Is A Physically Demanding Job Sufficient?
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
First off, lifting is encouraged, so as to retain muscle mass while losing fat, not to "tone". Skinny/fat, is not a term that was "coined" on MFP, it's a description used to describe people who have lost weight, without maintaining muscle. It isn't used in a derogatory sense nor to "body shame" as you're stating.
lifting is good. i disagree with you about the rest.
You really think skinnyfat was coined on MFP? How old are you? I remember hearing that in the 80s. Do you bieber? It's also a description, no shaming involved until others start projecting their own internal weaknesses and mental challenges.-3 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.-2 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
First off, lifting is encouraged, so as to retain muscle mass while losing fat, not to "tone". Skinny/fat, is not a term that was "coined" on MFP, it's a description used to describe people who have lost weight, without maintaining muscle. It isn't used in a derogatory sense nor to "body shame" as you're stating.
lifting is good. i disagree with you about the rest.
You really think skinnyfat was coined on MFP? How old are you? I remember hearing that in the 80s. Do you bieber? It's also a description, no shaming involved until others start projecting their own internal weaknesses and mental challenges.
huh???? where did i claim that it was coined on mfp? someone else claimed that. i think the term is insulting and overused on mfp. what does my age have to do with this? not sure if it was used in the 80's, but highly doubtful it would have been used for women back then. lifting wasn't a thing for women in the 80's, just men.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.-3 -
Right here, when you said you disagree with the rest.Liftng4Lis wrote: »
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
First off, lifting is encouraged, so as to retain muscle mass while losing fat, not to "tone". Skinny/fat, is not a term that was "coined" on MFP, it's a description used to describe people who have lost weight, without maintaining muscle. It isn't used in a derogatory sense nor to "body shame" as you're stating.
lifting is good. i disagree with you about the rest.
You really think skinnyfat was coined on MFP? How old are you? I remember hearing that in the 80s. Do you bieber? It's also a description, no shaming involved until others start projecting their own internal weaknesses and mental challenges.
huh???? where did i claim that it was coined on mfp? someone else claimed that. i think the term is insulting and overused on mfp. what does my age have to do with this? not sure if it was used in the 80's, but highly doubtful it would have been used for women back then. lifting wasn't a thing for women in the 80's, just men.
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »Right there, when you said I disagree about the rest.
Yup.0 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »
Right here, when you said you disagree with the rest.Liftng4Lis wrote: »
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
First off, lifting is encouraged, so as to retain muscle mass while losing fat, not to "tone". Skinny/fat, is not a term that was "coined" on MFP, it's a description used to describe people who have lost weight, without maintaining muscle. It isn't used in a derogatory sense nor to "body shame" as you're stating.
lifting is good. i disagree with you about the rest.
You really think skinnyfat was coined on MFP? How old are you? I remember hearing that in the 80s. Do you bieber? It's also a description, no shaming involved until others start projecting their own internal weaknesses and mental challenges.
huh???? where did i claim that it was coined on mfp? someone else claimed that. i think the term is insulting and overused on mfp. what does my age have to do with this? not sure if it was used in the 80's, but highly doubtful it would have been used for women back then. lifting wasn't a thing for women in the 80's, just men.
I meant i disagree with this part, not the entire rest:
"It isn't used in a derogatory sense nor to "body shame" as you're stating."0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
my posts aren't naive because i find the phrase insulting.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
women did not lift in the 80's and body fat percentage wasn't really a thing then, so highly doubt it was used as it is today. and anyway, who cares if it was used in the 80's. it's still insulting.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
women did not lift in the 80's, so highly doubt it was used as it is today.
I have old bodybuilding magazines that disagree0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
women did not lift in the 80's, so highly doubt it was used as it is today.
I have old bodybuilding magazines that disagree
less of them did. is that better? it is more the norm now than it was then.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
women did not lift in the 80's, so highly doubt it was used as it is today.
I have old bodybuilding magazines that disagree
less of them did. is that better? it is more the norm now than it was then.
You just keep digging.0 -
This is a mind boggling discussion to me. There's no way I'd have the nerve to tell a female, "Oh, you're simply skinny-fat".0
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middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
women did not lift in the 80's, so highly doubt it was used as it is today.
I have old bodybuilding magazines that disagree
less of them did. is that better? it is more the norm now than it was then.
You just keep digging.
nope, not what i'm doing. keep nit picking though.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
women did not lift in the 80's, so highly doubt it was used as it is today.
I have old bodybuilding magazines that disagree
less of them did. is that better? it is more the norm now than it was then.
