Getting into a calorie surplus can be hard for some
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »
yup...original post was January ninth, and today is the 19th, so that is ten days, I am gaining about .5 pound a week so I have put on just about one pound since OP started this madness...0 -
I've put on five pounds just from comfort eating because of how frustrating this thread is. Humph!0
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »
yup...original post was January ninth, and today is the 19th, so that is ten days, I am gaining about .5 pound a week so I have put on just about one pound since OP started this madness...
Now before OP or anyone else gets confused about this, the above numbers are *AVERAGES*. ndj isn't gaining exactly 0.071429 pounds each day. Some days he's probably up 2-3 pounds...and other days down as much...but ON AVERAGE he's gaining about 0.5 pounds each week.
And the way he's doing this is by eating at a calorie surplus of ON AVERAGE of 250 calories each day. He's probably doing this by measuring and logging the food he's eating to ensure he eats the right/sufficient amounts. Alternatively, he's eating until he's full and then eating a little more to ensure he's in a surplus (and then after a sufficient period of time, evaluating his progress using several metrics and adjusting accordingly). Or perhaps a combination of these two approaches.
Meanwhile, he's consistently lifting relatively heavy weights in a gym somewhere (perhaps in his house, perhaps not) following a reasonable program with progressively heavier weights/volume over time. He's almost certainly doing more than 2-3 sets of the main exercises and those probably involve a heavy barbell or perhaps heavy dumbbells.
Every bit of this post is entirely speculation...I don't actually know his approach to eating and lifting...and yet I know I'm mostly right (and likely *entirely* right)...because these are the things that 99.44% of people trying to add mass do...and they do these things because they work.0 -
No, which is why I decided to "ramp up" my training some. The most volume I'd ever really done over the course of a given week was 2 sets of bench press, 2 sets of lat pulldown, 1-3 sets of standing rows with the ab strap, 3 sets of leg presses, and 2 sets of leg curls 2 times a week. Back then (a couple months ago), I honestly thought that I could gain a pound a month on that. I think my proposed plan for now has that beat, especially with my legs.I'd be curious to know what Sara actually said to Jason as far as training goes. I wonder if she told him to basically do nothing till she gave him a program.
Knowing what I know now, maybe this is why I never got any water weight gain when I first started lifting, and in fact I lost half a pound a few weeks in (have since regained that and an extra pound or two).
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
yup...original post was January ninth, and today is the 19th, so that is ten days, I am gaining about .5 pound a week so I have put on just about one pound since OP started this madness...
Now before OP or anyone else gets confused about this, the above numbers are *AVERAGES*. ndj isn't gaining exactly 0.071429 pounds each day. Some days he's probably up 2-3 pounds...and other days down as much...but ON AVERAGE he's gaining about 0.5 pounds each week.
And the way he's doing this is by eating at a calorie surplus of ON AVERAGE of 250 calories each day. He's probably doing this by measuring and logging the food he's eating to ensure he eats the right/sufficient amounts. Alternatively, he's eating until he's full and then eating a little more to ensure he's in a surplus (and then after a sufficient period of time, evaluating his progress using several metrics and adjusting accordingly). Or perhaps a combination of these two approaches.
Meanwhile, he's consistently lifting relatively heavy weights in a gym somewhere (perhaps in his house, perhaps not) following a reasonable program with progressively heavier weights/volume over time. He's almost certainly doing more than 2-3 sets of the main exercises and those probably involve a heavy barbell or perhaps heavy dumbbells.
Every bit of this post is entirely speculation...I don't actually know his approach to eating and lifting...and yet I know I'm mostly right (and likely *entirely* right)...because these are the things that 99.44% of people trying to add mass do...and they do these things because they work.
get out of my head joff!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how the hell do you know all that???0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »
yup...original post was January ninth, and today is the 19th, so that is ten days, I am gaining about .5 pound a week so I have put on just about one pound since OP started this madness...
Similar results for me in this time. 145 on the 9th, 145.6 yesterday (146.4 today (coz fluctuations)
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Jason you don't seem to realise, everyone is trying (harder than you) to get you the gains you want. From the 9th to the 19th (inclusive), I've done 8, 50-70 min, workouts - you'll be lucky if you've done 80 mins TOTAL. You NEED to eat and you NEED to put the work in.
