Low carb dieters!
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who knows, I don't have a metabolic chamber.
Sometimes I don't lose weight when I appear to eat less than what is predicted for my energy consumption.
Kevin D Hall, high priest of CICO mathematics, recently published work that showed quite different outcomes from the same 800 calorie restriction in the same people.0 -
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who knows, I don't have a metabolic chamber.
its cool you don't want to answer the question that is fine…just keep on keep on …
I mean its accepted fact that you gain in a surplus and lose in a deficit, but I guess you disagree? yea, I know your not a metabolic chamber, I get it….
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I'm sure a retrospective energy and mass balance in steady state will balance, I just have no way of knowing if I'm in a surplus or a deficit currently.
If you sign up as a devout believer in CICO then you have no alternative but to see weight loss as "a deficit", but you don't know that to be the case. You're just restating your belief. Likewise when some well meaning and sincere person says they eat 1200 calories and don't lose weight you have no alternative but to say they are lying and must be eating more. That's fine, belief systems are what they are.
I'm just a bit more flexible, but I am 100% certain that you were incorrect in your assertion that "if you are low carb you are low calorie".0 -
I'm sure a retrospective energy and mass balance in steady state will balance, I just have no way of knowing if I'm in a surplus or a deficit currently.
If you sign up as a devout believer in CICO then you have no alternative but to see weight loss as "a deficit", but you don't know that to be the case. You're just restating your belief. Likewise when some well meaning and sincere person says they eat 1200 calories and don't lose weight you have no alternative but to say they are lying and must be eating more. That's fine, belief systems are what they are.
I'm just a bit more flexible, but I am 100% certain that you were incorrect in your assertion that "if you are low carb you are low calorie".
I know when I eat about 3100 calories day I gain about a pound per week, and when I eat about 2250 calories a day I lose a pound per week …
if you are so unsure why don't you figure out your TDEE and eat 500 calories a day over that for three months and see what happens?0 -
I know when I eat about 3100 calories day I gain about a pound per week, and when I eat about 2250 calories a day I lose a pound per week …
I'm pleased you are that repeatable and controlled.if you are so unsure why don't you figure out your TDEE and eat 500 calories a day over that for three months and see what happens?
I could guesstimate my TDEE and eat 500 calories a day more, but I don't want to put on 12 pounds so that's why I wouldn't do that. Especially as I can eat less than my guesstimated TDEE and not lose weight. Plus I'm not that bothered to do that n=1 experiment I'll just read someone else's instead preferably with a bigger sample size.
Doing an extra 1600 calories a night of parcel handling (HRM) for 6 weeks and eating 500-600 calories per night shift didn't affect my weight.
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I know when I eat about 3100 calories day I gain about a pound per week, and when I eat about 2250 calories a day I lose a pound per week …
I'm pleased you are that repeatable and controlled.if you are so unsure why don't you figure out your TDEE and eat 500 calories a day over that for three months and see what happens?
I could guesstimate my TDEE and eat 500 calories a day more, but I don't want to put on 12 pounds so that's why I wouldn't do that. Especially as I can eat less than my guesstimated TDEE and not lose weight. Plus I'm not that bothered to do that n=1 experiment I'll just read someone else's instead preferably with a bigger sample size.
Doing an extra 1600 calories a night of parcel handling (HRM) for 6 weeks and eating 500-600 calories per night shift didn't affect my weight.
not repeatable or controlled…I just have enough to data to know where I gain, maintain, and lose.
You say that you are not sure about CICO but then you say you don't want to eat 500 over maintenance because you don't want to gain 12 pounds…isn't that CICO????0 -
jenjay8045 wrote: »jennibean40 wrote: »Not at all.. i just know my results. And there are multiple studies, diets, and doctors who agree low carb diets can be more effective than low calorie diets. I could maintain my carb count and increase my calorie count.. and continue to lose weight at the level i have been. If you do some research you will find that the clean eating diets, while not marketed as low carb.. boast a MUCH lower carb count than a basic low calorie diet. It comes down to the foods you choose. Most carbs are bad for your body. Yes you need some carbs. This is known. And in response to "hard to maintain" i disagree... not any harder than a low calorie dieter who wants icecream. There is a vast array of foods you can eat and on a maintenance low carb diet you can still consume many regular foods. Ps every diet sheds water weight at first.
