Getting into a calorie surplus can be hard for some
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
No, I ate dinner and dessert at a friend's house, so I didn't want to bother trying to log it.
And did you actually only eat 1100 calories that day?ForecasterJason wrote: »
I actually do sometimes, even as recently as this past Tuesday.
OP: you might consider having some pizza now and again. It would fit right in with this crazy theme of "eat more food."Helloooooooo Hypertrophyville.
OP: Don't try to say that three times in a row (with the proper length and vocalization on the "hello"). It will burn 25 - 50 cals that you might otherwise need to eat back, just as if you had a slightly higher body fat at the same weight and therefore had a lower BMR naturally.
OP: on another note; curiosity / fascination about calories and human physiology is fine. Great hobby! Just don't tunnel vision yourself into overthinking stuff. Eat more food. Lift weights.
Cortelli: Stop bumping this thread and offering advice that is ignored / deflected by OP.
It's time to put the beer down sir.
Speaking of that day, I couldn't help but think of the broccoli vs brownie discussion I've had in other threads. Green beans were part of the dinner, and there was brownies and ice-cream for dessert.
I know it's hard to log certain foods and many don't try but you should try to log it even if you are off by a long shot it's better than not at all.
agreed…that is what I do ...
Yup, same. Ultimately, given your propensity for geeking out on the data, you may want to be able to math some things like your TDEE. Without a complete log, it won't be as accurate. It's how I can essentially choose my goal weight, choose the goal date, and calculate the deficit to reach it. This kind of data is very helpful...if you're into that kind of thing.0 -
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I don't think quite that much. I just went back and logged it and got close to 900 calories. As a maximum I'd say 1200 calories.ForecasterJason wrote: »
No, I ate dinner and dessert at a friend's house, so I didn't want to bother trying to log it.
And did you actually only eat 1100 calories that day?ForecasterJason wrote: »
I actually do sometimes, even as recently as this past Tuesday.
OP: you might consider having some pizza now and again. It would fit right in with this crazy theme of "eat more food."Helloooooooo Hypertrophyville.
OP: Don't try to say that three times in a row (with the proper length and vocalization on the "hello"). It will burn 25 - 50 cals that you might otherwise need to eat back, just as if you had a slightly higher body fat at the same weight and therefore had a lower BMR naturally.
OP: on another note; curiosity / fascination about calories and human physiology is fine. Great hobby! Just don't tunnel vision yourself into overthinking stuff. Eat more food. Lift weights.
Cortelli: Stop bumping this thread and offering advice that is ignored / deflected by OP.
It's time to put the beer down sir.
Speaking of that day, I couldn't help but think of the broccoli vs brownie discussion I've had in other threads. Green beans were part of the dinner, and there was brownies and ice-cream for dessert.
So then it's safe to say that dinner and dessert was at least 1400 calories?
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think quite that much. I just went back and logged it and got close to 900 calories. As a maximum I'd say 1200 calories.ForecasterJason wrote: »
No, I ate dinner and dessert at a friend's house, so I didn't want to bother trying to log it.
And did you actually only eat 1100 calories that day?ForecasterJason wrote: »
I actually do sometimes, even as recently as this past Tuesday.
OP: you might consider having some pizza now and again. It would fit right in with this crazy theme of "eat more food."Helloooooooo Hypertrophyville.
OP: Don't try to say that three times in a row (with the proper length and vocalization on the "hello"). It will burn 25 - 50 cals that you might otherwise need to eat back, just as if you had a slightly higher body fat at the same weight and therefore had a lower BMR naturally.
OP: on another note; curiosity / fascination about calories and human physiology is fine. Great hobby! Just don't tunnel vision yourself into overthinking stuff. Eat more food. Lift weights.
Cortelli: Stop bumping this thread and offering advice that is ignored / deflected by OP.
It's time to put the beer down sir.
Speaking of that day, I couldn't help but think of the broccoli vs brownie discussion I've had in other threads. Green beans were part of the dinner, and there was brownies and ice-cream for dessert.
