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Tydeclare44 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Tydeclare44 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Tydeclare44 wrote: »Joncgilliam wrote: »Maybe take a look at your carb or sugar consumption (you can use the my fitness pal reports), and try to scale those back. Sugar can trigger an insulin response that triggers your body to put on fat. I was eating boxed cereal for breakfast, and even though it was a lower-sugar cereal, and when I started checking out my stats, that was a huge amount of sugar and carbs. It was hard to do, because my body was addicted to the morning sugar, but I switched that out for 3 eggs and a can of tuna for breakfast, and that accelerated my fat loss. It took several days before I was no longer craving the cereal though. Note that 3 eggs is more than the recommended allotment, but more recent research on eggs is tending to say they're more healthy than previously thought. I also get a heafty allotment of mercury with the canned tuna, but I try to buy the more expensive ones that are lower (and the research on how bad mercury is for non-pregnant adults is saying that's not as bad as they hype would suggest).
Please also ignore this. If you're having problems feeling hungry all the time and it leads you to overeat, then consider more nutrient dense food that keeps you feeling full longer. If not, continue eating as you like. Sugar intake does not matter.
Actually sugar does matter. I'm sorry but 300 calories of chicken and 300 calories of pop tarts affect you much differently. Sugar, for one, makes you retain water. Now I'm not saying that a fully ketogenic diet is the way to go (I lost ~20 pounds on one), but everyone is different. One thing will not work for everyone. So, follow whatever discipline you choose, but don't say that sugar intake doesn't matter.
So saying the bold in a forum where OP is having trouble losing is not to try to promote the diet.
Beside for people with medical issues calories in< calories out is the way to lose weight and no single factor in the diet matters. That includes sugar.
No...
If you read the whole quote, I clearly say that a diet that worked for me isn't going to work for everyone. My first post about the importance of sleep in this forum, that was advice.
did you just restate what I already bold?
What you have bolded is a personal example from my life which I used to give evidence to my point. My point was not to promote a keto diet. If you look at the quote I responded to, it was to someone saying that sugar intake does not matter. My point is that it does (as ndj states, it's diet and dosage that matters). I can see how you may think that I was promoting, but 2 things. 1) I wasn't talking to OP. I was responding to someone. 2) I say follow whatever discipline you want because not everything works for everyone.
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Tydeclare44 wrote: »Tydeclare44 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Tydeclare44 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Tydeclare44 wrote: »Joncgilliam wrote: »Maybe take a look at your carb or sugar consumption (you can use the my fitness pal reports), and try to scale those back. Sugar can trigger an insulin response that triggers your body to put on fat. I was eating boxed cereal for breakfast, and even though it was a lower-sugar cereal, and when I started checking out my stats, that was a huge amount of sugar and carbs. It was hard to do, because my body was addicted to the morning sugar, but I switched that out for 3 eggs and a can of tuna for breakfast, and that accelerated my fat loss. It took several days before I was no longer craving the cereal though. Note that 3 eggs is more than the recommended allotment, but more recent research on eggs is tending to say they're more healthy than previously thought. I also get a heafty allotment of mercury with the canned tuna, but I try to buy the more expensive ones that are lower (and the research on how bad mercury is for non-pregnant adults is saying that's not as bad as they hype would suggest).
Please also ignore this. If you're having problems feeling hungry all the time and it leads you to overeat, then consider more nutrient dense food that keeps you feeling full longer. If not, continue eating as you like. Sugar intake does not matter.
Actually sugar does matter. I'm sorry but 300 calories of chicken and 300 calories of pop tarts affect you much differently. Sugar, for one, makes you retain water. Now I'm not saying that a fully ketogenic diet is the way to go (I lost ~20 pounds on one), but everyone is different. One thing will not work for everyone. So, follow whatever discipline you choose, but don't say that sugar intake doesn't matter.
So saying the bold in a forum where OP is having trouble losing is not to try to promote the diet.
Beside for people with medical issues calories in< calories out is the way to lose weight and no single factor in the diet matters. That includes sugar.
No...
If you read the whole quote, I clearly say that a diet that worked for me isn't going to work for everyone. My first post about the importance of sleep in this forum, that was advice.
did you just restate what I already bold?
What you have bolded is a personal example from my life which I used to give evidence to my point. My point was not to promote a keto diet. If you look at the quote I responded to, it was to someone saying that sugar intake does not matter. My point is that it does (as ndj states, it's diet and dosage that matters). I can see how you may think that I was promoting, but 2 things. 1) I wasn't talking to OP. I was responding to someone. 2) I say follow whatever discipline you want because not everything works for everyone.
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JenMaselli wrote: »Someone please tell me what this cardio is that burns 1000 calories in 60 minutes because I am all over that.
