Eating right & excersing, but gaining weight
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melissamayhart wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »melissamayhart wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Can you open your diary please? It will really be helpful with giving you advice.
Also, if you're eating low calories because you're short, I know how it is. Ever calorie matters. I can also tell you that cups and teaspoons aren't anywhere near as accurate as a digital food scale.
I've only been back on MFP for about 2 months max, I'm not quite mentally ready to open food diary to the world. The only issue I have with buying a food scale is that for the first few weeks, measuring by cups worked for weightloss, I had been loosing 2lbs a week & now, I'm gaining, even though I'm following my same restrictions & diet. So I KNOW it can be done
How long have you been gaining?
It has been the last 2 weeks I've been gaining, which in retrospect, isn't a big deal, but the same thing happened in 2012, I started going to the gym 2 hours a night doing a mix of cardio & cross training, following clean eating & gained 15lbs between jan-march, did not lose inches either. Then same thing in 2013 during the same months. I was pregnant this time last year, but now this year, the same thing is happening. It can't be a coincidence
You are gaining water weight. And also eating more food than you think and/or more than your body needs.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
I did this. Lasted about 4 years (and in that time I still went on a lose-gain cycle) before I could no longer sustain it. It created a terrible relationship with food. The more regimented I get, the worse I feel about myself and about my approach.0 -
How are you avoiding carbs when you're eating bananas? Just curious.melissamayhart wrote: »For everyone who has posted along the lines of "are you actually eating more than you think" "are you actually creating a caloric deficit" "are you sure you have counted your calories properly" No. yes. yes. I've been counting for 5 years now, took a break when I got pregnant with baby #3 & now my body seems to be rejecting any dieting. I follow the 1410 calories that have been suggested by MFP & push to stay under, since my basal metabolic rate is in the 1500's I stay under anyway. I normally don't track my workouts to ensure I'm creating a deficit, because I don't like how the app automatically gives you "extra" calories. I follow the eat ever 2-3 hours rule & eat small, ie hard boiled egg white, banana etc. Also, I do my best to avoid processed food, more because I enjoy the taste of homemade than for health benefits & since I'm a house wife, there's really no reason for me to opt for processed. Most of the meals I cook do not require any oils, and I avoid carbs & starches. So, now that that's all out of the way, if anyone has any tips or ideas [that aren't just questioning my ability to keep track of what I'm doing] I'd be glad to hear them.
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Something in the food that you're allergic to (usually a protein) causes a reaction in the body, which reaction includes the release of histamine, which among other things causes inflammation.jerinpalmer wrote:The histamine in the food creates inflammation in the body
:banghead:Not all calories are the same
That's like saying "not all inches are the same".
A unit of measurement is a unit of measurement, and equal to all other of the same units of measurement.
OP: Your ticker says you want to lose 34 lb. Losing 0.5 lb per week would be a reasonable goal. 1 lb per week would be a lot, though possible at first.
With so little to lose, 2 lb a week is a lot.for the first few weeks, measuring by cups worked for weightloss (sic), I had been loosing (sic) 2lbs a week & now, I'm gaining, even though I'm following my same restrictions & diet.
And maybe at first you were eating at a deficit, but since you've lost a couple pounds now you're not.
If you haven't lost at all in a month, cut 50-100 calories and be consistent about weighing your food. Give it another month.
It's good that you're ignoring exercise calories. That's what my doctor & dietician told me to do. (In fact, they'd never heard of the concept of "net calories".)
Muscle strengthening (growth) requires repair of the fibers which are damaged during exercise.in 2012, I started going to the gym 2 hours a night doing a mix of cardio & cross training, following clean eating & gained 15lbs between jan-march, did not lose inches
That takes water. Probably not 15 lb worth (2 gallons), but that's some of it.
"Clean eating" means nothing. There is no definition. If you're eating more calories than you need (and since you're gaining weight, you are), it doesn't matter whether they come from Twinkies or carrots, you will gain weight. (Nutrition-wise, yes, they're very different.)
