Giving up diet soda. So hard!
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jasonmh630 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Do people log diet pop? I don't. I also don't log coffee or tea, but don't assume I haven't had any today.
If I logged regularly, which I don't, and if I drank diet coke, which I don't, I would log it. In fact, that would be a definite for me to log because then I would be able to see the difference when I stopped drinking it.
Lena, just how do you believe diet soda makes a person gain weight when there are no calorie in it?
LOL! I love Chuck Norris.
One can only hope that there is diet soda in that Pepsi cup in front of Chuck Norris - that would make the gif perfect. Well, ideally it would be a can of Diet Coke, because Pepsi, blech!
That's one of the reasons why I posted it. :P0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Do people log diet pop? I don't. I also don't log coffee or tea, but don't assume I haven't had any today.
If I logged regularly, which I don't, and if I drank diet coke, which I don't, I would log it. In fact, that would be a definite for me to log because then I would be able to see the difference when I stopped drinking it.
Lena, just how do you believe diet soda makes a person gain weight when there are no calorie in it?
LOL! I love Chuck Norris.
One can only hope that there is diet soda in that Pepsi cup in front of Chuck Norris - that would make the gif perfect. Well, ideally it would be a can of Diet Coke, because Pepsi, blech!
That's one of the reasons why I posted it. :P
I figured it was intentional, just wanted to make sure everyone else saw it - sometimes Chuck Norris is so magnetic people fail to see anything else!
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Ja_ja_jakeya wrote: »Lynette4321 wrote: »I don't feel good about all the chemicals. Also, it keeps the sweet tooth going and makes it hard to stay away from sweets.
You guys are obviously not listening. She chose to give up diet soda for the chemicals not just to "suffer along" for a diet.
OP I suggest you drink some chilled herbal tea or fresh squeezed lemonade is also extremely easy to make.
We aren't really talking about the OP anymore, but having a discussion of whether it was or was not terrible to ask her why she wanted to drop diet soda and let her know there was no need to do so to successfully lose weight. Way back at the beginning of the thread a bunch of us also answered her question (I gave the chilled herbal tea idea, in fact, which I usually prefer to diet soda), but for some reason some people have decided to get all huffy about the fact that people dared to suggest that quitting diet soda might not be necessary and desirable always and for everyone.
I think pretty much everyone thinks it's fine for the OP to quit soda; we aren't arguing that she shouldn't, but explaining why we think the questions (which she answered, as you quoted) were sensible ones.
no, people got huffy when I and some others suggested that it might have helped us to lose weight by quitting diet soda. so, yeah, people are arguing that she shouldn't.
I haven't been involved in that argument, but I personally think the claim that one can lose weight by giving up diet soda is absurd. Might someone find it actually helps them eat less if they struggle with craving sweet stuff and are trying to go cold turkey there or some such? Possibly, sure, but presumably people can see if this is actually the case for them and know if they are eating too much because they are craving sweet stuff (and of course eating the sweet stuff is what causes the weight gain). It doesn't cause me cravings, but I also don't find it that difficult to eat or not eat sweet stuff anyway. (One of the studies MoiAussi was so excited about claims that artificial sweeteners might cause cravings because it does not have the dopamine effect of sugar, which is kind of funny, really, since normally we have to hear about how dopamine response makes sugar like crack. At least we know artificial sweeteners aren't "as addictive as crack," yay.)
Anyway, point is that saying that it's absurd to claim that diet soda will cause weight gain (absent something more) is NOT saying that people must therefore drink soda or OP should not quit it. Basic logic here.
There is all kinds of contradicting yourself going on here.0 -
19 Days Pepsi Free! I'm down 6lbs. I traded one addiction with another... I now drink home brewed iced tea. I limit myself to 8oz per day and I've perfected the amount of sugar that I add. 9.4 oz of sugar per 1 gallon - 129 calories per 8oz serving. I was up to a minimum of 1 liter of Pepsi per day - that's 112 grams of sugar. It's working for me!0
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19 Days Pepsi Free! I'm down 6lbs. I traded one addiction with another... I now drink home brewed iced tea. I limit myself to 8oz per day and I've perfected the amount of sugar that I add. 9.4 oz of sugar per 1 gallon - 129 calories per 8oz serving. I was up to a minimum of 1 liter of Pepsi per day - that's 112 grams of sugar. It's working for me!