So then it's safe to say that dinner and dessert was at least 1400 calories?
my man almost ate 2500 calories today ..there may be hope for him after all …!0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think quite that much. I just went back and logged it and got close to 900 calories. As a maximum I'd say 1200 calories.ForecasterJason wrote: »
No, I ate dinner and dessert at a friend's house, so I didn't want to bother trying to log it.
And did you actually only eat 1100 calories that day?ForecasterJason wrote: »
I actually do sometimes, even as recently as this past Tuesday.
OP: you might consider having some pizza now and again. It would fit right in with this crazy theme of "eat more food."Helloooooooo Hypertrophyville.
OP: Don't try to say that three times in a row (with the proper length and vocalization on the "hello"). It will burn 25 - 50 cals that you might otherwise need to eat back, just as if you had a slightly higher body fat at the same weight and therefore had a lower BMR naturally.
OP: on another note; curiosity / fascination about calories and human physiology is fine. Great hobby! Just don't tunnel vision yourself into overthinking stuff. Eat more food. Lift weights.
Cortelli: Stop bumping this thread and offering advice that is ignored / deflected by OP.
It's time to put the beer down sir.
Speaking of that day, I couldn't help but think of the broccoli vs brownie discussion I've had in other threads. Green beans were part of the dinner, and there was brownies and ice-cream for dessert.
So then it's safe to say that dinner and dessert was at least 1400 calories?
my man almost ate 2500 calories today ..there may be hope for him after all …!
The real test will be tomorrow. His body will likely give him the "no more food needed" signals.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think quite that much. I just went back and logged it and got close to 900 calories. As a maximum I'd say 1200 calories.ForecasterJason wrote: »
No, I ate dinner and dessert at a friend's house, so I didn't want to bother trying to log it.
And did you actually only eat 1100 calories that day?ForecasterJason wrote: »
I actually do sometimes, even as recently as this past Tuesday.
OP: you might consider having some pizza now and again. It would fit right in with this crazy theme of "eat more food."Helloooooooo Hypertrophyville.
OP: Don't try to say that three times in a row (with the proper length and vocalization on the "hello"). It will burn 25 - 50 cals that you might otherwise need to eat back, just as if you had a slightly higher body fat at the same weight and therefore had a lower BMR naturally.
OP: on another note; curiosity / fascination about calories and human physiology is fine. Great hobby! Just don't tunnel vision yourself into overthinking stuff. Eat more food. Lift weights.
Cortelli: Stop bumping this thread and offering advice that is ignored / deflected by OP.
It's time to put the beer down sir.
Speaking of that day, I couldn't help but think of the broccoli vs brownie discussion I've had in other threads. Green beans were part of the dinner, and there was brownies and ice-cream for dessert.
So then it's safe to say that dinner and dessert was at least 1400 calories?
my man almost ate 2500 calories today ..there may be hope for him after all …!
The real test will be tomorrow. His body will likely give him the "no more food needed" signals.
Start the day with a high carb meal that is low on fat. That should help increase hunger later.0 -
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JeffseekingV wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
No, I ate dinner and dessert at a friend's house, so I didn't want to bother trying to log it.
And did you actually only eat 1100 calories that day?ForecasterJason wrote: »
I actually do sometimes, even as recently as this past Tuesday.
OP: you might consider having some pizza now and again. It would fit right in with this crazy theme of "eat more food."Helloooooooo Hypertrophyville.
OP: Don't try to say that three times in a row (with the proper length and vocalization on the "hello"). It will burn 25 - 50 cals that you might otherwise need to eat back, just as if you had a slightly higher body fat at the same weight and therefore had a lower BMR naturally.
OP: on another note; curiosity / fascination about calories and human physiology is fine. Great hobby! Just don't tunnel vision yourself into overthinking stuff. Eat more food. Lift weights.
Cortelli: Stop bumping this thread and offering advice that is ignored / deflected by OP.
It's time to put the beer down sir.
Speaking of that day, I couldn't help but think of the broccoli vs brownie discussion I've had in other threads. Green beans were part of the dinner, and there was brownies and ice-cream for dessert.
I know it's hard to log certain foods and many don't try but you should try to log it even if you are off by a long shot it's better than not at all.
