"Clean" or Flexible Eating - food for thought?
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I am convinced that flexible eating, or relaxed dieting as I called it, was the one key to my finally being able to lose weight. After years of trying everything under the sun, low carb, no sugar, no fat etc etc, I was thrilled to realize I could still eat all the things I loved as long as I stayed in my calorie range or planned for them. I firmly believe that for many people, restricting certain things only leads to failure down the road.0
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KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?0 -
Tedebearduff wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I would tend to think lack of flexibility leads to binge behaviors. Control snaps, the binge and overeating happens because you swear you'll get back on track and never eat the offending substance again. BUT... while you're eating the forbidden fruit, you shove as much as you can into your face because you're never ever having it. Lather, rinse, repeat.
As for food and mood? I used to think they were connected, now I disagree. My moods are entirely separate from my food. Food can't make me anything except not hungry. I enjoy something that's tasty, I get satisfaction from having cooked something delicious, but food has no control over how I feel.
I spent a while trying to untangle wanting to eat to soothe myself. I guess I'm finally there. I think the idea of a restrictive diet is appealing to people who like control, who feel that if they can just do xyz, everything will fall into place. That sort of thinking does go hand in hand with anxiety. It's not related to the eating, but it's typical thinking of someone with anxiety. The peace of surrender and the surety of their own strength hasn't settled into their bones yet.
Hey this is false, your body has a different hormonal response to foods which can/will effect your mood.
What food can make you angry or depressed? Seriously?
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
Maybe it's just ad simple as you get cranky because you are hungry. Why look to a specific food to blame it on. You are not the only person that gets cranky when they are hungry.The last time I ate sugary food I was mean as a snake (sorry snakes aren't really mean, I apologize to all the snakes I just slandered) and then I had gluten too, the last two days of it, and I was a vicious and depressed little beast (I apologize to all the beasts I just slandered).
I guess the question is, how are you making this correlations that XX foods makes you mean. Because whether sugar is from fruit or a piece of chocolate, your body will process it similar. And if you associate the fiber as being keying, what happens when you have chocolate and veggies?
Well maybe it isn't the sugar. Maybe it's a preservative or additive. Maybe it's the chocolate (since that is mostly what I go for) Maybe I should eat a tablespoon of pure sugar and see if that does anything to me.
I know what happens if I have chocolate and veggies, though. Nothing good comes of it. I will crave it and I will not feel well later.
Well if I'm still hungry after 2000 calories of ice cream (and I always am) that pretty much negates CICO for me.
No because CICO doesn't have anything to do with being hungry. If you eat 2000 calories of ice cream and are not full it's no surprise because that food will not be providing satiety. That doesn't negate CICO. If you are in a deficit at 2000 and eat that much and fight off hunger you lose weight.
You're right, it's satiety. But that still goes to show I should pick my foods carefully because being hungry all the time sucks. I can deal with it intermittently (I actually do IF) but every day is awful!
What about the abstract I posted? No one is going to tear into it, refute it, comment on it, anything?
I'll comment on it - It's a bit poorly written - it's not clear in their method summary whether they actually carried out immunoassays to come up with their conclusions or if this is just a proposal - unfortunately the full text wasn't easily available. But probably their background citations support what you are saying - some correlation of anxiety/dep with IBS patients. But this is also true of most disease states. Being ill sucks and gets us down.
I see what you're saying. That goes with my thoughts on maybe I'm getting cranky and sad when I eat certain foods because I feel crappy and lethargic when I eat certain foods.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Tedebearduff wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I would tend to think lack of flexibility leads to binge behaviors. Control snaps, the binge and overeating happens because you swear you'll get back on track and never eat the offending substance again. BUT... while you're eating the forbidden fruit, you shove as much as you can into your face because you're never ever having it. Lather, rinse, repeat.
As for food and mood? I used to think they were connected, now I disagree. My moods are entirely separate from my food. Food can't make me anything except not hungry. I enjoy something that's tasty, I get satisfaction from having cooked something delicious, but food has no control over how I feel.
