Getting into a calorie surplus can be hard for some

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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    edited January 2015
    auddii wrote: »
    I think what you guys are forgetting (or some of you may not know) is that Sara is designing a program for me. I can't follow a traditional program because my equipment does not allow for it.

    And did Sara tell you to not train at all or start your bulk until she got back to you with the program she designs?

    I would be curious as to what the answer is..

    my guess is that if OP asked Sarah if he should start eating 100 extra calories a day now, that the answer would be yes....
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    Ahh ok I get it now. I was eagerly looking forward to the program, so that's why I was thinking I would start immediately on it once I get it. So if I get it tonight or tomorrow morning (which is certainly possible), I was planning on getting started tomorrow, rather than wait a few days.
    But for now I can continue with what I designed.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    why would you wait a few days?

    If you work out today- and you get the program tomorrow- do the program tomorrow.

    If it's a M-W-F program- then you can wait till Monday- but that doesn't mean DO NOTHING till next week.
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    why would you wait a few days?

    If you work out today- and you get the program tomorrow- do the program tomorrow.

    If it's a M-W-F program- then you can wait till Monday- but that doesn't mean DO NOTHING till next week.
    Ok. I was thinking if I work out today (especially if I do both upper and lower body) I'd wait a couple days to let my muscles recover.

  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    odds are you aren't working that hard.
  • 3bambi3
    3bambi3 Posts: 1,650 Member
    I think what you guys are forgetting (or some of you may not know) is that Sara is designing a program for me.

    Do you appreciate how awesome that is?

    I usually lurk, but I just can't even with this thread anymore. When I am lean enough to start a bulk, I will be coming back here to re-read all of the amazing advice you've been given.

    To everyone else posting in this thread: Thank you! Even though I don't post much on the forums, I'm on here quite a bit and have learned a ton from you all. Love your advice, love the snark, love the abs! You guys are the best and I'd get you all lifetime supplies of Talenti if I could.
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    3bambi3 wrote: »
    I think what you guys are forgetting (or some of you may not know) is that Sara is designing a program for me.

    Do you appreciate how awesome that is?
    Yes, for sure! :D

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  • amandarunning
    amandarunning Posts: 306 Member
    Gotta be a troll surely...I'm out!
  • JeffseekingV
    JeffseekingV Posts: 3,165 Member
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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    annoying-gym-newbies-meme-generator-advised-to-eat-more-nah-i-don-t-wanna-get-fat-b9f9b8.jpg

    lol
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    edited January 2015
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
    Yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not trying to make this an excuse, but I did want to discuss metabolisms further. I'd venture to say my BMR is most likely higher than what most calculators suggest. According to the MFP app, I should be able to gain a half pound a week eating 2160 calories, which is simply not right. Given my activity level is rather low (unless I'm burning that much more through fidgeting), I would think this is a difference in BMR instead of overall TDEE.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
    Yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not trying to make this an excuse, but I did want to discuss metabolisms further. I'd venture to say my BMR is most likely higher than what most calculators suggest. According to the MFP app, I should be able to gain a half pound a week eating 2160 calories, which is simply not right. Given my activity level is rather low (unless I'm burning that much more through fidgeting), I would think this is a difference in BMR instead of overall TDEE.

    You won't really know until you find a calorie level where you actually start putting on a measurable amount of weight. All of the calculators are estimates for everyone. They work better for some people more so than others. If you aren't gaining, add more calories.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
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    :laugh:
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
    Yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not trying to make this an excuse, but I did want to discuss metabolisms further. I'd venture to say my BMR is most likely higher than what most calculators suggest. According to the MFP app, I should be able to gain a half pound a week eating 2160 calories, which is simply not right. Given my activity level is rather low (unless I'm burning that much more through fidgeting), I would think this is a difference in BMR instead of overall TDEE.

    You won't really know until you find a calorie level where you actually start putting on a measurable amount of weight. All of the calculators are estimates for everyone. They work better for some people more so than others. If you aren't gaining, add more calories.
    Ok.

  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
    Yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not trying to make this an excuse, but I did want to discuss metabolisms further. I'd venture to say my BMR is most likely higher than what most calculators suggest. According to the MFP app, I should be able to gain a half pound a week eating 2160 calories, which is simply not right. Given my activity level is rather low (unless I'm burning that much more through fidgeting), I would think this is a difference in BMR instead of overall TDEE.

    Just eat...

    Calculators tell me my TDEE is 2900.. I'm maintaining on 3600 and no cardio. Dealwithit.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
    Yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not trying to make this an excuse, but I did want to discuss metabolisms further. I'd venture to say my BMR is most likely higher than what most calculators suggest. According to the MFP app, I should be able to gain a half pound a week eating 2160 calories, which is simply not right. Given my activity level is rather low (unless I'm burning that much more through fidgeting), I would think this is a difference in BMR instead of overall TDEE.

    My TDEE without exercise is ~3100. (Even with my usual minimal exercise it's about ~3300.) So you know what I had to do to add mass? Eat even more. MFP thinks I should be adding pounds each week at that amount of food. Do you think I adjusted my eating to coincide with what MFP thinks? Of course not. I kept packing away the food because I had my own calculations based on daily food and weight logs...so now instead of weighing 170ish pounds like I did last summer, I weigh 195ish pounds.

