when did boycotting cardio become the cool thing to do?
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You people are arguing which type of exercise YOU do, and which YOU think is best. To answer the OP questions, the reason people "boycott" cardio is because there is ZERO benefit that is exclusive to cardio. Any benefit that cardio offers, resistance training offers, and more.
Runners are going to run, and lifters are going to lift. For the people that want to look/feel good, in the shortest amount of time, there is no reason to do cardio.
The only problem with that little theory is that I like to run races, I train for the races as well as to stay fit and also burn the calories - all in that order.
Lifting weights and doing no cardio wouldn't do me any good, because when it came to me wanting to run my 10k race later on in the year, I wouldn't do very well now, would I.
Absolutely agree!
This is why i was keen to know how weights would help Triathlon/Cycling/Swimming, but i got my answer and it looks good!
I couldn't JUST do weights clearly, but weights could help my swim.
It depends what YOU want from YOUR sport!
Good God, I have no problem whatsoever with what you are saying there TriFinders, seriously, that is the sensible way to go! :flowerforyou:
No, what I got irritated by, was that poster saying there is no need to do cardio.
Now TriFinders, imagine if you went into one of your Triathlons, having had no cardio training, at all (as per that posters recommendations), but only weights alone - out of interest, in your opinion, how do you think you would do? :laugh:
I know how I would do if I did just that and had a 10k race to run....... it would not be a desirable outcome either competitively or on a physical wellbeing level.
Not even gonna consider that poster's little theory on a marathon runner :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Clearly i would die DEAD in the swim
Open water swimming is pretty tough going and at a competitive level it's exhilarating beyond believe, not to mention cycling then the run afterwards.
Hubby is an Ironman Triathlete and never lifted a weight in his life. You ought to see his muscles - perfect
Actually, I was saying to my husband the other day, that to me, triathletes - both male and female - have the best physiques in my opinion, truly.
I love running, can cycle ok, am a really strong swimmer and would love to have done a triathlon - even a mini one lol, however, here;s the catch - I am useless at front crawl and do breast-stroke all the time and I don't think that will get me very far on the swim side of things even if I can swim a bloody long way doing that - can you picture everybody else bolting off and me humming away whilst I swim frog-like, I don't think it would cut it somehow :laugh:0 -
So you mean like using light weights in a circuits session?
sorry it didn't quote right
Lighter weights in a circuit type setting could be considered conditioning/cardio-vascular. TBH it's what's considered light for you, not light in general. You are using a weight which is no where near your 1RM.
Anyway, complexes are really just a circuit-type exercise - you just don't move from the spot you're on if you're using a barbell. For instance, one I do (which I pinched from Dan John) is:
Bent over Row
Power Clean
Front squat
Military press
Back squat
Good mornings
You do 5 or 8 reps with each exercise and move straight to the next one in the list without putting the bar down and do 8 of them, etc, etc. When you get to the final exercise - you've done a set. It's cardio-vascular, I can attest. Depending on how strong you are, you can just use a raw bar and do a few sets. If you're stronger you can do the raw bar as a warm-up and add a bit of weight with each set. Obviously if you find squatting with a raw oly bar challenging, then it's not really the complex for you. There are others that use dumbbells or kettlebells or even bodyweight.
I guess the message is don't be so narrow with your definitions. I prefer conditioning to cardio as a term. It comes with less baggage and is more all-encompassing. I like to have a mixture of strength, speedwork, conditioning, flexibilty and mobility. It's really not A or B it's how to meld A, B, C, D and E into a cohesive whole that supports your goals. For some people they might need more focus on A and less on C, or more on D and less on A. But they will need some of everything no matter what their sport or activity is, just the proportions need to be tweaked to be optimal for that activity.0 -
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Just got a clean bill of health from my cardiologist. I do mix of cardio and strength training.0
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You people are arguing which type of exercise YOU do, and which YOU think is best. To answer the OP questions, the reason people "boycott" cardio is because there is ZERO benefit that is exclusive to cardio. Any benefit that cardio offers, resistance training offers, and more.
Runners are going to run, and lifters are going to lift. For the people that want to look/feel good, in the shortest amount of time, there is no reason to do cardio.
The only problem with that little theory is that I like to run races, I train for the races as well as to stay fit and also burn the calories - all in that order.