I'm pretty sure I could burn that if I could climb up the steepest slope of Mt. Kilimanjaro at a 10min/mile pace.
I think I'll settle for my measly 420 cals for a 6 mile in an hour run. I won't even feel cheated.0 -
Why are you lifting?...Do you weigh/log everything? Are you sticking to a 500Cal minimum daily deficit?
Best advice: Stop lifting. Do 30 days of cardio (30 Day Shred is a good place to start), Stick to a Calorie deficit Diet. Eat balanced. Eat every 2-3 hours. (Bfast>Fruit snack>Lunch>Fruitsnack>Dinner>Protein Shake>Snack). Train for 4 days, take one day off. Rinse and repeat.
If you are trying to get a toned athletic look, then you need to reduce your body fat percentage before you start trying to build/improve muscle definition, otherwise your never going to see any real difference. And as for Calorie Burn, 60 mins of Cardio will burn about 1000 calories, whereas 60 mins of intermittent Lifting will burn about 400 Calories. High Intensity Cardio Interval Training is the best way to Burn calories/fat/energy and improve heart/lung function as well as toning muscle.
Man I wish! The most calories I've burned doing cardio (spin class w/ a lot of resistance) for 60 minutes is about 550 calories. I can only get in the 600s if I tack on another 15 minutes. I'm 5'1 and fluctuating between 133-136lbs.
And the rest of this is garbage as well. Why would you ever tell someone not to lift? I'm not even a lifter (I bodyweight train) and I know the importance of lifting.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »Hi have you been checking your measurements? As your shape may have changed x
if you are useless at measuring like me you can use what i called test shorts. i put on these shorts that were too tight on me every two weeks, until one day they just fell off. this really helped me when i start getting frustrated with my scales.
It's funny! I have test jeans. I've weighed myself, measured myself, been bodpod measured, I own fat calipers. But nothing beats the day when those jeans just suddenly 'sit right'. Sometimes I wear them for days on end in the house to remind me not to eat too muchas they get really uncomfortable.
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TimothyFish wrote: »Not that there's anything wrong with lifting weights, but jimbmc is correct that cardio tends to burn calories at a faster rate. Whether or not you're going to get 1000 calories per hour is dependent on your size and the intensity of the workout, but some people achieve those numbers. A runner burns 0.63 x (their weight in lbs) for every mile. A walker burns 0.30 x (their weight) for every mile.
I weigh 127lb and even during a fast race I don't burn more than 600 per hour.
Unless people are already fit they shouldn't be using exercise to create a medium to large deficit anyway in my book, there's no point cutting too much more than 10/15% under TDEE and its better to create the deficit from food and take care not to over stress the body while its in defecit and not in an optimal repairing position(maintenance).
I lift while on a cut, and do cardio but I'm very careful to not go more than 5% under Tdee. If I cut harder I do it on a rest day or a walk day.0 -
After reading your replies, I'd say you need better sleep and a reduction to your stress levels. Your food diary looks ok, one thing that helped me start losing again was cutting out the stress in my life.0
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Tydeclare44 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Tydeclare44 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Tydeclare44 wrote: »Joncgilliam wrote: »Maybe take a look at your carb or sugar consumption (you can use the my fitness pal reports), and try to scale those back. Sugar can trigger an insulin response that triggers your body to put on fat. I was eating boxed cereal for breakfast, and even though it was a lower-sugar cereal, and when I started checking out my stats, that was a huge amount of sugar and carbs. It was hard to do, because my body was addicted to the morning sugar, but I switched that out for 3 eggs and a can of tuna for breakfast, and that accelerated my fat loss. It took several days before I was no longer craving the cereal though. Note that 3 eggs is more than the recommended allotment, but more recent research on eggs is tending to say they're more healthy than previously thought. I also get a heafty allotment of mercury with the canned tuna, but I try to buy the more expensive ones that are lower (and the research on how bad mercury is for non-pregnant adults is saying that's not as bad as they hype would suggest).
Please also ignore this. If you're having problems feeling hungry all the time and it leads you to overeat, then consider more nutrient dense food that keeps you feeling full longer. If not, continue eating as you like. Sugar intake does not matter.
Actually sugar does matter. I'm sorry but 300 calories of chicken and 300 calories of pop tarts affect you much differently. Sugar, for one, makes you retain water. Now I'm not saying that a fully ketogenic diet is the way to go (I lost ~20 pounds on one), but everyone is different. One thing will not work for everyone. So, follow whatever discipline you choose, but don't say that sugar intake doesn't matter.
So saying the bold in a forum where OP is having trouble losing is not to try to promote the diet.
Beside for people with medical issues calories in< calories out is the way to lose weight and no single factor in the diet matters. That includes sugar.
No...