Someone already posted a link to sexypants. Go read that.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
Here's also a link to a post about accurate measuring & logging. Go read that too.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10012907/logging-accuracy-consistency-and-youre-probably-eating-more-than-you-think
Two other things you can try (and there are links in these blog posts to the scientific studies which support these ideas):
Eating higher protein & lower carbs leads to more weight loss.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/MKEgal/view/2014-08-09-high-protein-diet-685553
Try 45% carbs, 20% fat, 35% protein to stay within the healthy macro ranges.
Here's a table which explains the healthy ranges:
http://www.iom.edu/Global/News%20Announcements/~/media/C5CD2DD7840544979A549EC47E56A02B.ashx
Eat about half your calories for breakfast (see the last half of this post for the studies).
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/MKEgal/view/2014-06-10-some-studies-about-weight-loss-667818
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melissamayhart wrote: »For everyone who has posted along the lines of "are you actually eating more than you think" "are you actually creating a caloric deficit" "are you sure you have counted your calories properly" No. yes. yes. I've been counting for 5 years now, took a break when I got pregnant with baby #3 & now my body seems to be rejecting any dieting. I follow the 1410 calories that have been suggested by MFP & push to stay under, since my basal metabolic rate is in the 1500's I stay under anyway. I normally don't track my workouts to ensure I'm creating a deficit, because I don't like how the app automatically gives you "extra" calories. I follow the eat ever 2-3 hours rule & eat small, ie hard boiled egg white, banana etc. Also, I do my best to avoid processed food, more because I enjoy the taste of homemade than for health benefits & since I'm a house wife, there's really no reason for me to opt for processed. Most of the meals I cook do not require any oils, and I avoid carbs & starches. So, now that that's all out of the way, if anyone has any tips or ideas [that aren't just questioning my ability to keep track of what I'm doing] I'd be glad to hear them.
Have you tried talking to your doctor about this? It sounds like you are doing everything right, but it might be that there is something else that could be contributing to your weight gain.0 -
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melissamayhart wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Can you open your diary please? It will really be helpful with giving you advice.
Also, if you're eating low calories because you're short, I know how it is. Ever calorie matters. I can also tell you that cups and teaspoons aren't anywhere near as accurate as a digital food scale.
I've only been back on MFP for about 2 months max, I'm not quite mentally ready to open food diary to the world. The only issue I have with buying a food scale is that for the first few weeks, measuring by cups worked for weightloss, I had been loosing 2lbs a week & now, I'm gaining, even though I'm following my same restrictions & diet. So I KNOW it can be done
When you first start logging, it's easier to lose without weighing because you are being more aware about your intake, and eating less. As time goes on, you need to lock down and start weighing your food because there is less room for error.0 -
robbackatya wrote: »You can come on MFP or any other site at anytime and hear the same question.
I am doing everything right, but gaining weight.
You generally get the same answers.
1. are you sure you are logging everything.
2. are you sure you measure everything
3. get a food scale
4. what do your macros look like.
5. change your diet.
You need to know the answer to one question! How much food can I eat of the food I am eating minus the activity I am doing and lose weight. That is why you are counting CALORIES.
Once you have this number you can change the food you are eating and the exercise you are doing and the number will adjust up or down accordingly. i.e. if I take out sugar maybe I will be able to eat more calories, but maybe you won't.
The problem is you need to adjust your numbers manually or use something like I do that does it automatically. The static equation MFP and other sites use expect you to manually adjust.
Why is it all your replies need to have that picture of you in it?
Side note: I will never understand why people come looking for advice and then they refuse to have full disclosure and open their diaries. Basically it's looking for blind advice. Guesses until you hear the answer you want?
In most cases it's likely this. I'm not saying the OP is one of them, but a lot of people seem to want to hear that they're special snowflakes and break the laws of physics somehow so they can justify not putting effort into measuring and weighing their portions.0 -
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
And the kool-aid, don't forget to drink the kool-aid.
While I'm glad this diet works for you, you really didn't address the question. And you threw out some basic blah blah that is just downright wrong or incomplete.
In the context of a varied diet, exactly how does say a peach-calorie work different than a banana-calorie? After all, the "each work in a different manner metabolically", right?
or not.
Obviously, you don't understand the mechanics behind fiber and fruit. Not my problem. I answered her issues - she needs to eliminate any foods that are sucrose-based or processed-based foods altogether. Only then will she isolate the foods that are causing the issue and gear her body metabolically to utilize fat in her weight loss.-5 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
Not really the evidence I was looking for. I'd also love to read the science behind your second paragraph, again, not the physiology, but in the context of weight loss benefits over other methods.
