Where have all the healthy eaters gone?
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I eat what I want, I just do it in moderation. I eat more veggies and actual meals than I use to so that is an improvement. I will say this though, any diet I have ever been on before has never worked for me because it was too restrictive. If others can stick to a no this and no that diet and actually be happy, then I admire them and applaud them. I just know that I quit diets that do not include things I like. I have lost almost 35 lbs in 6 months doing it this way and not likely to change it. I am doing great with what I am doing in my opinion and been more successful than ever.0
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Thorsmom05 wrote: »Define what you think healthy eating is????
*pass the captain crunch to me! I'll be glad to eat it!
But I want cocoa puffs!
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I don't do it in every thread. Not even most threads. I'd also be delighted to be proved wrong. I will happily announce that there is no bullying going on. I'll be all, "I am the wrongest of wrong people. Nobody is bullying anyone."
It shouldn't be done at all. People can disagree. People can refuse bad advice. People can even be dead wrong. That's all okay.blktngldhrt wrote: »
Its not about me. It's done all the time, to many people.
Better behaved.GiveMeCoffee wrote: »
That would consist of not asking seemingly-innocent questions in order to get a response so that they can start with the mocking, name-calling, insulting and "I'm so much better and smarter than you are" bull.
Not bullying.
get over yourself …
you come into every thread and white knight it about bullying and people not
"behaving" just because you have some impression that you are being "bullied"…when the majority of the time you are being called out for an inaccurate statement and then you perceive that as "bullying" ..
*eye roll*
So many people leave here - or won't even post - because of it.
When people stop with the insults, mocking, name-calling and public announcements of they're all laughing at someone, I will cease to say they are bullying others.
I feel like it's only done (for the most part) to people who, when given sound information about how what they're spouting is ill-informed, react in a defensive manner and completely disregard the advice given.
If that group went one week without mocking or personally attacking anyone, I'd be delighted to say, "I'm wrong. There isn't a group of Internet bullies on the forums." Delighted!
And if you went one week without derailing every clean eating, LCHF, paleo, etc with a divisive warning to the OP that "The bullies are coming! They're going to mock you!" before anyone has said anything even remotely controversial, the rest of the community would be delighted. Probably the mods, too.
I'll start a thread just so everyone can say, "You are the wrongest of wrong people. An entire week, no bullying to be found."
Please start that thread.
- we are all adults
- there is no power imbalance
- people are here voluntarily
There's no bullying here.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »
Oh and sugar puffs are better than coco pops!
Lies.
Probably lies - I got information from one of the upper management at Honey Monster foods (yes they are actually called that).
I'd rather have a bowl of Coco Pops.
I heard that from a talking monkey once...so it must be true!
Yeah right and I bet he told you it would turn the milk chocolaty as well!!!
Wait a second. He did! The scoundrel!
Now, I'm seriously beginning to wonder if the talking animals in the Um Bongo ad were lying to me as well. My childhood was a lie!
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I don't do it in every thread. Not even most threads. I'd also be delighted to be proved wrong. I will happily announce that there is no bullying going on. I'll be all, "I am the wrongest of wrong people. Nobody is bullying anyone."
It shouldn't be done at all. People can disagree. People can refuse bad advice. People can even be dead wrong. That's all okay.blktngldhrt wrote: »
Its not about me. It's done all the time, to many people.
Better behaved.GiveMeCoffee wrote: »
That would consist of not asking seemingly-innocent questions in order to get a response so that they can start with the mocking, name-calling, insulting and "I'm so much better and smarter than you are" bull.
Not bullying.
get over yourself …
you come into every thread and white knight it about bullying and people not
"behaving" just because you have some impression that you are being "bullied"…when the majority of the time you are being called out for an inaccurate statement and then you perceive that as "bullying" ..
*eye roll*
So many people leave here - or won't even post - because of it.
When people stop with the insults, mocking, name-calling and public announcements of they're all laughing at someone, I will cease to say they are bullying others.