I spent a while trying to untangle wanting to eat to soothe myself. I guess I'm finally there. I think the idea of a restrictive diet is appealing to people who like control, who feel that if they can just do xyz, everything will fall into place. That sort of thinking does go hand in hand with anxiety. It's not related to the eating, but it's typical thinking of someone with anxiety. The peace of surrender and the surety of their own strength hasn't settled into their bones yet.
Hey this is false, your body has a different hormonal response to foods which can/will effect your mood.
What food can make you angry or depressed? Seriously?
How about the opposite where coffee, teas, St John's Wort, etc. are known serotonin pathway modifier. Which in turn affects mood and hunger signaling?
Or the term "hangry"?
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What is unhealthy food?KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
When you say you eat crap food do you mean feces?
Whatever my definition of healthy food is what I'm eating obviously enables me to express my opinion without being insulting and disgusting.0 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?
Feel free to read my bio, my personal opinions about healthy food are clearly written there. You can disagree with me if you like.0 -
in…to see where this goes…KombuchaCat wrote: »
What is unhealthy food?KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
When you say you eat crap food do you mean feces?
Whatever my definition of healthy food is what I'm eating obviously enables me to express my opinion without being insulting and disgusting.
so you have no definition then?0 -
OP - I agree with the premise of your post that obsessing about "clean food" (whatever that is) will lead to an unhealthy relationship. There are no "bad' foods there is just food that your body uses or energy and various body functions. Hit your calorie/macro/micro goals and you will be fine. context and dosage is what matters….0
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I have dared to question the merits of IIFYM, let me be struck down by the weightloss gods and flounder endlessly in the mires of delicious, whole foods that make me feel good!0
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KombuchaCat wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?
Feel free to read my bio, my personal opinions about healthy food are clearly written there. You can disagree with me if you like.
Your bio does seem to suggest you do obsess about things. Whether it is tea or living with only 100/300 things, it sort of points to a case study in OC behavior. Now, it might very well work for you and that's great but it doesn't in anyway challenge the findings of the research posted.
And the reason for posting that is - as a warning or consideration to others - perhaps, in some cases - restrictive behaviour leads down a spiral that will make someone not succeed. Thinking about it, even if you decide to restrict, might help avoid those pitfalls.
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KombuchaCat wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?
Feel free to read my bio, my personal opinions about healthy food are clearly written there. You can disagree with me if you like.
its not my job to go hunting for your definition ..
if you want to provide it feel free …
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in…to see where this goes…KombuchaCat wrote: »
What is unhealthy food?KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
When you say you eat crap food do you mean feces?
Whatever my definition of healthy food is what I'm eating obviously enables me to express my opinion without being insulting and disgusting.
so you have no definition then?
Pretty much
As I stated before, read my bio, my opinions are there.0 -
One thing to consider is that when we think of food as good/bad, or healthy/crap, we can induce a placebo type effect where we eat bad/crap and feel anxious, guilty, physically uncomfortable, etc. This really makes it difficult to objectively sort out how food affects us - although it does not negate that there can be effects.
Re the article, Jolinia. It's hard to comment without the full article. Unfortunately, abstracts do not give an accurate view of scientific findings. I looked up the article, but I'd need to make an interlibrary loan request to get it.0 -
girlviernes wrote: »One thing to consider is that when we think of food as good/bad, or healthy/crap, you can induce a placebo type effect where you eat bad/crap and feel anxious, guilty, physically uncomfortable, etc. This really makes it difficult to objectively sort out how food affects us - although it does not negate that there can be effects.
Re the article, Jolinia. It's hard to comment without the full article. Unfortunately, abstracts do not give an accurate view of scientific findings. I looked up the article, but I'd need to make an interlibrary loan request to get it.
Us poor people have to work with what we can get, but I wonder if my local library has any full papers available on the subject? Time to find out!