You are correct, there is absolutely no reason to change what works. For you.
You lost 50lbs because you ate at a calories deficit. You are no different to any other human being. You chose to do it by eliminating food groups and being restrictive. I lost 50 or so lbs by eating a balanced non-restrictive flexible diet. I also lost weight because I ate at a calorie deficit. It's all the same, just wrapped up in different clothing.
I'm also not sure what true weight loss is, maybe all non paleo weight loss is make believe?
I didn't eat a "calorie deficit" per se - I just stopped eating bad foods and ate ALL good foods. I was eating THREE large Haas avocados a day and I was NOT on MFP like y'all are trying to lose weight. I am on it now but already had lost 35 pounds and I was eating 20 oz of salmon a DAY. Eating steamed veggies in BULK. Eating fruit in BULK. I'll bet I was eating up to 2500 cals a day - prior to getting into weight training in July. Not only that, I was actually exercising LESS than I am now - I was burning less calories and not doing as much HIIT in that same time frame.
3 avocados - 900 cals - add 20 oz of salmon - that's another 1000 cals - that's just two foods. Add in fruit and veggies and nuts. Get it?-2 -
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mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
The ONLY reason a way of eating works for weight loss is because of calorie deficit.
Some people need to tweak their macros because of medical conditions. Barring one of those, everything comes down to personal preference.
OP, have you been to your doctor?
Honestly without you opening your diary, without you being willing to get a food scale, there's really not much else to be said.
Sorry lady, but you are wrong. My basal metabolic rate was 1500 and I was eating 2500 calories a day at the time I was losing the weight. I did not make that up in terms of cardio and I wasn't doing any weight training in the first three months I dumped 15 pounds. It just fell off. My doctor and personal trainer (whom I saw in the past and flat out told me that my diet was bad (last year)) validated what I am discussing. It's not about just calories and calorie deficit. It's about the food you are eating.-2 -
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zakkiwakki wrote: »Give NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS, NO VEGETABLE OILS, NO FRUIT JUICE a try. Cook only in animal derived fats, lard, dripping etc, coconut oil or olive oil. Eat plenty of leafy green veg and a small quantity of fruit just to kill any sugar cravings you might have. Keep the protein and fat high and your carbs low. Limit dairy to only full fat products. Only eat when you're hungry. This means don't stick to breakfast, lunch, dinner. Read labels for added sugar. You need to fat adapt your body so that it burns fat not sugar (carbs). Don't panic if you feel like crap after a few days, that's your body switching over. Within a week you'll start to feel like you have more energy and clearer thoughts. As a result of using this diet, after trying just about every other diet out there and getting frustrated, my doctor has taken me off blood pressure tablets and statins and I've lost 12.5kg in two months without once feeling hungry or lacking energy.
I'm very happy for your success and especially about no longer needing medication, but for many people, this method will simply not be sustainable.
just drink water and eat raw vegetables…
good lord, NO ..
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
The ONLY reason a way of eating works for weight loss is because of calorie deficit.
Some people need to tweak their macros because of medical conditions. Barring one of those, everything comes down to personal preference.
OP, have you been to your doctor?
Honestly without you opening your diary, without you being willing to get a food scale, there's really not much else to be said.
Sorry lady, but you are wrong. My basal metabolic rate was 1500 and I was eating 2500 calories a day at the time I was losing the weight. I did not make that up in terms of cardio and I wasn't doing any weight training in the first three months I dumped 15 pounds. It just fell off. My doctor and personal trainer (whom I saw in the past and flat out told me that my diet was bad (last year)) validated what I am discussing. It's not about just calories and calorie deficit. It's about the food you are eating.
Sorry dude, but you are wrong. You don't defy the laws of physics, and without you having counted calories, there is no way of knowing what your intake was. Also? You count your intake vs. your TDEE to calculate your deficit/maintenance, not your BMR. I'm sure your TDEE is considerably higher than 1500.