If he wants to try to get his "bulk" down to 100 calorie increments, he had better try to keep track. If he doesn't want to track, then the only way is to stuff yourself silly and make sure you blow it out of the water. As being way OVER is how you'd want to handle a mistake. But.....you know man
On the phone app you can't read this or respond but you can on the web. I imagine that will change as soon as they figure out how to do the same thing on the web.0 -
so. if jeff's got bars- but can still post- what exactly does that mean?
I mean what's the point of "jail time" if he can still post- and PM... what am I missing.
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I'm made jelly- I'm trying to cut- still. I'm back up to 165- and I don't want to be- going the wrong direction... but I'm eating less than 1800 regularly- 1600- should be taking me down... it's just so hard to eat that little.
shameful.
I wanted to bulk this year.
Fark me.0 -
so. if jeff's got bars- but can still post- what exactly does that mean?
I mean what's the point of "jail time" if he can still post- and PM... what am I missing.
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m
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I'm made jelly- I'm trying to cut- still. I'm back up to 165- and I don't want to be- going the wrong direction... but I'm eating less than 1800 regularly- 1600- should be taking me down... it's just so hard to eat that little.
shameful.
I wanted to bulk this year.
Fark me.
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seroiusly.
fat kid is fat and likes to eat to much.
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so. if jeff's got bars- but can still post- what exactly does that mean?
I mean what's the point of "jail time" if he can still post- and PM... what am I missing.
also
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m
e
I'm made jelly- I'm trying to cut- still. I'm back up to 165- and I don't want to be- going the wrong direction... but I'm eating less than 1800 regularly- 1600- should be taking me down... it's just so hard to eat that little.
shameful.
I wanted to bulk this year.
Fark me.
Well from the other day when you posted some pictures, you've made 165 look pretty damn good IMO!
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Agreed!so. if jeff's got bars- but can still post- what exactly does that mean?
I mean what's the point of "jail time" if he can still post- and PM... what am I missing.
also
l
a
m
e
I'm made jelly- I'm trying to cut- still. I'm back up to 165- and I don't want to be- going the wrong direction... but I'm eating less than 1800 regularly- 1600- should be taking me down... it's just so hard to eat that little.
shameful.
I wanted to bulk this year.
Fark me.
Well from the other day when you posted some pictures, you've made 165 look pretty damn good IMO!
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so. if jeff's got bars- but can still post- what exactly does that mean?
I mean what's the point of "jail time" if he can still post- and PM... what am I missing.
also
l
a
m
e
I'm made jelly- I'm trying to cut- still. I'm back up to 165- and I don't want to be- going the wrong direction... but I'm eating less than 1800 regularly- 1600- should be taking me down... it's just so hard to eat that little.
shameful.
I wanted to bulk this year.
Fark me.
Well from the other day when you posted some pictures, you've made 165 look pretty damn good IMO!
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why thank you both
LOL I'm not unhappy- I am okay with the way I look- but I would be happier with about 10 pounds down- I want my abs back.
Unfortunately I got a glimpse last year- and I have the flat weird abs- not the sex sectioned ones- you know what I"m talking about- so I think I'm forever just not going to have sexy abs- so I'll take lean ones instead- and shoulder caps- I would like shoulder caps.
So just a LEEETTTLE more.
And honestly- I can't get to much lower- no one wants a shredded dancer at dinner- it's not a good look and I won't be making much on it.0 -
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why thank you both
LOL I'm not unhappy- I am okay with the way I look- but I would be happier with about 10 pounds down- I want my abs back.
Unfortunately I got a glimpse last year- and I have the flat weird abs- not the sex sectioned ones- you know what I"m talking about- so I think I'm forever just not going to have sexy abs- so I'll take lean ones instead- and shoulder caps- I would like shoulder caps.
So just a LEEETTTLE more.
And honestly- I can't get to much lower- no one wants a shredded dancer at dinner- it's not a good look and I won't be making much on it.
Agree with the others - totally hot in those pics!
