17 Day Diet is Starting Soon!! Join Us!!
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jackpotclown wrote: »
I don't think you REALLY want to know....because you'll find out it's the average americanChristinaLeeConway wrote: »Hello! I'm Christina. 29 years old. In Texas. I am starting the 17 day diet on January 7th. I first heard of the 17DD in December when it was listed at the top diet of 2014. I created a group, and I am hoping to recruit others who are interested in giving this shot! http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/101325-17-day-diet-2015
BRIEF SUMMARY ON THE DIET (in case you're unfamiliar like I first was):
The 17 Day Diet was created by Dr. Mike Moreno. The diet is centered around four 17 day cycles:
Cycle 1: Accelerate- the rapid weight loss portion, which helps flush sugar and fat storage from your system
Cycle 2: Activate- the metabolic restart portion, with alternating low and high calorie days to help shed body fat
Cycle 3: Achieve- a phase that involves learning to control portions and introducing new fitness routines
Cycle 4: Arrive- a combination of the first three cycles to keep good habits up for good. On weekends, enjoy your favorite foods
**HOPE YOU JOIN!**
Flushes sugar and fat storage from your system? LMAO who believes such nonsense?
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dunklecyndi wrote: »It honestly is not a fad diet if you treat it as a life style change. I did not just gain the weight back because I stopped following the system. I had an accident that caused me to be sedentary as well as depression that i ate all the wrong things during. Mkegal.. do not use my post to prove your point with out the details. If you are not interested inthis group why join and come in with such negativety?
its because a lot of people are looking for a "quick fix" or something that will help them lose weight rapidly. Also, high and low calorie days is not a lifestyle, its an eating disorder0 -
dunklecyndi wrote: »It honestly is not a fad diet if you treat it as a life style change. I did not just gain the weight back because I stopped following the system. I had an accident that caused me to be sedentary as well as depression that i ate all the wrong things during. Mkegal.. do not use my post to prove your point with out the details. If you are not interested inthis group why join and come in with such negativety?
There's no negativity on this thread... Opposing opinions DOES NOT equal negativity. Plus, it's a public forum. If they didn't want opposing opinions, then this thread should have never been created. Since it was posted publicly, then you don't get to choose who has a right to post. Public = everyone has a right to post.0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »
Exactly.ChristinaLeeConway wrote: »No need to be hostile or think
Thinking is not welcome here.0 -
Double like!!Avoid fad diets, and avoid people peddling very questionable "science".
Eat real food, in reasonable portions, and exercise at least 30 min/day.
Fat cells never go away, other than liposuction. And sugar (carbohydrate) storage never goes away, which is a good thing because you need carbs to run the body.ChristinaLeeConway wrote:Cycle 1: Accelerate- the rapid weight loss portion, which helps flush sugar and fat storage from your system
Your metabolism does not need to be restarted. If it's stopped, you're dead.Cycle 2: Activate- the metabolic restart portion, with alternating low and high calorie days to help shed body fat
If you eat less than you burn, you will lose weight. Alternating low & high calories will only slow that.
This is the only useful part. Skip the others and just keep doing this.Cycle 3: Achieve- a phase that involves learning to control portions and introducing new fitness routines
Enjoy your favorite foods all the time, just in reasonable amounts.Cycle 4: Arrive- a combination of the first three cycles to keep good habits up for good. On weekends, enjoy your favorite foods
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No need to come here and be rude to these people or try to display your superiority. Let these people lose weight how they want and you can lose weight how you want. That 'fad diets fail' line is a little tired because the fact of the matter is, no matter the method of losing weight, a lot of people gain the weight back eventually, so don't act like you're superior for following one way over the other.0
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17 Days of Fail Diet?
A simple rule everyone should follow is if you want to do something to lose weight and the name of it is "[insert random words] Diet", you should probably avoid it.0 -
CleanUpWhatIMessedUp wrote: »No need to come here and be rude to these people or try to display your superiority. Let these people lose weight how they want and you can lose weight how you want. That 'fad diets fail' line is a little tired because the fact of the matter is, no matter the method of losing weight, a lot of people gain the weight back eventually, so don't act like you're superior for following one way over the other.
Because a lot of people do fad diets that are hard to follow, overly restrictive and lead to bingeing.
The people giving advice on this thread have successfully lost weight, maintained or both. It would behoove people to take their advice to heart.0 -
Organic_Azure wrote: »ChristinaLeeConway wrote: »Avoid fad diets, and avoid people peddling very questionable "science".
Eat real food, in reasonable portions, and exercise at least 30 min/day.