I feel like it's only done (for the most part) to people who, when given sound information about how what they're spouting is ill-informed, react in a defensive manner and completely disregard the advice given.
If that group went one week without mocking or personally attacking anyone, I'd be delighted to say, "I'm wrong. There isn't a group of Internet bullies on the forums." Delighted!
And if you went one week without derailing every clean eating, LCHF, paleo, etc with a divisive warning to the OP that "The bullies are coming! They're going to mock you!" before anyone has said anything even remotely controversial, the rest of the community would be delighted. Probably the mods, too.
I'll start a thread just so everyone can say, "You are the wrongest of wrong people. An entire week, no bullying to be found."
You really throw that bully thing around way too often. We are online having discussions, just because you don't like what is being said it is NOT bullying. Grow up0 -
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For extreme examples of diets that have never been uttered in here.....once.
Oh and for scolding about personal attacks from those who love to present their's passive aggressively.
And you're all wrong. It's Frosted Flakes with milk that's been in the freezer just long enough to start icing over.0 -
The problem we see here is that "clean eaters" get very dogmatic about it. You see things like yesterday regarding captain crunch - a clean eater told a very ripped gentleman that if he ate captain crunch he would never be able to win a fitness competition (or something along those lines)
Someone in this thread posted that no processing except cutting, cleaning and cooking equals clean, but I'd bet anything that they don't consider tortilla chips and potato chips to be clean - even though they fit that definition.
I lump clean eating in with zero tolerance policies - they are for people who see the world in black and white, do not recognize grey areas, and prefer not to think.
I'm assuming you mean me, the vegetable oils that potato chips are cooked in are certainly not "clean" by any definition. Actually my use of those processes was just highlighting the fact that "process" is not a dirty word.0 -
Look, I guess my point in all this tomfoolery is that if we all spent a little more time considering where the other person was coming from and tried to be a little less serious we all might have a better time.
Peace out cubscouts.0 -
toofatnomore wrote: »Not sure I will ever get the concept that if soda and Captain crunch fit into your macos and calorie allotment that they are ok...and dont try to convince me...
I don't understand why it wouldn't be ok. If a person can fit them in and has had a pretty balanced diet the rest of the day, why shouldn't they be able to have captain crunch and coke? If there's a medical condition..fine..they shouldn't eat it. Otherwise, everyone is entitled to eat what they like..and that's ok.
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For extreme examples of diets that have never been uttered in here.....once.
Oh and for scolding about personal attacks from those who love to present their's passive aggressively.
And you're all wrong. It's Frosted Flakes with milk that's been in the freezer just long enough to start icing over.
I'm intrigued. and just enough that I will purchase Frosted Flakes0 -
The problem we see here is that "clean eaters" get very dogmatic about it. You see things like yesterday regarding captain crunch - a clean eater told a very ripped gentleman that if he ate captain crunch he would never be able to win a fitness competition (or something along those lines)
Someone in this thread posted that no processing except cutting, cleaning and cooking equals clean, but I'd bet anything that they don't consider tortilla chips and potato chips to be clean - even though they fit that definition.
I lump clean eating in with zero tolerance policies - they are for people who see the world in black and white, do not recognize grey areas, and prefer not to think.
I'm assuming you mean me, the vegetable oils that potato chips are cooked in are certainly not "clean" by any definition. Actually my use of those processes was just highlighting the fact that "process" is not a dirty word.
OIL BAD, DUR DUR DUR. I get it. Re-read my last sentence.
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blktngldhrt wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The healthy eaters are still here, and most still eat healthy, it's just that the focus has shifted from discussing nutrient-rich foods to discussing the ability to eat some of the less nutrient-rich ones in moderation.
If you take a look at the diaries of some of the people who speak captain crunch and soda, you will see some captain crunch and soda + a variety of meats, vegetables, fruits and nuts.
