Giving up diet soda. So hard!
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Interestingly, the demands to know why people want to do things only come up in the threads where people wish to discourage the behavior. I believe many people ask why just so that they can argue with the reason and mock the OP if the OP believes things they don't believe.lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Mamapeach, why the interest in getting people to drink diet soda? I would have thought someone with your medical history would be more interested in nutrition.
She's debunking false information. She has not expressed an interest in whether anyone drinks diet soda or not. Sometimes it seems like some people (you know who you are) would prefer that false information not be debunked if that false information might scare others into doing what you think is in their best interest. I think that's horrible, and that it's more important to have as much accurate information as possible. Then other adults can decide what they want to do based on facts.
Yes, I'm an eternal optimist.
For me, it's not that. It's about respecting their decision. Their reasons don't matter.
I don't believe that seeking more information to better give them the advice asked for or to have a discussion is "not respecting their decision." I see it as having a discussion and sharing thoughts and experience. I've also seen tons of people on these boards seem genuinely relieved in realizing that their diet didn't have to be as onerous as all that. I've also seen people get upset because others didn't go along with their super special cleanse plan, of course (OP is not in that category in any way), but I still think it was good people shared the facts.
I have yet to see the mocking crowd ask anyone Why they want to increase their protein or throw out the Science! that suggests there is no benefit to going over a certain amount. When people ask how to increase protein, they're given answers. When they ask for helpful strategies to decrease pop or sweets, they get asked why and then mocked.
Not you, personally, but it happens. A lot.
If people want to cut pop, for whatever reason, they should be able to discuss it without being discouraged, much less mocked. It certainly won't harm them.
yep, it's like people are just looking for a fight half the time.-2 -
kathryn2130 wrote: »Lynette4321 wrote: »i gave up sweets and diet soda and it's the diet soda that I miss so badly! I was drinking soda that didn't even have caffeine, but I apparently have quite an addiction.
I don't like spring water and I'm sick of water. What am I going to drink with pizza? Any ideas?
It's hard at first but you can do this. Diet soda can be just as bad for you as regular. It makes you more thirsty but masks it to your body like you are hungry and you end up eatting more than you realize. I drink water, flavored water, green teas w/ sucralose not aspertame, coffee. Good luck to you.
What is wrong with aspartame and coffee?
coffee stains your teeth and can set off acid reflux.0 -
The first link is really just nonsense from an integrative medicine centre. There is no study, just opinions. Methanol is produced from the metabolism of many foods, not just aspartame. In fact, the same amount of tomato juice produces 5x the amount. The body is able to metabolise methanol, formaldehyde, and formic acid with any issues.http://www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/articles/aspartame_addiction.html
"Aspartame beverages contain 55 mg methanol per liter"
"The body attempts to detoxify methyl alcohol by oxidizing it to
formaldehyde (a deadly neurotoxin and Class A carcinogen), and then to
formate or formic acid within minutes. Formate and formaldehyde each may
contribute to toxicity and nervous system/immune dysfunction through
various mechanisms. One is the conjugation of formaldehyde with human
serum albumin (F-HSA) to form a new antigenic determinant. Patients
with multiple health complaints who had been exposed chronically to
formaldehyde develop anti F-HSA antibodies and elevated Tal cells
(antigen memory cells), consistent with sustained antigenic
stimulation of the immune system"
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v514/n7521/full/nature13793.html
Artificial sweeteners alter gut flora, causing glucose intolerance (prediabetes)
There you has it folks - a couple of mechanisms. The dangers of artificial sweeteners have been known for decades. Individual responses to artificial sweetners vary.
Artificial sweetner withdrawal can last a month, during which your body will get rid of substances like methanol, phenylalanine and aspartic acid, leading to headaches, sweet cravings, varying energy levels, and mood disruption. Try to drink a lot of water, eat a healthy diet, and exercise to help this process. Be patient with yourself, many other people have gone through the same thing, and experienced the benefits of living without diet sodas. Good for you for taking care of yourself this way - it's a challenge, you can do it
The amount of woo in that link is scary.....the author mainly cites himself, or else misrepresents others.0 -
kathryn2130 wrote: »Lynette4321 wrote: »i gave up sweets and diet soda and it's the diet soda that I miss so badly! I was drinking soda that didn't even have caffeine, but I apparently have quite an addiction.
I don't like spring water and I'm sick of water. What am I going to drink with pizza? Any ideas?