    The calculator has absolutely no bearing on the answer to your problem...which is that you aren't eating enough food. Same answer that was given earlier. Same answer that will be given in the future.

    Our seemingly relatively high BMRs isn't some kind of badge of honor. It's just a factor that needs to be considered in determining what needs to be done to reach our goals.
  • JeffseekingV
    JeffseekingV Posts: 3,165 Member
    I tried to look up the calorie count for fidgeting but no luck
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    Can everyone just stop bragging about their super high metabolisms?! Kthx!
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    edited January 2015
    auddii wrote: »
    Can everyone just stop bragging about their super high metabolisms?! Kthx!

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    But seriously...

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  • Cortelli
    Cortelli Posts: 1,369 Member
    This thread still going? Has anyone advised the OP to eat more?
  • diannethegeek
    diannethegeek Posts: 14,776 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    Can everyone just stop bragging about their super high metabolisms?! Kthx!

    <-- 2200 calories to maintain right here.

  • AKDonF
    AKDonF Posts: 235 Member
    Cortelli wrote: »
    This thread still going? Has anyone advised the OP to eat more?

    I don't know...lol... I wonder if OP has read this EVER???http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/muscle-gain-mistakes.html/
  • AliceDark
    AliceDark Posts: 3,886 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
    Yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not trying to make this an excuse, but I did want to discuss metabolisms further. I'd venture to say my BMR is most likely higher than what most calculators suggest. According to the MFP app, I should be able to gain a half pound a week eating 2160 calories, which is simply not right. Given my activity level is rather low (unless I'm burning that much more through fidgeting), I would think this is a difference in BMR instead of overall TDEE.
    Why do you think that matters? (I realize that sounds negative, but I'm asking as a serious question). If you have a high BMR and you're not gaining, you need to eat more. If you have a low BMR and you're not gaining, the answer is still...eat more. People gained and lost weight before they understood how calories worked.

  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    edited January 2015
    Ok, so I see there are enough others here whose BMR is above average.
    Either way, today has been a great day. I'm pretty sure I'll end the day eating more than if it was a few weeks ago. And I also got a 20-25 minute workout in earlier, which I think may have ramped up my appetite a bit. :)

    AliceDark wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
    Yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not trying to make this an excuse, but I did want to discuss metabolisms further. I'd venture to say my BMR is most likely higher than what most calculators suggest. According to the MFP app, I should be able to gain a half pound a week eating 2160 calories, which is simply not right. Given my activity level is rather low (unless I'm burning that much more through fidgeting), I would think this is a difference in BMR instead of overall TDEE.
    Why do you think that matters? (I realize that sounds negative, but I'm asking as a serious question). If you have a high BMR and you're not gaining, you need to eat more. If you have a low BMR and you're not gaining, the answer is still...eat more. People gained and lost weight before they understood how calories worked.
    Calorie needs is something I've been fascinated by a bit for some time. From my understanding, muscle to fat ratio plays a big role in how some people of similar size and activity level can have different calorie needs. I have long theorized that if I had 12% body fat as opposed to 8% (but still same weight) perhaps my BMR would be about 25-50 calories lower than it is.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    JUST EAT THE DAMN FOOD BRO.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for realz….
  • JeffseekingV
    JeffseekingV Posts: 3,165 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    JUST EAT THE DAMN FOOD BRO.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for realz….

    yes
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  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    Ok, so I see there are enough others here whose BMR is above average.
    Either way, today has been a great day. I'm pretty sure I'll end the day eating more than if it was a few weeks ago. And I also got a 20-25 minute workout in earlier, which I think may have ramped up my appetite a bit. :)

    AliceDark wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    OP - did you add in that extra 100 calories a day yet????
    Yeah, pretty much.
    I'm not trying to make this an excuse, but I did want to discuss metabolisms further. I'd venture to say my BMR is most likely higher than what most calculators suggest. According to the MFP app, I should be able to gain a half pound a week eating 2160 calories, which is simply not right. Given my activity level is rather low (unless I'm burning that much more through fidgeting), I would think this is a difference in BMR instead of overall TDEE.
    Why do you think that matters? (I realize that sounds negative, but I'm asking as a serious question). If you have a high BMR and you're not gaining, you need to eat more. If you have a low BMR and you're not gaining, the answer is still...eat more. People gained and lost weight before they understood how calories worked.
    Calorie needs is something I've been fascinated by a bit for some time. From my understanding, muscle to fat ratio plays a big role in how some people of similar size and activity level can have different calorie needs. I have long theorized that if I had 12% body fat as opposed to 8% (but still same weight) perhaps my BMR would be about 25-50 calories lower than it is.

    I wouldn't worry about the minutia right now. Just eat more till you start gaining then keep going till you get to where you want. Adjust calories upwards as required to account for your higher weight as you go. It's so easy hundreds of millions of people are doing it as we discuss this and they aren't even trying.
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