Just to clarify, you were drinking regular Pepsi, not diet Pepsi? So the 6 lb weight loss you are seeing can be attributed to consuming less calories by the conversion to ice tea. This makes sense, lots of people make this change when they are trying to lose weight. Great job!
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Try weaning off by drinking Perrier water! I find people are more addicted to the feeling of drinking carbonation over anything else
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You can also squirt some lemon in it.0
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I was addicted to diet coke, coke, dr. pepper, coffee, etc....There were days where I would drink 12 diet cokes a day (I know, it is so embarrassing to say). No one ever thought I would quit, but I did using caffeine pills. I started with one in the morning and one in the evening and gradually cut down by cutting them into 1/4ths. If you are not addicted to caffeine, then I cannot explain to you how bad the headaches are when you try to quit! It is awful, AWFUL- and this was the only way I could quit and still function!!
You will eventually learn to love water- I love it now!!
And with pizza you always drink a very tall, very cold beer
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Hi. Op chiming in again. This thread has been interesting to watch. I did feel somewhat attacked at first, but I think I get where people are coming from now
I first counted calories on another website back in 2007. I lost 80 lbs and kept it off for 3 years. I gained it back primarily because of meds I was taking. I used this app a year ago and lost a little, but gained it back. I deleted those entries because I wanted to change my starting weight.
I was looking at the foods that are still in my database from my last attempt. I realize that some people can just eat less and not change what they eat. I don't believe that's the case for me. If I eat exactly what I want to, I will eat nothing but processed food and anything sweet I can get my hands on.
That brings me to my desire to seriously reduce sweetness in my diet. I want to retrain my tastebuds and I can't do that if I'm constantly bathing them in sweet tasting beverages. I had a pear a couple of days ago and it tasted wonderful! This from someone who very rarely eats fruits or vegetables.
If a person doesn't care that much about sweets then it wouldn't matter much for them if they drink diet soda or not. My husband is overweight but doesn't care about sweets. He can drink a can a day and be fine. I was drinking more and more till I was up to 4 or more cans a day. I tried just drinking less but I couldn't do it.
The funny thing is that after just a few days, I'm not struggling nearly as much. I'm drinking tea and water (which I wasn't drinking at all).
I think we all are different and we need to remember that how we experience something doesn't invalidate what someone else experiences.
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Lynette4321 wrote: »Hi. Op chiming in again. This thread has been interesting to watch. I did feel somewhat attacked at first, but I think I get where people are coming from now
The funny thing is that after just a few days, I'm not struggling nearly as much. I'm drinking tea and water (which I wasn't drinking at all).
I think we all are different and we need to remember that how we experience something doesn't invalidate what someone else experiences.
I'm glad I posted and I appreciate the input.
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Lynette4321 wrote: »Hi. Op chiming in again. This thread has been interesting to watch. I did feel somewhat attacked at first, but I think I get where people are coming from now
I first counted calories on another website back in 2007. I lost 80 lbs and kept it off for 3 years. I gained it back primarily because of meds I was taking. I used this app a year ago and lost a little, but gained it back. I deleted those entries because I wanted to change my starting weight.
I was looking at the foods that are still in my database from my last attempt. I realize that some people can just eat less and not change what they eat. I don't believe that's the case for me. If I eat exactly what I want to, I will eat nothing but processed food and anything sweet I can get my hands on.
That brings me to my desire to seriously reduce sweetness in my diet. I want to retrain my tastebuds and I can't do that if I'm constantly bathing them in sweet tasting beverages. I had a pear a couple of days ago and it tasted wonderful! This from someone who very rarely eats fruits or vegetables.
If a person doesn't care that much about sweets then it wouldn't matter much for them if they drink diet soda or not. My husband is overweight but doesn't care about sweets. He can drink a can a day and be fine. I was drinking more and more till I was up to 4 or more cans a day. I tried just drinking less but I couldn't do it.