It's hard at first but you can do this. Diet soda can be just as bad for you as regular. It makes you more thirsty but masks it to your body like you are hungry and you end up eatting more than you realize. I drink water, flavored water, green teas w/ sucralose not aspertame, coffee. Good luck to you.
What is wrong with aspartame and coffee?
coffee stains your teeth and can set off acid reflux.
So can citrus fruits and many other foods. Guess we should tell people to stop eating those too?
And as for staining teeth- easily reduced by brushing your teeth.0 -
I have drank pepsi my entire life. I had an addiction like no other. Ease out of it. I cant stand plain water. I found it helpful to use crystal light in with my water to help; It is all I drink now. I really try no to even treat myself to a pepsi because I know that as soon as I taste it... its over. Done deal. I have come so far. You can do it. It is hard hard hard but set your mind to it. You can do it.0
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kathryn2130 wrote: »Lynette4321 wrote: »i gave up sweets and diet soda and it's the diet soda that I miss so badly! I was drinking soda that didn't even have caffeine, but I apparently have quite an addiction.
I don't like spring water and I'm sick of water. What am I going to drink with pizza? Any ideas?
It's hard at first but you can do this. Diet soda can be just as bad for you as regular. It makes you more thirsty but masks it to your body like you are hungry and you end up eatting more than you realize. I drink water, flavored water, green teas w/ sucralose not aspertame, coffee. Good luck to you.
What is wrong with aspartame and coffee?
coffee stains your teeth and can set off acid reflux.
So can citrus fruits and many other foods. Guess we should tell people to stop eating those too?
And as for staining teeth- easily reduced by brushing your teeth.
coffee is worse than citrus fruits
and you would have to remember to brush your teeth immediately after drinking it. not always gonna happen.
geeeez, it's like people really argue just for the sake of it. it stains your teeth. deal with it.-1 -
vickierivero1 wrote: »I have drank pepsi my entire life. I had an addiction like no other. Ease out of it. I cant stand plain water. I found it helpful to use crystal light in with my water to help; It is all I drink now. I really try no to even treat myself to a pepsi because I know that as soon as I taste it... its over. Done deal. I have come so far. You can do it. It is hard hard hard but set your mind to it. You can do it.
Crystal light contains the SAME artificial sweetners. How is that any different?0 -
kathryn2130 wrote: »Lynette4321 wrote: »i gave up sweets and diet soda and it's the diet soda that I miss so badly! I was drinking soda that didn't even have caffeine, but I apparently have quite an addiction.
I don't like spring water and I'm sick of water. What am I going to drink with pizza? Any ideas?
It's hard at first but you can do this. Diet soda can be just as bad for you as regular. It makes you more thirsty but masks it to your body like you are hungry and you end up eatting more than you realize. I drink water, flavored water, green teas w/ sucralose not aspertame, coffee. Good luck to you.
What is wrong with aspartame and coffee?
coffee stains your teeth and can set off acid reflux.
So can citrus fruits and many other foods. Guess we should tell people to stop eating those too?
And as for staining teeth- easily reduced by brushing your teeth.
coffee is worse than citrus fruits
and you would have to remember to brush your teeth immediately after drinking it. not always gonna happen.
geeeez, it's like people really argue just for the sake of it. it stains your teeth. deal with it.
Oh that's hysterical coming from you.
Or you can drink with a straw. I drink coffee everyday... Multiple cups per day. No acid reflux and bright white teeth. Guess I must have magic teeth then.
Tomatoes are much worse for acid reflex than coffee.0 -
kathryn2130 wrote: »Lynette4321 wrote: »i gave up sweets and diet soda and it's the diet soda that I miss so badly! I was drinking soda that didn't even have caffeine, but I apparently have quite an addiction.
I don't like spring water and I'm sick of water. What am I going to drink with pizza? Any ideas?
It's hard at first but you can do this. Diet soda can be just as bad for you as regular. It makes you more thirsty but masks it to your body like you are hungry and you end up eatting more than you realize. I drink water, flavored water, green teas w/ sucralose not aspertame, coffee. Good luck to you.
What is wrong with aspartame and coffee?
coffee stains your teeth and can set off acid reflux.
So can citrus fruits and many other foods. Guess we should tell people to stop eating those too?
And as for staining teeth- easily reduced by brushing your teeth.
coffee is worse than citrus fruits
and you would have to remember to brush your teeth immediately after drinking it. not always gonna happen.
geeeez, it's like people really argue just for the sake of it. it stains your teeth. deal with it.
