week check. Hormones are funny!
For me, exercise, especially strength training, is what works and helps me lose weight. Also make sure you take measurements as well as stepping on the scales.
I'm not going to argue or debate over a troll but I will say this, eat at an actual deficit, lose weight. That is how it works for everyone. Not eat to little and stop losing weight or gain weight.
Eat to little and yes you can risk losing lbm but you will still lose weight. Put simply, if I locked you in a basement for 1 month and fed you 800 calories, water and a mulit vitamin, you will lose weight. Guaranteed, 100% of the time. Leave someone in the woods for 7 days, lost and stranded, that person will lose weight no matter who they are. Everyone thinks they are special but the truth is that at the end of the day we're all humans.
Are you talking to me?
I'm not an idiot, I know you need a deficit. I lost 66lbs after my second baby and I've lost a fair bit after my third already, but you can have too big a deficit sometimes. I'm guilty of that myself some days when I net under 1000 calories.
And people may not be 'special' but we all have a different metabolism and lose at different rates. It's stupid to think that our bodies all work in an identical way. I lose better eating lower carb, but that's not true for everyone.
I am talking to you and I never called you an idiot so don't go there. Based in your reply to her below it's safe to say you suggested a calorie increase, that's where this back and forth between us began so let's not back peddle. Yes sometimes people's deficit can be to large and at that point we can see several things happen such as malnutrition, lbm loss and metabolic adaptation. Now on the last point on metabolic adaptation of we had a testing method to give us 100% accuracy of what our TDEE would be after eating a very small amount of calories and our bodies adapt then our deficit evaporates and we can end up back at maintenance while eating bottom feed calories. Now we want to lose weight, another caloric reduction has to happen. But now we are getting poor nutrition so that would be a stupid thing to do but right now I'm talking about weight loss not proper nutrition. They are two separate entities. So this whole you are eating to little to lose weight spewing that goes on in the forums is just misguided theories that people have. It's time to wake up.DawnieB1977 wrote: »
Yes, we know you are.I'm special
The question is, who let you out? Did you chew through the ropes again?GiveMeCoffee wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »Accepting that you logging may not be correct might be the first step to achieving your goal.
^This.
I don't care how much your metabolism is messed up. You body requires a certain amount of energy to survivie. If you were truly eating only 1300 calories per day while also exercising then you should be losing weight.My question was more, how do you know you're in a deficit if you don't know what your TDEE is? "I feel I am in a deficit" is not nearly the same thing as knowing you are.
Based on your numbers, using a typical calculator, you are eating approximately an average person of your age/weight/height who works out 5 days a week's basal metabolic rate. Meaning you are actually undereating. You don't have to eat back your exercise calories, but you do need to give your body the fuel it needs to support the life you are living. Assuming that your work out is 300 calories or so, you would need to eat around 1600 calories give or take.
If you had acute anorexia nervosa as an adolescent, it leaves you at high risk of perpetuating those behaviors throughout life, while considering them normal. The average anorexia patient affects their metabolic process permanently, to a level where to maintain their body moving forward, they tend to need higher levels of calories than most average people.
Have you ever tried increasing your calories modestly? Are you always trying to cut, rather than considering that maybe you aren't eating enough for your activity habits? The closer you get to goal, the more accurate you have to be about these things... It's time to stop explaining the why and how of every suggestion, and actually consider a real change to YOUR habits, rather than looking for an excuse outside of your control.
Just my two cents, from another ED recovery patient to another.
Thanks for that point taken, I have been told I am under eating too, by a nurse. She works for a Dietitian, and she spoke to her about it. I will take your advice on board. Thanks for your honesty.
No, you are not under eating. If you were then you would be losing weight. Stop looking for the answers you want to hear.
At her height and weight she could eat more (so long as it's accurately logged). I lost more weight when I increased my calories from 1200 to 1500.
I'm not sure what you've set MFP to lose, but set it for 1lb a week rather than 2lbs, if that's what you've done.
I appreciate weight loss is probably harder in your 50s. I'm 37 and losing weight after my third baby, and it took me until about 6 months post partum for the weight to start dropping off, despite eating well and exercising since my 6 week check. Hormones are funny!