Well, yeah. Most people are probably doing exactly the same thing in reality but the focus of the discussion has shifted over time.
The people on the extremes still remain in the minority from what I can gather.
Finally, I want to know who would win in a fight: Capn Crunch or the Honey Monster.
So Capn Crunch is a short, older man but well he's got a battleship I assume and he's human so hence is capable of killing for no valid reason
and the Honey Monster is a monster but seems to be obsessed with talking to mummies
I reckon the Capn
He's not really a captain.
WHAT? but his title....His hat.....0 -
The problem we see here is that "clean eaters" get very dogmatic about it. You see things like yesterday regarding captain crunch - a clean eater told a very ripped gentleman that if he ate captain crunch he would never be able to win a fitness competition (or something along those lines)
Someone in this thread posted that no processing except cutting, cleaning and cooking equals clean, but I'd bet anything that they don't consider tortilla chips and potato chips to be clean - even though they fit that definition.
I lump clean eating in with zero tolerance policies - they are for people who see the world in black and white, do not recognize grey areas, and prefer not to think.
I'm assuming you mean me, the vegetable oils that potato chips are cooked in are certainly not "clean" by any definition. Actually my use of those processes was just highlighting the fact that "process" is not a dirty word.
OIL BAD, DUR DUR DUR. I get it. Re-read my last sentence.
no, not oil bad, but chemically processed oils aren't part of 100% clean are they? pls re-read mine. I am not one of those people.
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GiveMeCoffee wrote: »toofatnomore wrote: »Not sure I will ever get the concept that if soda and Captain crunch fit into your macos and calorie allotment that they are ok...and dont try to convince me...
Why aren't they okay?? What's going to happen? If I fit soda & Captain crunch in after I eat my veggies & protein did it contaminate all the good stuff?
I am a type 2 diabetic from years of mismanaging what I ate...So my comment was a personal one that just slipped out. So now, I am not able to eat those types of things with insulin resistance, mad cravings and so on...No, soda and sweet crunchy cereal didnt do it...My lifestyle did...Anyhow...my body and mind are happiest under 100 carbs a day...My roller coaster ride is public.0 -
SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »Slow day at work, count me in.
I couldn't find a gif of someone eating Captain Crunch.
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Captain Crunch is a breakfast cereal that stays crunchy for much longer than most. I watched a show on Crunchiness Of Breakfast Cereals and how they do it. They study the heck out of it.This thread does leave me with a burning question (that I could google, but heck I'm lazy)
What on earth is Captain Crunch? And are Sugar Puffs better or worse?
Due to it's very crunchy aspect, the stuff does tend to shred the roof of your mouth up if you don't let the milk soak in a bit, which is best accomplished by turning the crunchier top part over into the milk.
Crunch Berries is Captain Crunch with differently-flavored colored balls in it. It's so much better that I don't even know who would choose the original Captain Crunch over it, but someone must because it's still sold. Many children and some adults try to eat the Captain Crunches and save the Crunchberries for last because they're yummier.
All Berries is just the Crunchberries without the Captain Crunch. I never got that because I felt like it was cheating.
Peanut Butter Crunch is also mouth-shredding, but is an amazingly yummy cereal full of peanut-butter flavored balls.
IMO, Crunch Berries are the yummiest of the all the breakfast cereals. I'd take them over Lucky Charms, Apple Jacks, Honeycomb and Fruit Loops. If you get the chance, try them.
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The problem we see here is that "clean eaters" get very dogmatic about it. You see things like yesterday regarding captain crunch - a clean eater told a very ripped gentleman that if he ate captain crunch he would never be able to win a fitness competition (or something along those lines)
Someone in this thread posted that no processing except cutting, cleaning and cooking equals clean, but I'd bet anything that they don't consider tortilla chips and potato chips to be clean - even though they fit that definition.
I lump clean eating in with zero tolerance policies - they are for people who see the world in black and white, do not recognize grey areas, and prefer not to think.
