Eating VERY clean and tons of protein but still hungry
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Ok....got it everyone. I will not use the forbidden word "clean" ever again to describe food. Food is food, yes. I feel better when I eat "good for me food." Yes, I got upset at someone for being rude. We all have a starting point. This is mine. I understand not everyone is here to help, although many are. Try to be nice to everyone...learning or seasoned. Thanks for everyone's advice and encouragement
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If food is only 'energy' why eat any variety at all? Why not just live off eating protein powder with a spoon? Or Blizzards all the time? Wait, if it's only energy, why would Blizzards appeal to anyone? All that energy?
Why eat with other people, or use it to celebrate on holidays, or go to restaurants?
Why spend hours a day on a dieting site if food is only energy to you? Why track each bite you eat while in maintenance if food is so inconsequential and one dimensional? Someone who truly sees food as only energy would have no problem winging it and would probably be the last person you'd find needing MFP.
Mentally categorizing it as 'only energy' might help people keep the emotions out of it. But in human society, it's never going to be just for energy, even if it wasn't all tied up in health.0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »If food is only 'energy' why eat any variety at all? Why not just live off eating protein powder with a spoon? Or Blizzards all the time? Wait, if it's only energy, why would Blizzards appeal to anyone? All that energy?
Why eat with other people, or use it to celebrate on holidays, or go to restaurants?
Why spend hours a day on a dieting site if food is only energy to you? Why track each bite you eat while in maintenance if food is so inconsequential and one dimensional? Someone who truly sees food as only energy would have no problem winging it and would probably be the last person you'd find needing MFP.
Mentally categorizing it as 'only energy' might help people keep the emotions out of it. But in human society, it's never going to be just for energy, even if it wasn't all tied up in health.
so just because I realize that food is energy, means that I cannot enjoy it, really?
Take the flip side of your argument, if food is "bad" then how can you ever possibly enjoy anything. You should just eat fish and green beans and drink water for the next fifty years then...right?
IMO, my view is more liberating than the food is evil folks. I can eat food that you all say is "bad" and enjoy it, know I am hitting my goals, and not restricting myself. What is so bad about that?
I track my calories and macros so that I know that I am hitting my goals. I also know that dietary context and goals matter in my food choices. Knowing all these things makes me more knowledgeable about the food I am eating and my goals.
But yes, at the end of the day food is just energy that fuels my body. I still, however, love to eat it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
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so just because I realize that food is energy, means that I cannot enjoy it, really?
Take the flip side of your argument, if food is "bad" then how can you ever possibly enjoy anything. You should just eat fish and green beans and drink water for the next fifty years then...right?
IMO, my view is more liberating than the food is evil folks. I can eat food that you all say is "bad" and enjoy it, know I am hitting my goals, and not restricting myself. What is so bad about that?
I track my calories and macros so that I know that I am hitting my goals. I also know that dietary context and goals matter in my food choices. Knowing all these things makes me more knowledgeable about the food I am eating and my goals.
But yes, at the end of the day food is just energy that fuels my body. I still, however, love to eat it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
We eat food in order to fuel our bodies. You are absolutely right about that. We don't use gasoline or electricity or wood.
If that was the end of the story, then no one would ever have any trouble with excess weight. We'd all eat exactly what we needed for our fuel consumption.
Except that's not what happens. As you yourself point out, people enjoy food.
You, apparently, enjoy all food. For you, all food is good. Super. Good for you.
Other people don't enjoy all food. Certain foods cause them to have reactions that are unpleasant and they don't want to experience those reactions anymore.
I don't eat roast beef, for instance, because every single time I have roast beef, I get a stomach ache.
For me, roast beef is BAD. It's still a source of fuel, but it's one of the last sources of fuel I'd reach for.
You are welcome to eat roast beef. No one is telling you not to eat roast beef. But you -- YOU -- are the one insisting that because YOU enjoy roast beef, EVERYONE has to eat roast beef, and if anyone insists that roast beef is BAD for them, then they are stupid, ignorant, a special snowflake, etc. -- whatever insult you are trotting out this week.