Someone else just posted about early ketosis having an effect similar to GHB though, and that bothers me. Because I love that week 2 feeling. And I'm trying to balance my ketone levels to get it back. But what if it's not possible because it was a temporary natural high? I want my food to make me feel good and energetic all the time. Or as good and energetic as it's possible for me to be given my age, history, genetics yadayada.
Edit: Whoo hoo! Yes my library does have some full articles. Thanks!0 -
KombuchaCat wrote: »in…to see where this goes…KombuchaCat wrote: »
What is unhealthy food?KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
When you say you eat crap food do you mean feces?
Whatever my definition of healthy food is what I'm eating obviously enables me to express my opinion without being insulting and disgusting.
so you have no definition then?
Pretty much
As I stated before, read my bio, my opinions are there.
Pretty much: I am a member of the Dr. Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) and follow their eating principles.This means I eat whole, nutrient dense, traditional foods." And I have eliminated added sugars and keep fruit to a minimum and only lower fructose fruits like berries and kiwi.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?
Feel free to read my bio, my personal opinions about healthy food are clearly written there. You can disagree with me if you like.
Your bio does seem to suggest you do obsess about things. Whether it is tea or living with only 100/300 things, it sort of points to a case study in OC behavior. Now, it might very well work for you and that's great but it doesn't in anyway challenge the findings of the research posted.
And the reason for posting that is - as a warning or consideration to others - perhaps, in some cases - restrictive behaviour leads down a spiral that will make someone not succeed. Thinking about it, even if you decide to restrict, might help avoid those pitfalls.
So having interests makes me obsessive? Thinking about consumerism and making decisions based on sustainabilty and health is a bad thing? Someone reading my bio and thinking about my ideas would surely push them over the edge into OCD behavior by your logic. I must eat processed foods or I'm not normal...that's not a normal I want to be.0 -
KombuchaCat wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?
Feel free to read my bio, my personal opinions about healthy food are clearly written there. You can disagree with me if you like.
its not my job to go hunting for your definition ..
if you want to provide it feel free …
Not my job to define my opinion either.0 -
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KombuchaCat wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?
Feel free to read my bio, my personal opinions about healthy food are clearly written there. You can disagree with me if you like.
Your bio does seem to suggest you do obsess about things. Whether it is tea or living with only 100/300 things, it sort of points to a case study in OC behavior. Now, it might very well work for you and that's great but it doesn't in anyway challenge the findings of the research posted.
And the reason for posting that is - as a warning or consideration to others - perhaps, in some cases - restrictive behaviour leads down a spiral that will make someone not succeed. Thinking about it, even if you decide to restrict, might help avoid those pitfalls.
So having interests makes me obsessive? Thinking about consumerism and making decisions based on sustainabilty and health is a bad thing? Someone reading my bio and thinking about my ideas would surely push them over the edge into OCD behavior by your logic. I must eat processed foods or I'm not normal...that's not a normal I want to be.
No, being obsessive about interests makes one obsessive. I know. I have very strong OCD tendencies.
I'm not attacking you, you invited us to read your bio - stating you are obsessive about teas is your own words. It's an observation about the language you express.
The rest of your post is a strawman - I'm not saying that one needs to eat processed foods. Nor am I making any comments about YOUR diet and YOUR 'normality'. Your defensiveness on the subject is unnecessary. Actually - a lot about your description is admirable - eating locally provided foods, lots of fruits and veg, etc., etc. Bravo.
But there is no need to play the defensive victim about your food choices - they are yours and no one here is telling you that you need to eat otherwise.
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
Maybe it's just ad simple as you get cranky because you are hungry. Why look to a specific food to blame it on. You are not the only person that gets cranky when they are hungry.The last time I ate sugary food I was mean as a snake (sorry snakes aren't really mean, I apologize to all the snakes I just slandered) and then I had gluten too, the last two days of it, and I was a vicious and depressed little beast (I apologize to all the beasts I just slandered).
I guess the question is, how are you making this correlations that XX foods makes you mean. Because whether sugar is from fruit or a piece of chocolate, your body will process it similar. And if you associate the fiber as being keying, what happens when you have chocolate and veggies?