For me, exercise, especially strength training, is what works and helps me lose weight. Also make sure you take measurements as well as stepping on the scales.
I'm not going to argue or debate over a troll but I will say this, eat at an actual deficit, lose weight. That is how it works for everyone. Not eat to little and stop losing weight or gain weight.
Eat to little and yes you can risk losing lbm but you will still lose weight. Put simply, if I locked you in a basement for 1 month and fed you 800 calories, water and a mulit vitamin, you will lose weight. Guaranteed, 100% of the time. Leave someone in the woods for 7 days, lost and stranded, that person will lose weight no matter who they are. Everyone thinks they are special but the truth is that at the end of the day we're all humans.
Are you locking people in the basement again? Can you feed me 800 calories of pizza thanks!
Dawnie, I have a question for you, have you ever seen a contestant participate in the TV show Survivor, make it 25 or 30 days or to the end and come back fatter??
Ffs, at what point did I say you wouldn't lose weight eating at a deficit? I just said that eating more helps sometimes as it did for me. (As in eating more than you were, not eating more than maintenance).
And these contestants, once they get home will probably regain the weight anyway.
P.S your locking people in the basement example...worrying!!
Yes, they will gain weight. Why? Because of the same adaptation I spoke of above. Now they start eating and back comes the glycogen and fat. I don't think I need to break this down further.
And the basement comment, feel free to harp on that if you please, I know that's a beautiful tactic people like to do around here, harp on a statement they find creepy or weird and try to discredit the author. But at the end of the day the example is valid not matter if you like it or not.
And my comment about your basement comment was a PS at the end of my post, nothing to do with the rest of your post, or mine, and was just meant to be jokey. You don't have much of a sense of humour, do you? You're very defensive.
All I said was she may need to eat more SO LONG AS IT'S ACCURATELY LOGGED. We all know you need a deficit, stop acting like you're the only person who knows this.
Now I remember why I don't like threads like this and would never, ever ask for advice on the forums (except for the mums with babies ones) because of people like you who are rude and think you're an expert and that everyone else is stupid!-2 -
DawnieB1977 wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »Accepting that you logging may not be correct might be the first step to achieving your goal.
^This.
I don't care how much your metabolism is messed up. You body requires a certain amount of energy to survivie. If you were truly eating only 1300 calories per day while also exercising then you should be losing weight.My question was more, how do you know you're in a deficit if you don't know what your TDEE is? "I feel I am in a deficit" is not nearly the same thing as knowing you are.
Based on your numbers, using a typical calculator, you are eating approximately an average person of your age/weight/height who works out 5 days a week's basal metabolic rate. Meaning you are actually undereating. You don't have to eat back your exercise calories, but you do need to give your body the fuel it needs to support the life you are living. Assuming that your work out is 300 calories or so, you would need to eat around 1600 calories give or take.
If you had acute anorexia nervosa as an adolescent, it leaves you at high risk of perpetuating those behaviors throughout life, while considering them normal. The average anorexia patient affects their metabolic process permanently, to a level where to maintain their body moving forward, they tend to need higher levels of calories than most average people.
Have you ever tried increasing your calories modestly? Are you always trying to cut, rather than considering that maybe you aren't eating enough for your activity habits? The closer you get to goal, the more accurate you have to be about these things... It's time to stop explaining the why and how of every suggestion, and actually consider a real change to YOUR habits, rather than looking for an excuse outside of your control.
Just my two cents, from another ED recovery patient to another.
Thanks for that point taken, I have been told I am under eating too, by a nurse. She works for a Dietitian, and she spoke to her about it. I will take your advice on board. Thanks for your honesty.
No, you are not under eating. If you were then you would be losing weight. Stop looking for the answers you want to hear.
At her height and weight she could eat more (so long as it's accurately logged). I lost more weight when I increased my calories from 1200 to 1500.
I'm not sure what you've set MFP to lose, but set it for 1lb a week rather than 2lbs, if that's what you've done.