You will find nothing but haters and trash talkers no matter how much research you provide them with. I know a gentleman who weighed 600 pounds less than 6 months ago, but since starting aketo diet he has lost over a 150 pounds.......but he must be doing it wrong...because he doesnt count calories.. I guess he shouldnt be losing any weight...
Yes, that's exactly what everyone here is saying.
Talk about a straw man argument. *SMH*
The OP said that she eats the same amount of calories high carb as low carb and could not lose weight until she went low carb. People said that was not true. How many calories you eat determine how much weight you lose or gain, and what kind of food you eat does not matter for weight loss beyond personal preference and what keeps you satiated (which would allow you to remain in a deficit).
Then craziness happened.
Yes, I know all of this. That's why I said she was incorrect in her assessment of the people replying. Hence, straw man argument.
Sorry, my sarcasm meter was off for the first sentence.
LOL I figured.
It happens. Next time I will use my emotive asterisks.0 -
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I would say that the "old school" (Eaton, Konner, Cordain) advocates moderate carbs. Which book were you following, mamapeach?mamapeach910 wrote: »And this was old school paleo, which was low carb.
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You could check into the Paleo diet. Read a book about it or Google it. If you want low carbs and healthy, definitely this will be the way to go.0
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stevencloser wrote: »Correct me if I'm wrong, I might be getting my quacks mixed up, but doesn't Taubes suggest that cico doesn't work and that it's sugar that makes people fat?
No, that would be Lustig who is the fructophobe.
A better approximation to what Taubes thinks might be that dietary carbohydrates increase insulin and hence lead to increased fat storage / reduced fat loss.
This was my issue. Even with a calorie deficit I could not lose weight. But..I produce way too much insulin..
Your gifs are my favorites.littleapple0913 wrote: »
There are other ways to drop fat.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »
I would say that the "old school" (Eaton, Konner, Cordain) advocates moderate carbs. Which book were you following, mamapeach?mamapeach910 wrote: »And this was old school paleo, which was low carb.
I don't remember the name of the author. Maybe Cordain? I remember the cover illustration, it had a sketch of a prehistoric man on it. I think the reason that for me it was effectively low carb might have been due to food preferences. I should have phrased my sentence better.
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blktngldhrt wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Correct me if I'm wrong, I might be getting my quacks mixed up, but doesn't Taubes suggest that cico doesn't work and that it's sugar that makes people fat?
No, that would be Lustig who is the fructophobe.
A better approximation to what Taubes thinks might be that dietary carbohydrates increase insulin and hence lead to increased fat storage / reduced fat loss.
This was my issue. Even with a calorie deficit I could not lose weight. But..I produce way too much insulin..
Your gifs are my favorites.littleapple0913 wrote: »
There are other ways to drop fat.
i learned from the best
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mamapeach910 wrote: »I should have phrased my sentence better.
Ah, no worries, I was just curious.
Anyway, too many people seem to think that paleo=low carb.
It is not so, actually the paleo diet that has the academic background is moderate in macros (in my opinion everybody -whatever is the diet they follow- should find out the macros that work better for them).
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Seriously?littleapple0913 wrote: »
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As a pescaterian low-carber, I find it's tough to come up with new and exciting ways to prepare veggies and fish/seafood; however, Paleo Grubs has a great website and some amazing meal ideas
One thing that worked well for me was reducing my fruit intake - almond milk in smoothies VS oj, snap peas for a snack instead of a banana or apple, etc.0 -
This thread has turned into the great "black&blue/white&gold" debate.0
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Yeah if you can find where i said that you can quote me.
Unfortunately, what i ACTUALLY said was i struggled to lose weight on a low calorie diet alone (NOT that i didnt. I said i lost 2-3lbs). And that low carb has improved my results substantially. I also stated that my calories are indeed still low... not bc i bother to try and keep them low, but bc consuming low carb foods results in lower calories. Since my last post on here i have increased my calories by 200 a day and am still experiencing weight loss.
