Can you really eat a burger?
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Right, so was I. Saying it's not great to use certain restriction tactics, which is what I think ana was talking about, is different than saying everyone has to eat DingDongs, whether they like them or not.
Still not my point. You seem to be suggesting that restrictions you don't agree with would be bad for everyone. If I've misinterpreted, I apologize. If not, I disagree.
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that achieving a restriction by convincing yourself of non-factual or untrue things (like "eating that burger will make me FAT" or "a burger is BAD") are generally ways of restricting foods that lead to shame and other bad attitudes toward food that for many people result in dysfunctional relationships. That's a separate issue from whether restrictions (as I did myself in January toward added sugar, for example) can sometimes be helpful to a particular person. IMO, what matters is that the basis for the restriction be more logical (or at least practical) and not based on scare tactics. This has nothing to do with whether a particular restriction would make sense for me--that's going to be individual.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Right, so was I. Saying it's not great to use certain restriction tactics, which is what I think ana was talking about, is different than saying everyone has to eat DingDongs, whether they like them or not.
Still not my point. You seem to be suggesting that restrictions you don't agree with would be bad for everyone. If I've misinterpreted, I apologize. If not, I disagree.
I'm thinking Lemurcat is more referring to the anxiety caused by the restriction. It can be fine for some people, but if the belief in the restriction crosses a line and causes anxiety about food decisions, then it might not be the best way to live.
Personally, I see no point in arbitrary restrictions, but others have reasons behind those same restrictions (making them not arbitrary for that individual), so more power to them.
Exactly.
Not sure where "exactly" comes in, as auddii seems to have understood what I was saying (which was not that restrictions are bad in themselves, but that encouraging anxiety or dysfunctional views about food are bad).0 -
herrspoons wrote: »I could eat a Big Mac every day for dinner and still lose weight.
Actually, I did this before, except it was a Whopper. BK rules.
Whoppers are way > than Big Macs...
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Right, so was I. Saying it's not great to use certain restriction tactics, which is what I think ana was talking about, is different than saying everyone has to eat DingDongs, whether they like them or not.
Still not my point. You seem to be suggesting that restrictions you don't agree with would be bad for everyone. If I've misinterpreted, I apologize. If not, I disagree.
I'm thinking Lemurcat is more referring to the anxiety caused by the restriction. It can be fine for some people, but if the belief in the restriction crosses a line and causes anxiety about food decisions, then it might not be the best way to live.
Personally, I see no point in arbitrary restrictions, but others have reasons behind those same restrictions (making them not arbitrary for that individual), so more power to them.
Exactly.
Not sure where "exactly" comes in, as auddii seems to have understood what I was saying (which was not that restrictions are bad in themselves, but that encouraging anxiety or dysfunctional views about food are bad).
Sorry, I meant exactly this: Personally, I see no point in arbitrary restrictions, but others have reasons behind those same restrictions (making them not arbitrary for that individual), so more power to them.
What you did/do only matters for you. What makes you binge only matters for you. What you feel is restrictive only matters for you.
And because I don't want a warning for hijacking a thread, that's the last I'll say on this matter. Either you understand my point or you don't. Best of luck to you either way.0 -
AmazonMayan wrote: »That's one of the things I have only occasionally because of number of calories. Make it a quality burger. Know the calories. Enjoy
Oh and yes anything if it fits.....although I do feel better overall physically if I mostly eat really nutritious food and keep high calorie/less nutritious items in moderation
Quality over quantity.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Right, so was I. Saying it's not great to use certain restriction tactics, which is what I think ana was talking about, is different than saying everyone has to eat DingDongs, whether they like them or not.
Still not my point. You seem to be suggesting that restrictions you don't agree with would be bad for everyone. If I've misinterpreted, I apologize. If not, I disagree.
I'm thinking Lemurcat is more referring to the anxiety caused by the restriction. It can be fine for some people, but if the belief in the restriction crosses a line and causes anxiety about food decisions, then it might not be the best way to live.
Personally, I see no point in arbitrary restrictions, but others have reasons behind those same restrictions (making them not arbitrary for that individual), so more power to them.
Exactly.
Not sure where "exactly" comes in, as auddii seems to have understood what I was saying (which was not that restrictions are bad in themselves, but that encouraging anxiety or dysfunctional views about food are bad).
