Getting into a calorie surplus can be hard for some
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This is what's so funny. At that time, I could bench press on my machine 5 plates (50 pounds) for 12 reps. According to a chart I have for the machine, those 50 pounds correlate to a weight resistance of 120 pounds. Based on a couple (endurance) tests I've done with the two 20 pound dumbbells I have, I think it was equivalent to benching somewhere between 65-75 pounds. Now I can do the next weight on the machine (60 pounds, or 139 pounds of resistance) for almost the same number of reps. Just yesterday I floor pressed with the two 20 pound dumbbells for 40 reps, which correlates with a 1 rep max of 90-95 pounds. I'm guessing that means I would have a 1 rep max of 100-110 pounds with a barbell. So, in reality I know it's actually not all that impressive.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Hmm, you would be surprised. Technically my BMI may be the lowest, but not by much.You honestly don't understand more than them if you cannot comprehend that what you plan on doing is classic wheel-spinning and will get you nowhere. How much does everyone in your family weigh? I'd be surprised if they were all light like you. You definitely do have problems with food or else you wouldn't be saying the things you do.
I did say it in other threads, I think a huge portion of why I'm naturally as small as I am is genetics.
However, they do think I should put on some muscle, but I think it's that they don't fully grasp how it works. I was even told a couple months ago that based on how much I was bench pressing then (which the family member thought was impressive), if I keep doing that this winter I'd have some muscle on me.
How much are you bench pressing?
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Well, I don't consider my homemade sweets to be truly "healthy", but I do eat them regularly. There are also other things like chips that I eat often too. I think it was in a different thread in which I stated each week I'm at a place where doughnuts are served. I like the taste of them, and I do eat them. It's just that I don't see it the same way as most of the rest of the food I eat.It seems like you are a 100% healthy eater as you said earlier you don't consider a donut healthy and you label food. When did I ever say you need to eat to the point of puking? That's stupid, you need to eat in a surplus of 300-500 cals, which would not cause you to puke. The ones doing so are eating so far over their TDEE that it is a given that they will puke at some point. And yes, because you choose to be comfortable and not push the limits regarding your stomach and eat more to gain weight you are not dedicated. I really don't think you comprehend that your stomach is sensitive because you are at such a low weight. Gaining weight solves 99% of my stomach issues and I can bet it will do the same for yours.
And yes I do see the rest of your point.
I think you're right that there's not much else to be said. In thinking about my low vegetable intake, I got frustrated at the remark in another thread about my perception of food, and then it was suggested that I make my own thread, so that's what led to this.Do you have any evidence that the guys you read about on the internet who ate so much that they puked were following the advice you've been given here? Or is it possible that they were following bad advice and that's how they ended up in that position?
Reading through this thread, I'm honestly not sure what you are hoping to get out of this post. If someone suggests increasing your calorie intake, you start talking about how you can't eat this or that, or what your family thinks about bulking, neither of which has anything to do with the issue. You're 20 years old, which is old enough to decide for yourself what you put into your body. My kids are 7 and 2, and I don't have as much input into their food consumption as your family seems to have in yours.
You need more calories to add muscle mass, period. Eat more calories of whatever foods you can eat. Eat full fat versions of cheese and yogurt, since you can eat those. Eat larger portions of meat. Add butter to your veggies. Eat your fruits with peanut butter or some kind of dip. Chose higher calorie grains. You can also drink some extra calories to help get your numbers up. Please note, these are just ideas to get you thinking about changes you could make, I'm not interested in a paragraph response on why each suggestion won't work for you.
If you're happy with your plan as it is and believe that this is what is best to achieve your goal, I'm not sure where the discussion is here. You're not going to listen to any of the advice given here, and other users aren't going to validate what you want to do because they don't believe it will help you achieve your goals. So it appears we are at an impasse.
I'm looking for part time work as it is (I'll be starting school back up in a couple days). I might still be able to use the gym at my old school for free, but that's something I probably would consider more if/when I feel like I've maxed out with my weight machine.Do you have the ability to get a job?
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ForecasterJason wrote: »This is what's so funny. At that time, I could bench press on my machine 5 plates (50 pounds) for 12 reps. According to a chart I have for the machine, those 50 pounds correlate to a weight resistance of 120 pounds. Based on a couple (endurance) tests I've done with the two 20 pound dumbbells I have, I think it was equivalent to benching somewhere between 65-75 pounds. Now I can do the next weight on the machine (60 pounds, or 139 pounds of resistance) for almost the same number of reps. Just yesterday I floor pressed with the two 20 pound dumbbells for 40 reps, which correlates with a 1 rep max of 90-95 pounds. I'm guessing that means I would have a 1 rep max of 100-110 pounds with a barbell. So, in reality I know it's actually not all that impressive.