You are confusing the personal aspect of food (good / bad) with the universal aspect of food (fuel).
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If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
And yeah, the insults are getting old, as is the "my way is the only right way" attitude.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
And yeah, the insults are getting old, as is the "my way is the only right way" attitude.
I said in my opinion..
and you are confusing social aspect of food with its nutritional/energy side...
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »so just because I realize that food is energy, means that I cannot enjoy it, really?
Take the flip side of your argument, if food is "bad" then how can you ever possibly enjoy anything. You should just eat fish and green beans and drink water for the next fifty years then...right?
IMO, my view is more liberating than the food is evil folks. I can eat food that you all say is "bad" and enjoy it, know I am hitting my goals, and not restricting myself. What is so bad about that?
I track my calories and macros so that I know that I am hitting my goals. I also know that dietary context and goals matter in my food choices. Knowing all these things makes me more knowledgeable about the food I am eating and my goals.
But yes, at the end of the day food is just energy that fuels my body. I still, however, love to eat it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
We eat food in order to fuel our bodies. You are absolutely right about that. We don't use gasoline or electricity or wood.
If that was the end of the story, then no one would ever have any trouble with excess weight. We'd all eat exactly what we needed for our fuel consumption.
Except that's not what happens. As you yourself point out, people enjoy food.
You, apparently, enjoy all food. For you, all food is good. Super. Good for you.
Other people don't enjoy all food. Certain foods cause them to have reactions that are unpleasant and they don't want to experience those reactions anymore.
I don't eat roast beef, for instance, because every single time I have roast beef, I get a stomach ache.
For me, roast beef is BAD. It's still a source of fuel, but it's one of the last sources of fuel I'd reach for.
You are welcome to eat roast beef. No one is telling you not to eat roast beef. But you -- YOU -- are the one insisting that because YOU enjoy roast beef, EVERYONE has to eat roast beef, and if anyone insists that roast beef is BAD for them, then they are stupid, ignorant, a special snowflake, etc. -- whatever insult you are trotting out this week.
You are confusing the personal aspect of food (good / bad) with the universal aspect of food (fuel).
Ok back on page three you said this:
No. Food is not = energy nothing else that is a fact.
so now you are back tracking and saying it is?
just trying to clarify bro...
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The nutrition "side of food" is not simply "food for energy."
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
There is much more to it than "food for energy."
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She, too, is pointing out that you are wrong.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »so just because I realize that food is energy, means that I cannot enjoy it, really?
Take the flip side of your argument, if food is "bad" then how can you ever possibly enjoy anything. You should just eat fish and green beans and drink water for the next fifty years then...right?
IMO, my view is more liberating than the food is evil folks. I can eat food that you all say is "bad" and enjoy it, know I am hitting my goals, and not restricting myself. What is so bad about that?
I track my calories and macros so that I know that I am hitting my goals. I also know that dietary context and goals matter in my food choices. Knowing all these things makes me more knowledgeable about the food I am eating and my goals.
But yes, at the end of the day food is just energy that fuels my body. I still, however, love to eat it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
We eat food in order to fuel our bodies. You are absolutely right about that. We don't use gasoline or electricity or wood.
If that was the end of the story, then no one would ever have any trouble with excess weight. We'd all eat exactly what we needed for our fuel consumption.
Except that's not what happens. As you yourself point out, people enjoy food.
You, apparently, enjoy all food. For you, all food is good. Super. Good for you.
Other people don't enjoy all food. Certain foods cause them to have reactions that are unpleasant and they don't want to experience those reactions anymore.
I don't eat roast beef, for instance, because every single time I have roast beef, I get a stomach ache.
For me, roast beef is BAD. It's still a source of fuel, but it's one of the last sources of fuel I'd reach for.
You are welcome to eat roast beef. No one is telling you not to eat roast beef. But you -- YOU -- are the one insisting that because YOU enjoy roast beef, EVERYONE has to eat roast beef, and if anyone insists that roast beef is BAD for them, then they are stupid, ignorant, a special snowflake, etc. -- whatever insult you are trotting out this week.