The funny thing is that after just a few days, I'm not struggling nearly as much. I'm drinking tea and water (which I wasn't drinking at all).
I think we all are different and we need to remember that how we experience something doesn't invalidate what someone else experiences.
I'm glad I posted and I appreciate the input.
good for you. it really isn't that difficult once you get past the first few days ime.0 -
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i find it funny. the mods are eventually probably going to remove the flags, unless people learn how to use them correctly.0 -
Lynette4321 wrote: »Hi. Op chiming in again. This thread has been interesting to watch. I did feel somewhat attacked at first, but I think I get where people are coming from now
I first counted calories on another website back in 2007. I lost 80 lbs and kept it off for 3 years. I gained it back primarily because of meds I was taking. I used this app a year ago and lost a little, but gained it back. I deleted those entries because I wanted to change my starting weight.
I was looking at the foods that are still in my database from my last attempt. I realize that some people can just eat less and not change what they eat. I don't believe that's the case for me. If I eat exactly what I want to, I will eat nothing but processed food and anything sweet I can get my hands on.
That brings me to my desire to seriously reduce sweetness in my diet. I want to retrain my tastebuds and I can't do that if I'm constantly bathing them in sweet tasting beverages. I had a pear a couple of days ago and it tasted wonderful! This from someone who very rarely eats fruits or vegetables.
If a person doesn't care that much about sweets then it wouldn't matter much for them if they drink diet soda or not. My husband is overweight but doesn't care about sweets. He can drink a can a day and be fine. I was drinking more and more till I was up to 4 or more cans a day. I tried just drinking less but I couldn't do it.
The funny thing is that after just a few days, I'm not struggling nearly as much. I'm drinking tea and water (which I wasn't drinking at all).
I think we all are different and we need to remember that how we experience something doesn't invalidate what someone else experiences.
I'm glad I posted and I appreciate the input.
That's great to hear, thanks for coming back!
I remember the thing that most surprised me as being naturally sweet once I retrained my taste buds--almonds. Who knew?
The cool thing is, now that I've reintroduced food back into my diet (and diet soda), the almonds still taste sweet. So the lessons you're learning now WILL stick with you. Just offering you some hope for down the line.
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jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Mamapeach, why the interest in getting people to drink diet soda? I would have thought someone with your medical history would be more interested in nutrition.
I have no interest in getting people to drink diet soda. Read my first post in this thread. I believe it's on the first page. I even gave the OP some suggestions on helping her quit her habit.
I do have a great interest in people making unsubstantiated nonsense claims with no factual basis arguing an all or nothing approach. You know why? I've worked my way through 20 years of falling for that nonsense and coming out the other side.
If the OP wants to give up soda, that's great. She shouldn't be giving it because of trumped up nonsense, though. Everyone deserves the chance to make their choices based on knowing facts.
It's not nonesense that giving up diet soda helped me to lose weight. I also didn't say she needs to go for an all or nothing approach. Why does it matter so much to you why she gives it up?
Sorry, I haven't been overweight for 20 years in order to fall for as much nonesense as you apparently have.
Didn't you say you don't understand why your posts are getting flagged and that they don't break the terms of use? This (above) IS against the terms of use.
I paraphrased what she said. I see nothing wrong with my post.
And anyway, even if that's against the terms of use, that is NOT what the flags are for. The abuse flag is for things like porn. The spam flag is for spam bots. My post falls into neither of those categories.
My perfect post is now hidden
Violating the terms of use IS categorized under the "abuse" blanket.
no it isn't. re-read the rules and see the suggestions/feedback section where the mods clarified. it's not.
abuse is meant for either porn or things you would not want your kid to see if they are looking over your shoulder. that does not qualify.
Either way, taking a personal shot at someone's weight (like you did) is not only unethical but also still against the terms of use. That's true, regardless of if it falls under the "abuse" cloud or not.
wasnt a shot against her. she said she fell for weight loss gimmics for 20 years. i paraphrased.
unethical? not according to my ethics.
Unethical may have been a poor choice of words. Whether you were paraphrasing or not, the way you worded your comment came off like you were taking a personal shot at her. Like you were trying to be insultingly sarcastic.
