Lifting Weights while in a calorie deficit

ndj1979

the level of derp and total misunderstanding of math and physics in this thread is amazing…

Let me break it down for you.

To build muscle you need extra mass. Extra mass for purpose of this discussion = calorie surplus.

To lose body fat you need an energy deficit. Energy deficit for our purpose = calorie deficit.

So if you want to add muscle, i.e. mass, you need to be in a calorie surplus.

If you want to lose body fat, you need an energy deficit, and need to eat in a calorie deficit.

So as we can see the process of building muscle and losing fat are diametrically opposed to one another.

Yes, some newbies can experience newbie gains, but that will only lat for a period of three to six months, at the end of which, said newbie gains will peter out.

Also, some high performance athletes may be able to build muscle in a calorie deficit but studies are conflicting on this.

So unless you are a high performance athlete or newbie you will not gain muscle in a calorie deficit.

Think of it this way. If you are building a house out of X materials, and run out of said materials. Can you finish building the house by tearing it down and building it back up at the same time, out of the same materials??????

ndj1979

jcmartin217 wrote: »

I'm happy my body doesn't read.....I would be pretty upset not to have gained all this muscle at a calorie deficit! I was already happy it couldn't hear that I couldn't gain doing the amount of cardio I do. I guess you all must be talking about gaining 100 lbs. of muscle or something?

how do you know that you have gained muscle in a calorie deficit? Or are you confusing losing body fat and showing existing muscle, with losing body fat and adding new muscle????

ndj1979

jcmartin217 wrote: »

The thing about the internet is you can listen to those who say it can't be done or you can keep looking to see if someone says it can be done. Maybe it's just a mental thing that I feel I burn fat on cardio days and gain muscle on lifting days but my mental power has family and friends convinced it's happening too. This program works for me at a calorie deficit and maybe it will work for others who refuse to believe it can't happen.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm

is LSD involved in this process of feeling the burned fat on cardio days and feeling the muscle gain on lifting days????

ana3067

ndj1979 wrote: »

jcmartin217 wrote: »

I'm happy my body doesn't read.....I would be pretty upset not to have gained all this muscle at a calorie deficit! I was already happy it couldn't hear that I couldn't gain doing the amount of cardio I do. I guess you all must be talking about gaining 100 lbs. of muscle or something?

how do you know that you have gained muscle in a calorie deficit? Or are you confusing losing body fat and showing existing muscle, with losing body fat and adding new muscle????

I'd guess it's this

Wheelhouse15

The answer is "yes" but not very much and for those with some biochem/microbio the answer lies with the interplay of things such as mTorc1, AMPK, IGF-1, IGF-2, MGH, etc. It doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics in the least but it doesn't work well either. Jason Blaha (Ice Cream Fitness/Jaugurnaught Fitness) did a good video response to Athlean-X's claims and admits that yes for a certain segment of the population (i.e. novice to intermediate and reconditioning lifters) that it does work but not well and has very strict parameters.

There was a post on BB.com by a PhD in exercise physiology that went through some of the calculations and if you are close but under maintenance it is possible since fat can be used to make up the energy difference. However, you will be lowered in your ability to synthesize new muscle tissue due to increases in AMPK levels. The greater the deficit the higher the AMPK levels and the less you can attract mTORC1 etc.

So a slight surplus will always be better for those trying to gain muscle. Also, the more advanced of a lifter you are the harder it becomes to gain and thus the larger the surplus will be needed to maximize muscle gains, but we already know this!

For those with more interest in this shoot me an email for some good links backed by current research.

Wheelhouse15

ndj1979 wrote: »

jcmartin217 wrote: »

The thing about the internet is you can listen to those who say it can't be done or you can keep looking to see if someone says it can be done. Maybe it's just a mental thing that I feel I burn fat on cardio days and gain muscle on lifting days but my mental power has family and friends convinced it's happening too. This program works for me at a calorie deficit and maybe it will work for others who refuse to believe it can't happen.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm

is LSD involved in this process of feeling the burned fat on cardio days and feeling the muscle gain on lifting days????

Any volunteers for that experiment?

ndj1979

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

The answer is "yes" but not very much and for those with some biochem/microbio the answer lies with the interplay of things such as mTorc1, AMPK, IGF-1, IGF-2, MGH, etc. It doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics in the least but it doesn't work well either. Jason Blaha (Ice Cream Fitness/Jaugurnaught Fitness) did a good video response to Athlean-X's claims and admits that yes for a certain segment of the population (i.e. novice to intermediate and reconditioning lifters) that it does work but not well and has very strict parameters.

