*RANT* Sugar, sugar, sugar!
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »brenstar05 wrote: »Remember that there is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar... I generally subtract the natural sugars from my total at the end of the day. Yes, the red number is annoying, but if you give up fruits because of the sugar content, you will be missing out on other great nutrients. I generally try to keep my refined sugar under the MFP recommendation and don't worry about the natural sugars, like those from fruits and veggies.
No there isn't. Sugars are sugars.
Yes there is. Natural sugar occurs naturally. Refined sugar is refined.
If you want to argue that they are digested exactly the same way, that's a different story.
giggle. chuckle.
wait... laugh.
wait- where do you think refined sugar comes from ultimately?
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And where do you get natural sugar- you eat it right off a sugar cane branch??
Most "natural" foods that we eat are actually the end result of intensive selective breeding over the course of the last several millennia. Mankind has dramatically altered the plants and animal we consume. Animals are meatier and fattier. Fruits are larger and more sugary. Nuts and vegetables have been bred to eliminate the naturally occurring tannins and other inedible and/or poisonous parts.0 -
Huh. I can't do photos from my iPad. The Struggle is real.0
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peter56765 wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »brenstar05 wrote: »Remember that there is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar... I generally subtract the natural sugars from my total at the end of the day. Yes, the red number is annoying, but if you give up fruits because of the sugar content, you will be missing out on other great nutrients. I generally try to keep my refined sugar under the MFP recommendation and don't worry about the natural sugars, like those from fruits and veggies.
No there isn't. Sugars are sugars.
Yes there is. Natural sugar occurs naturally. Refined sugar is refined.
If you want to argue that they are digested exactly the same way, that's a different story.
giggle. chuckle.
wait... laugh.
wait- where do you think refined sugar comes from ultimately?
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And where do you get natural sugar- you eat it right off a sugar cane branch??
Most "natural" foods that we eat are actually the end result of intensive selective breeding over the course of the last several millennia. Mankind has dramatically altered the plants and animal we consume. Animals are meatier and fattier. Fruits are larger and more sugary. Nuts and vegetables have been bred to eliminate the naturally occurring tannins and other inedible and/or poisonous parts.
and no one freakspeter56765 wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »brenstar05 wrote: »Remember that there is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar... I generally subtract the natural sugars from my total at the end of the day. Yes, the red number is annoying, but if you give up fruits because of the sugar content, you will be missing out on other great nutrients. I generally try to keep my refined sugar under the MFP recommendation and don't worry about the natural sugars, like those from fruits and veggies.
No there isn't. Sugars are sugars.
Yes there is. Natural sugar occurs naturally. Refined sugar is refined.
If you want to argue that they are digested exactly the same way, that's a different story.
giggle. chuckle.
wait... laugh.
wait- where do you think refined sugar comes from ultimately?
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And where do you get natural sugar- you eat it right off a sugar cane branch??
Most "natural" foods that we eat are actually the end result of intensive selective breeding over the course of the last several millennia. Mankind has dramatically altered the plants and animal we consume. Animals are meatier and fattier. Fruits are larger and more sugary. Nuts and vegetables have been bred to eliminate the naturally occurring tannins and other inedible and/or poisonous parts.
out about that... so yeah. normal is as normal does. we've been tampering with foods for hundreds of years. no one cared.0 -
MarziPanda95 wrote: »
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Part of the reason why this boils down to semantics, in my opinion, is that people rarely take the time to actually explain what they mean. "Sugar is sugar" is a statement that is factually incorrect both at a chemical and metabolic level (e.g., fructose and glucose follow different metabolic pathways in the digestive cycle), but from a dietary standpoint, is closer to correct when used as an instructive mechanism towards meal planning.
I think there are some pretty interesting and informative discussions that can be had -- for example, people throw around the "unless you have a medical condition" caveat, which typically seems to refer to diabetes or PCOS, but might leave out the pre-diabetic or "obese with insulin resistance", which I'd guess is a not insignificant set of those who find themselves in the obese/morbidly obese range.
Multiple weight loss methods work. Some people find a certain one easier to maintain. Some people think it's like pulling teeth. Cue flame wars, because the internet.0 -
Ooh, can I play? Here is another picture of where sugar comes from!
https://stephenleahy.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sugar-cane-field-oz-rslpix1.jpg
Natural sugar at it's finest.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
If it wasn't such an issue- we wouldn't be having the discussion of why your body processes them differently and who different "natural" sugar is vs table sugar I add to my baking.
