Eating right & excersing, but gaining weight
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Well, as a 46-year-old man, I lost 47 pounds in a year eating 2100 calories a day. Why? Because I was consistently burning well over 2100 calories a day, despite having a mostly sedentary job. I didn't change anything in my diet, other than to eat buttered toast instead of cereal for breakfast, and to stuff fewer calories into my piehole.0
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »I wasn't in deficit. You don't get it. The body can't metabolize foodstedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I will give you the empirical evidence, me. I did what this person said to the "T" and lost 50 pounds while exercising. I eat a very nutrient-dense diet and won't turn back ever again to sweets and processed foods. It works - now the weight slowly comes off (since I am just below 170) and I am full of energy and life! Why change what works.
Not all calories are the same. Each work in a different manner metabolically. Each person is metabolically different. The best adjustment to make is to eliminate marginal foods to the point where the weight comes off, then keep eating those foods that allow for true weight loss.
Paleo works and it's super healthy. Never heard of a doctor state to me directly that eating veggies, olive oil, nuts, low GI fruits, and lean meats is a bad idea. Actually, that's exactly what they would want you to eat. Lose the processed sugar and you will be free.
Not really the evidence I was looking for. I'd also love to read the science behind your second paragraph, again, not the physiology, but in the context of weight loss benefits over other methods.
You are correct, there is absolutely no reason to change what works. For you.
You lost 50lbs because you ate at a calories deficit. You are no different to any other human being. You chose to do it by eliminating food groups and being restrictive. I lost 50 or so lbs by eating a balanced non-restrictive flexible diet. I also lost weight because I ate at a calorie deficit. It's all the same, just wrapped up in different clothing.
I'm also not sure what true weight loss is, maybe all non paleo weight loss is make believe?
I didn't eat a "calorie deficit" per se - I just stopped eating bad foods and ate ALL good foods. I was eating THREE large Haas avocados a day and I was NOT on MFP like y'all are trying to lose weight. I am on it now but already had lost 35 pounds and I was eating 20 oz of salmon a DAY. Eating steamed veggies in BULK. Eating fruit in BULK. I'll bet I was eating up to 2500 cals a day - prior to getting into weight training in July. Not only that, I was actually exercising LESS than I am now - I was burning less calories and not doing as much HIIT in that same time frame.
3 avocados - 900 cals - add 20 oz of salmon - that's another 1000 cals - that's just two foods. Add in fruit and veggies and nuts. Get it?
And by eating this way you created a deficit without meaning to.
Many veggies, even in bulk, are not that high calorie. Some fruit are naturally lower in calories than others.
You "bet" you were eating that much, but for all you know you weren't. Or you were but your TDEE at the time was high enough due to your excess weight to be able to lose on 2500 calories. 566g (20oz) of salmon is around 1100 calories if you are weighing it cooked, and this would be VERY filling. I eat usually around 150g for a typical salmon serving (cooked weight) and that can easily fill me up for a good while.
So, you are not a special snowflake, you didn't uncover some magical weight loss secret. You ate at a caloric deficit without meaning to. I did as well when I was 19 and "ate clean."
How was I not eating that much. I ate those foods every freaking day. 2500 calories a day. Wasn't working out to 1000 calories to make up for a 1500 BMR. What part of the science here don't you get. Previous year I was working out and burning close to 1000 calories a day and frustrated the weight wouldn't come off - because I didn't change my diet for the better.
Here's a video to share. Don't eat these foods. Doesn't matter what your calorie deficit is if you are eating foods that store as fat immediately.
Don't listen to these fools on here thinking you can eat in moderation any kind of food that causes your body to metabolize the food into fat immediately. They don't get it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APHDrYEHQaY
What part of science don't YOU get?
Calorie deficit= weight loss.
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zakkiwakki wrote: »
Just to upset the vegans and veggies. The human body can thrive on nothing but protein and fat. You will starve to death if you only consume carbohydrates.
Wading through the nonsense and ignoring it, I had to address this point.
I'm a vegetarian. My carb intake? Moderate, 100-150g a day. I get 100g of protein a day. I want to clarify misconceptions for lurkers.
I doubt I'll starve to death. I doubt I'd starve to death even with different macro composition. This higher protein lower carb combination just happens to work for me.
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Gary Taubes..... Why we get fat.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html
Dr Robert Lustig.. Fat Chance. The bitter truth about sugar.
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
David Perlmutter, MD... Grain Brain
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/this-is-your-brain-on-gluten/282550/
Dr William Davis... Wheat Belly
http://www.aaccnet.org/publications/plexus/cfw/pastissues/2012/OpenDocuments/CFW-57-4-0177.pdf
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »What do you guys want, my medical file? LOL!!! Seriously lame stuff here but wateva. When I go in for my physical (a day of victory for me), I can get you my numbers pre and post. BTW - what I do in my life is for the rest of it. That means it's not about "diet". It's about eating right and exercise and doing it consistently over the long-term. My profile is public - when the physical is done and I ask my doctor to what degree can we get medical facts in PDF in order, then you will have them. Cheers!!!