Sorry, I meant exactly this: Personally, I see no point in arbitrary restrictions, but others have reasons behind those same restrictions (making them not arbitrary for that individual), so more power to them.
What you did/do only matters for you. What makes you binge only matters for you. What you feel is restrictive only matters for you.
And because I don't want a warning for hijacking a thread, that's the last I'll say on this matter. Either you understand my point or you don't. Best of luck to you either way.
LOL oh the irony....0 -
I eat burgers all the time. I've lost 85 pounds. I have cut NOTHING from my menu. I just plan for it now.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
So what if they want to eliminate canned and pickled vegetables? If they are happy doing that, where is the harm?
As I said above, I don't care what people personally decide to eliminate. It's promoting it to others that I'm addressing. I understand you don't think the poster was doing that, I disagree. She was specifically saying that the bodies of others would feel better if they eliminated "chemicals" (such as those used to preserve food and enhance flavor) and canned foods from the diet.
I didn't read that, but will take your word for it because I don't care enough to go back and read through pages of responses and you don't seem inclined to quote it.
But again, how does her belief about what her or your or anyone's body will feel on a certain diet make her diet more restrictive for her?
I don't think I made any statements about how restrictive her diet is to her (although it may be worth noting that she herself doesn't meet most of her self-held requirements for a "clean" diet, even those that are possible). Another person brought up that trying to adhere to "clean eating" would feel restrictive to her and I don't disagree with her personal experience.
I don't doubt that some people could eliminate all food that is preserved or contains any sort of flavor enhancement from their diet and not feel much of a sense of restriction, although I don't know if most people coming to this site for initial help/information with weight loss and/or maintaining would fit in that category. I don't think eliminating chemicals from the diet is possible at all, so I can't speak as to what level of restriction someone might feel while doing that.
The point is: if people promote these goals to others as the way to feel better, should other users feel free to call them out on it? I think the answer is yes.
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I had a piece of cake this weekend and I put on 45lbs overnight...I KID, I KID!!!! Of course you can if it fits in the CICO equation. I personally like mine with a laughing cow cheese wedge on it and BBQ sauce.0
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RockstarWilson wrote: »Where people go overboard is taking in too many macros at once. Sure, have that 800 calorie burger, but if you are hungry in 4 hours, and you honor that, then where did that food go? Did it get used, or stored? In 4 hours, you would have to be very busy or vety overweight, bc bmr awake is usually in the 100-150 per hour range for people that are within 100 lbs overweight. So, if you are eating again, and the body hasnt fully metabolized that burger, that is where the burger will make you more overweight. It is why chips, hotdogs, ice cream, and soda make people overweight. They just have too much of it and it doesnt get metabolized and used as energy.
No, this is absolutely wrong. If you burn more than you consume, you will lose weight. It doesn't matter where the calories come from (for weight loss anyway) or when.0 -
My boyfriend and I made burgers the other day with ground beef (full fat, not lean) and topped it with homemade guacamole, spicy pico de gallo, cilantro and red onion. It was delicious. Also made a side of fries baked in rapeseed oil. Granted, it took up a lot of my calories for the day, but with lighter dinner, it did fit in my macros.
I'm not a big burger person myself, but I love linguine bolognese, which I'll often have for one meal a day for a whole week or two, and that easily fits in my macros. I have a decent sized bowl too.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Right, so was I. Saying it's not great to use certain restriction tactics, which is what I think ana was talking about, is different than saying everyone has to eat DingDongs, whether they like them or not.
Still not my point. You seem to be suggesting that restrictions you don't agree with would be bad for everyone. If I've misinterpreted, I apologize. If not, I disagree.
I'm thinking Lemurcat is more referring to the anxiety caused by the restriction. It can be fine for some people, but if the belief in the restriction crosses a line and causes anxiety about food decisions, then it might not be the best way to live.
Personally, I see no point in arbitrary restrictions, but others have reasons behind those same restrictions (making them not arbitrary for that individual), so more power to them.
Exactly.
Not sure where "exactly" comes in, as auddii seems to have understood what I was saying (which was not that restrictions are bad in themselves, but that encouraging anxiety or dysfunctional views about food are bad).
Sorry, I meant exactly this: Personally, I see no point in arbitrary restrictions, but others have reasons behind those same restrictions (making them not arbitrary for that individual), so more power to them.
No disagreement. I said nothing to the contrary.What you did/do only matters for you.