If you read the whole quote, I clearly say that a diet that worked for me isn't going to work for everyone. My first post about the importance of sleep in this forum, that was advice.
did you just restate what I already bold?
What you have bolded is a personal example from my life which I used to give evidence to my point. My point was not to promote a keto diet. If you look at the quote I responded to, it was to someone saying that sugar intake does not matter. My point is that it does (as ndj states, it's diet and dosage that matters). I can see how you may think that I was promoting, but 2 things. 1) I wasn't talking to OP. I was responding to someone. 2) I say follow whatever discipline you want because not everything works for everyone.
There is something that burns body tissue that is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to work for everyone.
Calories in Calories out.
CICO.
You can dress it up anyway you like, Keto, low carb, cabbage, toothpaste, maple syrup whatevs.
When you take away the water and glycogen loss 'noise'(drops in weight on the scale not fat related), all those fancy diets IF THEY CREATE A CALORIE DEFICIT do the same thing.
Our goal at the end of the day is to lose FAT. Not water out of your gut, organs, skin from carb depletion (unless you're competing in a body comp), not glycogen from your muscles and organs, not calcium from your bones, not muscle tissue. Body Fat. The trick is doing that without burning away anything else. A few of us here know how to do that. Some of us here don't know their stuff yet but are in the process of learning hopefully.
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After reading your replies, I'd say you need better sleep and a reduction to your stress levels. Your food diary looks ok, one thing that helped me start losing again was cutting out the stress in my life.
As stated already, sleep does not help you make a calorie deficit. Lack of sleep possibly may hinder recovery from exercise so you retain a little more WATER which may mask your weight loss for a while.
I'm not knocking sleep! But as an insomniac I've had my best fat burning periods while sleeping very little, I was just in a calorie deficit.
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Why are you lifting?...Do you weigh/log everything? Are you sticking to a 500Cal minimum daily deficit?
Best advice: Stop lifting. Do 30 days of cardio (30 Day Shred is a good place to start), Stick to a Calorie deficit Diet. Eat balanced. Eat every 2-3 hours. (Bfast>Fruit snack>Lunch>Fruitsnack>Dinner>Protein Shake>Snack). Train for 4 days, take one day off. Rinse and repeat.
If you are trying to get a toned athletic look, then you need to reduce your body fat percentage before you start trying to build/improve muscle definition, otherwise your never going to see any real difference. And as for Calorie Burn, 60 mins of Cardio will burn about 1000 calories, whereas 60 mins of intermittent Lifting will burn about 400 Calories. High Intensity Cardio Interval Training is the best way to Burn calories/fat/energy and improve heart/lung function as well as toning muscle.
Terrible advice. Please, ignore this^
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This thread....wow
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After reading your replies, I'd say you need better sleep and a reduction to your stress levels. Your food diary looks ok, one thing that helped me start losing again was cutting out the stress in my life.
How did cutting stress out of you life help you lose weight?
How does sleep and a reduction of stress levels help?
I ask these questions because you can sleep all you want, and reduce all stress factors, but it will not help you lose weight unless you eat at a calorie deficit it.0 -
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If a solid 8 hours of sleep is needed to have successful weight loss then I'd be stuffed!! It's so easy to SAY get more sleep. But some of us are crappy sleepers like myself. I can't remember the last time I slept 8 hours straight
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@MrM27, you told me that I have been wasting my time lifting heavy for the last four months since you were responding to my personal experience with lifting and eating at a deficit. Building strength and doing something I really enjoy is not a waste of time. My deficit is small because I dont have a lot to lose. I'm sure if OP only dieted for 4 wks or was close to goal weight and lifted heavy for 4 wks the results would show faster. It took me these 4 months of lifting to increase my strength enough to go from deadlifting the 45lb Oly bar to 145lbs. No way I could have done that in 4 weeks. Building that strength and a little muscle is what helped me shed some fat and get the results I am quite happy with. And, yes, it took 4 months. I don't think that's unreasonable at all with a small deficit.You may think it's a waste of time but I hope that OP sticks with it and doesn't get discouraged after one month of work. You are entitled to your opinion but I think I know best about what has or has not been a waste of my time. 'Bye.0
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For weight loss, which is what the OP was asking, four weeks is plenty of time. Four months is absolutely wasting time, if you are talking weight loss, like the OP.0
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christinev297 wrote: »If a solid 8 hours of sleep is needed to have successful weight loss then I'd be stuffed!! It's so easy to SAY get more sleep. But some of us are crappy sleepers like myself. I can't remember the last time I slept 8 hours straight
I don't need 8 hours! As for the reducing stress, anyone handing out that advice needs to just come down here with a checkbook and a moving van and help me out. Still managed to lose 35 pounds.0 -
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Springfield1970 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »Not that there's anything wrong with lifting weights, but jimbmc is correct that cardio tends to burn calories at a faster rate. Whether or not you're going to get 1000 calories per hour is dependent on your size and the intensity of the workout, but some people achieve those numbers. A runner burns 0.63 x (their weight in lbs) for every mile. A walker burns 0.30 x (their weight) for every mile.