I'm assuming you mean me, the vegetable oils that potato chips are cooked in are certainly not "clean" by any definition. Actually my use of those processes was just highlighting the fact that "process" is not a dirty word.
Which is why I refuse to use the term "processed food". It is as ambiguous as "clean eating". When referring to the foods I rarely buy, I use the term "convenience foods". It is a concept most people get: the frozen heat-and-eat dinners, boxed and canned pre-made foods, Little Debbie cakes (mmmmmm, Little Debbies), "instant" anything like oatmeal, etc. I think I eat "healthy". I mostly eat whole foods I prepare myself, whole grain breads, etc. I do use a Quest bar as an afternoon snack and a scoop of protein powder (neither of which are allowed by the clean eating crowd) but are very common among those who say they are eating healthy.
BTW, why isn't peanut oil "clean", but olive oil is? (My favorite brands of chips are cooked in peanut oil). They are both pressed from natural ingredients. Same with rapeseed oil. Just because they call it "Canola" to get the term rapeseed out of it doesn't mean that it is any less clean than its cousin, mustard seed oil.
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blktngldhrt wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The healthy eaters are still here, and most still eat healthy, it's just that the focus has shifted from discussing nutrient-rich foods to discussing the ability to eat some of the less nutrient-rich ones in moderation.
If you take a look at the diaries of some of the people who speak captain crunch and soda, you will see some captain crunch and soda + a variety of meats, vegetables, fruits and nuts.
Well, yeah. Most people are probably doing exactly the same thing in reality but the focus of the discussion has shifted over time.
The people on the extremes still remain in the minority from what I can gather.
Finally, I want to know who would win in a fight: Capn Crunch or the Honey Monster.
So Capn Crunch is a short, older man but well he's got a battleship I assume and he's human so hence is capable of killing for no valid reason
and the Honey Monster is a monster but seems to be obsessed with talking to mummies
I reckon the Capn
He's not really a captain.
WHAT? but his title....His hat.....
He only has three stripes on his jacket. He's. A. Commander. Commander crunch.
I don't know why the extra period.s.0 -
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<---- healthy eater. I just grew weary of arguing with broscientoligists so I don't bother with the message boards a lot of the time.0
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The problem we see here is that "clean eaters" get very dogmatic about it. You see things like yesterday regarding captain crunch - a clean eater told a very ripped gentleman that if he ate captain crunch he would never be able to win a fitness competition (or something along those lines)
Someone in this thread posted that no processing except cutting, cleaning and cooking equals clean, but I'd bet anything that they don't consider tortilla chips and potato chips to be clean - even though they fit that definition.
I lump clean eating in with zero tolerance policies - they are for people who see the world in black and white, do not recognize grey areas, and prefer not to think.
I'm assuming you mean me, the vegetable oils that potato chips are cooked in are certainly not "clean" by any definition. Actually my use of those processes was just highlighting the fact that "process" is not a dirty word.
Which is why I refuse to use the term "processed food". It is as ambiguous as "clean eating". When referring to the foods I rarely buy, I use the term "convenience foods". It is a concept most people get: the frozen heat-and-eat dinners, boxed and canned pre-made foods, Little Debbie cakes (mmmmmm, Little Debbies), "instant" anything like oatmeal, etc. I think I eat "healthy". I mostly eat whole foods I prepare myself, whole grain breads, etc. I do use a Quest bar as an afternoon snack and a scoop of protein powder (neither of which are allowed by the clean eating crowd) but are very common among those who say they are eating healthy.
BTW, why isn't peanut oil "clean", but olive oil is? (My favorite brands of chips are cooked in peanut oil). They are both pressed from natural ingredients. Same with rapeseed oil. Just because they call it "Canola" to get the term rapeseed out of it doesn't mean that it is any less clean than its cousin, mustard seed oil.