There was a post on BB.com by a PhD in exercise physiology that went through some of the calculations and if you are close but under maintenance it is possible since fat can be used to make up the energy difference. However, you will be lowered in your ability to synthesize new muscle tissue due to increases in AMPK levels. The greater the deficit the higher the AMPK levels and the less you can attract mTORC1 etc.

So a slight surplus will always be better for those trying to gain muscle. Also, the more advanced of a lifter you are the harder it becomes to gain and thus the larger the surplus will be needed to maximize muscle gains, but we already know this!

For those with more interest in this shoot me an email for some good links backed by current research.

so basically what you are saying is that for 5% of the population it might be possible, but the other 95% of us are stuck with the good ole bulk/cut cycle????

feel free to correct my numbers…:)

ndj1979

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

ndj1979 wrote: »

jcmartin217 wrote: »

The thing about the internet is you can listen to those who say it can't be done or you can keep looking to see if someone says it can be done. Maybe it's just a mental thing that I feel I burn fat on cardio days and gain muscle on lifting days but my mental power has family and friends convinced it's happening too. This program works for me at a calorie deficit and maybe it will work for others who refuse to believe it can't happen.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm

is LSD involved in this process of feeling the burned fat on cardio days and feeling the muscle gain on lifting days????

Any volunteers for that experiment?

ill pass….

Wheelhouse15

ndj1979 wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

The answer is "yes" but not very much and for those with some biochem/microbio the answer lies with the interplay of things such as mTorc1, AMPK, IGF-1, IGF-2, MGH, etc. It doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics in the least but it doesn't work well either. Jason Blaha (Ice Cream Fitness/Jaugurnaught Fitness) did a good video response to Athlean-X's claims and admits that yes for a certain segment of the population (i.e. novice to intermediate and reconditioning lifters) that it does work but not well and has very strict parameters.

There was a post on BB.com by a PhD in exercise physiology that went through some of the calculations and if you are close but under maintenance it is possible since fat can be used to make up the energy difference. However, you will be lowered in your ability to synthesize new muscle tissue due to increases in AMPK levels. The greater the deficit the higher the AMPK levels and the less you can attract mTORC1 etc.

So a slight surplus will always be better for those trying to gain muscle. Also, the more advanced of a lifter you are the harder it becomes to gain and thus the larger the surplus will be needed to maximize muscle gains, but we already know this!

For those with more interest in this shoot me an email for some good links backed by current research.

so basically what you are saying is that for 5% of the population it might be possible, but the other 95% of us are stuck with the good ole bulk/cut cycle????

feel free to correct my numbers…:)

6%. Everyone will do better in the bulk/cut cycle in the end in my view but if someone is trying to lose weight and is a novice lifter, AND will tolerate a slower weight loss then it might be an option.

ndj1979

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

ndj1979 wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

The answer is "yes" but not very much and for those with some biochem/microbio the answer lies with the interplay of things such as mTorc1, AMPK, IGF-1, IGF-2, MGH, etc. It doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics in the least but it doesn't work well either. Jason Blaha (Ice Cream Fitness/Jaugurnaught Fitness) did a good video response to Athlean-X's claims and admits that yes for a certain segment of the population (i.e. novice to intermediate and reconditioning lifters) that it does work but not well and has very strict parameters.

There was a post on BB.com by a PhD in exercise physiology that went through some of the calculations and if you are close but under maintenance it is possible since fat can be used to make up the energy difference. However, you will be lowered in your ability to synthesize new muscle tissue due to increases in AMPK levels. The greater the deficit the higher the AMPK levels and the less you can attract mTORC1 etc.

So a slight surplus will always be better for those trying to gain muscle. Also, the more advanced of a lifter you are the harder it becomes to gain and thus the larger the surplus will be needed to maximize muscle gains, but we already know this!

For those with more interest in this shoot me an email for some good links backed by current research.

so basically what you are saying is that for 5% of the population it might be possible, but the other 95% of us are stuck with the good ole bulk/cut cycle????

feel free to correct my numbers…:)

6%. Everyone will do better in the bulk/cut cycle in the end in my view but if someone is trying to lose weight and is a novice lifter, AND will tolerate a slower weight loss then it might be an option.

I hear ya man..

thanks for the breakdown!