Eating right & excersing, but gaining weight
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http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
Read #5-8
And for every report there is another that contradicts it but I'm seeing more and more people with weight problems and trying something different and finding it actually works for once is amazing. Especially as I'm on levothyroxine at 125mg a day and do you know how many websites there are that written by doctors and Ph.D graduates saying how hard it is to lose weight without a functioning thyroid? Even the NHS dietitian told me it would be hard work and that I would be lucky to get my weight under control. For three years Iv'e tried everything out there with no luck. Then I tried, against my Drs advice, a no sugar no grains approach. It has worked wonders. My blood tests are coming back better than ever. They don't lie. My Dr has changed her view and decided to read up and from what I have gathered is now much more sympathetic to this way of eating. You might not agree, but judging by the 6% body fat profile photo, you don't have to worry. You've nailed it already. That photo you have on your profile was me 10 years ago. Before I got fat and sick and I could eat anything I liked.-2 -
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I don't take pics of me because I don't have to. I am going to my medical file public when I go in for my physical and demonstrate the before and after through weight. Then I am going to make my PBFs public so you can feel humiliated further. At that point, what will your responses be - "I am not on the payroll"???
I am one of those most honest people on Earth. I don't need to post pics to prove it. What you see is what you get. Go find your hole and sit in it.
@tedboosalis7 You do realize that the only person who should feel humiliated is you, right? You continue to humiliate yourself by claiming you lost weight while you were not in a calorie deficit.
Oh of course! I am the one who lost 50 pounds and is down to just below 170#, gained muscle, and lost PBF to normal levels.
DUH!!!! WTF!
You are down 50 lbs because you were in a calorie deficit.
http://livehealthy.chron.com/big-calorie-deficit-needed-lose-weight-1356.html
"When it comes to weight loss, calories are king. It doesn’t matter if you’re following a low-fat, low-carbohydrate or glycemic index diet, if you eat too many calories, you won’t lose weight. Successful weight loss depends on creating a calorie deficit, which occurs when you expend more calories than you consume."
Nope. I ate the right foods and made sure I was full and exercised. There was no deficit and no deprivation. Incorrect. Move along, nothing to see here.-2 -
zakkiwakki wrote: »
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
Read #5-8
And for every report there is another that contradicts it but I'm seeing more and more people with weight problems and trying something different and finding it actually works for once is amazing. Especially as I'm on levothyroxine at 125mg a day and do you know how many websites there are that written by doctors and Ph.D graduates saying how hard it is to lose weight without a functioning thyroid? Even the NHS dietitian told me it would be hard work and that I would be lucky to get my weight under control. For three years Iv'e tried everything out there with no luck. Then I tried, against my Drs advice, a no sugar no grains approach. It has worked wonders. My blood tests are coming back better than ever. They don't lie. My Dr has changed her view and decided to read up and from what I have gathered is now much more sympathetic to this way of eating. You might not agree, but judging by the 6% body fat profile photo, you don't have to worry. You've nailed it already. That photo you have on your profile was me 10 years ago. Before I got fat and sick and I could eat anything I liked.
Again, another BOOM!!! You guys deploring our methods are wasting away, literally.-2 -
47Jacqueline wrote: »Chronic insomnia, exercise overload, thyroid... There are other reasons for gaining weight even at a deficit.
No they aren't. Except for maybe some temporary stall or water weight gain.
Thyroid problems might effect the CO variable in the CICO equation, but then you might not be in a deficit... which would make your statement still untrue.
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I can't wait to post my results of my physical. Everyone around me as a true support system is excited because it's due to eating real food. REAL FOOD!!!! AAAHAHAHAHA-2
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I don't take pics of me because I don't have to. I am going to my medical file public when I go in for my physical and demonstrate the before and after through weight. Then I am going to make my PBFs public so you can feel humiliated further. At that point, what will your responses be - "I am not on the payroll"???
I am one of those most honest people on Earth. I don't need to post pics to prove it. What you see is what you get. Go find your hole and sit in it.
@tedboosalis7 You do realize that the only person who should feel humiliated is you, right? You continue to humiliate yourself by claiming you lost weight while you were not in a calorie deficit.
Oh of course! I am the one who lost 50 pounds and is down to just below 170#, gained muscle, and lost PBF to normal levels.
DUH!!!! WTF!
