Anyone Trying Whey Protein For Weight Loss?
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SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »
Honestly I thought you would be smart enough to research it yourself if you were that interestedSoThisIsthe40s wrote: »
This isn't my first week on Whey Protein it's my first week on MFP. I would be happy to find the research for you if you don't want to google it yourself but honestly I didn't come here to argue about Whey Protein. I came here to find people who were using it the same way as me and see if it was helping them the same way. I don't even understand why people are so determined to argue about it when I wasn't asking for advice about using Whey. Whey can also help you gain weight if your a body builder but you have to understand there are different ways it can be used and it's funny that you see there are people in this message that have said they either considered using it or have used it successfully to help them with weight loss and I am also using it successfully for weight loss. I understand it's not a popular route and a new theory on Whey Protein but that's why I was looking here for others that are doing it because I was interested in the success rate since it's working so well for me.SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Do you have any of this research because whey is just a supplement. It's great that it keeps you full, which in the end is probably helping reduce your calories, but whey doesn't even touch my hunger..
BTW, the first week of starting a routine will generally yield high weight loss due to water loss.
No one is here to argue with you. You are making some claims that many of us know not to be true so the burden of proof is on you to provide the necessary evidence that supports your claim. Since this isn't your first week on MFP you should know that's how it works.SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Here is a small article you can read on it but there is lots of information out there about it if you want search it yourself http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-women-drink-whey-protein-trying-lose-weight-8694.html
The is an article that doesn't tell us anything we don't know. It still doesn't support your claims. If there is lots of information out there then provide us with it it should be hard to find.
as I stated before I'm not here to argue about whey protein and didn't ask for advice on it so I'm not sure why your even commenting beside the fact you have a problem with arguing with people in general over nothing that concerns you?!?!? I hope you get over that and find your peace in your Whey Protein findings.
I'm just reveling in the irony of this....
You realize you're arguing with people who HAVE done their research involving you know....scientific articles and studies not Women's Magazine and who have successfully lost weight the same way anyone else does....through a calorie deficit.
Honestly, he's not arguing for the sake of it. It's to clarify to newbies that there is no magical weight loss property in whey protein or any other supplement. I take protein powders on the occasion because it's a convenient way to hit my protein macro. That's it.0 -
SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »
Honestly I thought you would be smart enough to research it yourself if you were that interestedSoThisIsthe40s wrote: »
This isn't my first week on Whey Protein it's my first week on MFP. I would be happy to find the research for you if you don't want to google it yourself but honestly I didn't come here to argue about Whey Protein. I came here to find people who were using it the same way as me and see if it was helping them the same way. I don't even understand why people are so determined to argue about it when I wasn't asking for advice about using Whey. Whey can also help you gain weight if your a body builder but you have to understand there are different ways it can be used and it's funny that you see there are people in this message that have said they either considered using it or have used it successfully to help them with weight loss and I am also using it successfully for weight loss. I understand it's not a popular route and a new theory on Whey Protein but that's why I was looking here for others that are doing it because I was interested in the success rate since it's working so well for me.SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Do you have any of this research because whey is just a supplement. It's great that it keeps you full, which in the end is probably helping reduce your calories, but whey doesn't even touch my hunger..
BTW, the first week of starting a routine will generally yield high weight loss due to water loss.
No one is here to argue with you. You are making some claims that many of us know not to be true so the burden of proof is on you to provide the necessary evidence that supports your claim. Since this isn't your first week on MFP you should know that's how it works.SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Here is a small article you can read on it but there is lots of information out there about it if you want search it yourself http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-women-drink-whey-protein-trying-lose-weight-8694.html
The is an article that doesn't tell us anything we don't know. It still doesn't support your claims. If there is lots of information out there then provide us with it it should be hard to find. as I stated before I'm not here to argue about whey protein and didn't ask for advice on it so I'm not sure why your even commenting beside the fact you have a problem with arguing with people in general over nothing that concerns you?!?!? I hope you get over that and find your peace in your Whey Protein findings.
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No. But I use it for protein when I need it. This is funny.0
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
Yeah, I don't think you really understand what "people" here are saying. CICO rules for weight loss. No one is arguing that satiety is all about CICO.0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Again, that's not how it works. You make the claims, you provide the research that states if you eat only protein in excess, it won't store as fat/you won't gain weight.0 -
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
"Excess calories of any nature, regardless of the source, will be stored by the body as fat."0 -
I have these whey protein shakes that I love, I was drinking them every morning for breakfast. I have discovered that I get more full if I eat food, so I switched to Greek yogurt with bran buds (same amount of calories).
The shakes worked for me because I wasn't counting calories, so it was a good controlled amount. Now that I'm counting calories, I find eating my meals works better (or the same, but more filling).0 -
You need to read the article I just posted. Funny, that's not how it works. Your body utilizes energy to process protein - so not all protein can be stored nor is it ever stored. If you ingest more of carbs/fat over the long run - and past BRM +activity = TDEE - then it's possible it will. But it can't if you are below it on net carbs + fat. Period.0
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
In what world is that a scientific article?0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
You said:Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store.
But per the article you just cited:So when everything is said and done, even if we never move a muscle, only 35% of the calories we get from protein can be stored as body fat. You read that correctly. Over two-thirds of calories from protein are burned converting protein into a compound which can be stored as body fat.
So...it can/does get stored as body fat. Okay then.
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I just wanted to comment on the way people are tossing around the word "evidence," here. A triple blinded, peer reviewed study is evidence. Articles, even very technical ones, are not evidence. Sometimes they cite good sources, and sometimes they don't, but it's the original well done study that is the evidence.