It's very cool that Sara is taking the time to put together a routine for you (as you seem to have some crazy attachment to a machine, that so far has done nothing for you) so you could repay her by putting in a bit of effort while you're waiting.
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Understood, will do.jofjltncb6 wrote: »
yup...original post was January ninth, and today is the 19th, so that is ten days, I am gaining about .5 pound a week so I have put on just about one pound since OP started this madness...
Similar results for me in this time. 145 on the 9th, 145.6 yesterday (146.4 today (coz fluctuations))
Jason you don't seem to realise, everyone is trying (harder than you) to get you the gains you want. From the 9th to the 19th (inclusive), I've done 8, 50-70 min, workouts - you'll be lucky if you've done 80 mins TOTAL. You NEED to eat and you NEED to put the work in.
It's very cool that Sara is taking the time to put together a routine for you (as you seem to have some crazy attachment to a machine, that so far has done nothing for you) so you could repay her by putting in a bit of effort while you're waiting.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Understood, will do.
No you don't, and you will not. It's obvious you will not as this thread is 10 pages long and you still have not done anything. Ditch Sara (whoever she is, no clue), lift heavy weights 3x/week at your campus gym, eat 300-500 cals over maintenance everyday, DONE. But that's too simple so let's try to reinvent the wheel so we can keep spinning it and getting nowhere.
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First of all, my statement was in response to Elaine's statement that I "could repay her by putting in a bit of effort while [I'm] waiting." From her post, she understands that I'm sticking with my gym. As long as I don't get injured, I see no reason why I can't go with more training volume than what I was doing before.ForecasterJason wrote: »Understood, will do.
No you don't, and you will not. It's obvious you will not as this thread is 10 pages long and you still have not done anything. Ditch Sara (whoever she is, no clue), lift heavy weights 3x/week at your campus gym, eat 300-500 cals over maintenance everyday, DONE. But that's too simple so let's try to reinvent the wheel so we can keep spinning it and getting nowhere.
In regards to Sara, ndj suggested to me a while back that I listen to her, and I know from other threads he wasn't the only one that said something similar. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10043499/this-is-sparta/p4
Considering some of the advice I've gotten directly clashes, maybe it's no surprise I haven't gotten anywhere yet.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »First of all, my statement was in response to Elaine's statement that I "could repay her by putting in a bit of effort while [I'm] waiting." From her post, she understands that I'm sticking with my gym. As long as I don't get injured, I see no reason why I can't go with more training volume than what I was doing before.
In regards to Sara, ndj suggested to me a while back that I listen to her, and I know from other threads he wasn't the only one that said something similar. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10043499/this-is-sparta/p4
Considering some of the advice I've gotten directly clashes, maybe it's no surprise I haven't gotten anywhere yet.
I know who you were responding to. Unlike yourself, I actually possess a brain capable of rational thought. How could you possibly injure yourself with your current routine? It's a joke. Also, do you plan on listening to people your whole life or actually make a choice for yourself?
Everyone here is on the same boat with regards to advice for you: go to your campus gym, lift heavy weights 3x/week or more, and eat in a surplus. What's insane is that you don't seem to be able to grasp this. I literally want to bang my head repeatedly against a wall looking at this thread, and I keep coming back to it to try and help you but you seem to love wasting everyone's time.
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I understand that free weights are better, but what I still don't understand is why I shouldn't be able to get somewhere with my machine (considering my stats). Aren't the basic mechanisms behind muscle growth simply progressive overload and a calorie surplus? I don't doubt that I can't put on 25-30 pounds with my machine. But what I'm failing to understand is, as long as I can continue to add weight (or reps in the hypertrophy range), why can't this work (for at least a few pounds of muscle, regardless of the time period)? Right now the only problem lift I see is with leg presses, in which I have maxed out and thus am forced to do it one leg at a time.
It just doesn't make sense to me that given my strength and size, if I can get into an appropriate surplus for my training, this can't work for the short term. My short term goal for the next two months (I still plan on getting outside and doing my favorite cardio once the weather warms up) is to be able to put on some upper body strength (which I haven't really been able to do since the end of November) aided by a bit of muscle growth. I literally can't bench press the equivalent of more than an additional 5 pounds over the newbie gains I got in the first 12 workouts I did in the fall. At this point, I'm just desperate more than anything to see something going again, which I thought should happen if I can get into a calorie surplus. I'm also working on some stretches to improve my posture, which is another thing I'm desperate to improve.