You are down 50 lbs because you were in a calorie deficit.
http://livehealthy.chron.com/big-calorie-deficit-needed-lose-weight-1356.html
"When it comes to weight loss, calories are king. It doesn’t matter if you’re following a low-fat, low-carbohydrate or glycemic index diet, if you eat too many calories, you won’t lose weight. Successful weight loss depends on creating a calorie deficit, which occurs when you expend more calories than you consume."
Nope. I ate the right foods and made sure I was full and exercised. There was no deficit and no deprivation. Incorrect. Move along, nothing to see here.
Do me a favor… Go to your PCP (or any physician for that matter) and tell them you lost 50 lbs without a calorie deficit. They'll laugh you right out of their office. And might even send you for a psych eval.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
Read #5-8
And for every report there is another that contradicts it but I'm seeing more and more people with weight problems and trying something different and finding it actually works for once is amazing. Especially as I'm on levothyroxine at 125mg a day and do you know how many websites there are that written by doctors and Ph.D graduates saying how hard it is to lose weight without a functioning thyroid? Even the NHS dietitian told me it would be hard work and that I would be lucky to get my weight under control. For three years Iv'e tried everything out there with no luck. Then I tried, against my Drs advice, a no sugar no grains approach. It has worked wonders. My blood tests are coming back better than ever. They don't lie. My Dr has changed her view and decided to read up and from what I have gathered is now much more sympathetic to this way of eating. You might not agree, but judging by the 6% body fat profile photo, you don't have to worry. You've nailed it already. That photo you have on your profile was me 10 years ago. Before I got fat and sick and I could eat anything I liked.
Again, another BOOM!!! You guys deploring our methods are wasting away, literally.
Well, now, wait... we're either not losing weight because everything we eat turns to fat or we're wasting away. Pick one.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
Read #5-8
And for every report there is another that contradicts it but I'm seeing more and more people with weight problems and trying something different and finding it actually works for once is amazing. Especially as I'm on levothyroxine at 125mg a day and do you know how many websites there are that written by doctors and Ph.D graduates saying how hard it is to lose weight without a functioning thyroid? Even the NHS dietitian told me it would be hard work and that I would be lucky to get my weight under control. For three years Iv'e tried everything out there with no luck. Then I tried, against my Drs advice, a no sugar no grains approach. It has worked wonders. My blood tests are coming back better than ever. They don't lie. My Dr has changed her view and decided to read up and from what I have gathered is now much more sympathetic to this way of eating. You might not agree, but judging by the 6% body fat profile photo, you don't have to worry. You've nailed it already. That photo you have on your profile was me 10 years ago. Before I got fat and sick and I could eat anything I liked.
Again, another BOOM!!! You guys deploring our methods are wasting away, literally.
Yeah, we are literally skin and bones in our profile pictures, right? Unlike yours, they actually show our body.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
Read #5-8
And for every report there is another that contradicts it but I'm seeing more and more people with weight problems and trying something different and finding it actually works for once is amazing. Especially as I'm on levothyroxine at 125mg a day and do you know how many websites there are that written by doctors and Ph.D graduates saying how hard it is to lose weight without a functioning thyroid? Even the NHS dietitian told me it would be hard work and that I would be lucky to get my weight under control. For three years Iv'e tried everything out there with no luck. Then I tried, against my Drs advice, a no sugar no grains approach. It has worked wonders. My blood tests are coming back better than ever. They don't lie. My Dr has changed her view and decided to read up and from what I have gathered is now much more sympathetic to this way of eating. You might not agree, but judging by the 6% body fat profile photo, you don't have to worry. You've nailed it already. That photo you have on your profile was me 10 years ago. Before I got fat and sick and I could eat anything I liked.
Again, another BOOM!!! You guys deploring our methods are wasting away, literally.
Hey, no one deplores your methods for YOU. It's the "one true way" bit that's the whole issue.
Got that yet?
I asked a question a while back about how if it seems to be the only way how anyone else ever loses weight using another way. You never answered.
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Does anyone else have that uncomfortable feeling of a religious fanatic knocking on your door trying to convert you?0
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madrose0715 wrote: »Does anyone else have that uncomfortable feeling of a religious fanatic knocking on your door trying to convert you?