It is not about the food you are eating. It's about the calories you're consuming vs. the energy your body burns.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
NO, no, and no …
anecdotal evidence with a sample size of one is not empirical evidence…
Paleo is the biggest joke ever.
and yes all calories are the same = a measure of energy. 100 calories of apples = 100 calories of twinkies...
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
The ONLY reason a way of eating works for weight loss is because of calorie deficit.
Some people need to tweak their macros because of medical conditions. Barring one of those, everything comes down to personal preference.
OP, have you been to your doctor?
Honestly without you opening your diary, without you being willing to get a food scale, there's really not much else to be said.
Sorry lady, but you are wrong. My basal metabolic rate was 1500 and I was eating 2500 calories a day at the time I was losing the weight. I did not make that up in terms of cardio and I wasn't doing any weight training in the first three months I dumped 15 pounds. It just fell off. My doctor and personal trainer (whom I saw in the past and flat out told me that my diet was bad (last year)) validated what I am discussing. It's not about just calories and calorie deficit. It's about the food you are eating.
LOL "it just fell off" ….where did it go to the magical universe that you live in that defies the laws of math and physics??????
you ate in a deficit by restricting sugar to a point that put you in a calorie deficit…
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Woops, guess I haven't actually lost 25+ lbs eating sucrose-based foods or "process-based" foods.tedboosalis7 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
And the kool-aid, don't forget to drink the kool-aid.
While I'm glad this diet works for you, you really didn't address the question. And you threw out some basic blah blah that is just downright wrong or incomplete.
In the context of a varied diet, exactly how does say a peach-calorie work different than a banana-calorie? After all, the "each work in a different manner metabolically", right?
or not.
Obviously, you don't understand the mechanics behind fiber and fruit. Not my problem. I answered her issues - she needs to eliminate any foods that are sucrose-based or processed-based foods altogether. Only then will she isolate the foods that are causing the issue and gear her body metabolically to utilize fat in her weight loss.
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Woops, guess I haven't actually lost 25+ lbs eating sucrose-based foods or "process-based" foods.tedboosalis7 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
And the kool-aid, don't forget to drink the kool-aid.
While I'm glad this diet works for you, you really didn't address the question. And you threw out some basic blah blah that is just downright wrong or incomplete.
In the context of a varied diet, exactly how does say a peach-calorie work different than a banana-calorie? After all, the "each work in a different manner metabolically", right?
or not.
Obviously, you don't understand the mechanics behind fiber and fruit. Not my problem. I answered her issues - she needs to eliminate any foods that are sucrose-based or processed-based foods altogether. Only then will she isolate the foods that are causing the issue and gear her body metabolically to utilize fat in her weight loss.
and I guess I did not drop 50 pounds by eating sugar….I must be special...
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
The ONLY reason a way of eating works for weight loss is because of calorie deficit.
Some people need to tweak their macros because of medical conditions. Barring one of those, everything comes down to personal preference.
OP, have you been to your doctor?
Honestly without you opening your diary, without you being willing to get a food scale, there's really not much else to be said.
Sorry lady, but you are wrong. My basal metabolic rate was 1500 and I was eating 2500 calories a day at the time I was losing the weight. I did not make that up in terms of cardio and I wasn't doing any weight training in the first three months I dumped 15 pounds. It just fell off. My doctor and personal trainer (whom I saw in the past and flat out told me that my diet was bad (last year)) validated what I am discussing. It's not about just calories and calorie deficit. It's about the food you are eating.
LOL "it just fell off" ….where did it go to the magical universe that you live in that defies the laws of math and physics??????
you at in a deficit by restricting sugar to a point that put you in a calorie deficit…
another X-files MFP case closed….
Honestly... how does he think all the other people on this site who don't eat paleo have ever managed to lose weight?
I get that for some people, insulin resistance is a genuine medical condition. That should be diagnosed by their doctor, not someone on the internet. Even saying that, I don't even think it's necessary to treat it by eating paleo. Isn't it okay to just WATCH carbs with it?
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mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
The ONLY reason a way of eating works for weight loss is because of calorie deficit.
Some people need to tweak their macros because of medical conditions. Barring one of those, everything comes down to personal preference.
OP, have you been to your doctor?
Honestly without you opening your diary, without you being willing to get a food scale, there's really not much else to be said.