But you seem to be okay with it- and also continue to change your posts... you go ahead and try to cook some cookies with those apples you posted and let me know how that works out for you.0 -
Here I see two very beautiful pictures of a sugar factory. So?DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Here's are two more pretty pictures of the Baltimore sugar factory:
If refined sugar is made in factories, can you give me a recipe?
Herrspoon said there was no difference between natural sugar and refined sugar. There is a huge difference between the two. One is produced in nature and one is produced in a factory.
Here's a link explaining how to refine sugar. It's not quite a recipe, but if you have a chemistry background, you might be able to refine your own sugar.0 -
it's still fundamentally sugar. refining just changes it's form and how you can apply it and use it and removing impurities.
it's still sugar.0 -
DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
If it wasn't such an issue- we wouldn't be having the discussion of why your body processes them differently and who different "natural" sugar is vs table sugar I add to my baking.
But you seem to be okay with it- and also continue to change your posts... you go ahead and try to cook some cookies with those apples you posted and let me know how that works out for you.
Slow down, there, slick. No one in this thread has said a thing about the body processing sugar differently.
Natural sugar occurs in nature and refined sugar is made in a factory. Those are two very different things.
Are you disagreeing with that? Do you think that sugar cubes grow on trees?
eta: I do need to use that preview more. posting then editing is a problem.0 -
DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
Here I see two very beautiful pictures of a sugar factory. So?DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Here's are two more pretty pictures of the Baltimore sugar factory:
If refined sugar is made in factories, can you give me a recipe?
Herrspoon said there was no difference between natural sugar and refined sugar. There is a huge difference between the two. One is produced in nature and one is produced in a factory.
Here's a link explaining how to refine sugar..
Oh noooo, look at all this unnatural cane sugar!
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I probably eat well over 75 grams a day, I don't track it, I haven't grown any horns, lol!!!
But I did lose 121 pounds!!
^She seems to know what she's talking about.
The new recommendations are regarding "added sugar" which would not be fruit, but there is no way to differentiate that since labels don't reflect added sugar (I believe that is in the updated USDA label though).
As stated previously, if you don't have a medical problem metabolizing sugar, there is no need to track it. Just track carbs of which sugar is a subset. Additionally, every diabetic I know doesn't actually track sugar, they also just track carbs.
Amen. I refuse to worry about the sugar content in fruit. If don't have a medical issues like diabetes, don't waste your time. Added sugar is the issue along with refined carbs. So I'd second the suggestion to track carbs.
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Here's what I got from the link you posted:DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »
Here I see two very beautiful pictures of a sugar factory. So?DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Here's are two more pretty pictures of the Baltimore sugar factory:
If refined sugar is made in factories, can you give me a recipe?
Herrspoon said there was no difference between natural sugar and refined sugar. There is a huge difference between the two. One is produced in nature and one is produced in a factory.
Here's a link explaining how to refine sugar. It's not quite a recipe, but if you have a chemistry background, you might be able to refine your own sugar.
"Sugar was first manufactured from sugar cane in India, and its manufacture has spread
from there throughout the world. Chemically, sugar is the substance sucrose, which can
be hydrolysed in acidic solution (i.e. below pH 7) to form the monosaccharides glucose
and fructose as follows.
sucrose + H2O → glucose + fructose
In New Zealand sugar is refined by the New Zealand Sugar Company Ltd. from cane
sugar imported from Australia, Cuba and Fiji. A four step process is used, but since
March 1996 the first three steps have been carried out overseas.
Step 1 - Affination
The raw sugar is mixed with a saturated syrup and then centrifuged to extract the crystals.
Surface impurities (molasses) dissolve in this syrup and are removed."
So it starts with "natural sugar". AKA Cane sugar, which grows in the ground
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Sugar cubes may not, but I think cane sugar would be the starting point for them, as well.DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »Are you disagreeing with that? Do you think that sugar cubes grow on trees?
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I stopped tracking sugar on, like, day two. It was infuriating and, since I don't have any sugar-linked health issues, pointless. Switch to tracking something else you actually care about -- for me it was iron, as I'm mildly anemic.0
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like. I want to add, natural sugar (fruit and veggie) is less of a concern than processed sugar (anything that doesnt come off a tree)martyqueen52 wrote: »Unless you have medical issues with sugar, don't worry about it.