You are confusing the personal aspect of food (good / bad) with the universal aspect of food (fuel).
Ok back on page three you said this:
No. Food is not = energy nothing else that is a fact.
so now you are back tracking and saying it is?
just trying to clarify bro...
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She, too, is pointing out that you are wrong.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »so just because I realize that food is energy, means that I cannot enjoy it, really?
Take the flip side of your argument, if food is "bad" then how can you ever possibly enjoy anything. You should just eat fish and green beans and drink water for the next fifty years then...right?
IMO, my view is more liberating than the food is evil folks. I can eat food that you all say is "bad" and enjoy it, know I am hitting my goals, and not restricting myself. What is so bad about that?
I track my calories and macros so that I know that I am hitting my goals. I also know that dietary context and goals matter in my food choices. Knowing all these things makes me more knowledgeable about the food I am eating and my goals.
But yes, at the end of the day food is just energy that fuels my body. I still, however, love to eat it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
We eat food in order to fuel our bodies. You are absolutely right about that. We don't use gasoline or electricity or wood.
If that was the end of the story, then no one would ever have any trouble with excess weight. We'd all eat exactly what we needed for our fuel consumption.
Except that's not what happens. As you yourself point out, people enjoy food.
You, apparently, enjoy all food. For you, all food is good. Super. Good for you.
Other people don't enjoy all food. Certain foods cause them to have reactions that are unpleasant and they don't want to experience those reactions anymore.
I don't eat roast beef, for instance, because every single time I have roast beef, I get a stomach ache.
For me, roast beef is BAD. It's still a source of fuel, but it's one of the last sources of fuel I'd reach for.
You are welcome to eat roast beef. No one is telling you not to eat roast beef. But you -- YOU -- are the one insisting that because YOU enjoy roast beef, EVERYONE has to eat roast beef, and if anyone insists that roast beef is BAD for them, then they are stupid, ignorant, a special snowflake, etc. -- whatever insult you are trotting out this week.
You are confusing the personal aspect of food (good / bad) with the universal aspect of food (fuel).
Ok back on page three you said this:
No. Food is not = energy nothing else that is a fact.
so now you are back tracking and saying it is?
just trying to clarify bro...
hmmm well now she said I am right...so which one is it?0 -
The nutrition "side of food" is not simply "food for energy."
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
There is much more to it than "food for energy."
Try not eating for a month and see how you feel ...
then come back and tell if food is energy or not...0 -
da_bears1008 wrote: »not one to judge because I'm an "all things in moderation" kind of gal, but did DQ recently come out with a "clean" blizzard that I don't know about?
Ha ha ha I thought the exact same thing!!!!0 -
"My way is the only right way, in my opinion. You are doing it wrong, in my opinion."
I said in my opinion..WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
And yeah, the insults are getting old, as is the "my way is the only right way" attitude.
Yeah, that makes it better.
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No, it isn't.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »allison1983weber wrote: »Omg i don't mean dirty ffs. I just mean good, whole, healthy. No need to be a douche
so i am a "douche" for pointing out that there is no "bad" food and you can eat ice cream…hmmmm OK ..
define "good, whole, healthy" food, because I have no idea what that is.
Please remember that not everyone holds the same opinions/beliefs as you do towards food.
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
Like most of your "facts", that is incorrect. Food contains many things, including water, vitamins and minerals. It's not just energy/calories via macronutrients.
For all the time you spend insulting, mocking, name-calling and laughing at others, you are almost always wrong. The insults do not now, nor did they ever, nor will they ever mean that you are right.
Regardless of what food is made up of . . . our bodies use all of it for fuel to get our energy. We don't get energy from any other sources . . if you stop eating, you get tired and sluggish and fatigued. Just like when your car runs out of gas it stops going right? Same concept.
It doesn't matter what is in the food we eat at all - well it does for nutritional purposes, which is your water, vitamins, minerals, etc argument but in terms of our bodies using it, we use pretty much all of it for fuel. What matters is that we use it to keep going, or in other terms, we use it to fuel ourselves.0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »
"My way is the only right way, in my opinion. You are doing it wrong, in my opinion."