Sorry lady, but you are wrong. My basal metabolic rate was 1500 and I was eating 2500 calories a day at the time I was losing the weight. I did not make that up in terms of cardio and I wasn't doing any weight training in the first three months I dumped 15 pounds. It just fell off. My doctor and personal trainer (whom I saw in the past and flat out told me that my diet was bad (last year)) validated what I am discussing. It's not about just calories and calorie deficit. It's about the food you are eating.
LOL "it just fell off" ….where did it go to the magical universe that you live in that defies the laws of math and physics??????
you at in a deficit by restricting sugar to a point that put you in a calorie deficit…
another X-files MFP case closed….
Honestly... how does he think all the other people on this site who don't eat paleo have ever managed to lose weight?
I get that for some people, insulin resistance is a genuine medical condition. That should be diagnosed by their doctor, not someone on the internet. Even saying that, I don't even think it's necessary to treat it by eating paleo. Isn't it okay to just WATCH carbs with it?
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OP - back to the point of your post..
you are not losing due to either inaccurate logging or overestimating calorie burns.
Based on your comments about not using a food scale, I am assuming that you are overestimating calories….
get a food scale
weigh/log/measure everything you eat for two weeks and see what happens..
it really is easy to overestimate by 200 to 300 a day which would be 2100 extra calories a week which is a half pound gain …or would just erase the deficit that MFP gave you ...0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
Not really the evidence I was looking for. I'd also love to read the science behind your second paragraph, again, not the physiology, but in the context of weight loss benefits over other methods.
You are correct, there is absolutely no reason to change what works. For you.
You lost 50lbs because you ate at a calories deficit. You are no different to any other human being. You chose to do it by eliminating food groups and being restrictive. I lost 50 or so lbs by eating a balanced non-restrictive flexible diet. I also lost weight because I ate at a calorie deficit. It's all the same, just wrapped up in different clothing.
I'm also not sure what true weight loss is, maybe all non paleo weight loss is make believe?
I didn't eat a "calorie deficit" per se - I just stopped eating bad foods and ate ALL good foods. I was eating THREE large Haas avocados a day and I was NOT on MFP like y'all are trying to lose weight. I am on it now but already had lost 35 pounds and I was eating 20 oz of salmon a DAY. Eating steamed veggies in BULK. Eating fruit in BULK. I'll bet I was eating up to 2500 cals a day - prior to getting into weight training in July. Not only that, I was actually exercising LESS than I am now - I was burning less calories and not doing as much HIIT in that same time frame.
3 avocados - 900 cals - add 20 oz of salmon - that's another 1000 cals - that's just two foods. Add in fruit and veggies and nuts. Get it?
And by eating this way you created a deficit without meaning to.
Many veggies, even in bulk, are not that high calorie. Some fruit are naturally lower in calories than others.
You "bet" you were eating that much, but for all you know you weren't. Or you were but your TDEE at the time was high enough due to your excess weight to be able to lose on 2500 calories. 566g (20oz) of salmon is around 1100 calories if you are weighing it cooked, and this would be VERY filling. I eat usually around 150g for a typical salmon serving (cooked weight) and that can easily fill me up for a good while.
So, you are not a special snowflake, you didn't uncover some magical weight loss secret. You ate at a caloric deficit without meaning to. I did as well when I was 19 and "ate clean."0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
The ONLY reason a way of eating works for weight loss is because of calorie deficit.
Some people need to tweak their macros because of medical conditions. Barring one of those, everything comes down to personal preference.
OP, have you been to your doctor?
Honestly without you opening your diary, without you being willing to get a food scale, there's really not much else to be said.
Sorry lady, but you are wrong. My basal metabolic rate was 1500 and I was eating 2500 calories a day at the time I was losing the weight. I did not make that up in terms of cardio and I wasn't doing any weight training in the first three months I dumped 15 pounds. It just fell off. My doctor and personal trainer (whom I saw in the past and flat out told me that my diet was bad (last year)) validated what I am discussing. It's not about just calories and calorie deficit. It's about the food you are eating.
BMR =/= TDEE. Try again.
For health and body comp and satiety and diet compliance, it's about the food you eat. For weight management, it's about the calories you eat. You also tend to lose more weight initially due to water weight losses, and I'm guessing you ate/are eating low carb, h ence more water weight loss.