Lifting weights and doing no cardio wouldn't do me any good, because when it came to me wanting to run my 10k race later on in the year, I wouldn't do very well now, would I.
Absolutely agree!
This is why i was keen to know how weights would help Triathlon/Cycling/Swimming, but i got my answer and it looks good!
I couldn't JUST do weights clearly, but weights could help my swim.
It depends what YOU want from YOUR sport!
Good God, I have no problem whatsoever with what you are saying there TriFinders, seriously, that is the sensible way to go! :flowerforyou:
No, what I got irritated by, was that poster saying there is no need to do cardio.
Now TriFinders, imagine if you went into one of your Triathlons, having had no cardio training, at all (as per that posters recommendations), but only weights alone - out of interest, in your opinion, how do you think you would do? :laugh:
I know how I would do if I did just that and had a 10k race to run....... it would not be a desirable outcome either competitively or on a physical wellbeing level.
Not even gonna consider that poster's little theory on a marathon runner :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Clearly i would die DEAD in the swim
Open water swimming is pretty tough going and at a competitive level it's exhilarating beyond believe, not to mention cycling then the run afterwards.
Hubby is an Ironman Triathlete and never lifted a weight in his life. You ought to see his muscles - perfect
Actually, I was saying to my husband the other day, that to me, triathletes - both male and female - have the best physiques in my opinion, truly.
I love running, can cycle ok, am a really strong swimmer and would love to have done a triathlon - even a mini one lol, however, here;s the catch - I am useless at front crawl and do breast-stroke all the time and I don't think that will get me very far on the swim side of things even if I can swim a bloody long way doing that - can you picture everybody else bolting off and me humming away whilst I swim frog-like, I don't think it would cut it somehow :laugh:
Hey it's the taking part that counts and honestly, altho breast stroke is terribly energy inefficient in a wetsuit (bum too buoyant) it's a great way to start and it wouldn't take you long to learn to crawl.
I loathe running and have dipped out of this season because i have an anterior prolapsed disc that needs surgery. it makes running terribly difficult, so i'm doing open water swim race series and endurance cycling sportives to keep me busy.
Hubby kicked off his season a few weeks back with a European Qualifier and has one next weekend that he usually podiums at. Neither of us have done weights before and he's super fit. He usually gets fastest bike split.
Try Tri - you won't be sorry!0 -
So you mean like using light weights in a circuits session?
sorry it didn't quote right
Lighter weights in a circuit type setting could be considered conditioning/cardio-vascular. TBH it's what's considered light for you, not light in general. You are using a weight which is no where near your 1RM.
Anyway, complexes are really just a circuit-type exercise - you just don't move from the spot you're on if you're using a barbell. For instance, one I do (which I pinched from Dan John) is:
Bent over Row
Power Clean
Front squat
Military press
Back squat
Good mornings
You do 5 or 8 reps with each exercise and move straight to the next one in the list without putting the bar down and do 8 of them, etc, etc. When you get to the final exercise - you've done a set. It's cardio-vascular, I can attest. Depending on how strong you are, you can just use a raw bar and do a few sets. If you're stronger you can do the raw bar as a warm-up and add a bit of weight with each set. Obviously if you find squatting with a raw oly bar challenging, then it's not really the complex for you. There are others that use dumbbells or kettlebells or even bodyweight.
I guess the message is don't be so narrow with your definitions. I prefer conditioning to cardio as a term. It comes with less baggage and is more all-encompassing. I like to have a mixture of strength, speedwork, conditioning, flexibilty and mobility. It's really not A or B it's how to meld A, B, C, D and E into a cohesive whole that supports your goals. For some people they might need more focus on A and less on C, or more on D and less on A. But they will need some of everything no matter what their sport or activity is, just the proportions need to be tweaked to be optimal for that activity.
That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
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That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
Cheers
You're welcome!
It's a shame these cardio vs weights threads keep popping up all the time, because the question is based on a false premise. I thought I would try to make a positive contribution to this one, though.
Although, I'm sure another one will be along next week
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You people are arguing which type of exercise YOU do, and which YOU think is best. To answer the OP questions, the reason people "boycott" cardio is because there is ZERO benefit that is exclusive to cardio. Any benefit that cardio offers, resistance training offers, and more.