Can you please explain how all the people on this site who have lost weight consuming a varied diet that includes carbs and sugar and who have maintained their losses, who have built muscle, and who have good blood profiles have all managed it?
Seriously, the big problem with everything you're saying is that you're claiming it's the only way to do things.
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Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books0 -
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I'm going to pass on fear mongering. Try again.zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
You are part of the problem. Maybe you are on MFP's payroll because the only way MFP can make it is with people like you who believe starvation = true fat loss. It's about the fat.-1 -
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http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
Read #5-8
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »Here you go...
http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/do-calories-matter
Good luck to y'all who think it doesn't matter. It does matter.
I am the living proof it matters. I lost 50 pounds eating 2500 calories a day as a 45 year old man. Period. End of discussion.
I'm at 46 year old woman who lost 90 pounds without eliminating foods and counting calories, eating between 2000-2400 calories/day and drumroll...I was in a deficit!
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »
I'm going to pass on fear mongering. Try again.zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
You are part of the problem. Maybe you are on MFP's payroll because the only way MFP can make it is with people like you who believe starvation = true fat loss. It's about the fat.
We don't starve ourselves and guess what, we still lose weight.
When done correctly, a calorie deficit doesn't mean starvation.
You don't even know what it means to be starving. Go to Sub-saharan Africa and maybe, just maybe you'll begin to understand.0 -
zakkiwakki wrote: »Message to all those on here who say I'm talking nonsense and to those that think I'm trying to sell something. "Contract" should have said "contact" darn predictive text.... I'm selling nothing. I have nothing to sell.
Here is a short list of books, written in the last few years that are filled with information, written by people who are medically qualified or who have actually taken the time to read the current scientific evidence. Who have spent years working with obesity and it's many health issues. They are not celebrities trying to sell the latest fad diets or jump around DVD:s we've all tried.
Gary Taubes..... Why we get fat.
Nina Teicholz... The big fat surprise
Dr Robert Lustig.. Fat Chance. The bitter truth about sugar.
David Perlmutter, MD... Grain Brain
Dr William Davis... Wheat Belly
Jonny Bowden Ph.D and Stephen Sinatra M.D. The Great Cholesterol Myth: Why Lowering Your Cholesterol Won't Prevent Heart Disease-and the Statin-Free Plan That Will
I could keep going but that should give you all enough to start getting to grips with. Follow up your research by reading the material that is referenced in these books. Don't just take their word as gospel. I certainly didn't and I learnt a whole lot more. My GP wasn't even aware of pattern A and pattern B LDL cholesterol. Are you?
For those that are questioning my exclusion of vegetable oils. Read this.
http://authoritynutrition.com/6-reasons-why-vegetable-oils-are-toxic/
There's huge amounts of evidence out there on this subject alone
And a note to all those who are saying a calorie is a calorie try reading this report on thermogenic effect of high protein diets.
http://www.colorado.edu/intphys/Class/IPHY3700_Greene/pdfs/discussionEssay/thermogenesisSatiety/HaltonProtein2004.pdf
For those that can't be bothered to read it. You will burn up to 30% of the calories just digesting the protein. So 100 calories of protein after digestion can be as low as only 70 calories. That's been known for a long time. 100 calories of glucose is 100 calories.
Here's another abstract for those low fat is the way to go types.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/145/1/177S.abstract
And a recent article in the telegraph in the UK all the way from an American university.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11246112/High-fat-diets-not-as-dangerous-as-high-carbohydrate-plans-claim-scientists.html
Just to upset the vegans and veggies. The human body can thrive on nothing but protein and fat. You will starve to death if you only consume carbohydrates. Doesn't that tell you something??? Before you shoot me down, educate yourself and check it out.
Google is your best tool. Get a Kindle and buy some books. NOT DIET BOOKS but books that will educate you how foods affect the body. Use it and educate yourself. Read current evidence not what you have been told for the last 30+ years. If a site is trying to sell you something, yes I'm looking at you weight watchers et al, move on and ignore the information given. Do alcoholics go to Carlsberg for the best advice? Do diabetics go to British Sugar for advice? I make exceptions for practicing doctors who are trying to educate people by selling a book.
The message of the last 40+ years has been low fat whole grains heart healthy. That seems to run exactly at the same time that obesity has risen. No alarm bells ringing yet? How about the fact that we use wholegrain to fatten up pigs for slaughter? No bells?