I appreciate weight loss is probably harder in your 50s. I'm 37 and losing weight after my third baby, and it took me until about 6 months post partum for the weight to start dropping off, despite eating well and exercising since my 6 week check. Hormones are funny!
For me, exercise, especially strength training, is what works and helps me lose weight. Also make sure you take measurements as well as stepping on the scales.
I'm not going to argue or debate over a troll but I will say this, eat at an actual deficit, lose weight. That is how it works for everyone. Not eat to little and stop losing weight or gain weight.
Eat to little and yes you can risk losing lbm but you will still lose weight. Put simply, if I locked you in a basement for 1 month and fed you 800 calories, water and a mulit vitamin, you will lose weight. Guaranteed, 100% of the time. Leave someone in the woods for 7 days, lost and stranded, that person will lose weight no matter who they are. Everyone thinks they are special but the truth is that at the end of the day we're all humans.
Are you talking to me?
I'm not an idiot, I know you need a deficit. I lost 66lbs after my second baby and I've lost a fair bit after my third already, but you can have too big a deficit sometimes. I'm guilty of that myself some days when I net under 1000 calories.
And people may not be 'special' but we all have a different metabolism and lose at different rates. It's stupid to think that our bodies all work in an identical way. I lose better eating lower carb, but that's not true for everyone.
I am talking to you and I never called you an idiot so don't go there. Based in your reply to her below it's safe to say you suggested a calorie increase, that's where this back and forth between us began so let's not back peddle. Yes sometimes people's deficit can be to large and at that point we can see several things happen such as malnutrition, lbm loss and metabolic adaptation. Now on the last point on metabolic adaptation of we had a testing method to give us 100% accuracy of what our TDEE would be after eating a very small amount of calories and our bodies adapt then our deficit evaporates and we can end up back at maintenance while eating bottom feed calories. Now we want to lose weight, another caloric reduction has to happen. But now we are getting poor nutrition so that would be a stupid thing to do but right now I'm talking about weight loss not proper nutrition. They are two separate entities. So this whole you are eating to little to lose weight spewing that goes on in the forums is just misguided theories that people have. It's time to wake up.DawnieB1977 wrote: »
Yes, we know you are.I'm special
The question is, who let you out? Did you chew through the ropes again?GiveMeCoffee wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »Accepting that you logging may not be correct might be the first step to achieving your goal.
^This.
I don't care how much your metabolism is messed up. You body requires a certain amount of energy to survivie. If you were truly eating only 1300 calories per day while also exercising then you should be losing weight.My question was more, how do you know you're in a deficit if you don't know what your TDEE is? "I feel I am in a deficit" is not nearly the same thing as knowing you are.
Based on your numbers, using a typical calculator, you are eating approximately an average person of your age/weight/height who works out 5 days a week's basal metabolic rate. Meaning you are actually undereating. You don't have to eat back your exercise calories, but you do need to give your body the fuel it needs to support the life you are living. Assuming that your work out is 300 calories or so, you would need to eat around 1600 calories give or take.
If you had acute anorexia nervosa as an adolescent, it leaves you at high risk of perpetuating those behaviors throughout life, while considering them normal. The average anorexia patient affects their metabolic process permanently, to a level where to maintain their body moving forward, they tend to need higher levels of calories than most average people.
Have you ever tried increasing your calories modestly? Are you always trying to cut, rather than considering that maybe you aren't eating enough for your activity habits? The closer you get to goal, the more accurate you have to be about these things... It's time to stop explaining the why and how of every suggestion, and actually consider a real change to YOUR habits, rather than looking for an excuse outside of your control.
Just my two cents, from another ED recovery patient to another.
Thanks for that point taken, I have been told I am under eating too, by a nurse. She works for a Dietitian, and she spoke to her about it. I will take your advice on board. Thanks for your honesty.
No, you are not under eating. If you were then you would be losing weight. Stop looking for the answers you want to hear.
At her height and weight she could eat more (so long as it's accurately logged). I lost more weight when I increased my calories from 1200 to 1500.
I'm not sure what you've set MFP to lose, but set it for 1lb a week rather than 2lbs, if that's what you've done.