Well maybe it isn't the sugar. Maybe it's a preservative or additive. Maybe it's the chocolate (since that is mostly what I go for) Maybe I should eat a tablespoon of pure sugar and see if that does anything to me.
I know what happens if I have chocolate and veggies, though. Nothing good comes of it. I will crave it and I will not feel well later.
Well if I'm still hungry after 2000 calories of ice cream (and I always am) that pretty much negates CICO for me.
No because CICO doesn't have anything to do with being hungry. If you eat 2000 calories of ice cream and are not full it's no surprise because that food will not be providing satiety. That doesn't negate CICO. If you are in a deficit at 2000 and eat that much and fight off hunger you lose weight.
You're right, it's satiety. But that still goes to show I should pick my foods carefully because being hungry all the time sucks. I can deal with it intermittently (I actually do IF) but every day is awful!
What about the abstract I posted? No one is going to tear into it, refute it, comment on it, anything?
I'll comment on it - It's a bit poorly written - it's not clear in their method summary whether they actually carried out immunoassays to come up with their conclusions or if this is just a proposal - unfortunately the full text wasn't easily available. But probably their background citations support what you are saying - some correlation of anxiety/dep with IBS patients. But this is also true of most disease states. Being ill sucks and gets us down.
I see what you're saying. That goes with my thoughts on maybe I'm getting cranky and sad when I eat certain foods because I feel crappy and lethargic when I eat certain foods.
I felt crappy and lethargic when I ate a bad diet, and one of the things I noticed when I fixed my diet was that I had far more energy and was less moody.
However, I also feel similar changes when I got from knowingly procrastinating to taking beginning step to deal with any problem, so it's hard to know what of that was physical vs. psychological. (Related: it doesn't surprise me that someone with IBS would have anxiety, but it is caused by something else or simply by everything that goes along with IBS?)
Another confounding variable for me was exercise: I am happier and less moody when I exercise, and it particularly helps with tendencies toward anxiety and depression (which I have).
Now, for me, I do think at least some of it was physical, but that doesn't mean that any foods caused the reaction. I cut out some foods and then added them back in, and my positive changes continued. What I think it was is that I am sensitive to some degree to blood sugar changes, and so fueling myself on a heavily carb diet or meals tends to artificially create a feeling of energy and then a crash, which seemed to go along with more moodiness and an inability to go without food for long. Once I started eating a more balanced diet I seemed not to have those effects (and to some extent was forced to sleep better, although I'm still not good at that). I noticed this in particular on Ash Wednesday soon after I'd changed my diet--normally I had had to fight against being super cranky when I fast but I was absolutely fine and not moody or especially hungry.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
Maybe it's just ad simple as you get cranky because you are hungry. Why look to a specific food to blame it on. You are not the only person that gets cranky when they are hungry.The last time I ate sugary food I was mean as a snake (sorry snakes aren't really mean, I apologize to all the snakes I just slandered) and then I had gluten too, the last two days of it, and I was a vicious and depressed little beast (I apologize to all the beasts I just slandered).
I guess the question is, how are you making this correlations that XX foods makes you mean. Because whether sugar is from fruit or a piece of chocolate, your body will process it similar. And if you associate the fiber as being keying, what happens when you have chocolate and veggies?
Well maybe it isn't the sugar. Maybe it's a preservative or additive. Maybe it's the chocolate (since that is mostly what I go for) Maybe I should eat a tablespoon of pure sugar and see if that does anything to me.
I know what happens if I have chocolate and veggies, though. Nothing good comes of it. I will crave it and I will not feel well later.
Well if I'm still hungry after 2000 calories of ice cream (and I always am) that pretty much negates CICO for me.
No because CICO doesn't have anything to do with being hungry. If you eat 2000 calories of ice cream and are not full it's no surprise because that food will not be providing satiety. That doesn't negate CICO. If you are in a deficit at 2000 and eat that much and fight off hunger you lose weight.