Try this experiment.... Drink a pint of double cream.... Bet you feel sick if you actually manage to drink it all that is.. The next day Drink the same amount of cream but add sugar. mmmm that is so yummy. It's best frozen of course with a chemical strawberry flavour added and called ice cream but the first mouthful will be as delicious as the last.
As more and more evidence comes to light surrounding the foods we are consuming and the effects they are having on our bodies hopefully soon we will stop eating all these refined carbs and processed foods we are being offered and get back to a diet that humans have evolved to eat. Meat and two veg with a few fruits thrown is as candy. No fat kids in my school back in the 60's and that what we all lived on.
Find a way of eating that puts you in a calorie deficit without being miserable and constantly craving sugary foods or feeling hungry and you'll lose weight. For me high fat, high protein low carbs is working and I eat way more calories than I should and I'm still losing weight at around 1kg a week. It's actually slowing as I near my target weight. I eat when I'm hungry and as for it being restrictive, there are literally hundreds of different foods I can eat. How many different foods do you actually eat?
BOOM!!!! This person gets it. Comes up with all the science. All done now!!!-2 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »
I'm going to pass on fear mongering. Try again.zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
You are part of the problem. Maybe you are on MFP's payroll because the only way MFP can make it is with people like you who believe starvation = true fat loss. It's about the fat.
Good grief...please stop. How is eating 2000-2400 calories/day as a 46 yr old woman 'starvation'???
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »zakkiwakki wrote: »Message to all those on here who say I'm talking nonsense and to those that think I'm trying to sell something. "Contract" should have said "contact" darn predictive text.... I'm selling nothing. I have nothing to sell.
Here is a short list of books, written in the last few years that are filled with information, written by people who are medically qualified or who have actually taken the time to read the current scientific evidence. Who have spent years working with obesity and it's many health issues. They are not celebrities trying to sell the latest fad diets or jump around DVD:s we've all tried.
Gary Taubes..... Why we get fat.
Nina Teicholz... The big fat surprise
Dr Robert Lustig.. Fat Chance. The bitter truth about sugar.
David Perlmutter, MD... Grain Brain
Dr William Davis... Wheat Belly
Jonny Bowden Ph.D and Stephen Sinatra M.D. The Great Cholesterol Myth: Why Lowering Your Cholesterol Won't Prevent Heart Disease-and the Statin-Free Plan That Will
I could keep going but that should give you all enough to start getting to grips with. Follow up your research by reading the material that is referenced in these books. Don't just take their word as gospel. I certainly didn't and I learnt a whole lot more. My GP wasn't even aware of pattern A and pattern B LDL cholesterol. Are you?
For those that are questioning my exclusion of vegetable oils. Read this.
http://authoritynutrition.com/6-reasons-why-vegetable-oils-are-toxic/
There's huge amounts of evidence out there on this subject alone
And a note to all those who are saying a calorie is a calorie try reading this report on thermogenic effect of high protein diets.
http://www.colorado.edu/intphys/Class/IPHY3700_Greene/pdfs/discussionEssay/thermogenesisSatiety/HaltonProtein2004.pdf
For those that can't be bothered to read it. You will burn up to 30% of the calories just digesting the protein. So 100 calories of protein after digestion can be as low as only 70 calories. That's been known for a long time. 100 calories of glucose is 100 calories.
Here's another abstract for those low fat is the way to go types.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/145/1/177S.abstract
And a recent article in the telegraph in the UK all the way from an American university.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11246112/High-fat-diets-not-as-dangerous-as-high-carbohydrate-plans-claim-scientists.html
Just to upset the vegans and veggies. The human body can thrive on nothing but protein and fat. You will starve to death if you only consume carbohydrates. Doesn't that tell you something??? Before you shoot me down, educate yourself and check it out.
Google is your best tool. Get a Kindle and buy some books. NOT DIET BOOKS but books that will educate you how foods affect the body. Use it and educate yourself. Read current evidence not what you have been told for the last 30+ years. If a site is trying to sell you something, yes I'm looking at you weight watchers et al, move on and ignore the information given. Do alcoholics go to Carlsberg for the best advice? Do diabetics go to British Sugar for advice? I make exceptions for practicing doctors who are trying to educate people by selling a book.
The message of the last 40+ years has been low fat whole grains heart healthy. That seems to run exactly at the same time that obesity has risen. No alarm bells ringing yet? How about the fact that we use wholegrain to fatten up pigs for slaughter? No bells?
Try this experiment.... Drink a pint of double cream.... Bet you feel sick if you actually manage to drink it all that is.. The next day Drink the same amount of cream but add sugar. mmmm that is so yummy. It's best frozen of course with a chemical strawberry flavour added and called ice cream but the first mouthful will be as delicious as the last.