I appreciate weight loss is probably harder in your 50s. I'm 37 and losing weight after my third baby, and it took me until about 6 months post partum for the weight to start dropping off, despite eating well and exercising since my 6 week check. Hormones are funny!
For me, exercise, especially strength training, is what works and helps me lose weight. Also make sure you take measurements as well as stepping on the scales.
I'm not going to argue or debate over a troll but I will say this, eat at an actual deficit, lose weight. That is how it works for everyone. Not eat to little and stop losing weight or gain weight.
Eat to little and yes you can risk losing lbm but you will still lose weight. Put simply, if I locked you in a basement for 1 month and fed you 800 calories, water and a mulit vitamin, you will lose weight. Guaranteed, 100% of the time. Leave someone in the woods for 7 days, lost and stranded, that person will lose weight no matter who they are. Everyone thinks they are special but the truth is that at the end of the day we're all humans.
Are you locking people in the basement again? Can you feed me 800 calories of pizza thanks!
Dawnie, I have a question for you, have you ever seen a contestant participate in the TV show Survivor, make it 25 or 30 days or to the end and come back fatter??
Ffs, at what point did I say you wouldn't lose weight eating at a deficit? I just said that eating more helps sometimes as it did for me. (As in eating more than you were, not eating more than maintenance).
And these contestants, once they get home will probably regain the weight anyway.
P.S your locking people in the basement example...worrying!!
Yes, they will gain weight. Why? Because of the same adaptation I spoke of above. Now they start eating and back comes the glycogen and fat. I don't think I need to break this down further.
And the basement comment, feel free to harp on that if you please, I know that's a beautiful tactic people like to do around here, harp on a statement they find creepy or weird and try to discredit the author. But at the end of the day the example is valid not matter if you like it or not.
And my comment about your basement comment was a PS at the end of my post, nothing to do with the rest of your post, or mine, and was just meant to be jokey. You don't have much of a sense of humour, do you? You're very defensive.
All I said was she may need to eat more SO LONG AS IT'S ACCURATELY LOGGED. We all know you need a deficit, stop acting like you're the only person who knows this.
Now I remember why I don't like threads like this and would never, ever ask for advice on the forums (except for the mums with babies ones) because of people like you who are rude and think you're an expert and that everyone else is stupid!
But see that's the thing, she's obviously not because she would be losing so suggesting to raise calories is bad advice.
As a friend of MrM he has a wicked sense of humor but a low tolerance for BS and bad advice. Also seems you enjoy flagging as only his comments are flagged, they are not spam and not against any TOS so stop the flagging because you don't like his delivery0 -
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Evette5683 wrote: »I am shocked I didnt see post about water intake. Maybe I missed it.
Double your water intake and add a bowl of fresh homemade veggie soup or decaf tea to every meal for two weeks you will be amazed at the results.
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Nobody wants to be told they aren't logging correctly, but we see a ton of posts every day from people who aren't losing even though they're barely eating & exercising like crazy. It would be nice if there was a pill or hormone or secret password that guaranteed weight loss.
Truth is, it's a math problem not a food problem. Sorry. Weigh your food. Be brutally honest with yourself even if you aren't with anyone else. Buy a heart rate monitor. Use that & forget about the calorie burns listed in MFP. Don't include housework or other things you do as a regular part of your day. You have probably included those things when you set up your activity level. Lift weights to preserve muscle mass. You will look & feel better.
Good luck.
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^^ that.
and you need to EAT to be healthy. Just eat right.0 -
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I would go to the doctor and have some blood tests to check thyroid levels and similar issues like anemia, vitamin D deficiency, low calcium, etc. My thyroid bit the dust in my late thirties and there was no weight loss possible under any circumstances until I got the correct medication. I am menopausing now but doing fine at a slow and steady pace with weight loss and fitness. You also have to make sure to get enough rest. This seems to be a sleepier time of life for some reason.0
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DawnieB1977 wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »Accepting that you logging may not be correct might be the first step to achieving your goal.
^This.
