Sometimes moderation just isn't even worth it..
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CrabNebula wrote: »I'm not the biggest fan of brownies, but mostly had to give up pies except on holidays. I love apple pie covered in ice cream or decadent salted caramel chocolate pie. These are absolutely delicious, but a serving can easily go north of 500-600. I don't say I can never have it, because I do a few times during the year, but I have definitely cut them out of my day to day diet.
Day to day, I have replaced those things with desserts that are all under 250 cals. Low fat ice cream/sorbet, fun sized chocolate bars, Nutella on crisp bread or thinwhich slices. So overall, I don't feel particularly deprived.
I am a 5'5.5" tall woman and my TDEE is 1800-1900 a day depending on which formula you are using. A good slice of that chocolate pie would be nearly 1/3 my caloric intake for the day at maintenance. That ain't no joke.
Yeah I'm 5'5" but my TDEE is 2200, doing the math from the last 7 months, so it could be worse.
It also goes to the unrealistic goals of some women; not every female is built to be 115lbs guys, plenty have the height, frame size and natural tendency towards lean mass to make 150lbs/140lbs a reasonable goal that will allow enough eating to make staying around a maintenance number less of a chore.
If you're constantly trying to eat like under 1500Kcals, you are probably (with obvious exceptions for petite people) going to be fkn miserable all the time.
Haha I like you. My thought exactly. Ice cream, chocolate and brownie >>> being 18% body fat. Heck, even 20. I'm pretty happy at 22 if it means I don't have to give them up.0 -
CrabNebula wrote: »
I am a 5'5.5" tall woman and my TDEE is 1800-1900 a day depending on which formula you are using. A good slice of that chocolate pie would be nearly 1/3 my caloric intake for the day at maintenance. That ain't no joke.
Yeah I'm 5'5" but my TDEE is 2200, doing the math from the last 7 months, so it could be worse.
What I get for having a job where I basically just sit, barely moving for 8 hours a day and then another two hours a day in the car, sitting. During my lunches, I do incline treadmill (usually something like 9% @ 4MPH) and rowing (5-6k) for 30-45 minutes. If I have time after dinner, I'll walk another 3 miles outside. On the weekends, I do a lot of shopping or hiking, if the weather cooperates. But I am not super physically active.0 -
CrabNebula wrote: »CrabNebula wrote: »
I am a 5'5.5" tall woman and my TDEE is 1800-1900 a day depending on which formula you are using. A good slice of that chocolate pie would be nearly 1/3 my caloric intake for the day at maintenance. That ain't no joke.
Yeah I'm 5'5" but my TDEE is 2200, doing the math from the last 7 months, so it could be worse.
What I get for having a job where I basically just sit, barely moving for 8 hours a day and then another two hours a day in the car, sitting. During my lunches, I do incline treadmill (usually something like 9% @ 4MPH) and rowing (5-6k) for 30-45 minutes. If I have time after dinner, I'll walk another 3 miles outside. On the weekends, I do a lot of shopping or hiking, if the weather cooperates. But I am not super physically active.
I'm less active than you, honestly... but I lift weights, maybe it helps? And I guess I'm up a lot during the day, even if it's just to do laundry... I'm 133 pounds.0 -
Yeah, I don't lift. I know I need to, but I'm lazy about it. I find cardio so much more fun, so hard to get away from it. I am 135.0
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I feel the same way, but only about certain foods like brownies. A serving (preferably two) of ice cream for a similar or slightly larger amount of calories seems more worth it to me. I can eat a brownie in like 3 bites.
I do practice moderation, or I make room for the whole thing. But, I also have a few "substitutes" that I truly ENJOY when I'm in the mood for high volume food consumption.0 -
I remind myself that nothing tastes as good as being fit feels.0
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EarlyBirdBex wrote: »I remind myself that nothing tastes as good as being fit feels.
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hellcaterika wrote: »I'm the same way, I live for these Flaming Hot Cheetos here in the U.S. but when I read the calories I think " I have to run how long to burn this off?" Not worth it for sure! A few years back when I lost weight it got to the point where I would steal a chip off someone and I DIDN'T even like the fake cheese, processed taste anymore. Your body really does get use to eating better and all the fake, high calorie stuff tastes bad. Do you have access to fiber brownies? There's one brand, Fiber One, that has 90 cal fiber brownies and satisfies me when I need a brownie.