Umm alot of guys started going to the gym in the 80's to meet women, since there were a lot of them there.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »This is a mind boggling discussion to me. There's no way I'd have the nerve to tell a female, "Oh, you're simply skinny-fat".
I may not be as lean as I was before I got sick, but calling me skinny fat would be an excellent way to get punched in the face.
Ok, maybe not a punch in the face, but I promise I would not take it well. I can't imagine many women would.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
women did not lift in the 80's, so highly doubt it was used as it is today.
I have old bodybuilding magazines that disagree
less of them did. is that better? it is more the norm now than it was then.
Umm alot of guys started going to the gym in the 80's to meet women, since there were a lot of them there.
women did more cardio at the gym than weight lifting in the 80's. this is beyond the point that the term skinny fat is insulting though.0 -
http://breakingmuscle.com/olympic-weightlifting/women-in-weight-sports-part-2-olympic-lifting-in-modern-ageswomen did not lift in the 80's and body fat percentage wasn't really a thing then, so highly doubt it was used as it is today. and anyway, who cares if it was used in the 80's. it's still insulting.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Skinny/ fat is the term used quite often on MFP to describe someone who is within their ideal weight but still has a rather high BF.
SkinnyCandii, I wasn't being rude using the phrase, you had said you weren't happy with your body shape no matter what your weight was, and that you didn't have time for the gym.
I took it that you wanted to improve your shape as well as lose a few pounds, I offered a simple home routine that would help you achieve that.
I worked as a 'chambermaid' in my 20's and though it burnt the calories, it didn't noticeably improve my overall physique.
So yes, as I had posted, you could lose the weight you want eating at the correct deficit, but you would probably still be unhappy with your shape.
By the way I said I thought you wanted to lose the skinny/fat look. Not that you were skinny/fat.
My advice was valid for the information I had, and the terminology I used was within the scope of common usage on MFP.
You asked for thoughts; those were mine.
Cheers, h.
yes, i know. i think that term needs to stop being used on here for people who are perfectly normal, but don't lift in order to be perfectly toned. it's just another way to body shame people.
It's not body shaming - it's the end result of bad dieting methods without the exercise to retain muscle mass - you get to goal weight with higher fat.
It would be body shaming if someone felt they looked fine and you pointed out their flabby underarms and overhanging waist when they bent slightly.
It's not body shaming when some already describes the results and you are merely letting them know the name of it. Or trying to warn them of the end result if they want to do the diet the wrong way.
Because guess what, search google for improve skinny fat, you'll get some good results. And losing more weight isn't one of them.
no, it's body shaming. it isn't necessarily the result of dieting AT ALL. some people are not naturally muscular, particularly women. at 5'5" and 130, there is going to be some additional fat on many people even if they never dieted in their life, ever. It is not exactly underweight. Women DO naturally have some fat. Just because a persons stomach isn't completely flat at that weight doesn't mean there needs to be a negative term to describe it. It is completely normal and healthy. At my lowest adult weight WITHOUT dieting I was around 101 and 5'4" (I was just naturally skinny), then I gained weight throughout my life. It obviously did not go on as all muscle, mostly fat. At 130 I had some extra fat. It wasn't do to dieting at all. She said she was naturally thin at 115, so I believe her. Based on my own body this seems reasonable. The term skinny fat needs to die. I'm not specifically referring to this girl. I'm referring to the term in general which is body shaming towards women.
And yet most of the women responding are telling you there's nothing wrong with the term. In fact, it's used by many people seeking help to rectify the situation, and also used to describe men as well
Young, young Aviva. You'd do very well to read ^ this, and accept it. It is truth, regardless of your personal projections.
i read it and just because something is used often doesn't mean it isn't insulting.
i'm not young. what makes you think i'm young?
The naivete in your posts. Like the one previous to this one I'm replying to.
You'll get some perspective once you get a few more miles on you. Also yes, that's how it was used in the 80s.
women did not lift in the 80's, so highly doubt it was used as it is today.
I have old bodybuilding magazines that disagree
less of them did. is that better? it is more the norm now than it was then.
Umm alot of guys started going to the gym in the 80's to meet women, since there were a lot of them there.
women did more cardio at the gym than weight lifting in the 80's. this is beyond the point that the term skinny fat is insulting though.
Take your projection out of it. skinnyfat is a description. Your projection is what makes you feel it is insulting. On top of that, you're arguing a point that you know nothing about. Totes MFP brah, but just reinforces what I said.
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