Runners are going to run, and lifters are going to lift. For the people that want to look/feel good, in the shortest amount of time, there is no reason to do cardio.
The only problem with that little theory is that I like to run races, I train for the races as well as to stay fit and also burn the calories - all in that order.
Lifting weights and doing no cardio wouldn't do me any good, because when it came to me wanting to run my 10k race later on in the year, I wouldn't do very well now, would I.
Absolutely agree!
This is why i was keen to know how weights would help Triathlon/Cycling/Swimming, but i got my answer and it looks good!
I couldn't JUST do weights clearly, but weights could help my swim.
It depends what YOU want from YOUR sport!
Good God, I have no problem whatsoever with what you are saying there TriFinders, seriously, that is the sensible way to go! :flowerforyou:
No, what I got irritated by, was that poster saying there is no need to do cardio.
Now TriFinders, imagine if you went into one of your Triathlons, having had no cardio training, at all (as per that posters recommendations), but only weights alone - out of interest, in your opinion, how do you think you would do? :laugh:
I know how I would do if I did just that and had a 10k race to run....... it would not be a desirable outcome either competitively or on a physical wellbeing level.
Not even gonna consider that poster's little theory on a marathon runner :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Clearly i would die DEAD in the swim
Open water swimming is pretty tough going and at a competitive level it's exhilarating beyond believe, not to mention cycling then the run afterwards.
Hubby is an Ironman Triathlete and never lifted a weight in his life. You ought to see his muscles - perfect
Actually, I was saying to my husband the other day, that to me, triathletes - both male and female - have the best physiques in my opinion, truly.
I love running, can cycle ok, am a really strong swimmer and would love to have done a triathlon - even a mini one lol, however, here;s the catch - I am useless at front crawl and do breast-stroke all the time and I don't think that will get me very far on the swim side of things even if I can swim a bloody long way doing that - can you picture everybody else bolting off and me humming away whilst I swim frog-like, I don't think it would cut it somehow :laugh:
Hey it's the taking part that counts and honestly, altho breast stroke is terribly energy inefficient in a wetsuit (bum too buoyant) it's a great way to start and it wouldn't take you long to learn to crawl.
I loathe running and have dipped out of this season because i have an anterior prolapsed disc that needs surgery. it makes running terribly difficult, so i'm doing open water swim race series and endurance cycling sportives to keep me busy.
Hubby kicked off his season a few weeks back with a European Qualifier and has one next weekend that he usually podiums at. Neither of us have done weights before and he's super fit. He usually gets fastest bike split.
Try Tri - you won't be sorry!
Blimey, we have more in common then, three and a half years ago I had a prolapsed disc and yes, it definitely interrupts the old running routine for sure, I was fortunate in that I didn't have to have any surgery, every now and again it gets a bit tender and I stick a cold pack on it to shrink it back. When is your surgery, have you got a date yet?
Best of luck to your hubby in that event, how utterly exciting!!!0 -
That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
Cheers
You're welcome!
It's a shame these cardio vs weights threads keep popping up all the time, because the question is based on a false premise. I thought I would try to make a positive contribution to this one, though.
Although, I'm sure another one will be along next week
Being new to MFP this week, i hadn't seen any before, but there clearly appears to be some bad blood on the topic. I wanted to ask questions but i think they were seen as fuelling a fire. I appreciate your patience with me.
I steer clear of forums usually as the written word can be taken, not as intended, but in anyway at all.0 -
You people are arguing which type of exercise YOU do, and which YOU think is best. To answer the OP questions, the reason people "boycott" cardio is because there is ZERO benefit that is exclusive to cardio. Any benefit that cardio offers, resistance training offers, and more.
Runners are going to run, and lifters are going to lift. For the people that want to look/feel good, in the shortest amount of time, there is no reason to do cardio.
The only problem with that little theory is that I like to run races, I train for the races as well as to stay fit and also burn the calories - all in that order.
Lifting weights and doing no cardio wouldn't do me any good, because when it came to me wanting to run my 10k race later on in the year, I wouldn't do very well now, would I.
Absolutely agree!
This is why i was keen to know how weights would help Triathlon/Cycling/Swimming, but i got my answer and it looks good!