Olive oil is extracted from pressing. Canola oil is extracted by using hexane to dissolve the oil from the rapeseeds and then is evaporated out of the oil.
I guess that poster has defined only cold pressed oils are clean, and hexane-extracted oils are not.
Most oils from seeds (canola, sunflower, safflower, corn, et. al.) are hexane extracted, while most oils from fruits (olive, coconut, etc) are not.0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The healthy eaters are still here, and most still eat healthy, it's just that the focus has shifted from discussing nutrient-rich foods to discussing the ability to eat some of the less nutrient-rich ones in moderation.
If you take a look at the diaries of some of the people who speak captain crunch and soda, you will see some captain crunch and soda + a variety of meats, vegetables, fruits and nuts.
Well, yeah. Most people are probably doing exactly the same thing in reality but the focus of the discussion has shifted over time.
The people on the extremes still remain in the minority from what I can gather.
Finally, I want to know who would win in a fight: Capn Crunch or the Honey Monster.
So Capn Crunch is a short, older man but well he's got a battleship I assume and he's human so hence is capable of killing for no valid reason
and the Honey Monster is a monster but seems to be obsessed with talking to mummies
I reckon the Capn
He's not really a captain.
WHAT? but his title....His hat.....
He only has three stripes on his jacket. He's. A. Commander. Commander crunch.
I don't know why the extra period.s.
Commander Crunch acutally sounds way cooler than Cap'n Crunch0 -
blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The healthy eaters are still here, and most still eat healthy, it's just that the focus has shifted from discussing nutrient-rich foods to discussing the ability to eat some of the less nutrient-rich ones in moderation.
If you take a look at the diaries of some of the people who speak captain crunch and soda, you will see some captain crunch and soda + a variety of meats, vegetables, fruits and nuts.
Well, yeah. Most people are probably doing exactly the same thing in reality but the focus of the discussion has shifted over time.
The people on the extremes still remain in the minority from what I can gather.
Finally, I want to know who would win in a fight: Capn Crunch or the Honey Monster.
So Capn Crunch is a short, older man but well he's got a battleship I assume and he's human so hence is capable of killing for no valid reason
and the Honey Monster is a monster but seems to be obsessed with talking to mummies
I reckon the Capn
He's not really a captain.
WHAT? but his title....His hat.....
He only has three stripes on his jacket. He's. A. Commander. Commander crunch.
I don't know why the extra period.s.
Commander Crunch acutally sounds way cooler than Cap'n Crunch
Names too long!!!! end thread!
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The problem we see here is that "clean eaters" get very dogmatic about it. You see things like yesterday regarding captain crunch - a clean eater told a very ripped gentleman that if he ate captain crunch he would never be able to win a fitness competition (or something along those lines)
Someone in this thread posted that no processing except cutting, cleaning and cooking equals clean, but I'd bet anything that they don't consider tortilla chips and potato chips to be clean - even though they fit that definition.
I lump clean eating in with zero tolerance policies - they are for people who see the world in black and white, do not recognize grey areas, and prefer not to think.
I'm assuming you mean me, the vegetable oils that potato chips are cooked in are certainly not "clean" by any definition. Actually my use of those processes was just highlighting the fact that "process" is not a dirty word.
Which is why I refuse to use the term "processed food". It is as ambiguous as "clean eating". When referring to the foods I rarely buy, I use the term "convenience foods". It is a concept most people get: the frozen heat-and-eat dinners, boxed and canned pre-made foods, Little Debbie cakes (mmmmmm, Little Debbies), "instant" anything like oatmeal, etc. I think I eat "healthy". I mostly eat whole foods I prepare myself, whole grain breads, etc. I do use a Quest bar as an afternoon snack and a scoop of protein powder (neither of which are allowed by the clean eating crowd) but are very common among those who say they are eating healthy.
BTW, why isn't peanut oil "clean", but olive oil is? (My favorite brands of chips are cooked in peanut oil). They are both pressed from natural ingredients.