It's something you are going to find via an academic database (pubmed, for instance, is a good place to start). The truth is, if you googled for it, it's almost certainly not actual evidence.0 -
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3dogsrunning wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
In what world is that a scientific article?
Because it has the word science in the url?0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
You do realize that the source of my article was the exact same source as the article the OP posted, which you lauded as "very well done," right?0 -
3dogsrunning wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
In what world is that a scientific article?
A world in which we have all found peace in our Whey Protein Findings.0 -
3dogsrunning wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
In what world is that a scientific article?
Did you see the citations and how it was written - as well as the facts used in writing the article? It was pretty point blank.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
You do realize that the source of my article was the exact same source as the article the OP posted, which you lauded as "very well done," right?
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
You do realize that the source of my article was the exact same source as the article the OP posted, which you lauded as "very well done," right?
Exactly my point - so... if you ingest more of net carbs + fat - than "TDEE" then you have an issue with protein. If you are below BMR with net carbs + fat - there's really not conceivable way you can store protein - why? Because it takes energy to process the protein - read that article - he says that practically verbatim.
Done - have a good night. Have at it.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
You do realize that the source of my article was the exact same source as the article the OP posted, which you lauded as "very well done," right?
Exactly my point - so... if you ingest more of net carbs + fat - than "TDEE" then you have an issue with protein. If you are below BMR with net carbs + fat - there's really not conceivable way you can store protein - why? Because it takes energy to process the protein - read that article - he says that practically verbatim.
Done - have a good night. Have at it.
For any lurkers who don't really want to go read the article...no, the author doesn't say that practically verbatim. In fact, he says that protein can/does get stored.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
You do realize that the source of my article was the exact same source as the article the OP posted, which you lauded as "very well done," right?
Exactly my point - so... if you ingest more of net carbs + fat - than "TDEE" then you have an issue with protein. If you are below BMR with net carbs + fat - there's really not conceivable way you can store protein - why? Because it takes energy to process the protein - read that article - he says that practically verbatim.
Done - have a good night. Have at it.
[very small voice] Boom?0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
You do realize that the source of my article was the exact same source as the article the OP posted, which you lauded as "very well done," right?
Exactly my point - so... if you ingest more of net carbs + fat - than "TDEE" then you have an issue with protein. If you are below BMR with net carbs + fat - there's really not conceivable way you can store protein - why? Because it takes energy to process the protein - read that article - he says that practically verbatim.
Done - have a good night. Have at it.
For any lurkers who don't really want to go read the article...no, the author doesn't say that practically verbatim. In fact, he says that protein can/does get stored.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »SoThisIsthe40s wrote: »Whey Protein actually will help you loose weight because it's turns off your hunger and cravings and revs up your metabolism and there is research that backs that up. I understand calories have to be accounted for but since I started drinking Whey Protein in the morning I am no longer hungry throughout the day and have lost all my cravings for junk food and sugar. I've only joined MFP for a little over a week but my next weigh in that I use for this app is tomorrow and I already know I've lost at least 5 lbs this week with minimal effort. So my interest is in others that are using it first thing in the morning before they eat and how it is working for them.
Yes Moderator, this can be true. Excessive protein intake will lead you to feeling fuller longer. Therefore, the only conclusion is one would not eat in excess of anything else due to the protein excessive intake.
The real contributor to calories against BMR is net carbs + fat. If you add up your net carbs + fat and it's below BMR on a consistent basis, then you have found your magic bullet. That's true CICO - but the peeps on here that say otherwise don't get it.
I will flat out tell ya that I ingested in total calories much more than BMR plus activity in losing 50#. However, if you add up my net carb + fat, then work against BMR + activity (TDEE in essence), then you would find I was ingesting less "calories" as energy that potentially can be converted to fat. Hence the weight loss - and 100% of the weight loss was fat. Eating excessive protein was part of that dynamic.
You made a great point and contribution to the forum. It is conceivable that you can ingest more protein over the long run and lose weight. It's about figuring out the dynamic on it.
I find it humorous to the point of comical that people think it's so simple to just say CICO and that's all you need to do. Not true - not all calories are made the same. Unfortunately, MFP is a CICO-based site. They can't think otherwise.
TY.
But really, no.
Yep that's true. The only form of storable energy in your body comes from two sources - carbs and fat. Protein doesn't store. The body processes what it needs and then discards the rest as waste. That happens through your kidneys and inevitably your colon.
That's it. There's no other way to look at it. Please find for me an article stating that pure protein stores as fat. I would love to read it.
Here you go, Ted.
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/much-protein-turn-fat-6257.html
From the very first paragraph:
"Any excess protein will ultimately be stored as fat."
No - that's if you are already over - in other words, if your caloric intake among the carbs and fat you ingested as part of the protein mix - would put you over, then it may store. That's not a given.
If you don't ingest enough on carbs and fat - then you can't store it. Your body will process what it needs and let the rest waste out.
BOOOOOOM!!! A real scientific article.
http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/calorie-quality-factor-4-efficiency/
Good luck!
You do realize that the source of my article was the exact same source as the article the OP posted, which you lauded as "very well done," right?
Exactly my point - so... if you ingest more of net carbs + fat - than "TDEE" then you have an issue with protein. If you are below BMR with net carbs + fat - there's really not conceivable way you can store protein - why? Because it takes energy to process the protein - read that article - he says that practically verbatim.
Done - have a good night. Have at it.
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