I couldn't JUST do weights clearly, but weights could help my swim.
It depends what YOU want from YOUR sport!
Good God, I have no problem whatsoever with what you are saying there TriFinders, seriously, that is the sensible way to go! :flowerforyou:
No, what I got irritated by, was that poster saying there is no need to do cardio.
Now TriFinders, imagine if you went into one of your Triathlons, having had no cardio training, at all (as per that posters recommendations), but only weights alone - out of interest, in your opinion, how do you think you would do? :laugh:
I know how I would do if I did just that and had a 10k race to run....... it would not be a desirable outcome either competitively or on a physical wellbeing level.
Not even gonna consider that poster's little theory on a marathon runner :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Clearly i would die DEAD in the swim
Open water swimming is pretty tough going and at a competitive level it's exhilarating beyond believe, not to mention cycling then the run afterwards.
Hubby is an Ironman Triathlete and never lifted a weight in his life. You ought to see his muscles - perfect
Actually, I was saying to my husband the other day, that to me, triathletes - both male and female - have the best physiques in my opinion, truly.
I love running, can cycle ok, am a really strong swimmer and would love to have done a triathlon - even a mini one lol, however, here;s the catch - I am useless at front crawl and do breast-stroke all the time and I don't think that will get me very far on the swim side of things even if I can swim a bloody long way doing that - can you picture everybody else bolting off and me humming away whilst I swim frog-like, I don't think it would cut it somehow :laugh:
Hey it's the taking part that counts and honestly, altho breast stroke is terribly energy inefficient in a wetsuit (bum too buoyant) it's a great way to start and it wouldn't take you long to learn to crawl.
I loathe running and have dipped out of this season because i have an anterior prolapsed disc that needs surgery. it makes running terribly difficult, so i'm doing open water swim race series and endurance cycling sportives to keep me busy.
Hubby kicked off his season a few weeks back with a European Qualifier and has one next weekend that he usually podiums at. Neither of us have done weights before and he's super fit. He usually gets fastest bike split.
Try Tri - you won't be sorry!
Blimey, we have more in common then, three and a half years ago I had a prolapsed disc and yes, it definitely interrupts the old running routine for sure, I was fortunate in that I didn't have to have any surgery, every now and again it gets a bit tender and I stick a cold pack on it to shrink it back. When is your surgery, have you got a date yet?
Best of luck to your hubby in that event, how utterly exciting!!!
Wowzers!:noway:
I have an MRI referral to determine what needs doing, gotta wait for all that yet. I'm hoping no surgery will be needed if i'm honest. I never enjoyed running really, i'm definitely more of a swimmer. I achieved a sub 24:28min 1600m in an open water race last year, but did a 1km race on Wednesday night with very disappointing results :sad:
England is too cold for open water swimming really :laugh: so i hadn't had enough practise!0 -
That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
Cheers
You're welcome!
It's a shame these cardio vs weights threads keep popping up all the time, because the question is based on a false premise. I thought I would try to make a positive contribution to this one, though.
Although, I'm sure another one will be along next week
Being new to MFP this week, i hadn't seen any before, but there clearly appears to be some bad blood on the topic. I wanted to ask questions but i think they were seen as fuelling a fire. I appreciate your patience with me.
I steer clear of forums usually as the written word can be taken, not as intended, but in anyway at all.
Agreed. I banned myself from the forums for the first three months of this year for my own sanity!
Nothing's black and white in life - but forums do tend to polarise people to opposing views and set up false dichotomies......0 -
That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
Cheers
You're welcome!
It's a shame these cardio vs weights threads keep popping up all the time, because the question is based on a false premise. I thought I would try to make a positive contribution to this one, though.
Although, I'm sure another one will be along next week
Being new to MFP this week, i hadn't seen any before, but there clearly appears to be some bad blood on the topic. I wanted to ask questions but i think they were seen as fuelling a fire. I appreciate your patience with me.
I steer clear of forums usually as the written word can be taken, not as intended, but in anyway at all.
Agreed. I banned myself from the forums for the first three months of this year for my own sanity!
Nothing's black and white in life - but forums do tend to polarise people to opposing views and set up false dichotomies......
I disagree. You are either with me or against me.
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That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
Cheers
You're welcome!