I don't care how much your metabolism is messed up. You body requires a certain amount of energy to survivie. If you were truly eating only 1300 calories per day while also exercising then you should be losing weight.My question was more, how do you know you're in a deficit if you don't know what your TDEE is? "I feel I am in a deficit" is not nearly the same thing as knowing you are.
Based on your numbers, using a typical calculator, you are eating approximately an average person of your age/weight/height who works out 5 days a week's basal metabolic rate. Meaning you are actually undereating. You don't have to eat back your exercise calories, but you do need to give your body the fuel it needs to support the life you are living. Assuming that your work out is 300 calories or so, you would need to eat around 1600 calories give or take.
If you had acute anorexia nervosa as an adolescent, it leaves you at high risk of perpetuating those behaviors throughout life, while considering them normal. The average anorexia patient affects their metabolic process permanently, to a level where to maintain their body moving forward, they tend to need higher levels of calories than most average people.
Have you ever tried increasing your calories modestly? Are you always trying to cut, rather than considering that maybe you aren't eating enough for your activity habits? The closer you get to goal, the more accurate you have to be about these things... It's time to stop explaining the why and how of every suggestion, and actually consider a real change to YOUR habits, rather than looking for an excuse outside of your control.
Just my two cents, from another ED recovery patient to another.
Thanks for that point taken, I have been told I am under eating too, by a nurse. She works for a Dietitian, and she spoke to her about it. I will take your advice on board. Thanks for your honesty.
No, you are not under eating. If you were then you would be losing weight. Stop looking for the answers you want to hear.
At her height and weight she could eat more (so long as it's accurately logged). I lost more weight when I increased my calories from 1200 to 1500.
I'm not sure what you've set MFP to lose, but set it for 1lb a week rather than 2lbs, if that's what you've done.
I appreciate weight loss is probably harder in your 50s. I'm 37 and losing weight after my third baby, and it took me until about 6 months post partum for the weight to start dropping off, despite eating well and exercising since my 6 week check. Hormones are funny!
For me, exercise, especially strength training, is what works and helps me lose weight. Also make sure you take measurements as well as stepping on the scales.
I'm not going to argue or debate over a troll but I will say this, eat at an actual deficit, lose weight. That is how it works for everyone. Not eat to little and stop losing weight or gain weight.
Eat to little and yes you can risk losing lbm but you will still lose weight. Put simply, if I locked you in a basement for 1 month and fed you 800 calories, water and a mulit vitamin, you will lose weight. Guaranteed, 100% of the time. Leave someone in the woods for 7 days, lost and stranded, that person will lose weight no matter who they are. Everyone thinks they are special but the truth is that at the end of the day we're all humans.
Are you talking to me?
I'm not an idiot, I know you need a deficit. I lost 66lbs after my second baby and I've lost a fair bit after my third already, but you can have too big a deficit sometimes. I'm guilty of that myself some days when I net under 1000 calories.
And people may not be 'special' but we all have a different metabolism and lose at different rates. It's stupid to think that our bodies all work in an identical way. I lose better eating lower carb, but that's not true for everyone.
I am talking to you and I never called you an idiot so don't go there. Based in your reply to her below it's safe to say you suggested a calorie increase, that's where this back and forth between us began so let's not back peddle. Yes sometimes people's deficit can be to large and at that point we can see several things happen such as malnutrition, lbm loss and metabolic adaptation. Now on the last point on metabolic adaptation of we had a testing method to give us 100% accuracy of what our TDEE would be after eating a very small amount of calories and our bodies adapt then our deficit evaporates and we can end up back at maintenance while eating bottom feed calories. Now we want to lose weight, another caloric reduction has to happen. But now we are getting poor nutrition so that would be a stupid thing to do but right now I'm talking about weight loss not proper nutrition. They are two separate entities. So this whole you are eating to little to lose weight spewing that goes on in the forums is just misguided theories that people have. It's time to wake up.DawnieB1977 wrote: »
Yes, we know you are.I'm special
The question is, who let you out? Did you chew through the ropes again?GiveMeCoffee wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »Accepting that you logging may not be correct might be the first step to achieving your goal.