Yup. Wasn't the first time she did it either. Posting the dictionary definition of "joke" earlier in the thread was another example, but hey, I figure I'm probably old enough to be her mother and it's really not a big deal what someone on the internet thinks of me.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Mamapeach, why the interest in getting people to drink diet soda? I would have thought someone with your medical history would be more interested in nutrition.
I have no interest in getting people to drink diet soda. Read my first post in this thread. I believe it's on the first page. I even gave the OP some suggestions on helping her quit her habit.
I do have a great interest in people making unsubstantiated nonsense claims with no factual basis arguing an all or nothing approach. You know why? I've worked my way through 20 years of falling for that nonsense and coming out the other side.
If the OP wants to give up soda, that's great. She shouldn't be giving it because of trumped up nonsense, though. Everyone deserves the chance to make their choices based on knowing facts.
It's not nonesense that giving up diet soda helped me to lose weight. I also didn't say she needs to go for an all or nothing approach. Why does it matter so much to you why she gives it up?
Sorry, I haven't been overweight for 20 years in order to fall for as much nonesense as you apparently have.
Didn't you say you don't understand why your posts are getting flagged and that they don't break the terms of use? This (above) IS against the terms of use.
I paraphrased what she said. I see nothing wrong with my post.
And anyway, even if that's against the terms of use, that is NOT what the flags are for. The abuse flag is for things like porn. The spam flag is for spam bots. My post falls into neither of those categories.
My perfect post is now hidden
Violating the terms of use IS categorized under the "abuse" blanket.
no it isn't. re-read the rules and see the suggestions/feedback section where the mods clarified. it's not.
abuse is meant for either porn or things you would not want your kid to see if they are looking over your shoulder. that does not qualify.
Either way, taking a personal shot at someone's weight (like you did) is not only unethical but also still against the terms of use. That's true, regardless of if it falls under the "abuse" cloud or not.
wasnt a shot against her. she said she fell for weight loss gimmics for 20 years. i paraphrased.
unethical? not according to my ethics.
Unethical may have been a poor choice of words. Whether you were paraphrasing or not, the way you worded your comment came off like you were taking a personal shot at her. Like you were trying to be insultingly sarcastic.
Yup. Wasn't the first time she did it either. Posting the dictionary definition of "joke" earlier in the thread was another example, but hey, I figure I'm probably old enough to be her mother and it's really not a big deal what someone on the internet thinks of me.
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Lynette4321 wrote: »I was looking at the foods that are still in my database from my last attempt. I realize that some people can just eat less and not change what they eat. I don't believe that's the case for me. If I eat exactly what I want to, I will eat nothing but processed food and anything sweet I can get my hands on.
That brings me to my desire to seriously reduce sweetness in my diet. I want to retrain my tastebuds and I can't do that if I'm constantly bathing them in sweet tasting beverages. I had a pear a couple of days ago and it tasted wonderful! This from someone who very rarely eats fruits or vegetables.
If a person doesn't care that much about sweets then it wouldn't matter much for them if they drink diet soda or not. My husband is overweight but doesn't care about sweets. He can drink a can a day and be fine. I was drinking more and more till I was up to 4 or more cans a day. I tried just drinking less but I couldn't do it.
The funny thing is that after just a few days, I'm not struggling nearly as much. I'm drinking tea and water (which I wasn't drinking at all).
I think we all are different and we need to remember that how we experience something doesn't invalidate what someone else experiences.
I'm glad I posted and I appreciate the input.
Good to know yourself, and I'm glad it's working. I actually agree that it works better for many to think of this as a change, rather than just eating less--I think of that as focusing on an overall positive change, and did it myself.
I guess I've never had an issue where pears or other fruits and veggies didn't taste good to me, or where I wouldn't want to include them in my diet if when eating what I want in moderation, so it is hard for me to understand that effect (I love pears, aren't they great?!), but it's certainly sensible for people to do what they can to try and open their tastebuds to these kinds of foods, so good for you! (I am endlessly surprised by how many people claim to dislike all healthy foods and the like, but typically none of the folks arguing for moderation are in that camp--I think most of us are in favor of and try to eat a broadly healthy diet, just with no unnecessary restrictions.)