Fat cells never go away, other than liposuction. And sugar (carbohydrate) storage never goes away, which is a good thing because you need carbs to run the body.ChristinaLeeConway wrote:Cycle 1: Accelerate- the rapid weight loss portion, which helps flush sugar and fat storage from your system
Your metabolism does not need to be restarted. If it's stopped, you're dead.Cycle 2: Activate- the metabolic restart portion, with alternating low and high calorie days to help shed body fat
If you eat less than you burn, you will lose weight. Alternating low & high calories will only slow that.
This is the only useful part. Skip the others and just keep doing this.Cycle 3: Achieve- a phase that involves learning to control portions and introducing new fitness routines
Enjoy your favorite foods all the time, just in reasonable amounts.Cycle 4: Arrive- a combination of the first three cycles to keep good habits up for good. On weekends, enjoy your favorite foods
Not sure what your point is...If you're not interested just keep going on your merry way. I wasn't trying to spam anyone. I have nothing to benefit by asking people to join this group other than making friends with similar weight loss goals...
The point is that there are a lot of new people that "just want to lose weight" the quickest way that they can - they often don't realize that there are no shortcuts and that the best long term results will come from a reasonable calorie deficit and exercise. When you follow a strict plan like this you'll end up craving all of the stuff you're giving up, lending towards a better chance that you'll fail. And as others have said, once you hit day 18 and start eating more calories that were allowed during the previous 17 days, you'll gain everything back, if not more.
There are some of us that would like to see the new people learn the right way the first time, rather than to be lead down a path that will only lead towards frustration and failure.
^This. It's like the diet equivalent of the Donner Party. A lucky few might make it, but the vast majority of followers will ending getting lost in the vast wilderness of *kitten* that is out there. Just because you want to lead them doesn't mean everyone else needs to sit by idly and watch.0 -
Just a quick warning. I did this diet, lost weight. Gained it back at the end and then some. It did not help me develop good eating habits. Please consider avoiding this diet and working instead on creating a caloric deficit without gimmicks.0
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CleanUpWhatIMessedUp wrote: »No need to come here and be rude to these people or try to display your superiority. Let these people lose weight how they want and you can lose weight how you want. That 'fad diets fail' line is a little tired because the fact of the matter is, no matter the method of losing weight, a lot of people gain the weight back eventually, so don't act like you're superior for following one way over the other.
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CleanUpWhatIMessedUp wrote: »No need to come here and be rude to these people or try to display your superiority. Let these people lose weight how they want and you can lose weight how you want. That 'fad diets fail' line is a little tired because the fact of the matter is, no matter the method of losing weight, a lot of people gain the weight back eventually, so don't act like you're superior for following one way over the other.
No one was being rude. And certainly, no one was trying to "display their superiority". They're pointing out the FACT that moderation/excercise is one of the few consistently successful ways.
Also, once again... Opposing opinions =/= Rude or negative. This is a public forum. ANYONE can post an opinion, whether certain people like what they have to say or not.0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »CleanUpWhatIMessedUp wrote: »No need to come here and be rude to these people or try to display your superiority. Let these people lose weight how they want and you can lose weight how you want. That 'fad diets fail' line is a little tired because the fact of the matter is, no matter the method of losing weight, a lot of people gain the weight back eventually, so don't act like you're superior for following one way over the other.
No one was being rude. And certainly, no one was trying to "display their superiority". They're pointing out the FACT that moderation/excercise is one of the few consistently successful ways.
Also, once again... Opposing opinions =/= Rude or negative. This is a public forum. ANYONE can post an opinion, whether certain people like what they have to say or not.
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arussell134 wrote: »Just a quick warning. I did this diet, lost weight. Gained it back at the end and then some. It did not help me develop good eating habits. Please consider avoiding this diet and working instead on creating a caloric deficit without gimmicks.
QFTCleanUpWhatIMessedUp wrote: »No need to come here and be rude to these people or try to display your superiority. Let these people lose weight how they want and you can lose weight how you want. That 'fad diets fail' line is a little tired because the fact of the matter is, no matter the method of losing weight, a lot of people gain the weight back eventually, so don't act like you're superior for following one way over the other.
Also no one is acting superior. The people giving reasonable advice here have been there done that.0 -
_dracarys_ wrote: »dunklecyndi wrote: »It honestly is not a fad diet if you treat it as a life style change. I did not just gain the weight back because I stopped following the system. I had an accident that caused me to be sedentary as well as depression that i ate all the wrong things during. Mkegal.. do not use my post to prove your point with out the details. If you are not interested inthis group why join and come in with such negativety?
It's a public forum, therefore anyone can come in and give an opinion. Having an opposing opinion does not equal negativity.
However, it's January, so there are a lot of people reading these threads. The people who have been here a long time (me) and have done it without any special diet (also me) try to let the new people see that the old tried and true method of eating in moderation and moving a little more does actually work. Restrictive diets like these rarely work long term. Who wants a life without pizza, cookies, brownies, or margaritas? Not I.