^This.
I don't care how much your metabolism is messed up. You body requires a certain amount of energy to survivie. If you were truly eating only 1300 calories per day while also exercising then you should be losing weight.My question was more, how do you know you're in a deficit if you don't know what your TDEE is? "I feel I am in a deficit" is not nearly the same thing as knowing you are.
Based on your numbers, using a typical calculator, you are eating approximately an average person of your age/weight/height who works out 5 days a week's basal metabolic rate. Meaning you are actually undereating. You don't have to eat back your exercise calories, but you do need to give your body the fuel it needs to support the life you are living. Assuming that your work out is 300 calories or so, you would need to eat around 1600 calories give or take.
If you had acute anorexia nervosa as an adolescent, it leaves you at high risk of perpetuating those behaviors throughout life, while considering them normal. The average anorexia patient affects their metabolic process permanently, to a level where to maintain their body moving forward, they tend to need higher levels of calories than most average people.
Have you ever tried increasing your calories modestly? Are you always trying to cut, rather than considering that maybe you aren't eating enough for your activity habits? The closer you get to goal, the more accurate you have to be about these things... It's time to stop explaining the why and how of every suggestion, and actually consider a real change to YOUR habits, rather than looking for an excuse outside of your control.
Just my two cents, from another ED recovery patient to another.
Thanks for that point taken, I have been told I am under eating too, by a nurse. She works for a Dietitian, and she spoke to her about it. I will take your advice on board. Thanks for your honesty.
No, you are not under eating. If you were then you would be losing weight. Stop looking for the answers you want to hear.
At her height and weight she could eat more (so long as it's accurately logged). I lost more weight when I increased my calories from 1200 to 1500.
I'm not sure what you've set MFP to lose, but set it for 1lb a week rather than 2lbs, if that's what you've done.
I appreciate weight loss is probably harder in your 50s. I'm 37 and losing weight after my third baby, and it took me until about 6 months post partum for the weight to start dropping off, despite eating well and exercising since my 6 week check. Hormones are funny!
For me, exercise, especially strength training, is what works and helps me lose weight. Also make sure you take measurements as well as stepping on the scales.
I'm not going to argue or debate over a troll but I will say this, eat at an actual deficit, lose weight. That is how it works for everyone. Not eat to little and stop losing weight or gain weight.
Eat to little and yes you can risk losing lbm but you will still lose weight. Put simply, if I locked you in a basement for 1 month and fed you 800 calories, water and a mulit vitamin, you will lose weight. Guaranteed, 100% of the time. Leave someone in the woods for 7 days, lost and stranded, that person will lose weight no matter who they are. Everyone thinks they are special but the truth is that at the end of the day we're all humans.
Are you locking people in the basement again? Can you feed me 800 calories of pizza thanks!
Dawnie, I have a question for you, have you ever seen a contestant participate in the TV show Survivor, make it 25 or 30 days or to the end and come back fatter??
Ffs, at what point did I say you wouldn't lose weight eating at a deficit? I just said that eating more helps sometimes as it did for me. (As in eating more than you were, not eating more than maintenance).
And these contestants, once they get home will probably regain the weight anyway.
P.S your locking people in the basement example...worrying!!
Yes, they will gain weight. Why? Because of the same adaptation I spoke of above. Now they start eating and back comes the glycogen and fat. I don't think I need to break this down further.
And the basement comment, feel free to harp on that if you please, I know that's a beautiful tactic people like to do around here, harp on a statement they find creepy or weird and try to discredit the author. But at the end of the day the example is valid not matter if you like it or not.
And my comment about your basement comment was a PS at the end of my post, nothing to do with the rest of your post, or mine, and was just meant to be jokey. You don't have much of a sense of humour, do you? You're very defensive.
All I said was she may need to eat more SO LONG AS IT'S ACCURATELY LOGGED. We all know you need a deficit, stop acting like you're the only person who knows this.
Now I remember why I don't like threads like this and would never, ever ask for advice on the forums (except for the mums with babies ones) because of people like you who are rude and think you're an expert and that everyone else is stupid!
