Eating VERY clean and tons of protein but still hungry
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maybe not enough fat in your diet. fat keeps you full longer0
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
so food is not energy????
which one is it? You are going back and forth like a ping pong ball..
so lets clarify..
Food = energy ...yes, or no?0 -
I like starchy food like rice or spaghetti or bread, so I eat lots of it and it makes me full.0
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Speaking of splitting hairs...acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
Food doesn't contain energy, it gives us energy...
I was clarifying since some seem to think the general idea was energy comes in food like calories or protein or fibre. . . No need to be rude about this.
If you think you don't get your fuel to keep going from food, then think that way. I'm not here to argue . . . it's just a thing that our body does to convert the food we consume into energy to use to keep going.
I'm not going to argue about this because it's really just not going to get me anywhere. So I'm done and if you are one of those I need to have the last word kind of person, then by all means.
And by the way, you're using energy to get those last words in . . . I wonder where you got it from?0 -
Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.0 -
acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
Speaking of splitting hairs...acorsaut89 wrote: »WalkingAlong wrote: »
If food is only energy, there is no nutritional side and no need to track macros.You are confusing the social aspect of food eating out, dining in a social setting, eating for enjoyment, etc, with the nutritional side of food, which is food for energy. Again, the two are not mutually exclusive.
If preferences matter, then people can have preferences to not eat certain foods.
Food doesn't contain energy, it gives us energy...
I was clarifying since some seem to think the general idea was energy comes in food like calories or protein or fibre. . . No need to be rude about this.
If you think you don't get your fuel to keep going from food, then think that way. I'm not here to argue . . . it's just a thing that our body does to convert the food we consume into energy to use to keep going.
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy ..
along the same lines food must be demonized as "bad" because that is the only way to lose weight...0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
So then the statement food = energy is true . . .
So why is anyone debating it???
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OP looks to be using the default macro nutrient settings. I would adjusting the ratios for fats & proteins to see which give better satiation.
For example I prefer 35% carbs 30% fats 35% protein. Some folks prefer a 40/20/40 split. Try adjusting those ratios and see what happens.
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Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
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apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy ..
along the same lines food must be demonized as "bad" because that is the only way to lose weight...
Who, anywhere in the history of MFP, claimed that food is not fuel?
Has someone posted a thread saying "Help! I eat food but my body is not absorbing energy from it!!!"
You keep pointing to the simplest of concepts, that food is how humans fuel themselves, and acting as if there is some debate about that.
There isn't a debate going on about whether or not food is fuel.
You are very strange.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy ..
along the same lines food must be demonized as "bad" because that is the only way to lose weight...
Who, anywhere in the history of MFP, claimed that food is not fuel?
Has someone posted a thread saying "Help! I eat food but my body is not absorbing energy from it!!!"
You keep pointing to the simplest of concepts, that food is how humans fuel themselves, and acting as if there is some debate about that.
There isn't a debate going on about whether or not food is fuel.
You are very strange.
NOW that is a rare one..
back on page three when I said fuel = energy you said "false" and went on to say it is not true..
now you say that is a fact that everyone agrees with??
obvious trolling, is obvious trolling...-4 -
FYI - OP was not concerned with not losing...her problem is eating "too clean" which leaves her "starving" [/quote]
Absolutely NOT!!!! Clearly you misunderstood. I am eating the foods i like but in smaller amounts. I am eating high protein and minimal carbs because it makes me feel better. I was wondering if my calories were too low or looking for suggestions on of it is normal to feel hunger all day. That is it. I did not say the "clean food was leaving me starving"
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I am looking for suggestions from people who know how to support someone who's long term goal is to lose 100lbs. I am not looking for an argument. I could eat nurtient dense foods all day or non nutrient dense but I prefer the healthier choices. They make me feel better.
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Also...thank you to the person who suggested I eat more for breakfast. By now I am having my first snack because I am hungry but today I am not
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If your "clean" eating is making you "starve," why not eat a piece of cake? Golly, if I had leftover calories and my my macros for the day, I'd be jumping for joy to have something satisfying. And if you like your "clean" foods, find something high in protein. Cake is probably "dirty" to you, so why not try a Quest bar or a peanut butter banana smoothie?0
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
its not an opinion ..food = energy ..nothing else..that is a fact...
No. Food is not = energy nothing else that is a fact.