I weigh 127lb and even during a fast race I don't burn more than 600 per hour.
Unless people are already fit they shouldn't be using exercise to create a medium to large deficit anyway in my book, there's no point cutting too much more than 10/15% under TDEE and its better to create the deficit from food and take care not to over stress the body while its in defecit and not in an optimal repairing position(maintenance).
I lift while on a cut, and do cardio but I'm very careful to not go more than 5% under Tdee. If I cut harder I do it on a rest day or a walk day.
When I was 296, I burned 1396 calories an hour doing karate. Now I"m 181, it's 822. I would burn 470 calories in 30 minutes jogging, now I burn 411 running (I've sped up since I lost weight). How much you burn in cardio can depend a lot on how much you weigh. After a 2 hour karate class, I could eat whatever I wanted and still lose weight. Going to Disneyland, I lost 8 pounds in a week (slightly more than double my usual weight loss) just because of all the walking around - I burned about 3000 extra calories a day in the park (starting weight 263). Earning those bonus exercise calories when you are morbidly obese rocks.
I've been resistance training (mostly bodyweight), jogging/running, doing karate, and horseback riding throughout my weightloss journey. There's no reason not to exercise for a medium to large deficit when you are not fit, and every reason to go for it. I believe my exercise to be responsible for at least half of my weight loss, and all of the esthetic improvement in my now visible muscles. I'm feeling healthier, running faster, lifting heavier, with better form, and more reps, jumping higher, have better balance, agility, and flexibility, I've lost the ache in my knee, and I'm no longer afraid of hurting myself falling (I broke my ankle jogging during my last attempt to get healthy). And everything I get better at motivates me to keep going, eat healthy, and stay in a calorie deficit.
Loging calories and thinking about everything I can't eat is demotivating. Exercise is motivating, and has been shown to have health benefits, especially for someone with my medical conditions (depression, diabetes, sleep disorder, asthma). It targets visceral fat, helps sleep, improves mood, protects and enhances cognitive function, increases insulin sensitivity, prevents some cancers, reduces cardiovascular risk indicators, and enhances a dieter's chance of maintaining weight loss. So long as someone is getting good nutrition, and adequate quality protein, there is no reason to discourage them from exercising, regardless of fitness level, and every reason to encourage them in realistic fitness goals. There's no reason for the "unfit" to confine themselves to diet for their deficit. Exercise does not only belong to those who are already fit.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »cdiponio87 wrote: »Running/Jogging (4 times a week) in conjunction with 1500 cals daily = weight loss.
So does a calorie deficit alone or lifting 4 times a week with a calorie deficit or sitting around every day with a calorie deficit.
In actuality, exercise is not needed for weight loss, it's simply an added plus with many health benefits.
That's very true but, for me at least, weight loss without exercise sucks in so many ways.
Oh gosh, don't get me wrong. I weight lift three times a week, run three times a week, and do the elliptical cross-trainer. I love exercising. However, to say a certain exercise will lead to weight loss is poor advice.
It's never the exercise itself that leads to weight loss, but the calorie deficit. And the calorie deficit can be achieved without exercise.
Oh, I wasn't saying anything in particular about you, just that for me I could do it without exercise but I would hate life.
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Muscle does not weigh more than fat, any more than lead weighs more than feathers. A pound is a pound is a pound. Where the misunderstanding often comes in is that muscle is much more dense than fat, so that, by volume, it seems to weigh more. That is, a pound of muscle occupies less space than a pound of fat. In addition, because a pound of muscle burns more fat than a pound of fat, even at rest, by increasing your lean muscle tissue mass, you're helping your body burn more calories.
But back to your question. If you only have a small amount of weight to lose, then you may feel like the weight training is not helping you move down on the scale. In fact, the number may even go up, but you will look thinner. This is due to an increase in lean body mass (muscle, bone, blood volume) and a decrease in body fat. In other words, even if the scale doesn't change much, you will probably see a difference in how your clothes fit.
On the other hand, if you have a lot of weight to lose, you will also experience an increase in lean body mass and loss of body fat. But the results on the scale will probably be more dramatic.0 -
In! :JenMaselli wrote: »Someone please tell me what this cardio is that burns 1000 calories in 60 minutes because I am all over that.
Hot sex
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Ask your wife or girlfriend.
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Not something you have...cough *applies to women.0 -
Time of the Month.
This thread, man. Holy moly.
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