It's a shame these cardio vs weights threads keep popping up all the time, because the question is based on a false premise. I thought I would try to make a positive contribution to this one, though.
Although, I'm sure another one will be along next week
Being new to MFP this week, i hadn't seen any before, but there clearly appears to be some bad blood on the topic. I wanted to ask questions but i think they were seen as fuelling a fire. I appreciate your patience with me.
I steer clear of forums usually as the written word can be taken, not as intended, but in anyway at all.
:laugh: And you argued that lifting just makes you bulky :laugh:
On a side note, I lol'd at the post "i'm a runner, I don't lift cuz I don't want big muscles". :laugh:0 -
I do prefer weights, and doing them requires more recovery and your metabolism is higher for longer after a session. Cardio has nothing to do with that bro's muscles though so it's full of **** - if you need to lose fat then you need to lose fat! Not that cardio is the most important part (I only do 20 minutes because I just get bored but I still see results) but everyone should be doing some even if it's just a warm-up.
That said - GOD I hate cardio.0 -
That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
Cheers
You're welcome!
It's a shame these cardio vs weights threads keep popping up all the time, because the question is based on a false premise. I thought I would try to make a positive contribution to this one, though.
Although, I'm sure another one will be along next week
Being new to MFP this week, i hadn't seen any before, but there clearly appears to be some bad blood on the topic. I wanted to ask questions but i think they were seen as fuelling a fire. I appreciate your patience with me.
I steer clear of forums usually as the written word can be taken, not as intended, but in anyway at all.
:laugh: And you argued that lifting just makes you bulky :laugh:
On a side note, I lol'd at the post "i'm a runner, I don't lift cuz I don't want big muscles". :laugh:
If you read back you'll see i didn't argue about anything. I said i assumed building muscle made you bigger! Then we discussed it some more and it was explained to me...nicely.
Yes nicely!0 -
That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
Cheers
You're welcome!
It's a shame these cardio vs weights threads keep popping up all the time, because the question is based on a false premise. I thought I would try to make a positive contribution to this one, though.
Although, I'm sure another one will be along next week
Being new to MFP this week, i hadn't seen any before, but there clearly appears to be some bad blood on the topic. I wanted to ask questions but i think they were seen as fuelling a fire. I appreciate your patience with me.
I steer clear of forums usually as the written word can be taken, not as intended, but in anyway at all.
:laugh: And you argued that lifting just makes you bulky :laugh:
On a side note, I lol'd at the post "i'm a runner, I don't lift cuz I don't want big muscles". :laugh:
If you read back you'll see i didn't argue about anything. I said i assumed building muscle made you bigger! Then we discussed it some more and it was explained to me...nicely.
Yes nicely!
You're sarcasm detector is broken.:bigsmile:
I'm giving you a hard time, and it was lifting made you bigger. 0 -
I think cardio is important unless you are doing mega, consistent lifting. Better something thank nothing.
I am just doing cardio now but plan to add lifting to my exercise routine. Can't afford a gym... maybe do some lifting cans, etc. Any ideas?
Cake - one in each hand!0 -
That's wonderful thanks. I've learned a lot from this thread. Not having done weights before i was ignorant to your terminology and the science of it all. I think weights could compliment my swimming and i plan to look into it more.
Cheers
You're welcome!
It's a shame these cardio vs weights threads keep popping up all the time, because the question is based on a false premise. I thought I would try to make a positive contribution to this one, though.
Although, I'm sure another one will be along next week
Being new to MFP this week, i hadn't seen any before, but there clearly appears to be some bad blood on the topic. I wanted to ask questions but i think they were seen as fuelling a fire. I appreciate your patience with me.
I steer clear of forums usually as the written word can be taken, not as intended, but in anyway at all.
:laugh: And you argued that lifting just makes you bulky :laugh:
On a side note, I lol'd at the post "i'm a runner, I don't lift cuz I don't want big muscles". :laugh:
If you read back you'll see i didn't argue about anything. I said i assumed building muscle made you bigger! Then we discussed it some more and it was explained to me...nicely.
Yes nicely!
You're sarcasm detector is broken.:bigsmile:
I'm giving you a hard time, and it was lifting made you bigger.