You're right, it's satiety. But that still goes to show I should pick my foods carefully because being hungry all the time sucks. I can deal with it intermittently (I actually do IF) but every day is awful!
What about the abstract I posted? No one is going to tear into it, refute it, comment on it, anything?
I'll comment on it - It's a bit poorly written - it's not clear in their method summary whether they actually carried out immunoassays to come up with their conclusions or if this is just a proposal - unfortunately the full text wasn't easily available. But probably their background citations support what you are saying - some correlation of anxiety/dep with IBS patients. But this is also true of most disease states. Being ill sucks and gets us down.
I see what you're saying. That goes with my thoughts on maybe I'm getting cranky and sad when I eat certain foods because I feel crappy and lethargic when I eat certain foods.
I felt crappy and lethargic when I ate a bad diet, and one of the things I noticed when I fixed my diet was that I had far more energy and was less moody.
However, I also feel similar changes when I got from knowingly procrastinating to taking beginning step to deal with any problem, so it's hard to know what of that was physical vs. psychological. (Related: it doesn't surprise me that someone with IBS would have anxiety, but it is caused by something else or simply by everything that goes along with IBS?)
Another confounding variable for me was exercise: I am happier and less moody when I exercise, and it particularly helps with tendencies toward anxiety and depression (which I have).
Now, for me, I do think at least some of it was physical, but that doesn't mean that any foods caused the reaction. I cut out some foods and then added them back in, and my positive changes continued. What I think it was is that I am sensitive to some degree to blood sugar changes, and so fueling myself on a heavily carb diet or meals tends to artificially create a feeling of energy and then a crash, which seemed to go along with more moodiness and an inability to go without food for long. Once I started eating a more balanced diet I seemed not to have those effects (and to some extent was forced to sleep better, although I'm still not good at that). I noticed this in particular on Ash Wednesday soon after I'd changed my diet--normally I had had to fight against being super cranky when I fast but I was absolutely fine and not moody or especially hungry.
Exercise, even a brisk walk, especially outdoors, definitely helps me, too. And it could be sugar related, since my Dad's side of the family is riddled with diabetes. In fact, I can't think of a blood relative over 40 on that side who doesn't have it.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?
Feel free to read my bio, my personal opinions about healthy food are clearly written there. You can disagree with me if you like.
Your bio does seem to suggest you do obsess about things. Whether it is tea or living with only 100/300 things, it sort of points to a case study in OC behavior. Now, it might very well work for you and that's great but it doesn't in anyway challenge the findings of the research posted.
And the reason for posting that is - as a warning or consideration to others - perhaps, in some cases - restrictive behaviour leads down a spiral that will make someone not succeed. Thinking about it, even if you decide to restrict, might help avoid those pitfalls.
So having interests makes me obsessive? Thinking about consumerism and making decisions based on sustainabilty and health is a bad thing? Someone reading my bio and thinking about my ideas would surely push them over the edge into OCD behavior by your logic. I must eat processed foods or I'm not normal...that's not a normal I want to be.
No, being obsessive about interests makes one obsessive. I know. I have very strong OCD tendencies.
I'm not attacking you, you invited us to read your bio - stating you are obsessive about teas is your own words. It's an observation about the language you express.
The rest of your post is a strawman - I'm not saying that one needs to eat processed foods. Nor am I making any comments about YOUR diet and YOUR 'normality'. Your defensiveness on the subject is unnecessary. Actually - a lot about your description is admirable - eating locally provided foods, lots of fruits and veg, etc., etc. Bravo.
But there is no need to play the defensive victim about your food choices - they are yours and no one here is telling you that you need to eat otherwise.
Sorry, I should know better than to be so defensive. And I should know that when I say I'm "obsessed" with tea not everyone is going to realize that it's a joke
(but I do really love tea!) I appologize for jumping on you and bringing negative thoughts from others on this post and past posts into my response to you. I appreciate your explaination of your comments! 0 -
KombuchaCat wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
What exactly is unhealthy food?