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arussell134 wrote: »Just a quick warning. I did this diet, lost weight. Gained it back at the end and then some. It did not help me develop good eating habits. Please consider avoiding this diet and working instead on creating a caloric deficit without gimmicks.
I also gave this diet a shot, which is why I came in with my "hostility" and "negativity."
But whatevs, I lost 30 pounds counting calories and working out. WHAT DO I KNOW?0 -
Escloflowne wrote: »_dracarys_ wrote: »dunklecyndi wrote: »It honestly is not a fad diet if you treat it as a life style change. I did not just gain the weight back because I stopped following the system. I had an accident that caused me to be sedentary as well as depression that i ate all the wrong things during. Mkegal.. do not use my post to prove your point with out the details. If you are not interested inthis group why join and come in with such negativety?
It's a public forum, therefore anyone can come in and give an opinion. Having an opposing opinion does not equal negativity.
However, it's January, so there are a lot of people reading these threads. The people who have been here a long time (me) and have done it without any special diet (also me) try to let the new people see that the old tried and true method of eating in moderation and moving a little more does actually work. Restrictive diets like these rarely work long term. Who wants a life without pizza, cookies, brownies, or margaritas? Not I.
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Review of 17 Day Diet: Pros
1. It's quick. The best part of this diet is that it's quick — just 17 days — and it features real food, so it's easier to stick to than other fad diets.
2. It can help you get back on track. If you're looking for a jump start to a healthier diet, The 17 Day Diet can give you the framework to get back to a more nutritious way of eating.
Review of 17 Day Diet: Cons
1. It's not a lifestyle change. By no means does The 17 Day Diet teach you how to eat a healthy diet for the long haul.
Just like other fad diets, unless you keep up with some of the healthy eating requirements in The 17 Day Diet plan, once you go off the diet you're likely to put the weight right back on.
2. It may affect your workouts. In the beginning stages of The 17 Day Diet, you limit your intake of carbs. If you're someone who exercises a lot, this restriction of carbs may negatively impact your sweat sessions. No fun!
shape.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-strategies/pros-and-cons-17-day-diet
Fad diet is a fad.
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[/b]_dracarys_ wrote: »arussell134 wrote: »Just a quick warning. I did this diet, lost weight. Gained it back at the end and then some. It did not help me develop good eating habits. Please consider avoiding this diet and working instead on creating a caloric deficit without gimmicks.
I also gave this diet a shot, which is why I came in with my "hostility" and "negativity."
But whatevs, I lost 30 pounds counting calories and working out. WHAT DO I KNOW?
well for the record...back in 2009 I was in law school and i too lost 45lbs counting calories so I've been there done that.. and just like lots of you I too gained it back and then some... yalls rationale is ridiculous.. you can lose weight and gain back no matter what method is used to initially lose it. The goal is a lifestyle change and that is going to be everyone's ultimate struggle no matter what method is used to initially shed pounds.0 -
Avoid fad diets, and avoid people peddling very questionable "science".
Eat real food, in reasonable portions, and exercise at least 30 min/day.
Fat cells never go away, other than liposuction. And sugar (carbohydrate) storage never goes away, which is a good thing because you need carbs to run the body.ChristinaLeeConway wrote:Cycle 1: Accelerate- the rapid weight loss portion, which helps flush sugar and fat storage from your system
Your metabolism does not need to be restarted. If it's stopped, you're dead.Cycle 2: Activate- the metabolic restart portion, with alternating low and high calorie days to help shed body fat
If you eat less than you burn, you will lose weight. Alternating low & high calories will only slow that.
This is the only useful part. Skip the others and just keep doing this.Cycle 3: Achieve- a phase that involves learning to control portions and introducing new fitness routines
Enjoy your favorite foods all the time, just in reasonable amounts.Cycle 4: Arrive- a combination of the first three cycles to keep good habits up for good. On weekends, enjoy your favorite foods
^Thank you. Fad diets are ridiculous.0 -
ChristinaLeeConway wrote: »[/b]_dracarys_ wrote: »arussell134 wrote: »Just a quick warning. I did this diet, lost weight. Gained it back at the end and then some. It did not help me develop good eating habits. Please consider avoiding this diet and working instead on creating a caloric deficit without gimmicks.
I also gave this diet a shot, which is why I came in with my "hostility" and "negativity."
But whatevs, I lost 30 pounds counting calories and working out. WHAT DO I KNOW?
well for the record...back in 2009 I was in law school and i too lost 45lbs counting calories so I've been there done that.. and just like lots of you I too gained it back and then some... yalls rationale is ridiculous.. you can lose weight and gain back no matter what method is used to initially lose it. The goal is a lifestyle change and that is going to be everyone's ultimate struggle no matter what method is used to initially shed pounds.