I love that this happens, our bodies are simply awesome! Pizza starts to taste too greasy and salty, sweets way to sweet. So having a bite or a tiny piece really is possible. Sometimes....
If I'm away from something for quite awhile and I think, hm...this might be good.. I can tell right off the bat if it's a craving from 'the old days' or an emotional craving etc.
Lovin this thread because it's good to not feel like the only one making an either or decision, is it worth it, or not. Been interesting reading the input of others on what's worth it even with an extra workout lol
But now by the power of suggestion I've sorta got a craving for brownies now. I'm going through the files in my brain to decide the best ones I've ever had and the crappier ones... is it worth is... or not... and that's what's going through my brain. lol 0 -
cheshirecatastrophe wrote: »
Not when you want a fudgy gooey brownie.
Which is why you should allow yourself to have one every now and then. I think this is the true definition of "moderation". I've had a lot more success with occasionally allowing myself to have the full serving of the "bad" foods I want rather than allowing myself little bits and pieces of it.
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970Mikaela1 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Why would that not be moderation?
I just don't think everyone is using the word the same way. (assuming this is a reply to my question).
My version of moderation is once I'm close to my protein and fat macro I can have the other 1200 calories of mderated ice cream or brownies or whatever.
The other 1200?? wow. Lucky YOU!0 -
Haven't read above me so sorry if repeating. I just try not to bring low-value food into the house. If I want a brownie or carrot cake , I have to leave the house, go to a cafe, buy a single portion (yes it costs a bit more, ok), and sit down at a table. No eating from a bag at home or while on the go. No torturing myself with huge portions in the fridge. Same for a slice of pizza. Have to leave the house, have to sit down.
I don't make fake versions of treats, I find they disappoint. I make something else that tastes good for what it is. Sweet treat = fresh cut apple browned in a bit of butter with oatmeal, or berries and vanilla Greek yogurt, or grapes with cottage cheese. I know people can overeat on those, but I find I don't want to because of their macro content (fiber mostly).0 -
Or yeah, burn it off, as Ana said. You can't outrun yadda yadda but it's nice to have it in your pocket0
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I read this wonderful blog post today on this very subject. It might be worth a read. I came away with a more positive way of approaching these crossroads: http://zenhabits.net/mmm-ouch/0
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Krisstastic wrote: »I feel this way about spaghetti.. 85g of spaghetti is a tease for 310 calories
This was brought up in another thread, others said this too about 85g of pasta... I used to eat more than that, and now I average ~50g for a meal/serving. I don't find this to be a small serving either, at least not when it's cooked since it about doubles in size. Then adding cheese/sauce, veggies, meat or poultry or fish.... omg I totally want to make myself some macaroni now lol.
Yeah pasta s great and I have it often, but I've found boiled potatoes go longer for less. I sometimes boil a couple of potatoes with skin and make a mash of half a cup + a little butter and yogurt for a bunch of meals over two days. Similar yum factor (for me anyway) for way fewer cals0 -
Usually when I feel like one serving won't satisfy me that means there's something else going on, and it has nothing to do with the food.0
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queen_of_disaster wrote: »Usually when I feel like one serving won't satisfy me that means there's something else going on, and it has nothing to do with the food.
Yeah for me it's called hormones, lol.0 -
queen_of_disaster wrote: »Usually when I feel like one serving won't satisfy me that means there's something else going on, and it has nothing to do with the food.
Yeah for me it's called hormones, lol.
Heh. That made me smile.0 -
If I want a brownie or carrot cake , I have to leave the house, go to a cafe, buy a single portion (yes it costs a bit more, ok), and sit down at a table.
The problem with this kind of thing is that usually a brownie you'd buy at a café or restaurant (let alone a carrot cake) is going to be a bigger serving and more calories (and unknown calories) vs. one you might make at home.
I have baked goods rarely because I am not going to bake a bunch of sweets I don't want to eat (so I need an event, as someone else said, or a holiday, or to bring it into work), but I'd far rather eat something I baked myself.No eating from a bag at home or while on the go.
I agree with no on the go, when possible. I don't tend to overeat when on the go, but I don't like feeling like I don't appreciate my food. (I don't really like anything that comes in a bag, so that's not something I need a rule about. I do think even at home one important thing is to portion stuff out. No eating the equivalent of out of the bag, of course.)Same for a slice of pizza.