Feel free to read my bio, my personal opinions about healthy food are clearly written there. You can disagree with me if you like.
its not my job to go hunting for your definition ..
if you want to provide it feel free …
Not my job to define my opinion either.
But it is to state your opinion but not define it when asked? So you want others to follow you blindly?
OP wanted opinions about this study. I gave mine. I don't think I need to explain my entire philosophy of life and eating to give my opinion on what the OP asked.0 -
KombuchaCat wrote: »in…to see where this goes…KombuchaCat wrote: »
What is unhealthy food?KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
When you say you eat crap food do you mean feces?
Whatever my definition of healthy food is what I'm eating obviously enables me to express my opinion without being insulting and disgusting.
so you have no definition then?
Pretty much
As I stated before, read my bio, my opinions are there.
Pretty much: I am a member of the Dr. Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) and follow their eating principles.This means I eat whole, nutrient dense, traditional foods." And I have eliminated added sugars and keep fruit to a minimum and only lower fructose fruits like berries and kiwi.
Oh, boy. Now you've done it. The Fuhrmanites are going to come after your blood.
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »KombuchaCat wrote: »in…to see where this goes…KombuchaCat wrote: »
What is unhealthy food?KombuchaCat wrote: »I don't think avoiding unhealthy food is a bad thing. Can some people take it too far and be obsessed? Sure, one can be obsessed with anything, good or bad. Personally I feel great when I eat beautiful, healthful food and I feel *kitten* when I eat crap food. That's enough for me. And I don't think that people being obsessed with being healthy is the problem we need to be focusing on.
When you say you eat crap food do you mean feces?
Whatever my definition of healthy food is what I'm eating obviously enables me to express my opinion without being insulting and disgusting.
so you have no definition then?
Pretty much
As I stated before, read my bio, my opinions are there.
Pretty much: I am a member of the Dr. Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) and follow their eating principles.This means I eat whole, nutrient dense, traditional foods." And I have eliminated added sugars and keep fruit to a minimum and only lower fructose fruits like berries and kiwi.
Oh, boy. Now you've done it. The Fuhrmanites are going to come after your blood.
They can't, the cute kitty pictures will ward them off. They also saved me from full blown OCD after reading the bio.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Tedebearduff wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I would tend to think lack of flexibility leads to binge behaviors. Control snaps, the binge and overeating happens because you swear you'll get back on track and never eat the offending substance again. BUT... while you're eating the forbidden fruit, you shove as much as you can into your face because you're never ever having it. Lather, rinse, repeat.
As for food and mood? I used to think they were connected, now I disagree. My moods are entirely separate from my food. Food can't make me anything except not hungry. I enjoy something that's tasty, I get satisfaction from having cooked something delicious, but food has no control over how I feel.
I spent a while trying to untangle wanting to eat to soothe myself. I guess I'm finally there. I think the idea of a restrictive diet is appealing to people who like control, who feel that if they can just do xyz, everything will fall into place. That sort of thinking does go hand in hand with anxiety. It's not related to the eating, but it's typical thinking of someone with anxiety. The peace of surrender and the surety of their own strength hasn't settled into their bones yet.
Hey this is false, your body has a different hormonal response to foods which can/will effect your mood.
What food can make you angry or depressed? Seriously?
How about the opposite where coffee, teas, St John's Wort, etc. are known serotonin pathway modifier. Which in turn affects mood and hunger signaling?
Or the term "hangry"?
Possibly, I guess. I want that mug.
I don't buy into hangry, but then again. Menopause. It changes the hormone thing a lot, and makes me question how much is just a byproduct of modern living. I don't honestly think hunter-gatherers had the luxury of becoming "hangry".
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I don't know why we need so many terms for eating. Or why so many on a fitness site have a problem with the word 'healthy'. My diet has no name other than 'food'.
I don't give it a name because I it doesn't need a name, but if I were pressed to give it a name I'd call it 'sensible and balanced'.0
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