You go girl! You do you.0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »
Exactly.ChristinaLeeConway wrote: »No need to be hostile or think
Ugh come on...clearly that was a typo...but a funny one, I'll give it that.0 -
Also...You should know that the over all tone of this thread is more combative than encouraging. Thankfully I've lost weight both by counting calories and also by using diet plans....but there's the possibility that those who are truly new to mfp may not have that background. Please practice kindness and encouragement in place of sarcasm and discouragement.0
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OP,
I could encourage someone in their decision to jump off a bridge... or I could say, "hey don't do that--it's not wise." Which is more kind? To tell the truth or encourage the lie?
This diet is unwise-- and honestly, more complicated than it needs to be. If you want to do it, then fine... but if you post and try to spread misinformation in a public thread then don't be surprised when people call you out on it.
Because this post isn't just about you... its about many other newbies who have no idea how to do this, see your post and feel like this is what they HAVE to do to lose weight. The opposed are just trying to give these people facts and more information to make a better, more informed decision.0 -
breefoshee wrote: »OP,
I could encourage someone in their decision to jump off a bridge... or I could say, "hey don't do that--it's not wise." Which is more kind? To tell the truth or encourage the lie?
This diet is unwise-- and honestly, more complicated than it needs to be. If you want to do it, then fine... but if you post and try to spread misinformation in a public thread then don't be surprised when people call you out on it.
Because this post isn't just about you... its about many other newbies who have no idea how to do this, see your post and feel like this is what they HAVE to do to lose weight. The opposed are just trying to give these people facts and more information to make a better, more informed decision.
+1
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breefoshee wrote: »OP,
I could encourage someone in their decision to jump off a bridge... or I could say, "hey don't do that--it's not wise." Which is more kind? To tell the truth or encourage the lie?
This diet is unwise-- and honestly, more complicated than it needs to be. If you want to do it, then fine... but if you post and try to spread misinformation in a public thread then don't be surprised when people call you out on it.
Because this post isn't just about you... its about many other newbies who have no idea how to do this, see your post and feel like this is what they HAVE to do to lose weight. The opposed are just trying to give these people facts and more information to make a better, more informed decision.
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breefoshee wrote: »OP,
I could encourage someone in their decision to jump off a bridge... or I could say, "hey don't do that--it's not wise." Which is more kind? To tell the truth or encourage the lie?
This diet is unwise-- and honestly, more complicated than it needs to be. If you want to do it, then fine... but if you post and try to spread misinformation in a public thread then don't be surprised when people call you out on it.
Because this post isn't just about you... its about many other newbies who have no idea how to do this, see your post and feel like this is what they HAVE to do to lose weight. The opposed are just trying to give these people facts and more information to make a better, more informed decision.
Misinformed??? I'm only repeating what has been published in. Dr. Mike Morenos book, featured on the show The Doctors and Dr. Oz. And the only reason I knew about it was because it was listed as the number one dieting option in 2014 I only gave a brief summary...there's much more to it that no one would know about unless they actually did more research. I must think a bit more highly than you do of the true newbies because I'm of the opinion that they aren't just going to be gullible and think weight loss is easy or a fad. I'm of the opinion that they will be willing to do the research and dive deeper...0 -
You do realize that Dr. Oz is a quack, right?0
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ChristinaLeeConway wrote: »breefoshee wrote: »OP,
I could encourage someone in their decision to jump off a bridge... or I could say, "hey don't do that--it's not wise." Which is more kind? To tell the truth or encourage the lie?
This diet is unwise-- and honestly, more complicated than it needs to be. If you want to do it, then fine... but if you post and try to spread misinformation in a public thread then don't be surprised when people call you out on it.
Because this post isn't just about you... its about many other newbies who have no idea how to do this, see your post and feel like this is what they HAVE to do to lose weight. The opposed are just trying to give these people facts and more information to make a better, more informed decision.
Misinformed??? I'm only repeating what has been published in. Dr. Mike Morenos book, featured on the show The Doctors and Dr. Oz. And the only reason I knew about it was because it was listed as the number one dieting option in 2014 I only gave a brief summary...there's much more to it that no one would know about unless they actually did more research. I must think a bit more highly than you do of the true newbies because I'm of the opinion that they aren't just going to be gullible and think weight loss is easy or a fad. I'm of the opinion that they will be willing to do the research and dive deeper...
Anything with Dr. Oz is big fat NO, NO!!0 -
newser.com/story/200180/science-shows-half-of-what-dr-oz-says-is-bunk.htmlhttp://
Sorry, but you've been bamboozled. The problem is that most "research" out there is bunk and you have to really search for actual science-- and it's not always easy to find. .
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