The problem with pizza is leftovers. I used to always get extra so I could have lots of them. Now I tend to get pizza if the person I'm getting it with will take the leftovers.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »If I want a brownie or carrot cake , I have to leave the house, go to a cafe, buy a single portion (yes it costs a bit more, ok), and sit down at a table.
The problem with this kind of thing is that usually a brownie you'd buy at a café or restaurant (let alone a carrot cake) is going to be a bigger serving and more calories (and unknown calories) vs. one you might make at home.
I have baked goods rarely because I am not going to bake a bunch of sweets I don't want to eat (so I need an event, as someone else said, or a holiday, or to bring it into work), but I'd far rather eat something I baked myself.No eating from a bag at home or while on the go.
I agree with no on the go, when possible. I don't tend to overeat when on the go, but I don't like feeling like I don't appreciate my food. (I don't really like anything that comes in a bag, so that's not something I need a rule about. I do think even at home one important thing is to portion stuff out. No eating the equivalent of out of the bag, of course.)Same for a slice of pizza.
The problem with pizza is leftovers. I used to always get extra so I could have lots of them. Now I tend to get pizza if the person I'm getting it with will take the leftovers.
Eh the problem with everything is leftovers. I don't even bake anymore because then we end up with a lot of extra stuff that I'm going to end up eating. I'm better off buying a single portion somewhere by far.0 -
My problem is I really only like home made baked goods. So I will have to make my own and portion it out. I can't stand most store bought goodies with the exception of some cookies (oreos,Keebler grasshopper which are just like girl scout thin mints, and a couple others.) So I cannot go out and enjoy a brownie at a shop. About the only dessert I like "out" is Tiramasu
(??? No idea how many calories lol way worse than a brownie I bet ) or creme brulee...not a common offering...well the coffee shop I go to has a great cappuccino muffin which I split with my friend...so there's that.
I posted a link to an 82 calorie (2"x2") brownie recipe from Jillian Michaels. I hate most fake imitations but this sounds good. I'm making it tonight and will report if it's good or not....no way am I going to try black bean brownies..they seem very wrong. Lol0 -
Eh the problem with everything is leftovers. I don't even bake anymore because then we end up with a lot of extra stuff that I'm going to end up eating. I'm better off buying a single portion somewhere by far.
I just usually stick to things where the leftovers don't drive me crazy (like when they might go to waste). I can have 6 kinds of ice cream in my freezer and eat a serving a night (or twice a week, if the calories aren't allowing it that week). But leftover pie is FAR harder for me. I actually managed to not finish my apple-cranberry crisp leftovers post-Thanksgiving, which is unheard-of for me, but it's not something I can count on (and besides wasting baked goods makes me sad, sigh).0 -
I know that there have been times when I crave chocolate, I don't keep it in the house. I have been known to drive to the store and walk up and down the candy aisle for several minutes just to leave the store with nothing. I think the smell satisfied my craving. Other times I find it is better to eat a small portion of whatever it is I am craving and get it out of my system, otherwise I end up eating a dozen doughnuts instead of just one. I just plan for it within my daily calorie allowance and go from there. And one really good, decadent chocolate is much more satisfying than a gob of cheap chocolate.0
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I actually was given a tiny (4.5 g) chocolate today (Dolfin Noir Orange) when I bought lunch. It was funny since I'd looked at the chocolates (this place has tons of chocolate of all sorts in single serving as well as larger sizes), and I'd made the decision that I didn't need one and then the guy ringing me up said "we are giving away free chocolates, want one?" and I was delighted. That's a nice kind of moderation!0
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Sometimes it's just better to eat the brownie, and not obsess about it. That way you don't end up losing your mind and binging on a whole pan of them later.0
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I saw a truffle today that was about the size of a dollar's worth of quarters. Or maybe only 75 cents. 100 calories. Per truffle.0
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My problem is I really only like home made baked goods. So I will have to make my own and portion it out. I can't stand most store bought goodies with the exception of some cookies (oreos,Keebler grasshopper which are just like girl scout thin mints, and a couple others.) So I cannot go out and enjoy a brownie at a shop. About the only dessert I like "out" is Tiramasu
(??? No idea how many calories lol way worse than a brownie I bet ) or creme brulee...not a common offering...well the coffee shop I go to has a great cappuccino muffin which I split with my friend...so there's that.