People have different tastes. You might love brussel sprouts while I think they taste like dirty socks.
People have different histories with food. You might associate eating ham with Thanksgiving and Christmas, while I associate eating ham with breaking religious rules.
People have different reactions to food. You might eat four Oreos and not give the bag another thought, while I eat four Oreos and spend the next six hours stuck in an agonizing mental battle between wanting to eat more and not wanting to eat more.
What you eat is fine for you.
That doesn't make it fine for everyone.
You are not the center of the universe and all else is but a mirror reflection of you.
Sorry, bro.
Well said! There seems to be a common theme on MFP that if you choose not to eat pizza or cookies, etc. that you are wrong, have a bad relationship with food, are deprived, miserable and will fail. In the past, I struggled with when to stop overeating "junk" so I stay away from it. The difference now (compared to when I lost weight before) is that I realize I can't just go back to bad habits as soon as my goals are reached. Some people can have one cookie and then stop. Some can't. I would rather not even have the internal battle and just have some other thing I enjoy that won't sabotage my goals. Will I ever eat candy or pizza? Probably. But even if I never did, I wouldn't be miserable. Seems to me that if not having a food can make me miserable then that's a worse relationship with food than just choosing to abstain. There are plenty of people who, for health or other reasons, cannot have sugary foods or high fat foods. Does that mean they are doomed to a life of misery? All of my friend who never seem to "diet" or have issues with weight gain have one thing in common. They don't obsess about food. That's what I'm striving for.
There is a big money industry (fitness & bodybuilding) where WHAT you eat makes a big difference to your success. The most successful bodybuilders and fitness models wouldn't look the way they look if they ate pizza and the like whenever they had the urge.
Wrong
Agreeing with your wrong and adding this...
http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/how-clean-eating-made-me-fat-but-ice-cream-and-subway-got-me-lean/0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
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No. You got the science, the math or both wrong.Food = energy ...yes, or no
Are you seriously suggesting that you have taken a college-level A&P class?
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy.0 -
You continue to insist that the only thing food gives us is energy. You keep going on about food and energy being the same.WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
You are wrong.0 -
Tell us some more about how you are well-versed in nutrition.WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
What do you think the textbooks are filled with? If your "Food provides energy. That's it." idea was correct, there wouldn't be a single book written on the subject. Not one.
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1660 is okay, IMO if you're going to eat back your exercise calories - you could get away with more and still lose, if you wanted to.
If you're sticking with that goal, could you do with less carbs? Protein and fat can be more filling and as a poster above said, carbs that are high in fibre will fill you up too.
edit: most people, starting off, will go for the '2lb a week loss' option. IMO that's fine but if you're feeling deprived and end up binging it could take you longer anyway. If you're hungry with the deficit you have and don't think you'll stick with it, try 1lb a week.
This. Even if it takes longer, it isn't a race. There would be weeks I wanted to eat more, so I changed my goal from 1 pound to a 1/2 pound a week. I enjoyed the extra calories. Also, up your protein. Try to eat protein rich foods and snacks to help with hunger. Some Greek yogurt or cottage cheese satisfies better than cookies or chips (not saying you eat like that). Good luck.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.0 -
He asked for something other than "providing energy."WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.
....and minerals, vitamins work together with enzymes to release energy from digested food and regulate the billions of chemical activities that occur in the body every minute of every day.0 -
He'd never heard of Michael Pollan before today.
No. You got the science, the math or both wrong.Food = energy ...yes, or no
Are you seriously suggesting that you have taken a college-level A&P class?
apparently, some people do not understand basic human anatomy and how food is used for energy.
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
Do you understand the difference between these two statements?WalkingAlong wrote: »Food does actually contain energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_transformation
I don't think anyone misunderstands that we get energy from food.
so then why the argument over food = energy?
are you saying yes now? Or are you still disputing it?
Food provides energy.
Food's sole function is to provide energy.
You talk as if no one else does.
so what else does food do when you eat it? food provides humans with energy that is how we nourish ourselves..
what other "function" does food provide?
Provides vitamins and minerals, curbs hunger, changes moods.....
Helps to regulate your blood pressure...
.....and you get energy from it.
The key word is "and". It isn't whether food provides energy, the debate is whether or not food ONLY provides energy. That's ridiculous in my opinion.
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