I said in my opinion..WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
And yeah, the insults are getting old, as is the "my way is the only right way" attitude.
Yeah, that makes it better.
hey, if you want to keep torturing yourself and thinking of certain foods as "bad" and restricting them to the point of misery, knock yourself out...
still does not change the fact that food = energy...0 -
acorsaut89 wrote: »
No, it isn't.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »allison1983weber wrote: »Omg i don't mean dirty ffs. I just mean good, whole, healthy. No need to be a douche
so i am a "douche" for pointing out that there is no "bad" food and you can eat ice cream…hmmmm OK ..
define "good, whole, healthy" food, because I have no idea what that is.
Please remember that not everyone holds the same opinions/beliefs as you do towards food.
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
Like most of your "facts", that is incorrect. Food contains many things, including water, vitamins and minerals. It's not just energy/calories via macronutrients.
For all the time you spend insulting, mocking, name-calling and laughing at others, you are almost always wrong. The insults do not now, nor did they ever, nor will they ever mean that you are right.
Regardless of what food is made up of . . . our bodies use all of it for fuel to get our energy. We don't get energy from any other sources . . if you stop eating, you get tired and sluggish and fatigued. Just like when your car runs out of gas it stops going right? Same concept.
It doesn't matter what is in the food we eat at all. What matters is that we use it to keep going, or in other terms, we use it to fuel ourselves.
stop mocking and insulting people with your facts!!! < sarcasm...-2 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
Food doesn't contain energy, it gives us energy. It's not like energy content is right there between calories and grams of fat on a label . . . we use it for energy by digesting and metabolizing it. It does contain nutritional value but regardless of nutritional value we use it to fuel ourselves, or get energy. You can't stop eating and expect you will be able to keep going, exercising, living your daily life right? You need something to be able to keep moving and that something is food, in whatever form or shape you prefer it to be.
Our bodies do get a lot from food, yes, but our bodies use it to keep going. That's how our wonderful bodies work.0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »
"My way is the only right way, in my opinion. You are doing it wrong, in my opinion."
I said in my opinion..WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
And yeah, the insults are getting old, as is the "my way is the only right way" attitude.
Yeah, that makes it better.
hey, if you want to keep torturing yourself and thinking of certain foods as "bad" and restricting them to the point of misery, knock yourself out...
I like blizzards
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The nutrition "side of food" is not simply "food for energy."
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
There is much more to it than "food for energy."
Hmmm...
Sounds a bit like context to me.0 -
The nutrition "side of food" is not simply "food for energy."
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
There is much more to it than "food for energy."
Hmmm...
Sounds a bit like context to me.
*dies*
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Well said.acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
Food doesn't contain energy, it gives us energy. It's not like energy content is right there between calories and grams of fat on a label . . . we use it for energy by digesting and metabolizing it. It does contain nutritional value but regardless of nutritional value we use it to fuel ourselves, or get energy. You can't stop eating and expect you will be able to keep going, exercising, living your daily life right? You need something to be able to keep moving and that something is food, in whatever form or shape you prefer it to be.
Our bodies do get a lot from food, yes, but our bodies use it to keep going. That's how our wonderful bodies work.
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Correct...except the "all of it" part.acorsaut89 wrote: »
No, it isn't.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »allison1983weber wrote: »Omg i don't mean dirty ffs. I just mean good, whole, healthy. No need to be a douche
so i am a "douche" for pointing out that there is no "bad" food and you can eat ice cream…hmmmm OK ..
define "good, whole, healthy" food, because I have no idea what that is.
Please remember that not everyone holds the same opinions/beliefs as you do towards food.
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
Like most of your "facts", that is incorrect. Food contains many things, including water, vitamins and minerals. It's not just energy/calories via macronutrients.
For all the time you spend insulting, mocking, name-calling and laughing at others, you are almost always wrong. The insults do not now, nor did they ever, nor will they ever mean that you are right.