Dude no offense, my sister benches more and she never works out. She had to when she played golf in college but she's not a gym junkie. You would be so well served to bulk at 0.5-1lb/week and get on a linear progression program. Trust us man, we would not steer you wrong. I recently started working out again after a 6 month layoff due to injuries and was benching 8 reps with 35lb DBs, take that into consideration. Doing 40 reps is a waste of time and does nothing, aim for 3-4 sets of 5-8 reps and eat in a surplus to build muscle. Check out greyskull linear progression or Starting Strength.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, I don't consider my homemade sweets to be truly "healthy", but I do eat them regularly. There are also other things like chips that I eat often too. I think it was in a different thread in which I stated each week I'm at a place where doughnuts are served. I like the taste of them, and I do eat them. It's just that I don't see it the same way as most of the rest of the food I eat.It seems like you are a 100% healthy eater as you said earlier you don't consider a donut healthy and you label food. When did I ever say you need to eat to the point of puking? That's stupid, you need to eat in a surplus of 300-500 cals, which would not cause you to puke. The ones doing so are eating so far over their TDEE that it is a given that they will puke at some point. And yes, because you choose to be comfortable and not push the limits regarding your stomach and eat more to gain weight you are not dedicated. I really don't think you comprehend that your stomach is sensitive because you are at such a low weight. Gaining weight solves 99% of my stomach issues and I can bet it will do the same for yours.
And yes I do see the rest of your point.
I think you're right that there's not much else to be said. In thinking about my low vegetable intake, I got frustrated at the remark in another thread about my perception of food, and then it was suggested that I make my own thread, so that's what led to this.Do you have any evidence that the guys you read about on the internet who ate so much that they puked were following the advice you've been given here? Or is it possible that they were following bad advice and that's how they ended up in that position?
Reading through this thread, I'm honestly not sure what you are hoping to get out of this post. If someone suggests increasing your calorie intake, you start talking about how you can't eat this or that, or what your family thinks about bulking, neither of which has anything to do with the issue. You're 20 years old, which is old enough to decide for yourself what you put into your body. My kids are 7 and 2, and I don't have as much input into their food consumption as your family seems to have in yours.
You need more calories to add muscle mass, period. Eat more calories of whatever foods you can eat. Eat full fat versions of cheese and yogurt, since you can eat those. Eat larger portions of meat. Add butter to your veggies. Eat your fruits with peanut butter or some kind of dip. Chose higher calorie grains. You can also drink some extra calories to help get your numbers up. Please note, these are just ideas to get you thinking about changes you could make, I'm not interested in a paragraph response on why each suggestion won't work for you.
If you're happy with your plan as it is and believe that this is what is best to achieve your goal, I'm not sure where the discussion is here. You're not going to listen to any of the advice given here, and other users aren't going to validate what you want to do because they don't believe it will help you achieve your goals. So it appears we are at an impasse.
I'm looking for part time work as it is (I'll be starting school back up in a couple days). I might still be able to use the gym at my old school for free, but that's something I probably would consider more if/when I feel like I've maxed out with my weight machine.Do you have the ability to get a job?
Do you have the ability to join a gym?
if you have access to a free gym, I suggest you start using it.
the machine at your house is really not going to get you where you want to go.
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A member here is helping me out with a routine for the weight machine I have. I can't follow a traditional program since the weight can only be changed in 10 pound increments, and I don't have heavier dumbbells than 20 lbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »This is what's so funny. At that time, I could bench press on my machine 5 plates (50 pounds) for 12 reps. According to a chart I have for the machine, those 50 pounds correlate to a weight resistance of 120 pounds. Based on a couple (endurance) tests I've done with the two 20 pound dumbbells I have, I think it was equivalent to benching somewhere between 65-75 pounds. Now I can do the next weight on the machine (60 pounds, or 139 pounds of resistance) for almost the same number of reps. Just yesterday I floor pressed with the two 20 pound dumbbells for 40 reps, which correlates with a 1 rep max of 90-95 pounds. I'm guessing that means I would have a 1 rep max of 100-110 pounds with a barbell. So, in reality I know it's actually not all that impressive.