I can definitely sympathise, I need to go looooowwww to cut - goddamn stupid big maintenance range
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Came back to see OP is still eating less than 2,500, good luck with your wheel spinning for 2015.0
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I still haven't ramped up my training much yet (should still be doing so pretty soon), so it probably wouldn't do me much good anyway to be in that much of a surplus just yet. Also, I'm not sure that it'll take 2500 calories before I start gaining.0
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ForecasterJason wrote: »I still haven't ramped up my training much yet (should still be doing so pretty soon), so it probably wouldn't do me much good anyway to be in that much of a surplus just yet. Also, I'm not sure that it'll take 2500 calories before I start gaining.
It has been more than a week, what are you doing? Join a gym, pick a beginner program, and eat!
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If you remember from what I stated on pages 5-6, my plan is to stick with the training equipment I have using a program that a member here is designing for me. I have still been doing some training in the meantime though. Not much volume, but I'm thinking enough to take advantage of the slight increase in calories I've been doing most days.ForecasterJason wrote: »I still haven't ramped up my training much yet (should still be doing so pretty soon), so it probably wouldn't do me much good anyway to be in that much of a surplus just yet. Also, I'm not sure that it'll take 2500 calories before I start gaining.
It has been more than a week, what are you doing? Join a gym, pick a beginner program, and eat!
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ForecasterJason wrote: »If you remember from what I stated on pages 5-6, my plan is to stick with the training equipment I have using a program that a member here is designing for me. I have still been doing some training in the meantime though. Not much volume, but I'm thinking enough to take advantage of the slight increase in calories I've been doing most days.
Why can't you join a gym? A program doesn't take a week to write, this is nuts. Just train and eat or stay small man, I've never seen someone stall so much as you.0 -
I got my machine free from someone who no longer had use for it, so I'd like to be able to really take advantage of it.ForecasterJason wrote: »If you remember from what I stated on pages 5-6, my plan is to stick with the training equipment I have using a program that a member here is designing for me. I have still been doing some training in the meantime though. Not much volume, but I'm thinking enough to take advantage of the slight increase in calories I've been doing most days.
Why can't you join a gym? A program doesn't take a week to write, this is nuts. Just train and eat or stay small man, I've never seen someone stall so much as you.
I do find it almost comical how unusual of a situation this is. Access to the training program is beyond my control at the moment, but it adds to the prolonged nature of the situation.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »I got my machine free from someone who no longer had use for it, so I'd like to be able to really take advantage of it.
I do find it almost comical how unusual of a situation this is. Access to the training program is beyond my control at the moment, but it adds to the prolonged nature of the situation.
This is not an unusual situation, you just think you're a unique snowflake and you're not. That machine is inferior to a barbell and dumbbells, who cares if you got it for free. If you actually want to get real gains then join a cheap gym, pick one of the programs already mentioned in this thread, and eat. Either way I'm done, I'll most likely see another thread like this in a year's time with you complaining about your lack of results.0 -
Given my size and current strength levels, you seriously don't think I can make significant progress with a machine? And what I meant by an unusual situation was my training setup and the lack of programs that can accommodate it.ForecasterJason wrote: »I got my machine free from someone who no longer had use for it, so I'd like to be able to really take advantage of it.
I do find it almost comical how unusual of a situation this is. Access to the training program is beyond my control at the moment, but it adds to the prolonged nature of the situation.
This is not an unusual situation, you just think you're a unique snowflake and you're not. That machine is inferior to a barbell and dumbbells, who cares if you got it for free. If you actually want to get real gains then join a cheap gym, pick one of the programs already mentioned in this thread, and eat. Either way I'm done, I'll most likely see another thread like this in a year's time with you complaining about your lack of results.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Given my size and current strength levels, you seriously don't think I can make significant progress with a machine? And what I meant by an unusual situation was my training setup and the lack of programs that can accommodate it.
The machine you have cannot can provide close to the stimulus that a barbell and dumbbells can. Your training setup is determined by how much money you're willing to spend. If I were you I would sell the machine on Craiglist and join a real gym. Let this sink in: my 22yr old sister, who works out once in a blue moon, is STRONGER than you. Stronger in every single lift you posted. If you can do more than a couple pull-ups then you have her there but that's it. Unless you plan on being a weakling your whole life then do something about it and join a gym and eat. Very few girls will want to be with a guy your size, so it's your choice.