Regardless of what food is made up of . . . our bodies use all of it for fuel to get our energy. We don't get energy from any other sources . . if you stop eating, you get tired and sluggish and fatigued. Just like when your car runs out of gas it stops going right? Same concept.
In "terms of our body using it", the water is more vital than any of it...and contains no calories. However, we could get water without food.It doesn't matter what is in the food we eat at all - well it does for nutritional purposes, which is your water, vitamins, minerals, etc argument but in terms of our bodies using it, we use pretty much all of it for fuel. What matters is that we use it to keep going, or in other terms, we use it to fuel ourselves.
In "terms of our body using it", those vitamins, minerals (no etc.) are important. Those micros are as important as the much-touted macros.
For weight loss, it doesn't matter. You can eat absolutely nothing and lose weight.0 -
Color me surprised.
The nutrition "side of food" is not simply "food for energy."
You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
There is much more to it than "food for energy."
Hmmm...
Sounds a bit like context to me.
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Correct...except the "all of it" part.acorsaut89 wrote: »
No, it isn't.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »allison1983weber wrote: »Omg i don't mean dirty ffs. I just mean good, whole, healthy. No need to be a douche
so i am a "douche" for pointing out that there is no "bad" food and you can eat ice cream…hmmmm OK ..
define "good, whole, healthy" food, because I have no idea what that is.
Please remember that not everyone holds the same opinions/beliefs as you do towards food.
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
Like most of your "facts", that is incorrect. Food contains many things, including water, vitamins and minerals. It's not just energy/calories via macronutrients.
For all the time you spend insulting, mocking, name-calling and laughing at others, you are almost always wrong. The insults do not now, nor did they ever, nor will they ever mean that you are right.
Regardless of what food is made up of . . . our bodies use all of it for fuel to get our energy. We don't get energy from any other sources . . if you stop eating, you get tired and sluggish and fatigued. Just like when your car runs out of gas it stops going right? Same concept.
In "terms of our body using it", the water is more vital than any of it...and contains no calories. However, we could get water without food.It doesn't matter what is in the food we eat at all - well it does for nutritional purposes, which is your water, vitamins, minerals, etc argument but in terms of our bodies using it, we use pretty much all of it for fuel. What matters is that we use it to keep going, or in other terms, we use it to fuel ourselves.
In "terms of our body using it", those vitamins, minerals (no etc.) are important. Those micros are as important as the much-touted macros.
For weight loss, it doesn't matter. You can eat absolutely nothing and lose weight.
drink only water for a year and eat nothing for a year and see if you live ....
what do you think that your body uses macros and micros for? It breaks them down for ENERGY to use in bodily functions like building muscle, breathing, digesting, brain function ....
is that really so hard to understand...0 -
Correct...except the "all of it" part.acorsaut89 wrote: »
No, it isn't.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »allison1983weber wrote: »Omg i don't mean dirty ffs. I just mean good, whole, healthy. No need to be a douche
so i am a "douche" for pointing out that there is no "bad" food and you can eat ice cream…hmmmm OK ..
define "good, whole, healthy" food, because I have no idea what that is.
Please remember that not everyone holds the same opinions/beliefs as you do towards food.
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
Like most of your "facts", that is incorrect. Food contains many things, including water, vitamins and minerals. It's not just energy/calories via macronutrients.
For all the time you spend insulting, mocking, name-calling and laughing at others, you are almost always wrong. The insults do not now, nor did they ever, nor will they ever mean that you are right.
Regardless of what food is made up of . . . our bodies use all of it for fuel to get our energy. We don't get energy from any other sources . . if you stop eating, you get tired and sluggish and fatigued. Just like when your car runs out of gas it stops going right? Same concept.
In "terms of our body using it", the water is more vital than any of it...and contains no calories. However, we could get water without food.It doesn't matter what is in the food we eat at all - well it does for nutritional purposes, which is your water, vitamins, minerals, etc argument but in terms of our bodies using it, we use pretty much all of it for fuel. What matters is that we use it to keep going, or in other terms, we use it to fuel ourselves.
In "terms of our body using it", those vitamins, minerals (no etc.) are important. Those micros are as important as the much-touted macros.