Reminds me of Jehovah's witnesses who constantly ring my door bell…
ETA: Nothing against them. Just not interested in converting.0 -
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »
I'm going to pass on fear mongering. Try again.zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
You are part of the problem. Maybe you are on MFP's payroll because the only way MFP can make it is with people like you who believe starvation = true fat loss. It's about the fat.
What? I'm starving....news to me. I guess I'm gonna go take my average intake of 1835 and go starve now.
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Hey, if everyone in this thread would take a deep breath and pause for a moment, here is an interesting, relevant fact: a 2005 report from the Institute of Medicine noted that observational studies (not estimates) showed that the average male between the ages of 19 and 50 expended over 3,000 calories a day. The average female in the same age bracket expended over 2,400 calories a day. (Source: Marion Nestle and Malden Nesheim, Why Calories Count: From Science to Politics [Berkeley: University of California Press, 2012], p. 80, table 12, summarizing the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies, Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy [Washington, DC: National Academies Press, 2005].)
Given these figures, and what people report eating, it might seem surprising that there's an obesity problem at all. The reason there is, as Nestle and Nesheim also point out, is that most people significantly underestimate their calorie intake, as many studies have shown, to the point where a number of prominent researchers have suggested that it is time to stop using self-reported energy intake in scientific research, because it is so bad.
My takeaway is that it's best to be consistent in how you log, even if it's not accurate, and to adjust your goal downward until you achieve reasonable weight loss without excessive deprivation. Don't put too much reliance on the actual numbers.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »47Jacqueline wrote: »Chronic insomnia, exercise overload, thyroid... There are other reasons for gaining weight even at a deficit.
Aren't you the same one who claimed you became dehydrated by drinking more than 8-10 cups of water a day?
Yes. It was not a claim. Would you like to see the hospital record? (*_(@$%%^)-2 -
Hey, if everyone in this thread would take a deep breath and pause for a moment, here is an interesting, relevant fact: a 2005 report from the Institute of Medicine noted that observational studies (not estimates) showed that the average male between the ages of 19 and 50 expended over 3,000 calories a day. The average female in the same age bracket expended over 2,400 calories a day. (Source: Marion Nestle and Malden Nesheim, Why Calories Count: From Science to Politics [Berkeley: University of California Press, 2012], p. 80, table 12, summarizing the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies, Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy [Washington, DC: National Academies Press, 2005].)
Given these figures, and what people report eating, it might seem surprising that there's an obesity problem at all. The reason there is, as Nestle and Nesheim also point out, is that most people significantly underestimate their calorie intake, as many studies have shown, to the point where a number of prominent researchers have suggested that it is time to stop using self-reported energy intake in scientific research, because it is so bad.
My takeaway is that it's best to be consistent in how you log, even if it's not accurate, and to adjust your goal downward until you achieve reasonable weight loss without excessive deprivation. Don't put too much reliance on the actual numbers.
Agree.
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47Jacqueline wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »47Jacqueline wrote: »Chronic insomnia, exercise overload, thyroid... There are other reasons for gaining weight even at a deficit.
Aren't you the same one who claimed you became dehydrated by drinking more than 8-10 cups of water a day?
Yes. It was not a claim. Would you like to see the hospital record? (*_(@$%%^)
You can't become dehydrated by drinking water. You become dehydrated when you don't drink water or enough water. You can flush out electrolytes if you drink too much, which is what I assume happened but somehow you interpreted it as being dehydrated.0 -
Back on page 2, in the post I made there, I gave a link to a blog post which has quotes from & links to studies showing that a lower-carb & higher-protein diet leads to more weight loss.martycon400 wrote:Avoiding carbs? is there a specific reason for that?
o.Oremoving carbs for a long time isnt good for your thyroid and can actually lead to weight gain
Where did you get those ideas?
Why do you think carbs have an effect on the thyroid?
Why do you think eating low-carb would lead to weight gain? (Assuming the person isn't overeating any other calorie sources.)
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Phew..quite a discussion here!
Hope this doesn't get buried in the deluge of opinions. I've created my deficit off of this plan/calculator http://www.acaloriecounter.com/diet/ and not MFP's recommendations (which weren't too far off from my calculations anyway). My drop has been steady when combined with a good moderate exercise scheme (I prefer calisthenics over strength training because of its functional movements and because I'd like to give parkour a try someday!