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I stopped tracking sugar on, like, day two. It was infuriating and, since I don't have any sugar-linked health issues, pointless. Switch to tracking something else you actually care about -- for me it was iron, as I'm mildly anemic.
This^^ I switched to tracking fibre and calcium instead.0 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm glad I wasn't drinking when I read this...herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I heard that if you go over 25g of sugar Liam Neeson will come round and kill everyone.
Or you could just not worry about it.
If I hit 25 exactly will Liam Neeson come round and not kill anyone?
Just asking. For a friend.
Nope. He'll phone you, tell you about his special skills, and give you the chance to stop. I think you know what'll happen if you don't.
Why would anyone be afraid of Liam Neeson??? He can't even keep an eye on his daughter. She's been taken from him 3 times. He's to busy to come kill me.
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johnnylakis wrote: »
like. I want to add, natural sugar (fruit and veggie) is less of a concern than processed sugar (anything that doesnt come off a tree)martyqueen52 wrote: »Unless you have medical issues with sugar, don't worry about it.
So strawberries are bad because they don't come from a tree?0 -
I don't pay much attention to that if it's from fruits or something that's not processed sweets and junk food... I eat a lot of fruit, mostly berries. I don't even track sugar because I don't want to constantly see it in the red.0
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It's worth noting what kind of sugar that is (glucose, fructose, galactose?) The main thing you want to keep an eye on is the fructose from added sugars and processed foods. I am all about lowering my fructose intake. In fact your post caught my eye because I just started a group on here "Fructose Free People" if anyone wants to support eachother and discuss keeping sugar intake down.0
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Why not try Almond Breeze unsweetened almond/coconut milk blend with some chocolate whey protein (so yummy, and energizing for a quick breakfast!) I suggest using Six Star Pro Whey Protein Powder. It's very low in sugar, high in protein, but lacking in the fat department. Albeit, it does keep you full for the day
As far as keeping your overall sugars down, you might want to start eating more green fibrous veggies, and steer clear of sugary starches.
ingredients for shake:
http://www.amazon.com/Six-Star-Nutrition-Protein-Chocolate/dp/B002UNEGBE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1421354659&sr=8-3&keywords=whey+protein
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I only count the processed/added sugar and try to keep that around 30 grams. I do not count sugar from fruit in that total because the sugars in fruit are delivered with lots of fiber, which slows the delivery of sugar to the blood stream. MFP only gives you the total without differentiating, so I just go back over the day's food log and calculate the processed/added sugars in my head.
Here's a good article to read. Note they are talking about the fructose in corn syrup. They are not including fruit in their assertions (which are based on cited research):
Why Is Fructose Bad For You?0 -
PaigePugmire wrote: »Laurend224 wrote: »Track fiber.
Why?
IMO, it, along with tracking carbs, is a better indication that you are eating an overall healthy diet than tracking sugar (I am tracking sugar at the moment just out of curiosity, but usually track something else instead, I always track fiber).
My reasoning is that you are counting sugars as part of carbs anyway, so you can avoid going over on carbs without tracking sugar. By tracking fiber you are also, essentially, tracking foods that are often considered "good carbs" (although I personally would not use that term). This includes more nutrient dense carb-based foods like fruit and veggies, beans (which also provide protein), and whole grains. So if you are under on carbs and meeting your fiber requirement, you are probably not overeating sugar, regardless of the total grams.
The problem with just tracking sugar, unless you have a health reason to do so, is that MFP does not distinguish between added and inherent sugars and the reasons for the lower limits (like 25%) is (a) fear of overconsuming calories (which you know you aren't if you are tracking) and (b) to avoid consuming lots of low nutrient, high calorie foods (i.e., fruit isn't the issue). Thus, the logic behind the limit does not provide a reason to limit fruit, just to avoid some silly sugar limit.
I also think that percentage recommendations are something of a problem when people are on restricted calories, but that's a broader topic. (It is why the protein goal is often too low.)0 -
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Talk about someone creating an argument from nothing.
"Hey I have the same Ford"
"No you don't mine is different"
"No its the same year, 2014 right"
"Yea but mine was made in a California factory yours is from Kentuky. So while they might be the same they are so very different"
"Hey I have this glass of milk!"
"Hey I processed it and made this cheese!"
"Milk and cheese are the same thing!"0 -
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