**** - see what i mean about the written word not being read properly!:blushing:
Yes body building made you bigger...is this an oxymoron then?:ohwell:0 -
You're sarcasm detector is broken.:bigsmile:
I'm giving you a hard time, and it was lifting made you bigger.
**** - see what i mean about the written word not being read properly!:blushing:
Yes body building made you bigger...is this an oxymoron then?:ohwell:
I think we're getting stuck on semantics.
There is a difference in body building and lifting.0 -
Here, let me solve this argument:
There are benefits and drawbacks to both weights and cardio.
BAM!0 -
You're sarcasm detector is broken.:bigsmile:
I'm giving you a hard time, and it was lifting made you bigger.
**** - see what i mean about the written word not being read properly!:blushing:
Yes body building made you bigger...is this an oxymoron then?:ohwell:
I think we're getting stuck on semantics.
There is a difference in body building and lifting.
yes, again...if you read back you'll see i've learned all about that:bigsmile:
I WAS saying bodybuilding made you big...and it does, but...i've seen that using weights can be used for all kinds of stuff. You see?:explode:0 -
You're sarcasm detector is broken.:bigsmile:
I'm giving you a hard time, and it was lifting made you bigger.
**** - see what i mean about the written word not being read properly!:blushing:
Yes body building made you bigger...is this an oxymoron then?:ohwell:
I think we're getting stuck on semantics.
There is a difference in body building and lifting.
yes, again...if you read back you'll see i've learned all about that:bigsmile:
I WAS saying bodybuilding made you big...and it does, but...i've seen that using weights can be used for all kinds of stuff. You see?:explode:
I guess I thought you were saying everyone who lifts a weight is a bodybuilder. 0 -
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You're sarcasm detector is broken.:bigsmile:
I'm giving you a hard time, and it was lifting made you bigger.
**** - see what i mean about the written word not being read properly!:blushing:
Yes body building made you bigger...is this an oxymoron then?:ohwell:
I think we're getting stuck on semantics.
There is a difference in body building and lifting.
yes, again...if you read back you'll see i've learned all about that:bigsmile:
I WAS saying bodybuilding made you big...and it does, but...i've seen that using weights can be used for all kinds of stuff. You see?:explode:
I guess I thought you were saying everyone who lifts a weight is a bodybuilder.
Well initially i was talking about that, but i didn't mean everyone no! It was in response to other things said, but i think by that time people were fired up and thinking i was being derogatory!
It humoured me when you said we're confusing semantics cus that's not unusual with me. I take semantics/meanings literally. I studied an English degree specialising in Linguistics and phonics etc, so i probably am over sensitive to it all:happy:
I said earlier that lifting weights and cardio have their uses within whatever sport you do or goal you have and i feel both can compliment each other. S'wot i think anyway. i don't think you NEED to lift weights in all cases.0 -
Well initially i was talking about that, but i didn't mean everyone no! It was in response to other things said, but i think by that time people were fired up and thinking i was being derogatory!
It humoured me when you said we're confusing semantics cus that's not unusual with me. I take semantics/meanings literally. I studied an English degree specialising in Linguistics and phonics etc, so i probably am over sensitive to it all:happy:
I said earlier that lifting weights and cardio have their uses within whatever sport you do or goal you have and i feel both can compliment each other. S'wot i think anyway. i don't think you NEED to lift weights in all cases.
Then it's agreed that you don't need cardio in all cases, correct? It humored me when you said I only lift weights to get bigger, when it's hardly the case.
I'll let it go since we agree that's what you were initially speaking of, and that is what I was addressing.0 -
You're sarcasm detector is broken.:bigsmile:
I'm giving you a hard time, and it was lifting made you bigger.
**** - see what i mean about the written word not being read properly!:blushing:
Yes body building made you bigger...is this an oxymoron then?:ohwell:
I think we're getting stuck on semantics.
There is a difference in body building and lifting.
yes, again...if you read back you'll see i've learned all about that:bigsmile:
I WAS saying bodybuilding made you big...and it does, but...i've seen that using weights can be used for all kinds of stuff. You see?:explode:
I guess I thought you were saying everyone who lifts a weight is a bodybuilder.
Well initially i was talking about that, but i didn't mean everyone no! It was in response to other things said, but i think by that time people were fired up and thinking i was being derogatory!