Don't get me wrong, long term I definitely do plan to put on more muscle than just a couple pounds. So it's not like I plan to stay at 125 pounds forever. But for the short term, I'm just longing to see something positive going again like I saw with the first few workouts I did. Maybe this will make more sense why I'm hesitant to give up my machine right now.0 -
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You know what, then go do what you want. Go do you own thing with your machine and follow your own plan. Why waste the time of the members of this section with the same repetitive questions over and over. Things get explained to you and it's like you refuse to absorb it. I swear this this question you are asking has been explained to you numerous times already but you are still stuck on the same stuff.
You are talking about "if you can get into a caloric surplus", seriously????? All these weeks here and you're still in the same spot. Either get into a surplus or don't but stop doing nothing which is exactly what you have been doing all this time.
The people is this section work hard, eat hard, train hard. What we don't do is dwell hard. At some point I hope the people here just get fed up with putting so much effort into someone that isn't willing to put in the work. Please don't say you are willing or will because you won't. 10 pages and it's as if we were on page 1.
Go ahead and report me again saying I am attacking you when I'm really just telling you the truth. Spend less time worrying about how someone says something to you and actually do something since you insist on hanging out in this section of the forum.
This right here. OP I really can't tell if you are trolling or not. You're "longing to see something positive," but you know what would give you results like this? Going to a real gym (campus gym), lifting heavy weights, and eating in a surplus. That machine sucks, stop holding on to it like a crutch. This is like my third time saying this and you have yet to actually address it. Think of it like this: would you drive a car that was given to you for free but barely has a working engine (it stalls all the time), has no AC or heat, no stereo, and no doors? Or would you want to drive an audi A4 with all the works for $10 a month? I know what I'm going with. But let's face it, you like to do nothing except to look for affirmation for what you're already doing and discard any advice contrary to it.
@ MrM27: Sorry about Sara, like I said earlier I don't hang out in the forum a lot so I'm not sure who she is.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »I understand that free weights are better, but what I still don't understand is why I shouldn't be able to get somewhere with my machine (considering my stats). Aren't the basic mechanisms behind muscle growth simply progressive overload and a calorie surplus? I don't doubt that I can't put on 25-30 pounds with my machine. But what I'm failing to understand is, as long as I can continue to add weight (or reps in the hypertrophy range), why can't this work (for at least a few pounds of muscle, regardless of the time period)? Right now the only problem lift I see is with leg presses, in which I have maxed out and thus am forced to do it one leg at a time.
It just doesn't make sense to me that given my strength and size, if I can get into an appropriate surplus for my training, this can't work for the short term. My short term goal for the next two months (I still plan on getting outside and doing my favorite cardio once the weather warms up) is to be able to put on some upper body strength (which I haven't really been able to do since the end of November) aided by a bit of muscle growth. I literally can't bench press the equivalent of more than an additional 5 pounds over the newbie gains I got in the first 12 workouts I did in the fall. At this point, I'm just desperate more than anything to see something going again, which I thought should happen if I can get into a calorie surplus. I'm also working on some stretches to improve my posture, which is another thing I'm desperate to improve.
Don't get me wrong, long term I definitely do plan to put on more muscle than just a couple pounds. So it's not like I plan to stay at 125 pounds forever. But for the short term, I'm just longing to see something positive going again like I saw with the first few workouts I did. Maybe this will make more sense why I'm hesitant to give up my machine right now.
10 + pages and we get this..
OP you are a lost cause..
please exit the aiming forum…
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This Thread is awesome. For an outsider, this whole topic is pretty hilarious. Guys how have we come so far?
Some other Guys probably told you that, i didnt read the 10 pages, but you just need to do a basic strength programm and get strong at the 3 big heavy lifts, Deadlift, squat and bench press. But put rows also to it.
Since you are a noob, you dont need any surplus or anything. You will gain muscle and weight over the next 6 months according to the strenght and new muscle mass you will get. After that, you need to think about a calorie suprlus, but you are so skinny and so weak, you even could get tons of muscle, even if you run a high caloric deficit.
