when did boycotting cardio become the cool thing to do?

jimmmer

I guess the message is don't be so narrow with your definitions. I prefer conditioning to cardio as a term. It comes with less baggage and is more all-encompassing. I like to have a mixture of strength, speedwork, conditioning, flexibilty and mobility. It's really not A or B it's how to meld A, B, C, D and E into a cohesive whole that supports your goals. For some people they might need more focus on A and less on C, or more on D and less on A. But they will need some of everything no matter what their sport or activity is, just the proportions need to be tweaked to be optimal for that activity.

I'm just going to leave this here.

I posted this umpteen pages back and is the reason why these last 4-5 pages (the the preceding 10-11) are a waste of time. The dichotomy is false. You may have a personal preference for one or the other. But they are just 2 components of being a physically well-rounded individual.

Note that I said "their sport or activity". I'm not really addressing weight loss here. That's just a case of "eat less, move more". If you want to drop some fat, do whatever you're going to stick with. You can always adjust your routine over time as your knowledge and exercise tastes change. It's not a big deal really. It's only a big deal in the "me big forum poster, hear me roar" internet debates.

No, what I'm addressing is people who are working out for a goal: to become a better Martial Artist. Run a faster race. Put up a bigger squat. Enter a physique competition. You're going to have to learn to listen to your body. Find an optimal training pattern. Reduce or minimise injury. Train around injury. Because you are orientated on a goal, it matters if you're out of the game for a period of time. You'll need some conditioning, flexibility and mobility in appropriate quantities tailored to your activity if you want to be durable and succeed in the long term. Also, the longer you train, the older you'll get (it's inevitable, I'm afraid) - no one is 18 for life and you'll need to account for changes in your body by rounding out your training.

And, I'm sorry DavPul, skipping is only plyometric by the P90X standards of the word. I suggest you read up on Yuri Verkhoshansky, who invented plyo training. Nowadays they call his method "explosive" or "true" plyometrics to differentiate it from the wash of popular books that flooded the US market and were basically jump training called plyos but without the explosive component that makes them a power exercise. I would check out something like DeFrancos's WS4SB3 where his DE lower body days have 5-8 sets of 1-3 reps of jump training. That's explosive and with that kind of maximum power you shouldn't be able to do more than 3 reps of. Or else it's not really explosive power training, it's something else.

Anyway, this thread seems to be more about personalities (and their clashes) more than actual knowledge and the (very) few helpful and insightful contributions are low even by the standards of these forums.

pcastagner

Well said.

And I am guilty as charged, but I could not resist the big juicy targets. And there is still the off chance someone read this and decided to start thinking about their conditioning (I like your word choice better than cardio as well).

DavPul

Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.

Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless

Regardless of the OP's history, it's an interesting subject.


Your condescension is unwarranted.

Ironic. I've yet to find any of your input warranted. But congrats on your 3 mins of speed rope mastery. You're a true warrior

Do you mean my general point, that doing some cardio helps with resistance training, or the part where I contradicted your assertion that skipping rope is a form of resistance training?

or are you just unclear on what "unwarranted" means?

*yawns*

BeachIron

chrisdavey

HTH

BeachIron

^ I wonder how these guys train and condition? Hum . . . skipping rope, running, lifting, practice, practice, practice. Meh . . .

pcastagner

^ I wonder how these guys train and condition? Hum . . . skipping rope, running, lifting, practice, practice, practice. Meh . . .

Well you know, it's all plyometrics.

BeachIron

^ I wonder how these guys train and condition? Hum . . . skipping rope, running, lifting, practice, practice, practice. Meh . . .

Well you know, it's all plyometrics.

pcastagner

Lol.

JeffseekingV

Back when Arnold Schwarzengger was bodybuilding, they rarely did cardo.

magerum

^ I wonder how these guys train and condition? Hum . . . skipping rope, running, lifting, practice, practice, practice. Meh . . .

Well you know, it's all plyometrics.

PoopieMonster

pcastagner

^ I wonder how these guys train and condition? Hum . . . skipping rope, running, lifting, practice, practice, practice. Meh . . .

Well you know, it's all plyometrics.

No, no, see, what you miss is that if it uses your calves, it's plyo. So these guys don't do cardio, they use their calves to do a whole lot of tiny resistance exercises. You know, plyometrics.

JeffseekingV

^ I wonder how these guys train and condition? Hum . . . skipping rope, running, lifting, practice, practice, practice. Meh . . .

Well you know, it's all plyometrics.

No, no, see, what you miss is that if it uses your calves, it's plyo. So these guys don't do cardio, they use their calves to do a whole lot of tiny resistance exercises. You know, plyometrics.

Your condescension is unwarranted
:bigsmile:

pcastagner

On that made me chuckle!

Do I count that as cardio or is it plyometric? It was pretty explosive I guess.


If it is cardio will it interfere with my recovery? I did a leg workout today. (Which started with plyo squat jumps incidentally, after a ten minute speed rope warmup. So is that double plyo?)

MisterDerpington

On that made me chuckle!

Do I count that as cardio or is it plyometric? It was pretty explosive I guess.

I have nothing to add to this conversation, but has anyone ever told you that you look like Will Wheaton?

JeffseekingV

On that made me chuckle!

Do I count that as cardio or is it plyometric? It was pretty explosive I guess.

I have nothing to add to this conversation, but has anyone ever told you that you look like Will Wheaton?

Does Will lift?

pcastagner

I think Will just does plyometrics.


Omg I just googled him and he DOES totally look like me!

DavPul

wow. still running off at the mouth. that speed rope must really be working. such stamina!

pcastagner

Yawn