I don't think MrM is rude. He is direct, but he isn't condescending or contemptuous. I'd rather have posters say, "Stop, don't fall back on answers that sound like what you want to hear" than tons of GIFS or Fine, JSF. I read his comments with a personal trainer kind of tone.
He's not on my friend's list, I'm just white knighting due to boredom from being sick.0 -
I've seen your advice before and it's not the first time you've said "You need to eat more" so let's not rephrase it now. Ok, so mothers with babies are the only good ones huh? Sounds like the members that say "You don't get it because you're not over 60 years old" blah blah blah.
Also, don't worry, the block user feature will be back soon, you can use it on me right away. Order will be restored.
And no I don't think I'm the only smart one and everyone is stupid. But there sure are plenty of people that lack critical thinking skills and common sense. [/quote]
I have a confession...when I began MFP a year ago, MrM was one of my least favorites. Yes, I even hid him. Now I realize I just didn't get it at the time. I was 47 and thought it was due to my age...I was eating "healthy", exercising... blah blah blah. He is 100% correct. He is the one giving you the advice you should be listening to. When I finally realized it wasn't the carbs, or the sugars and truly began eating at a deficit, I began losing. I had my calories set at around 1200. I set it low since I wanted to account for error. I probably ate around 1300-1500. Now at maintenance I can eat around 1700. Listen to him, he tells it like it is. A*s kissing over.0 -
I would go to the doctor and have some blood tests to check thyroid levels and similar issues like anemia, vitamin D deficiency, low calcium, etc. My thyroid bit the dust in my late thirties and there was no weight loss possible under any circumstances until I got the correct medication. I am menopausing now but doing fine at a slow and steady pace with weight loss and fitness. You also have to make sure to get enough rest. This seems to be a sleepier time of life for some reason.
Another senseless post to absolve the troll P from personal responsibility.
Nothing to do with weight loss.
Um... I can't even formulate a response to this.
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If op is doing all the right things, but weight isn't changing.
Is op doing all the right things?0 -
I would go to the doctor and have some blood tests to check thyroid levels and similar issues like anemia, vitamin D deficiency, low calcium, etc. My thyroid bit the dust in my late thirties and there was no weight loss possible under any circumstances until I got the correct medication. I am menopausing now but doing fine at a slow and steady pace with weight loss and fitness. You also have to make sure to get enough rest. This seems to be a sleepier time of life for some reason.
Another senseless post to absolve the troll P from personal responsibility.
Nothing to do with weight loss.
Um... I can't even formulate a response to this.
Why because it's true, you don't need to eat healthy to lose weight you need a deficit. Now I'm not saying there are not advantages to watching macros, but to lose weight it's all about the deficit.
For the past 3 weeks due to surgery I am living on protein shakes and ice cream and I've lost 7 lbs do I recommend it no, but it all comes down to being in a deficit to lose weight.0 -
haha Nope. Thought it's a learning curve for a lot of people - how to eat right.0
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GiveMeCoffee wrote: »I would go to the doctor and have some blood tests to check thyroid levels and similar issues like anemia, vitamin D deficiency, low calcium, etc. My thyroid bit the dust in my late thirties and there was no weight loss possible under any circumstances until I got the correct medication. I am menopausing now but doing fine at a slow and steady pace with weight loss and fitness. You also have to make sure to get enough rest. This seems to be a sleepier time of life for some reason.
Another senseless post to absolve the troll P from personal responsibility.
Nothing to do with weight loss.
Um... I can't even formulate a response to this.
Why because it's true, you don't need to eat healthy to lose weight you need a deficit. Now I'm not saying there are not advantages to watching macros, but to lose weight it's all about the deficit.
For the past 3 weeks due to surgery I am living on protein shakes and ice cream and I've lost 7 lbs do I recommend it no, but it all comes down to being in a deficit to lose weight.