Your starting point is just so low, that you need to focus on building strength first. Nothing else is important. Forget about the food and anything else. Only focus on the 3 big lifts and do them as often as possbible and slowley progress on them, put 5 lbs more on them every single time.0 -
This Thread is awesome. For an outsider, this whole topic is pretty hilarious. Guys how have we come so far?
Some other Guys probably told you that, i didnt read the 10 pages, but you just need to do a basic strength programm and get strong at the 3 big heavy lifts, Deadlift, squat and bench press. But put rows also to it.
Since you are a noob, you dont need any surplus or anything. You will gain muscle and weight over the next 6 months according to the strenght and new muscle mass you will get. After that, you need to think about a calorie suprlus, but you are so skinny and so weak, you even could get tons of muscle, even if you run a high caloric deficit.
Your starting point is just so low, that you need to focus on building strength first. Nothing else is important. Forget about the food and anything else. Only focus on the 3 big lifts and do them as often as possbible and slowley progress on them, put 5 lbs more on them every single time.
Wat?
OP is underweight and looking to gain weight, and you suggest to not eat at a surplus?0 -
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strong first post.This Thread is awesome. For an outsider, this whole topic is pretty hilarious. Guys how have we come so far?
Some other Guys probably told you that, i didnt read the 10 pages, but you just need to do a basic strength programm and get strong at the 3 big heavy lifts, Deadlift, squat and bench press. But put rows also to it.
Since you are a noob, you dont need any surplus or anything. You will gain muscle and weight over the next 6 months according to the strenght and new muscle mass you will get. After that, you need to think about a calorie suprlus, but you are so skinny and so weak, you even could get tons of muscle, even if you run a high caloric deficit.
Your starting point is just so low, that you need to focus on building strength first. Nothing else is important. Forget about the food and anything else. Only focus on the 3 big lifts and do them as often as possbible and slowley progress on them, put 5 lbs more on them every single time.
let's hope it's your last.
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strong first post.This Thread is awesome. For an outsider, this whole topic is pretty hilarious. Guys how have we come so far?
Some other Guys probably told you that, i didnt read the 10 pages, but you just need to do a basic strength programm and get strong at the 3 big heavy lifts, Deadlift, squat and bench press. But put rows also to it.
Since you are a noob, you dont need any surplus or anything. You will gain muscle and weight over the next 6 months according to the strenght and new muscle mass you will get. After that, you need to think about a calorie suprlus, but you are so skinny and so weak, you even could get tons of muscle, even if you run a high caloric deficit.
Your starting point is just so low, that you need to focus on building strength first. Nothing else is important. Forget about the food and anything else. Only focus on the 3 big lifts and do them as often as possbible and slowley progress on them, put 5 lbs more on them every single time.
let's hope it's your last.
sad part is that of all the posts on here this is the one that Jason will listen to.0 -
I don't see how I'd be able to get "tons of muscle" if I'm not eating at a surplus. But, it is true that for months my focus was more so on prioritizing strength > muscle.0
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No, I did agree to other posts yesterday (one on page 9 and another on this page).ForecasterJason wrote: »I don't see how I'd be able to get "tons of muscle" if I'm not eating at a surplus. But, it is true that for months my focus was more so on prioritizing strength > muscle.
A whole page of posts and that's the one you acknowledge. You have to be trolling at this point.
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This Thread is awesome. For an outsider, this whole topic is pretty hilarious. Guys how have we come so far?
Some other Guys probably told you that, i didnt read the 10 pages, but you just need to do a basic strength programm and get strong at the 3 big heavy lifts, Deadlift, squat and bench press. But put rows also to it.
Since you are a noob, you dont need any surplus or anything. You will gain muscle and weight over the next 6 months according to the strenght and new muscle mass you will get. After that, you need to think about a calorie suprlus, but you are so skinny and so weak, you even could get tons of muscle, even if you run a high caloric deficit.
Your starting point is just so low, that you need to focus on building strength first. Nothing else is important. Forget about the food and anything else. Only focus on the 3 big lifts and do them as often as possbible and slowley progress on them, put 5 lbs more on them every single time.
FFS hilarious is telling someone who's severely underweight that they can gain weight without a surplus. Strong first post!
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WTF is this thread? 10+ pages of eyeball bleed...0
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