For weight loss, it doesn't matter. You can eat absolutely nothing and lose weight.
drink only water for a year and eat nothing for a year and see if you live ....
what do you think that your body uses macros and micros for? It breaks them down for ENERGY to use in bodily functions like building muscle, breathing, digesting, brain function ....
is that really so hard to understand...
Normally, I let this stuff go and I'm going to again now.
You're right about one thing: It really isn't that hard to understand.0 -
Correct...except the "all of it" part.acorsaut89 wrote: »
No, it isn't.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »allison1983weber wrote: »Omg i don't mean dirty ffs. I just mean good, whole, healthy. No need to be a douche
so i am a "douche" for pointing out that there is no "bad" food and you can eat ice cream…hmmmm OK ..
define "good, whole, healthy" food, because I have no idea what that is.
Please remember that not everyone holds the same opinions/beliefs as you do towards food.
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
Like most of your "facts", that is incorrect. Food contains many things, including water, vitamins and minerals. It's not just energy/calories via macronutrients.
For all the time you spend insulting, mocking, name-calling and laughing at others, you are almost always wrong. The insults do not now, nor did they ever, nor will they ever mean that you are right.
Regardless of what food is made up of . . . our bodies use all of it for fuel to get our energy. We don't get energy from any other sources . . if you stop eating, you get tired and sluggish and fatigued. Just like when your car runs out of gas it stops going right? Same concept.
In "terms of our body using it", the water is more vital than any of it...and contains no calories. However, we could get water without food.It doesn't matter what is in the food we eat at all - well it does for nutritional purposes, which is your water, vitamins, minerals, etc argument but in terms of our bodies using it, we use pretty much all of it for fuel. What matters is that we use it to keep going, or in other terms, we use it to fuel ourselves.
In "terms of our body using it", those vitamins, minerals (no etc.) are important. Those micros are as important as the much-touted macros.
For weight loss, it doesn't matter. You can eat absolutely nothing and lose weight.
So the award for hair splitting goes to you
And you're way over analyzing. I don't remember really anyone talking about nutrient levels except you. The only thing mentioned was that food is energy for us. What that food does in our bodies, completely different pages of the same story, but the high level part of it is that it's energy. And that's where this needed to stop. Never once did I say micros, macros, blah blah blah. There's many aspects to what foods are comprised of and how they metabolize and what the individual molecules look like for carbs vs fat vs protein but at the end of the day, regardless of what your food is made up of you need it to survive - and that makes it energy. It can contain many other things our body uses or maybe doesn't use or whatever it is you just said previously but that wasn't what I said before or what ndj1979 said either. The only statement was that food is energy for us, and really it is. You can say it contains x, y and z but whatever it contains, our body functions and processes convert it into usable energy for us.
I'm not sure if this makes you feel smarter or better to split hairs like that, but there's no need for it when the context of the conversation wasn't about that.0 -
Ok I haven't read the replies, so bear with me...
Some of your entries are questionable... '2 cups of broccoli 116 calories'. First, you're better off weighing your food for accuracy, but there's no world in which 2 cups of steamed broccoli would be that many calories.
So 1) weigh your food, 2) use accurate entries (when in doubt, search 'usda' after the food).
For food like rice, weigh it dry if you can, it's way way more accurate this way (if you make more than one batch, weigh it dry, then cooked again to see how many grams is a cooked serving).
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Ok I haven't read the replies, so bear with me...
Some of your entries are questionable... '2 cups of broccoli 116 calories'. First, you're better off weighing your food for accuracy, but there's no world in which 2 cups of steamed broccoli would be that many calories.
So 1) weigh your food, 2) use accurate entries (when in doubt, search 'usda' after the food).
For food like rice, weigh it dry if you can, it's way way more accurate this way (if you make more than one batch, weigh it dry, then cooked again to see how many grams is a cooked serving).
FYI - OP was not concerned with not losing...her problem is eating "too clean" which leaves her "starving"0 -
Speaking of splitting hairs...acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
Food doesn't contain energy, it gives us energy...
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