Still not a special snowflake.0 -
melissamayhart wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »Your body can't and doesn't reject losing weight. There is a point at which, however, that your body will slow down to try to survive on the low number of calories you're giving it. You would still lose weight, but more slowly, because you would be doing nothing by lying in bed all day. If you are able to exercise, but you still aren't losing weight, that means you're eating more than you think. Saying it ain't so doesn't change that fact.
Just because I said I'm a house wife does NOT mean I lay in bed all day. I'm on my feet all day, cleaning meal prepping & chasing children & still find time for at least a half hour workout. I don't always log my workout because I don't like the idea of MFP showing "you still have X amount of calories" because you input an exercise
My comment had nothing to do with you being a house wife. I didn't even realize you were when I made the comment. What I was saying was that a person who is starving will be incapable of doing much. Don't lose sight of the fact that food is fuel. No fuel equals no activity. But even a person who doesn't eat and lies in bed all day would continue to lose weight. The fact that you are cleaning house and exercising but still not losing weight is just more evidence that you are eating more than you realize.0 -
You actually dreamt that. You're really still overweight in reality. Time to wake up!!
Woops, guess I haven't actually lost 25+ lbs eating sucrose-based foods or "process-based" foods.tedboosalis7 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »All of the advice I offered is backed by strong recent scientific evidence of the effects your insulin is having. If you're already cutting calories and exercising and seeing no weight reduction you need to control the insulin spikes. Insulin is the hormone that saves the food you eat as fat. You're probably insulin resistant and you need to correct that issue first. Carbs are just glucose and effect the insulin to a much larger extent than fat or protein. You might want to read up on the paleo lifestyle. It's sound solid advice and it works in harmony with your bodies natural evolution. If you want further above PM me. There'll be a lot of people on here who'll dispute the above I've given, but 12.5kg since November 23 without hunger pangs and without counting calories is evidence to me it works. I don't even go to the gym or work out.
As it's a slow Sunday I'd be interested to read some of the evidence, not in terms of the general physiological effects, but specifically in regards to fat loss benefits over other approaches. Can you point me in the right direction please?
On a general note I don't doubt that the approach mentioned above would work, but for me it's overly restrictive in terms of food, and restriction for me leads to failure. Myself, I eat a varied diet of moderate carb, moderate fat, and high protein, restricting nothing if it fits in to my calorie and macronutrient goals.
I've burnt through plenty of fat and have clear thought.
I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
And the kool-aid, don't forget to drink the kool-aid.
While I'm glad this diet works for you, you really didn't address the question. And you threw out some basic blah blah that is just downright wrong or incomplete.
In the context of a varied diet, exactly how does say a peach-calorie work different than a banana-calorie? After all, the "each work in a different manner metabolically", right?
or not.
Obviously, you don't understand the mechanics behind fiber and fruit. Not my problem. I answered her issues - she needs to eliminate any foods that are sucrose-based or processed-based foods altogether. Only then will she isolate the foods that are causing the issue and gear her body metabolically to utilize fat in her weight loss.
Is that why people keep staring at me now that I'm wearing clothes about 2 sizes smaller?
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OP - back to the point of your post..
it really is easy to overestimate by 200 to 300 a day which would be 2100 extra calories a week which is a half pound gain …or would just erase the deficit that MFP gave you ...
I agree with this. I admit I don't always have the time, chance or the energy to weigh everything, and usually it bites me in the butt.
If you keep eating what you're eating and any other reason (constipation? time of month? water retention?) is eliminated, there's nothing left but weighing food.
Just don't give up, ok? Your thread may or may not get hijacked for the great paleo debate, but that doesn't change the fact that you can figure this out.
As a side not to the allergy idea somebody mentioned, my best friend had been allergic to wheat all her life without knowing it - until she collapsed. She lost a notable amount of weight (take note, I said weight, not fat) immediately after she stopped eating wheat and other grains with gluten, because her stomach and intestines were so bloated and messed up. She lost inches too, because of the bloating, but obviously that doesn't mean she lost fat. This may or may not apply to you, but if you and your doctor can't figure out any other reason for you to not lose weight while eating a deficit, it might be worth it to see if there are some allergy issues.0
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