Seriously man, you're 20yrs old and acting like you're 10. Do some google searches and you'll see why joining a gym and getting on an actual program (that is already created and not one that takes weeks to come up with) is the best course of action for you. I'm going to bed, I've wasted enough time trying to help you.0 -
Seriously, no I don't think you can make decent gains on your home machine since they are generally poorly designed and meant for hanging clothes on rather than working out with. Your progress on that home machine will be very limited and you'll just be more frustrated than satisfied in the end. You have mentioned before that you have access to a campus gym so why not use it?
Are you just suffering from gymtimidation? If so, don't worry about it since the people there will actually be very helpful. Everyone starts somewhere and you will be surprised at the respect you will get. Oh, and the scenery is much better in a campus gym than in your basement if that means anything to you!
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Given my size and current strength levels, you seriously don't think I can make significant progress with a machine? And what I meant by an unusual situation was my training setup and the lack of programs that can accommodate it.
The machine you have cannot can provide close to the stimulus that a barbell and dumbbells can. Your training setup is determined by how much money you're willing to spend. If I were you I would sell the machine on Craiglist and join a real gym. Let this sink in: my 22yr old sister, who works out once in a blue moon, is STRONGER than you. Stronger in every single lift you posted. If you can do more than a couple pull-ups then you have her there but that's it. Unless you plan on being a weakling your whole life then do something about it and join a gym and eat. Very few girls will want to be with a guy your size, so it's your choice.
Seriously man, you're 20yrs old and acting like you're 10. Do some google searches and you'll see why joining a gym and getting on an actual program (that is already created and not one that takes weeks to come up with) is the best course of action for you. I'm going to bed, I've wasted enough time trying to help you.
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I think if I didn't just get the machine a few months ago I probably would just use my campus gym. I guess what jbgolf is saying is that my machine can't provide enough stimulus for my muscles to grow, although I don't quite understand why not. I've read that free weights do a lot better job with the stabilizing muscles. But for the muscles actually involved in the lift, I find it hard to understand that I wouldn't be able to make much progress if I'm in a calorie surplus. I know most of what I've done thus far with the machine hasn't been very optimal for much growth, but how would it not work if I'm doing the similar amount of volume as with free weights? Is it that the muscles simply can't get taxed enough, even with training to failure?Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Seriously, no I don't think you can make decent gains on your home machine since they are generally poorly designed and meant for hanging clothes on rather than working out with. Your progress on that home machine will be very limited and you'll just be more frustrated than satisfied in the end. You have mentioned before that you have access to a campus gym so why not use it?
Are you just suffering from gymtimidation? If so, don't worry about it since the people there will actually be very helpful. Everyone starts somewhere and you will be surprised at the respect you will get. Oh, and the scenery is much better in a campus gym than in your basement if that means anything to you!
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I think if I didn't just get the machine a few months ago I probably would just use my campus gym. I guess what jbgolf is saying is that my machine can't provide enough stimulus for my muscles to grow, although I don't quite understand why not. I've read that free weights do a lot better job with the stabilizing muscles. But for the muscles actually involved in the lift, I find it hard to understand that I wouldn't be able to make much progress if I'm in a calorie surplus. I know most of what I've done thus far with the machine hasn't been very optimal for much growth, but how would it not work if I'm doing the similar amount of volume as with free weights? Is it that the muscles simply can't get taxed enough, even with training to failure?Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Seriously, no I don't think you can make decent gains on your home machine since they are generally poorly designed and meant for hanging clothes on rather than working out with. Your progress on that home machine will be very limited and you'll just be more frustrated than satisfied in the end. You have mentioned before that you have access to a campus gym so why not use it?
Are you just suffering from gymtimidation? If so, don't worry about it since the people there will actually be very helpful. Everyone starts somewhere and you will be surprised at the respect you will get. Oh, and the scenery is much better in a campus gym than in your basement if that means anything to you!
So what exactly is this machine? You've never told us what it actually is. Is it a bow flex or weight stack or something else?0 -
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