It humoured me when you said we're confusing semantics cus that's not unusual with me. I take semantics/meanings literally. I studied an English degree specialising in Linguistics and phonics etc, so i probably am over sensitive to it all:happy:
I said earlier that lifting weights and cardio have their uses within whatever sport you do or goal you have and i feel both can compliment each other. S'wot i think anyway. i don't think you NEED to lift weights in all cases.
Then it's agreed that you don't need cardio in all cases, correct? It humored me when you said I only lift weights to get bigger, when it's hardly the case.
Yes you lift to be strong.
I take your word for it that you don't need cardio exercise to lift weights - having never done it, i don't know.
All i know is that to do what i do i need to train at a working heart rate 0 -
Yes you lift to be strong.
I take your word for it that you don't need cardio exercise to lift weights - having never done it, i don't know.
All i know is that to do what i do i need to train at a working heart rate
Ditto. I had a sub 20 min 5K time, Sub 40 min 10K, Sub 1:45 1/2.0 -
Yes you lift to be strong.
I take your word for it that you don't need cardio exercise to lift weights - having never done it, i don't know.
All i know is that to do what i do i need to train at a working heart rate
Ditto. I had a sub 20 min 5K time, Sub 40 min 10K, Sub 1:45 1/2.
Had?
Ewwww i hate running *shudder* My run times are pretty poor, but my swim/bike times are good!0 -
Ok, back from the gym. Got HOOOGE last night. Anyway....
Lets just put an end to this. First I'll define what I consider cardio, and what I consider resistance training.
Cardio - steady pace, submaximal exertion, below anaerobic threshold, using primarily aerobic pathways (eg. biking, running, prancercise)
Resistance Training - Any movement using resistance (eg. BB, DB, KB, bodyweight, etc.), using primarily alactic/CP and glycolysis pathways. This would even include sprinting and plyometrics.
Ok, to put an end to this debate. No one has yet to offer one benefit that is cardio exclusive, other than of course, being a better runner, biker, etc. Like I said, running/biking is a learned skill, to become better, you must do those skills. However, the physiological adaptations that occur from cardio can also be accomplished using resistance training. On the other hand, resistance training offers many benefits that cannot be gained through solely doing cardio.
Being a personal trainer and a strength and condition coach, my job is to get the greatest adaption in the shortest amount of time. Because there is no health benefits to cardio, and it has a low "bang for its buck", I do zero for myself, my clients, and my athletes (I don't train distance runners or swimmers).
If anyone want a more detailed response they can PM me.0 -
Ok, back from the gym. Got HOOOGE last night. Anyway....
Lets just put an end to this. First I'll define what I consider cardio, and what I consider resistance training.
Cardio - steady pace, submaximal exertion, below anaerobic threshold, using primarily aerobic pathways (eg. biking, running, prancercise)
Resistance Training - Any movement using resistance (eg. BB, DB, KB, bodyweight, etc.), using primarily alactic/CP and glycolysis pathways. This would even include sprinting and plyometrics.
Ok, to put an end to this debate. No one has yet to offer one benefit that is cardio exclusive, other than of course, being a better runner, biker, etc. Like I said, running/biking is a learned skill, to become better, you must do those skills. However, the physiological adaptations that occur from cardio can also be accomplished using resistance training. On the other hand, resistance training offers many benefits that cannot be gained through solely doing cardio.
Being a personal trainer and a strength and condition coach, my job is to get the greatest adaption in the shortest amount of time. Because there is no health benefits to cardio, and it has a low "bang for its buck", I do zero for myself, my clients, and my athletes (I don't train distance runners or swimmers).
If anyone want a more detailed response they can PM me.
My Hubby runs a 5k in 17:52 (that was last week's race)
10k in 35:12, half mara in 1:16 and he did London Marathon this year in 3:06!
He runs once a week, but believes in quality over quantity. Every training session has a focus. He does MOST of his training on the bike, riding 35 miles daily and up to 100 miles at the weekends. He does a good sub 5hr 100miles (on the bike) and a 4Hrs 40min half ironman.
He's never lifted a weight in his life and has been competing in triathlon since 2007 after a previous non athletic lifestyle.
You think if he dropped the cardio and lifted weights he could be SUPERMAN :flowerforyou:0
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