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The important point to take away is to move more, underestimate calorie burnt through exercise and to overestimate intake whenever necessary. Worked for me and it will surely work for anyone else. If a certain deficit seems not to work, increase the deficit after a couple weeks. Once you plateau, recalculate with new bodyweight. Best way out there really.
PS: Adding to the water discussion, drinking too much water leads to low levels of sodium which is bad for muscles and can lead to "perceived" dehydration. Hyponatremia - http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=473880 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »47Jacqueline wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »47Jacqueline wrote: »Chronic insomnia, exercise overload, thyroid... There are other reasons for gaining weight even at a deficit.
Aren't you the same one who claimed you became dehydrated by drinking more than 8-10 cups of water a day?
Yes. It was not a claim. Would you like to see the hospital record? (*_(@$%%^)
You can't become dehydrated by drinking water. You become dehydrated when you don't drink water or enough water. You can flush out electrolytes if you drink too much, which is what I assume happened but somehow you interpreted it as being dehydrated.
I got dehydrated while consuming vast quantities of water due to undiagnosed celiac disease because I wasn't absorbing it, and well... celiac effects... but dehydration from drinking water??? I don't get it.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »47Jacqueline wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »47Jacqueline wrote: »Chronic insomnia, exercise overload, thyroid... There are other reasons for gaining weight even at a deficit.
Aren't you the same one who claimed you became dehydrated by drinking more than 8-10 cups of water a day?
Yes. It was not a claim. Would you like to see the hospital record? (*_(@$%%^)
You can't become dehydrated by drinking water. You become dehydrated when you don't drink water or enough water. You can flush out electrolytes if you drink too much, which is what I assume happened but somehow you interpreted it as being dehydrated.
I got dehydrated while consuming vast quantities of water due to undiagnosed celiac disease because I wasn't absorbing it, and well... celiac effects... but dehydration from drinking water??? I don't get it.
Agreed! It's not possible. I think her electrolytes were low from drinking too much water and that's why they gave her an IV to replenish lost electrolytes.0 -
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tedboosalis wrote:Not all calories are the same.
You're talking about 2 different things.And a note to all those who are saying a calorie is a calorie try reading this report on thermogenic effect of high protein diets.
If you burn a calorie of twinkie, it will raise 1g of water 1 degree C.
If you burn a calorie of shrimp, it will raise 1g of water 1 degree C.
They take different amounts of energy (calories) to process in the body, so putting 100 calories of twinkies in your stomach might end with it appearing like you ate 90 (just to make up a number), but putting 100 calories of shrimp in your stomach would end up appearing like you ate 75.
As for that webmd article...
"New research challenges the idea that a calorie is a calorie, suggesting that certain foods and diets may be better than others for burning calories and helping people maintain weight loss."
Those are, again, two different concepts.
1" = 1", 1 cup = 1cup, 1 calorie = 1 calorie.
The body may handle them differently, but they will all raise 1g of water 1 degree C.
That's the definition of a calorie.
Explain, please, what makes a food "good" or "bad" in your opinion.tedboosalis7 wrote:I didn't eat a "calorie deficit" per se - I just stopped eating bad foods and ate ALL good foods.
There are foods which are more healthy, more nutrient-dense, and we should eat more of those.
There are foods which are less healthy, more inclined to lead us to overeat (esp. on things like sugar, fat, or sodium), and we should eat less of those.
If you weren't eating at a calorie deficit, you would not have lost weight.tedboosalis7 wrote:I wasn't in deficit. You don't get it. The body can't metabolize foods
You don't get to break the laws of physics.
And what exactly do you mean by "the body can't metabolize foods"???? How do you think you (or any of us) not only live, but got to be overweight? We metabolize foods (other than dietary / insoluble fiber).
Your BMR is what you need simply to survive. If you you were lying in the hospital in a coma that's what you'd need.2500 calories a day. Wasn't working out to 1000 calories to make up for a 1500 BMR.
Then consider how much you burn by whatever you do during the day: cooking, taking a shower, walking around the office, exercise if you do it...
Which foods "store as fat immediately"? Would that be fats, such as oil, lard, tallow...?Don't eat these foods. Doesn't matter what your calorie deficit is if you are eating foods that store as fat immediately.