Yes I'm aware you need a deficit. But you are not healthy if you are eating *kitten* all the time at a deficit or not.0 -
GiveMeCoffee wrote: »I would go to the doctor and have some blood tests to check thyroid levels and similar issues like anemia, vitamin D deficiency, low calcium, etc. My thyroid bit the dust in my late thirties and there was no weight loss possible under any circumstances until I got the correct medication. I am menopausing now but doing fine at a slow and steady pace with weight loss and fitness. You also have to make sure to get enough rest. This seems to be a sleepier time of life for some reason.
Another senseless post to absolve the troll P from personal responsibility.
Nothing to do with weight loss.
Um... I can't even formulate a response to this.
Why because it's true, you don't need to eat healthy to lose weight you need a deficit. Now I'm not saying there are not advantages to watching macros, but to lose weight it's all about the deficit.
For the past 3 weeks due to surgery I am living on protein shakes and ice cream and I've lost 7 lbs do I recommend it no, but it all comes down to being in a deficit to lose weight.
Yes I'm aware you need a deficit. But you are not healthy if you are eating *kitten* all the time at a deficit or not.
How do you know?
If one can eat like a goat, but has pristine blood labs, who are you to say they are not healthy?0 -
Ok keep eating your McDonalds 0
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GiveMeCoffee wrote: »I would go to the doctor and have some blood tests to check thyroid levels and similar issues like anemia, vitamin D deficiency, low calcium, etc. My thyroid bit the dust in my late thirties and there was no weight loss possible under any circumstances until I got the correct medication. I am menopausing now but doing fine at a slow and steady pace with weight loss and fitness. You also have to make sure to get enough rest. This seems to be a sleepier time of life for some reason.
Another senseless post to absolve the troll P from personal responsibility.
Nothing to do with weight loss.
Um... I can't even formulate a response to this.
Why because it's true, you don't need to eat healthy to lose weight you need a deficit. Now I'm not saying there are not advantages to watching macros, but to lose weight it's all about the deficit.
For the past 3 weeks due to surgery I am living on protein shakes and ice cream and I've lost 7 lbs do I recommend it no, but it all comes down to being in a deficit to lose weight.
Yes I'm aware you need a deficit. But you are not healthy if you are eating *kitten* all the time at a deficit or not.
Really? Well my blood work and other tests haven't been better. But again we are discussing weight loss that is strictly a deficit and again a comment like "Eat right" is different for everyone dependent on their goals0 -
meh...eat right is a vague term at best. Some people think granola bars are eating right & some people think eating no chemicals or organic or vegan is eating right. None of that is going to make you lose weight unless you're in a deficit.
Catic32...I understand what you mean, but just saying "eat right" convinces people they can eat a million things that are not as healthy as they think & perfectly healthy food in portion sizes that will prevent weight loss. I think the OP is most concerned with lack of weight loss.0 -
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lauraripson wrote: »
That's just because you weigh in in the mornings. It's likely water weight from last night's food. If you give yourself more time between eating and digesting, naturally you'll see a bigger weight drop. But over time there should really be no difference, assuming you're eating the same amount of calories.
Unless you're prone to grazing in the evening, which leads you to eat more than your allotted calories.0 -
pscarolina wrote: »meh...eat right is a vague term at best. Some people think granola bars are eating right & some people think eating no chemicals or organic or vegan is eating right. None of that is going to make you lose weight unless you're in a deficit.
Catic32...I understand what you mean, but just saying "eat right" convinces people they can eat a million things that are not as healthy as they think & perfectly healthy food in portion sizes that will prevent weight loss. I think the OP is most concerned with lack of weight loss.
Yes I agree for a lot of people it is vague as most people do not understand how to eat.
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How are we supposed to eat??pscarolina wrote: »meh...eat right is a vague term at best. Some people think granola bars are eating right & some people think eating no chemicals or organic or vegan is eating right. None of that is going to make you lose weight unless you're in a deficit.
Catic32...I understand what you mean, but just saying "eat right" convinces people they can eat a million things that are not as healthy as they think & perfectly healthy food in portion sizes that will prevent weight loss. I think the OP is most concerned with lack of weight loss.
Yes I agree for a lot of people it is vague as most people do not understand how to eat.
I typically eat with a fork, spoon or fingers depending on what is appropriate per food choice? Am I missing something
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