Dude no offense, my sister benches more and she never works out. She had to when she played golf in college but she's not a gym junkie. You would be so well served to bulk at 0.5-1lb/week and get on a linear progression program. Trust us man, we would not steer you wrong. I recently started working out again after a 6 month layoff due to injuries and was benching 8 reps with 35lb DBs, take that into consideration. Doing 40 reps is a waste of time and does nothing, aim for 3-4 sets of 5-8 reps and eat in a surplus to build muscle. Check out greyskull linear progression or Starting Strength.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
A member here is helping me out with a routine for the weight machine I have. I can't follow a traditional program since the weight can only be changed in 10 pound increments, and I don't have heavier dumbbells than 20 lbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »This is what's so funny. At that time, I could bench press on my machine 5 plates (50 pounds) for 12 reps. According to a chart I have for the machine, those 50 pounds correlate to a weight resistance of 120 pounds. Based on a couple (endurance) tests I've done with the two 20 pound dumbbells I have, I think it was equivalent to benching somewhere between 65-75 pounds. Now I can do the next weight on the machine (60 pounds, or 139 pounds of resistance) for almost the same number of reps. Just yesterday I floor pressed with the two 20 pound dumbbells for 40 reps, which correlates with a 1 rep max of 90-95 pounds. I'm guessing that means I would have a 1 rep max of 100-110 pounds with a barbell. So, in reality I know it's actually not all that impressive.
Dude no offense, my sister benches more and she never works out. She had to when she played golf in college but she's not a gym junkie. You would be so well served to bulk at 0.5-1lb/week and get on a linear progression program. Trust us man, we would not steer you wrong. I recently started working out again after a 6 month layoff due to injuries and was benching 8 reps with 35lb DBs, take that into consideration. Doing 40 reps is a waste of time and does nothing, aim for 3-4 sets of 5-8 reps and eat in a surplus to build muscle. Check out greyskull linear progression or Starting Strength.
the question is…are you going to do everything that she suggest that you do???? I hope yes...0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »A member here is helping me out with a routine for the weight machine I have. I can't follow a traditional program since the weight can only be changed in 10 pound increments, and I don't have heavier dumbbells than 20 lbs.
Join a cheap gym near you man, it's so worth it and you will make much better progress.0 -
I plan to.ForecasterJason wrote: »
A member here is helping me out with a routine for the weight machine I have. I can't follow a traditional program since the weight can only be changed in 10 pound increments, and I don't have heavier dumbbells than 20 lbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »This is what's so funny. At that time, I could bench press on my machine 5 plates (50 pounds) for 12 reps. According to a chart I have for the machine, those 50 pounds correlate to a weight resistance of 120 pounds. Based on a couple (endurance) tests I've done with the two 20 pound dumbbells I have, I think it was equivalent to benching somewhere between 65-75 pounds. Now I can do the next weight on the machine (60 pounds, or 139 pounds of resistance) for almost the same number of reps. Just yesterday I floor pressed with the two 20 pound dumbbells for 40 reps, which correlates with a 1 rep max of 90-95 pounds. I'm guessing that means I would have a 1 rep max of 100-110 pounds with a barbell. So, in reality I know it's actually not all that impressive.
Dude no offense, my sister benches more and she never works out. She had to when she played golf in college but she's not a gym junkie. You would be so well served to bulk at 0.5-1lb/week and get on a linear progression program. Trust us man, we would not steer you wrong. I recently started working out again after a 6 month layoff due to injuries and was benching 8 reps with 35lb DBs, take that into consideration. Doing 40 reps is a waste of time and does nothing, aim for 3-4 sets of 5-8 reps and eat in a surplus to build muscle. Check out greyskull linear progression or Starting Strength.
the question is…are you going to do everything that she suggest that you do???? I hope yes...
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I plan to.ForecasterJason wrote: »
A member here is helping me out with a routine for the weight machine I have. I can't follow a traditional program since the weight can only be changed in 10 pound increments, and I don't have heavier dumbbells than 20 lbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »This is what's so funny. At that time, I could bench press on my machine 5 plates (50 pounds) for 12 reps. According to a chart I have for the machine, those 50 pounds correlate to a weight resistance of 120 pounds. Based on a couple (endurance) tests I've done with the two 20 pound dumbbells I have, I think it was equivalent to benching somewhere between 65-75 pounds. Now I can do the next weight on the machine (60 pounds, or 139 pounds of resistance) for almost the same number of reps. Just yesterday I floor pressed with the two 20 pound dumbbells for 40 reps, which correlates with a 1 rep max of 90-95 pounds. I'm guessing that means I would have a 1 rep max of 100-110 pounds with a barbell. So, in reality I know it's actually not all that impressive.
Dude no offense, my sister benches more and she never works out. She had to when she played golf in college but she's not a gym junkie. You would be so well served to bulk at 0.5-1lb/week and get on a linear progression program. Trust us man, we would not steer you wrong. I recently started working out again after a 6 month layoff due to injuries and was benching 8 reps with 35lb DBs, take that into consideration. Doing 40 reps is a waste of time and does nothing, aim for 3-4 sets of 5-8 reps and eat in a surplus to build muscle. Check out greyskull linear progression or Starting Strength.
the question is…are you going to do everything that she suggest that you do???? I hope yes...
good for you bro …I hope you do….
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ForecasterJason wrote: »I plan to.