Oh that's hysterical coming from you.
Or you can drink with a straw. I drink coffee everyday... Multiple cups per day. No acid reflux and bright white teeth. Guess I must have magic teeth then.
Tomatoes are much worse for acid reflex than coffee.
LOL you are 27. I had bright white teeth at 27 too. good luck at 40. and YES, you can drink it with a straw and that helps. I'm talking about drinking it the normal way with hot coffee. most people don't drink it with a straw.
seriously, do you just like to argue about everything?
what do tomatoes have to do with my point? i think that coffee is worse for acid reflux than tomatoes, but irrelevant anyway. and good for you not having acid reflux. this is completely irrelevant to my point. it causes it for some people. did not say all. it also tends to happen when you are older than 27.-3 -
elphie, are you flagging all my posts now? that post is not against the TOS and neither is the one a few posts up.0
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you care enough to argue incessantly with me for absolutely no reason, so pretty good assumption considering all the flags.0 -
you care enough to argue incessantly with me for absolutely no reason, so pretty good assumption considering all the flags.
Grow up. You don't know who else could be reading and finding your posts offensive.
I however, am done with responding to you. I don't need the juvenile attacks and accusations.-2 -
you care enough to argue incessantly with me for absolutely no reason, so pretty good assumption considering all the flags.
Grow up. You don't know who else could be reading and finding your posts offensive.
I however, am done with responding to you. I don't need the juvenile attacks and accusations.
nothing about my posts were juvenile. you were picking a fight.
i see flags, so assuming the obvious person who is picking a fight is not exactly outlandish or juvenile.
what "attacks" are you referring to?-1 -
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emily_stew wrote: »http://www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/articles/aspartame_addiction.html
"Aspartame beverages contain 55 mg methanol per liter"
"The body attempts to detoxify methyl alcohol by oxidizing it to
formaldehyde (a deadly neurotoxin and Class A carcinogen), and then to
formate or formic acid within minutes. Formate and formaldehyde each may
contribute to toxicity and nervous system/immune dysfunction through
various mechanisms. One is the conjugation of formaldehyde with human
serum albumin (F-HSA) to form a new antigenic determinant. Patients
with multiple health complaints who had been exposed chronically to
formaldehyde develop anti F-HSA antibodies and elevated Tal cells
(antigen memory cells), consistent with sustained antigenic
stimulation of the immune system"
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v514/n7521/full/nature13793.html
Artificial sweeteners alter gut flora, causing glucose intolerance (prediabetes)
There you has it folks - a couple of mechanisms. The dangers of artificial sweeteners have been known for decades. Individual responses to artificial sweetners vary.
Artificial sweetner withdrawal can last a month, during which your body will get rid of substances like methanol, phenylalanine and aspartic acid, leading to headaches, sweet cravings, varying energy levels, and mood disruption. Try to drink a lot of water, eat a healthy diet, and exercise to help this process. Be patient with yourself, many other people have gone through the same thing, and experienced the benefits of living without diet sodas. Good for you for taking care of yourself this way - it's a challenge, you can do it
Are you trolling. There we has what? Those articles (yes, I read them, and no, they are not proper clinical studies) were about as biased as they come..not surprising considering the sources you pulled them from.
I agree that Mercola has a hate on for aspertame...
Have you seen the stuff on methanol? - it's a little scary. It demylinizes nerves....
I'm not sure where you are getting biased on the diet soda causing high blood sugar study, though...
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0006322393902518
Aspertame worsens depression compared to placebo. Study halted because of increase of severity of symptoms.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2524.1988.hed2801010.x/abstract
Aspertame increased incidence of headaches in some migraine sufferers
http://aop.sagepub.com/content/35/6/702.short
Fibromyalgia symptoms resolved when subjects removed items like msg or aspertate (an ingredient in aspartame) from their diets.
Based on scientific studies, and the experiences of posters on this thread, in sensitive individuals, exposure to aspertame can cause headaches and exacerbate medical conditions. A poster may have good reason to remove artificial sweeteners from their diets, but not wish to reveal their medical history. Aspertame withdrawal has unpleasant symptoms, so you can see why someone would ask for help with it. There's no real nutritional benefit from diet soda that you can't get from a glass of water, and for some people there are undesireable consequences.0 -
Mixing water with lemon juice is tasty. I don't even need to add sugar to it, it has a light, but tart flavor.0
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