I sometimes wonder if you read what you respond to. I have not suggested that anyone do what I do or don't do something because I don't. I think low carb works for many people, although it wouldn't work for me. NEVER have I said that what I do is what others should do. In fact, I tend to focus on whole foods and so on and as I said upthread that's a matter of taste and pretending it's not that that it's a prescription for everyone (as the one poster did) is what I'm objecting to.What makes you binge only matters for you.
I don't binge. It's not a worry for me. However, I see a LOT of dysfunctional relationships with food and I think--as ana was saying--that labeling food as good and bad and approaching it in a non-logical, emotional way isn't, ultimately, helpful. If you have reasons for a particular restriction, that's different, obviously. I'm not anti restriction. I'm anti restrictions based on telling yourself lies about a food to try and make yourself afraid of or unlikely to want a food that you secretly desire, as I think that's a great way to create a disordered relationship and, for people inclined to binge, to binge. You see that all over MFP, and I've seen it off line.What you feel is restrictive only matters for you.
Nothing I've said is about what I think is restrictive.
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"lemurcat12 wrote: »Nothing I've said is about what I think is restrictive.
And yet restricition was the only thing I was discussing.![:\](https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »IN for bacon cheeseburgers!
I asked my husband to bring home bacon and ground beef tonight so we can have exactly this for supper. Yum.
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Yes, but from an overall health (and performance!) standpoint there's a big difference between occasionally including a burger in your meal plan and eating nothing but burgers and cupcakes all the time.
Burgers are not inherently evil. Burgers have protein and fat and carbs, all of which you need in some degree. You can fit it in with reasonably careful management.
On the flip side, eating kale, quinoa, black beans and sweet potatoes will not make you immortal. Eat them if you like them, and they can be among the many great tools for constructing the basis of a healthy meal plan. But they're not freakin' magic.
You don't get extra credit for eliminating pleasure from your diet or only eating punishment food.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I could eat a Big Mac every day for dinner and still lose weight.
Actually, I did this before, except it was a Whopper. BK rules.
Whoppers are way > than Big Macs...
Word.
i have never heard of people genuinely liking BK over McDs. I'm not a burger fan in general, but McD fries and shakes trump BK's any day of the week.0 -
Yes. But I think its important to think of treats as treats. A cheeseburger is a treat and shouldn't be had every day. Same for other similar foods.
A cheeseburger isn't a treat. It's just a piece of food. One that's composed of certain micro and macro-nutrients. That then contributes towards the micro/macro balance and calorific content of your overall diet.
Take the emotion out of it people. It's just food.
Just make it tasty, that's all I ask...
It's not emotion. I have no emotional issue with food. I tend to stick to whole foods, but moderation is my overall philosophy. Back to the burger.... It is a treat as much as a milkshake is, i.e., especially a fast food burger, is high in calories. Most people cannot have one every day and lose or maintain their weight. They just don't have the calories for it, at least not if they want to maintain good nutrition. I wish folks on here would recognize that not everyone has a 3000 calorie TDEE to play with.0 -
It's not emotion. I have no emotional issue with food. I tend to stick to whole foods, but moderation is my overall philosophy. Back to the burger.... It is a treat as much as a milkshake is, i.e., especially a fast food burger, is high in calories. Most people cannot have one every day and lose or maintain their weight. They just don't have the calories for it, at least not if they want to maintain good nutrition. I wish folks on here would recognize that not everyone has a 3000 calorie TDEE to play with.
A McDonald's hamburger has, according to their online information, 240 calories. Even for those on the lower end of the calorie spectrum, a basic burger could probably fit in regularly. As to how it would impact your nutrition, I don't know.
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Well, now I want a burger.0
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Yes. But I think its important to think of treats as treats. A cheeseburger is a treat and shouldn't be had every day. Same for other similar foods.
A cheeseburger isn't a treat. It's just a piece of food. One that's composed of certain micro and macro-nutrients. That then contributes towards the micro/macro balance and calorific content of your overall diet.
Take the emotion out of it people. It's just food.
Just make it tasty, that's all I ask...