Nice man. But you do realize that you have to EAT! Your stomach issues will most likely go away as you gain weight, and none of this 1lb a month, that's not a plan at all. Aim for 2-4lbs, 4lbs preferably until you hit 145-150 then go to 0.5lbs per week. You are in a great situation for gains but are cutting yourself short with your current plan.
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There's a TV programme over here in the UK called "Supersize versus Superskinny" and, almost without exception, the most honest individuals about their weight issues, their causes and their responsibility for them, were the big ones. The skinny ones were all full of excuses and in all honesty liked being skinny and wore it as a badge of honour...rarely did they achieve as much in changing their weight as the big ones.
Reading your comments on this thread reminded me of that programme.0 -
I'm 20, just under 5'8" and hover around 120-123 pounds.
I'm sad for you.
at 5'8" you should weigh much closer to 160 pounds- you aren't "blessed to have abs" honestly. ... you should be genuinely concerned about how under weight you are.
here's me at 155ish last year- same height as you
Just took these in my kitchen- I'm about 7 pounds heavier- post bulk- technically pre bulk weight- still not as shredded- why- because I'm bigger. (and stronger)
Still look good though
no- abs aren't as fierce but did you check out these quads???
which means- i'm pretty sure I'm bigger than you- and that's just- sad.
BULK ALREADY PLEASE.0 -
I have so much quad envy right now!0
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Amen to what Jo said. Good job on the bulk, it definitely paid off!0
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Looking really great JoRocka!0
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At 19 I started out at 126lbs at almost 5'7". By the time I was 20, I gained 30lbs. How? I ate lots of foods INCLUDING fast food and pizza. The next year 21, I competed in my first contest. Didn't place in the top 5 (or 10 for that matter), but I still came in lean.
So if you want to gain weight, you need to eat a good surplus. The whole "clean" eating surplus is tough to do and it's A LOT of food to eat. Calories are what matter so the more calorie dense you can eat, the more you can put on.
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*nods*
thank you thank you.
I'm a picture/post *kitten*- I'm not even sorry about it. But I am really glad I took pictures before I ate and then drank two cups of tea LOL. I forgot how short my hair was last year too!! LOL0 -
I'm 20, just under 5'8" and hover around 120-123 pounds.
I'm sad for you.
at 5'8" you should weigh much closer to 160 pounds- you aren't "blessed to have abs" honestly. ... you should be genuinely concerned about how under weight you are.
here's me at 155ish last year- same height as you
Just took these in my kitchen- I'm about 7 pounds heavier- post bulk- technically pre bulk weight- still not as shredded- why- because I'm bigger. (and stronger)
Still look good though
no- abs aren't as fierce but did you check out these quads???
which means- i'm pretty sure I'm bigger than you- and that's just- sad.
BULK ALREADY PLEASE.
Dam girl!!!!!!!
Dem quadz!!!!
I'm saving these for private time later...bahahahaha jk0 -
OP, you say you don't have an ED, but your posts scream orthorexia.0
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Dam girl!!!!!!!
Dem quadz!!!!
I'm saving these for private time later...bahahahaha jk
i know right- they are coming right along- which my effing hammy's would catch up!! LOL.
- oh well.
Bah- don't save those- I have better ones- Just haven't posted- I'm a hot mess- like 5 hours of sleep after work last night and 3 hours of rehearsal today.. normally I'm more picky about what I post- but I felt I needed to prove a point.0 -
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aw thanks lovey... you should see the back though
all fabulous- all hooouuugggeeee LMAO. because everyone likes a big back.
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*nods*
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Eat a freakin pizza, burger, fries or a 1,000 calorie shake. For god's sake man0
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JeffseekingV wrote: »Eat a freakin pizza, burger, fries or a 1,000 calorie shake. For god's sake man
But then he can't be in his surplus of 100 cals per day, SMH....
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in 4 pics of Jo0
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Have you run across the work of Matt Stone her has a bunch of Ebooks on Amazon for 1.99/ea he has pretty awesome explanation for why digestion can slow on a restricted diet and why you become more sensitive to more foods over time.
May be something you want to look into. And his Aggressive Refeed to heal is an awesome way to put on weight. The High Everything Diet. I did it and can now eat a bunch of foods I couldn't previously because of food "intolerance".0 -
I know it's baby steps, but I do think I will most likely ditch the 100 calorie surplus idea in favor of at least 200 calories.
And thanks for posting pics, Jo.
Thanks for the suggestion.mspunkyone wrote: »Have you run across the work of Matt Stone her has a bunch of Ebooks on Amazon for 1.99/ea he has pretty awesome explanation for why digestion can slow on a restricted diet and why you become more sensitive to more foods over time.
May be something you want to look into. And his Aggressive Refeed to heal is an awesome way to put on weight. The High Everything Diet. I did it and can now eat a bunch of foods I couldn't previously because of food "intolerance".
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