I hope you did understand that no one was trying to undermine what you are doing or telling you not to do it by sharing the information we did (or by getting into a separate set of arguments). It's just you do get LOTS of people around here with weird ideas about what they have to do, so you want to make sure they aren't buying into some of that and making it harder than it needs to be.
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I had a soda addiction for about 30 years and haven't had a soda for over a year. I found that I just had to quit drinking it all together or I would eventually slip back to larger quantities. I never could get a taste for diet soda other than the minute maid lite lemonade that they had at the movie theater. Anyway, after gaining so much weight, I was pre-diabetic and was frequently swollen in individual joints or my whole body. Drinking it was just making me ill. Even the minute maid diet lemonade made me ill. It is very difficult, but definitely worth quitting. I will never be able to drink soda again without over-using it, so I won't touch it.
I pretty much only drink water. I make sure that I drink 100 oz a day (use water logger to track it); it really helps with dieting and I feel much better when I drink a lot of water. I have never tasted coffee in my life so thankfully don't have that addiction. I will periodically drink a warm herbal tea. Iced tea makes me sick to my stomach. My husband really likes the flavored/unflavored carbonated waters, but he is a big tea drinker too. I am addicted to chewing ice so I have a KitchenAid countertop ice maker that makes soft ice. Another alternative to plain tap water is to add fruit into a pitcher to add flavor (cucumber with lemon is delicious).
I have given up soda plus am eating much more enjoyable foods. I don't think of my current diet as having given up anything I love ... and I'm not eating any of the same foods any more. I really truly like what I'm eating now much much better. It is so much more flavorful and tasty plus more nutritious and lower calorie. I've lost 50 pounds since Sept 16, 2014 (and am still in the obesity range). I love eating what I'm eating now more than ever. Using myfitnesspal has really helped me evaluate the foods that I'm eating and make the best choices for my lifestyle0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Mamapeach, why the interest in getting people to drink diet soda? I would have thought someone with your medical history would be more interested in nutrition.
I have no interest in getting people to drink diet soda. Read my first post in this thread. I believe it's on the first page. I even gave the OP some suggestions on helping her quit her habit.
I do have a great interest in people making unsubstantiated nonsense claims with no factual basis arguing an all or nothing approach. You know why? I've worked my way through 20 years of falling for that nonsense and coming out the other side.
If the OP wants to give up soda, that's great. She shouldn't be giving it because of trumped up nonsense, though. Everyone deserves the chance to make their choices based on knowing facts.
It's not nonesense that giving up diet soda helped me to lose weight. I also didn't say she needs to go for an all or nothing approach. Why does it matter so much to you why she gives it up?
Sorry, I haven't been overweight for 20 years in order to fall for as much nonesense as you apparently have.
Didn't you say you don't understand why your posts are getting flagged and that they don't break the terms of use? This (above) IS against the terms of use.
I paraphrased what she said. I see nothing wrong with my post.
And anyway, even if that's against the terms of use, that is NOT what the flags are for. The abuse flag is for things like porn. The spam flag is for spam bots. My post falls into neither of those categories.
My perfect post is now hidden
Violating the terms of use IS categorized under the "abuse" blanket.
no it isn't. re-read the rules and see the suggestions/feedback section where the mods clarified. it's not.
abuse is meant for either porn or things you would not want your kid to see if they are looking over your shoulder. that does not qualify.
Either way, taking a personal shot at someone's weight (like you did) is not only unethical but also still against the terms of use. That's true, regardless of if it falls under the "abuse" cloud or not.
wasnt a shot against her. she said she fell for weight loss gimmics for 20 years. i paraphrased.
unethical? not according to my ethics.
Unethical may have been a poor choice of words. Whether you were paraphrasing or not, the way you worded your comment came off like you were taking a personal shot at her. Like you were trying to be insultingly sarcastic.
Yup. Wasn't the first time she did it either. Posting the dictionary definition of "joke" earlier in the thread was another example, but hey, I figure I'm probably old enough to be her mother and it's really not a big deal what someone on the internet thinks of me.
you're not old enough to be my mother
You don't even know how old I am!
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