I'm going to steal that - convenience foods I mean, that's much more accurate. I think oils being 'clean' and not is to do with the process needed to extract the oil, cold-pressed vs chemically extracted. I really do not know the ins and outs of extracting oil from plants, but the quality of the fat is scored by it's composition & chemically extracted ones are generally """"lower quality"""" & containing trace chemicals (ooooh scary)
But yeah, it's literally just how the oil is extracted - olive oil can be cold pressed, but also chemically extracted so I would assume chemically extracted oil wouldn't be clean also?
there was a fantastic chart in one of the composition of food's agricultural handbook, but I seriously do not have the time to dig it out, coz I gotta run off to work, but it'll be hanging around on the internet somewhere.0 -
The process for refining oil is pretty invasive and without bleaching and deodorizing of these oil they are just a black/grey smelly sludge. Also with the extreme heat for extended periods of time the effect on fragile omegas isn't exactly healthy. Now, unfiltered cold pressed peanut oil would be great.....I just picked up a bottle of cold pressed sunflower oil.The problem we see here is that "clean eaters" get very dogmatic about it. You see things like yesterday regarding captain crunch - a clean eater told a very ripped gentleman that if he ate captain crunch he would never be able to win a fitness competition (or something along those lines)
Someone in this thread posted that no processing except cutting, cleaning and cooking equals clean, but I'd bet anything that they don't consider tortilla chips and potato chips to be clean - even though they fit that definition.
I lump clean eating in with zero tolerance policies - they are for people who see the world in black and white, do not recognize grey areas, and prefer not to think.
I'm assuming you mean me, the vegetable oils that potato chips are cooked in are certainly not "clean" by any definition. Actually my use of those processes was just highlighting the fact that "process" is not a dirty word.
Which is why I refuse to use the term "processed food". It is as ambiguous as "clean eating". When referring to the foods I rarely buy, I use the term "convenience foods". It is a concept most people get: the frozen heat-and-eat dinners, boxed and canned pre-made foods, Little Debbie cakes (mmmmmm, Little Debbies), "instant" anything like oatmeal, etc. I think I eat "healthy". I mostly eat whole foods I prepare myself, whole grain breads, etc. I do use a Quest bar as an afternoon snack and a scoop of protein powder (neither of which are allowed by the clean eating crowd) but are very common among those who say they are eating healthy.
BTW, why isn't peanut oil "clean", but olive oil is? (My favorite brands of chips are cooked in peanut oil). They are both pressed from natural ingredients. Same with rapeseed oil. Just because they call it "Canola" to get the term rapeseed out of it doesn't mean that it is any less clean than its cousin, mustard seed oil.
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Lot's of bitter people here. Understandable if you think about it. You struggle to lose weight. Or you are frustrated because of your new diet.0
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »blktngldhrt wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The healthy eaters are still here, and most still eat healthy, it's just that the focus has shifted from discussing nutrient-rich foods to discussing the ability to eat some of the less nutrient-rich ones in moderation.
If you take a look at the diaries of some of the people who speak captain crunch and soda, you will see some captain crunch and soda + a variety of meats, vegetables, fruits and nuts.
Well, yeah. Most people are probably doing exactly the same thing in reality but the focus of the discussion has shifted over time.
The people on the extremes still remain in the minority from what I can gather.
Finally, I want to know who would win in a fight: Capn Crunch or the Honey Monster.
So Capn Crunch is a short, older man but well he's got a battleship I assume and he's human so hence is capable of killing for no valid reason
and the Honey Monster is a monster but seems to be obsessed with talking to mummies
I reckon the Capn
He's not really a captain.
WHAT? but his title....His hat.....
He only has three stripes on his jacket. He's. A. Commander. Commander crunch.
I don't know why the extra period.s.
Commander Crunch acutally sounds way cooler than Cap'n Crunch
Names too long!!!! end thread!
That 1 extra syllable ruins everything0
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