It's not emotion. I have no emotional issue with food. I tend to stick to whole foods, but moderation is my overall philosophy. Back to the burger.... It is a treat as much as a milkshake is, i.e., especially a fast food burger, is high in calories. Most people cannot have one every day and lose or maintain their weight. They just don't have the calories for it, at least not if they want to maintain good nutrition. I wish folks on here would recognize that not everyone has a 3000 calorie TDEE to play with.
who said that everyone has a 3000 calorie TDEE?
you can get a Wendy's single and it come in at 400 calories, that is hardly "breaking the bank" ...OR just make your own and they come in at 300 calories depending on what kind of meat and toppings you choose...
so in your world a burger = a milkshake...?
totally legit...0 -
If you're on a roll, OP, which it sounds like you are, then maybe consider whether this would disrupt all the goodness you have going. Everyone is right about calories in and calories out, no doubt, but there is also a lot of good research out there supporting the idea that big changes are easier to make than small. For me personally, that is the case with some foods. Easier on my body and mind to just not eat them. To each their own, but that burger needs to fit more than just your calories - it needs to fit in with the healthy and motivated mindset you are clearly using. Best wishes!0
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janejellyroll wrote: »
It's not emotion. I have no emotional issue with food. I tend to stick to whole foods, but moderation is my overall philosophy. Back to the burger.... It is a treat as much as a milkshake is, i.e., especially a fast food burger, is high in calories. Most people cannot have one every day and lose or maintain their weight. They just don't have the calories for it, at least not if they want to maintain good nutrition. I wish folks on here would recognize that not everyone has a 3000 calorie TDEE to play with.
A McDonald's hamburger has, according to their online information, 240 calories. Even for those on the lower end of the calorie spectrum, a basic burger could probably fit in regularly. As to how it would impact your nutrition, I don't know.
it would depend on what you do with the rest of your day ...0 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »IN for bacon cheeseburgers!
I asked my husband to bring home bacon and ground beef tonight so we can have exactly this for supper. Yum.
What time shall I be there? I'll bring the cheesecake!0 -
I eat red robin's turkey burger twice a month, YUM!0
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If you're on a roll, OP, which it sounds like you are, then maybe consider whether this would disrupt all the goodness you have going. Everyone is right about calories in and calories out, no doubt, but there is also a lot of good research out there supporting the idea that big changes are easier to make than small. For me personally, that is the case with some foods. Easier on my body and mind to just not eat them. To each their own, but that burger needs to fit more than just your calories - it needs to fit in with the healthy and motivated mindset you are clearly using. Best wishes!
lol what???
maybe OP needs to adjust his mindset and realize that the whole "good" "bad" food mindset is going to end up sabotaging him in the long run. If he views burgers as "bad" and never eats them what happens when he gives in to them? Why not just realize they are neither good or bad and can be incorporated into an overall diet that meets ones dietary goals...0 -
michellemybelll wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I could eat a Big Mac every day for dinner and still lose weight.
Actually, I did this before, except it was a Whopper. BK rules.
Whoppers are way > than Big Macs...
Word.
i have never heard of people genuinely liking BK over McDs. I'm not a burger fan in general, but McD fries and shakes trump BK's any day of the week.
McD fries used to be better than they are now. Now they seem flat and relatively tasteless to me. I have not enjoyed the last several orders of fries I got from McD's - in fact I only ate a few then threw the rest out.
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »IN for bacon cheeseburgers!
I asked my husband to bring home bacon and ground beef tonight so we can have exactly this for supper. Yum.
What time shall I be there? I'll bring the cheesecake!
Oh, now you did it....bacon cheeseburgers AND cheesecake!! Who will bring the wine???
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The fries are better at McD's but a WHOPPER is the bomb!michellemybelll wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I could eat a Big Mac every day for dinner and still lose weight.
Actually, I did this before, except it was a Whopper. BK rules.
Whoppers are way > than Big Macs...
Word.
i have never heard of people genuinely liking BK over McDs. I'm not a burger fan in general, but McD fries and shakes trump BK's any day of the week.
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »
The fries are better at McD's but a WHOPPER is the bomb!michellemybelll wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I could eat a Big Mac every day for dinner and still lose weight.
Actually, I did this before, except it was a Whopper. BK rules.
Whoppers are way > than Big Macs...
Word.
i have never heard of people genuinely liking BK over McDs. I'm not a burger fan in general, but McD fries and shakes trump BK's any day of the week.
man, I have not been to BK in forever...
we have a place about five minutes from my house in downtwon area that is a "build your own burger" joint and I always go there ...0
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