All i ever said was that low carb has made a big difference in MY (me myself i) results. I do not claim it is superior. I do not claim it is for everyone. I believe different types of diets work for different people... hence why even learned scientists still cant agree on every point. To each their own! Happy fitness travels!0 -
jennibean40 wrote: »According to my research ketosis (the state the body enters during low carb diets) burns almost solely body fat... and since i dont restrict calories i still maintain normal energy and function levels. Have you had different experiences?jennibean40 wrote: »Not at all.. i just know my results. And there are multiple studies, diets, and doctors who agree low carb diets can be more effective than low calorie diets. I could maintain my carb count and increase my calorie count.. and continue to lose weight at the level i have been. If you do some research you will find that the clean eating diets, while not marketed as low carb.. boast a MUCH lower carb count than a basic low calorie diet. It comes down to the foods you choose. Most carbs are bad for your body. Yes you need some carbs. This is known. And in response to "hard to maintain" i disagree... not any harder than a low calorie dieter who wants icecream. There is a vast array of foods you can eat and on a maintenance low carb diet you can still consume many regular foods. Ps every diet sheds water weight at first.
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jennibean40 wrote: »Yeah if you can find where i said that you can quote me.
Unfortunately, what i ACTUALLY said was i struggled to lose weight on a low calorie diet alone (NOT that i didnt. I said i lost 2-3lbs). And that low carb has improved my results substantially. I also stated that my calories are indeed still low... not bc i bother to try and keep them low, but bc consuming low carb foods results in lower calories. Since my last post on here i have increased my calories by 200 a day and am still experiencing weight loss.
All i ever said was that low carb has made a big difference in MY (me myself i) results. I do not claim it is superior. I do not claim it is for everyone. I believe different types of diets work for different people... hence why even learned scientists still cant agree on every point. To each their own! Happy fitness travels!
Actually you said this...
"According to my research ketosis (the state the body enters during low carb diets) burns almost solely body fat... and since i dont restrict calories i still maintain normal energy and function levels."
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blktngldhrt wrote: »jennibean40 wrote: »According to my research ketosis (the state the body enters during low carb diets) burns almost solely body fat... and since i dont restrict calories i still maintain normal energy and function levels. Have you had different experiences?jennibean40 wrote: »Not at all.. i just know my results. And there are multiple studies, diets, and doctors who agree low carb diets can be more effective than low calorie diets. I could maintain my carb count and increase my calorie count.. and continue to lose weight at the level i have been. If you do some research you will find that the clean eating diets, while not marketed as low carb.. boast a MUCH lower carb count than a basic low calorie diet. It comes down to the foods you choose. Most carbs are bad for your body. Yes you need some carbs. This is known. And in response to "hard to maintain" i disagree... not any harder than a low calorie dieter who wants icecream. There is a vast array of foods you can eat and on a maintenance low carb diet you can still consume many regular foods. Ps every diet sheds water weight at first.
^ right there..you said it..now own it0 -
Ok... thats me saying i can increase my calorie and still lose weight (which i have) not " defy physics, and eat in a calorie surplus"
Soooo... wrong again.0 -
And how many times are you going to quote that same first passage, when i immediately corrected my statement by saying that i dont INTENTIONALLY restrict calories, as a low calorie dieter would.0
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OP,
I'm low to moderate Carb during my off race season and bump my carbs while training for fuel purpose. Besides this I also shop in the outer aisles of grocery store exception being frozen veggies and tea/coffee aisles.
I have lost quite a lot of weight on this lifestyle..... it's a lifestyle now because it's been so long.
EDTA: Either way I weigh food on scale, track and log everything I eat in grams.0 -
jennibean40 wrote: »And how many times are you going to quote that same first passage, when i immediately corrected my statement by saying that i dont INTENTIONALLY restrict calories, as a low calorie dieter would.
you said you never said it and to find the quote. We found the quote and now you are moving the goal posts..
you should really just stop ...this is getting ridiculous...0 -
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jennibean40 wrote: »Ok... thats me saying i can increase my calorie and still lose weight (which i have) not " defy physics, and eat in a calorie surplus"
Soooo... wrong again.
"I could maintain my carb count and increase my calorie count.. and continue to lose weight at the level i have been." this is where the defying physics comes in. if you increase your calorie count you can not continue losing at the same rate..unless you meant to say increase your calories by some insignificant amount that wouldn't matter if carbs were the thing you increased anyway.0
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