Don't listen to these fools on here thinking you can eat in moderation any kind of food that causes your body to metabolize the food into fat immediately.0 -
HappyCampr1 wrote: »
As much as I hesitate to enter the fray here...I've lost 70 pounds as a 48 year old woman and my TDEE is 2600. That's with a grand total of 3 hours of exercise a week...half resistance training and half cardio. I lost it simply by eating smaller portions of the food I've always eaten, just in the proper portions. You make it sound like your age should make it impossible to lose weight at that calorie level (giving you the benefit of the doubt there). I can tell you that when I hit maintenance and increased my calories, I still lost weight at 2500 too.tedboosalis7 wrote: »
I am the living proof it matters. I lost 50 pounds eating 2500 calories a day as a 45 year old man. Period. End of discussion.
I'm not going to enter the discussion of the merits of any particular type of diet. Same as you, I just know what worked for me. Portion control/calorie counting does not equal starving yourself. I was never hungry during my loss and the only changes I made were to try and get enough protein and fiber.
Ya, that dude doesn't even acknowledge us women in his age bracket who have lost more weight than him eating the same, if not more calories than him without having to eliminate foods. Shrugs shoulders. At this stage, I liken his contributions to this conversation as convincing as foil-hat wearing conspiracy theorists.0 -
madrose0715 wrote: »HappyCampr1 wrote: »
As much as I hesitate to enter the fray here...I've lost 70 pounds as a 48 year old woman and my TDEE is 2600. That's with a grand total of 3 hours of exercise a week...half resistance training and half cardio. I lost it simply by eating smaller portions of the food I've always eaten, just in the proper portions. You make it sound like your age should make it impossible to lose weight at that calorie level (giving you the benefit of the doubt there). I can tell you that when I hit maintenance and increased my calories, I still lost weight at 2500 too.tedboosalis7 wrote: »
I am the living proof it matters. I lost 50 pounds eating 2500 calories a day as a 45 year old man. Period. End of discussion.
I'm not going to enter the discussion of the merits of any particular type of diet. Same as you, I just know what worked for me. Portion control/calorie counting does not equal starving yourself. I was never hungry during my loss and the only changes I made were to try and get enough protein and fiber.
Ya, that dude doesn't even acknowledge us women in his age bracket who have lost more weight than him eating the same, if not more calories than him without having to eliminate foods. Shrugs shoulders. At this stage, I liken his contributions to this conversation as convincing as foil-hat wearing conspiracy theorists.
Funny stuff. I cannot wait to post the pre and post results. What a joke.0 -
Zakkiwaki, you do realize you are using a calorie counting app, right? I think your method is probably great, but people who use MFP have lost weight by counting calories because that's the premise its built on. I have lost a lot of weight from counting and stand by it. I don't fault you for your method, but you will likely continually be challenged on this app if you continue to post non-calorie counting advice because counting calories is why we are here honestly. That's all I wanted to say. No further comments from me.
Actually some of us are here to count our macros in grams as opposed to just calories. It's just that MFP must always show the calories.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »I didn't eat a "calorie deficit" per se - I just stopped eating bad foods and ate ALL good foods. I was eating THREE large Haas avocados a day and I was NOT on MFP like y'all are trying to lose weight. I am on it now but already had lost 35 pounds and I was eating 20 oz of salmon a DAY. Eating steamed veggies in BULK. Eating fruit in BULK. I'll bet I was eating up to 2500 cals a day - prior to getting into weight training in July. Not only that, I was actually exercising LESS than I am now - I was burning less calories and not doing as much HIIT in that same time frame.
3 avocados - 900 cals - add 20 oz of salmon - that's another 1000 cals - that's just two foods. Add in fruit and veggies and nuts. Get it?
So if you lost all this weight with only doing paleo, why join MFP? Did you stop losing weight? Because the bigger you are the more you bur and the easier to create a deficit.
And if it makes you feel better i lose at 2500 calories and i have a desk job. Looking at your diary, you seem to average 2300 calories so that is average for what most guys i know are losing at.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »Here you go...
http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/do-calories-matter
Good luck to y'all who think it doesn't matter. It does matter.
I am the living proof it matters. I lost 50 pounds eating 2500 calories a day as a 45 year old man. Period. End of discussion.
I'm sure someone already siad this, but that means then that your TDEE was above 2500 calories. Or you were overestimating how much you ate on average and actually ate less than that.
CICO. Everything else about what you eat is purely for sanity, satiety, endurance, body comp, health, etc purposes.0
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