As more and more evidence comes to light surrounding the foods we are consuming and the effects they are having on our bodies hopefully soon we will stop eating all these refined carbs and processed foods we are being offered and get back to a diet that humans have evolved to eat. Meat and two veg with a few fruits thrown is as candy. No fat kids in my school back in the 60's and that what we all lived on.
Find a way of eating that puts you in a calorie deficit without being miserable and constantly craving sugary foods or feeling hungry and you'll lose weight. For me high fat, high protein low carbs is working and I eat way more calories than I should and I'm still losing weight at around 1kg a week. It's actually slowing as I near my target weight. I eat when I'm hungry and as for it being restrictive, there are literally hundreds of different foods I can eat. How many different foods do you actually eat?
BOOM!!!! This person gets it. Comes up with all the science. All done now!!!
Too bad everything he said is NOT science.
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zakkiwakki wrote: »Oh man......look at the "experts" on the list ^^^^^^^
Pro tip: spend less time googling.
If you read the part below it says quite categorically, Read the material referenced in these books. Have you? Have you really gone through it all? There's a lot of extremely well educated and highly qualified people who's work is referenced in just those few books
@zakkiwakki I'm sorry but those books are biased. They are not peer-reviewed and therefore, hold no value.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »I don't take pics of me because I don't have to. I am going to my medical file public when I go in for my physical and demonstrate the before and after through weight. Then I am going to make my PBFs public so you can feel humiliated further. At that point, what will your responses be - "I am not on the payroll"???
I am one of those most honest people on Earth. I don't need to post pics to prove it. What you see is what you get. Go find your hole and sit in it.
@tedboosalis7 You do realize that the only person who should feel humiliated is you, right? You continue to humiliate yourself by claiming you lost weight while you were not in a calorie deficit.0 -
If you are dieting , exercising and still gaining weight, you have to check your thyroid function test.-1
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There's just so much misinformation in this thread that it's ridiculous. Op, it's going to come down to calories in verse calories out, barring any medical condition. There is no reason to cut carbs, sugar, or anything else unless you have a medical condition that warrants it. Most people in this situation realize they are really consuming more then they think, are burning less then they think or aren't weighing/measuring properly. Tweak your measuring and weighing and see how it goes.0
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Chronic insomnia, exercise overload, thyroid... There are other reasons for gaining weight even at a deficit.-1
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47Jacqueline wrote: »Chronic insomnia, exercise overload, thyroid... There are other reasons for gaining weight even at a deficit.
Aren't you the same one who claimed you became dehydrated by drinking more than 8-10 cups of water a day?
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I don't take pics of me because I don't have to. I am going to my medical file public when I go in for my physical and demonstrate the before and after through weight. Then I am going to make my PBFs public so you can feel humiliated further. At that point, what will your responses be - "I am not on the payroll"???
I am one of those most honest people on Earth. I don't need to post pics to prove it. What you see is what you get. Go find your hole and sit in it.
@tedboosalis7 You do realize that the only person who should feel humiliated is you, right? You continue to humiliate yourself by claiming you lost weight while you were not in a calorie deficit.
Oh of course! I am the one who lost 50 pounds and is down to just below 170#, gained muscle, and lost PBF to normal levels.
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If you are counting calories daily, and still not losing weight, then cut your calories by another 100 and wait a month. If nothing, then cut by another 100 and wait another month. If nothing, then cut by another 100 and wait another month.
Do this until you are losing at least 1 pound every 2-3 weeks.
Once you are at your goal weight, add 100 calories and wait a month. If you're still losing weight, add another 100 calories and wait a month. If you're still losing weight, add another 100 calories and wait a month.
See a pattern developing?
Lifelong success is a function of lifelong dedication. It gets easier, but it's never going to be autopilot.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I don't take pics of me because I don't have to. I am going to my medical file public when I go in for my physical and demonstrate the before and after through weight. Then I am going to make my PBFs public so you can feel humiliated further. At that point, what will your responses be - "I am not on the payroll"???
I am one of those most honest people on Earth. I don't need to post pics to prove it. What you see is what you get. Go find your hole and sit in it.
@tedboosalis7 You do realize that the only person who should feel humiliated is you, right? You continue to humiliate yourself by claiming you lost weight while you were not in a calorie deficit.
Oh of course! I am the one who lost 50 pounds and is down to just below 170#, gained muscle, and lost PBF to normal levels.
DUH!!!! WTF!
You are down 50 lbs because you were in a calorie deficit.
http://livehealthy.chron.com/big-calorie-deficit-needed-lose-weight-1356.html
"When it comes to weight loss, calories are king. It doesn’t matter if you’re following a low-fat, low-carbohydrate or glycemic index diet, if you eat too many calories, you won’t lose weight. Successful weight loss depends on creating a calorie deficit, which occurs when you expend more calories than you consume."0 -
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