I posted a link to an 82 calorie (2"x2") brownie recipe from Jillian Michaels. I hate most fake imitations but this sounds good. I'm making it tonight and will report if it's good or not....no way am I going to try black bean brownies..they seem very wrong. Lol
Have you considered mini-pans? I have a few mini bundt pans that take about 1/5 the batter of a regular pan. I have a few recipes that I can reduce to 20% without being too awkward (sometimes there's part of an egg leftover to add to a salad or something).0 -
This is where pre-logging comes in handy.0
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100 calories brownies (or less if you don't add the nuts!) http://www.thelondoner.me/2013/04/100-cal-chocofudge-brownies.html
Might try those with sugar... I hate Truvia. I'd have to buy yogurt though... I've been scared of trying the bean brownies too... Maybe I'll bite the bullet one of these days.
Cheesecake is worth it though, with all the fat from the cream cheese in there it's actually filling. Same for pizza, or burgers etc... Brownies? Not so much
But for now the craving is actually gone, thankfully... but we'll see what the week end brings. I haven't managed to keep a big deficit so far this week though so I need to try not to overdo it...
I hate Truvia and the like too. Tastes awful to me.
I am not sure, but you might be able to make the 1-2-3 Microwave cake work, if you add frosting. The basic recipe is about 80 calories.
Mix one box dry angel food cake mix with one box dry any flavor cake mix and store in plastic container with a lid.
Scoop 3 Tablespoons of the mixture into a coffee mug, stir in 2 Tablespoons water and microwave for 1 minute.
If you choose chocolate, you can add 1 teaspoon (or more) chocolate chips to the mixture in the mug. Frost it if you want to add more calories, or put more chips on top to melt.
I've only tasted the chocolate and the white cake mix varieties. Someone I know did a trial run and I got to taste it. I think the white cake would be good with strawberries.
You can probably get pretty satisfied with about 3 of these (240 cals) plus some additional calories to make up the frosting/topping.
They are light and fluffy though, NOT dense like brownies. About 4 or 5 bucks down the drain if you don't like it. Oh, and I figure it's "safer" having the dry mix on hand where you just cook up one serving (or more) at a time instead of baking an entire cake and negotiating with yourself!
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lemurcat12 wrote: »If I want a brownie or carrot cake , I have to leave the house, go to a cafe, buy a single portion (yes it costs a bit more, ok), and sit down at a table.
The problem with this kind of thing is that usually a brownie you'd buy at a café or restaurant (let alone a carrot cake) is going to be a bigger serving and more calories (and unknown calories) vs. one you might make at home.
I have baked goods rarely because I am not going to bake a bunch of sweets I don't want to eat (so I need an event, as someone else said, or a holiday, or to bring it into work), but I'd far rather eat something I baked myself.No eating from a bag at home or while on the go.
I agree with no on the go, when possible. I don't tend to overeat when on the go, but I don't like feeling like I don't appreciate my food. (I don't really like anything that comes in a bag, so that's not something I need a rule about. I do think even at home one important thing is to portion stuff out. No eating the equivalent of out of the bag, of course.)Same for a slice of pizza.
The problem with pizza is leftovers. I used to always get extra so I could have lots of them. Now I tend to get pizza if the person I'm getting it with will take the leftovers.
For pizza, I just get a walk-in slice. It's not gourmet cuisine, but I sit to eat it, so I'm cuing to myself that it's a conscious choice, a special case, the portion is deliberate, etc.
For the brownie or carrot cake, I get the mini sized ones available at my local cafe. They're half the size or less. Or, if I get a full-sized one, I eat half and save the other chunk for later. (Another thing I get, btw and fyi, is oat date bars or whatever they're called. Yum.) Everyone's different, I guess. I know myself. If I bake brownies or cake at home, there's no way I'm going to bed without a second piece.0 -
Every now and then just enjoy eating whatever you want. Eat up to your maintenance or even go over a bit. Doing this even twice a month shouldn't knock you so far off track. Are you really going to live the rest of your life not enjoying brownies and pizza?
I guess I can afford it cause im not an athlete or preparing for a sculpting contest.0
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