when did boycotting cardio become the cool thing to do?
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I don't see how this is still a discussion. What does it matter, really what anyone does. Everyone is different so you cannot tell anyone what is best for them. For some people just cardio works for whatever goals they have.
My personal goal is to lose weight AND gain strength. I don't necessarily need to tone up, so I do cardio & weights mixed, because that is what is going to help me reach these goals.0 -
You have to remember, you are talking to guys who do no cardio. If you do no cardio, three minutes of speed rope probably does feel like plyometrics.
Lol. Anytime you wish to put your awesome jump roping skillz to the test let me know. And according to every exercise textbook on the planet, skipping rope is plyometric. Feel free to Google the definition of plyometrics.0 -
Are we using the same google?
Wiki:Plyometrics, also known as "jump training" or "plyos", are exercises based around having muscles exert maximum force in as short a time as possible, with the goal of increasing both speed and power. This training focuses on learning to move from a muscle extension to a contraction in a rapid or "explosive" way, for example with specialized repeated jumping.[1] Plyometrics are primarily used by athletes, especially high jumpers,[2] to improve performance,[3] and are used in the fitness field to a much lesser degree.
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Plyometric training conditions the body with dynamic resistance exercises that rapidly stretch a muscle (eccentric phase) and then rapidly shorten it (concentric phase). Hopping and jumping exercises, for example, subject the quadriceps to a stretch-shortening cycle that can strengthen these muscles, increase vertical jump, and reduce the force of impact on the joints.
Are you doing maximum force when you skip rope? No? It's cardio, not plyometrics. Epic fail on the definitions there bro. What this has in common with certain plyometric moves: it involves jumping. What it does not have in common with plyometrics: it is neither maximum force in the shortest time possible, nor is it explosive unless you have diarrhea when you try it.
Lol so if your jump rope skills are all that, you do lots of speed rope? As in lots of cardio? So you get great results doing resistance and cardio. Iin other words, your results contradict your position on this thread? And your mocking tone is essentially the height of irony?
It's a terrible stereotype, but sometimes I get the feeling reading comprehension is inversely proportional to physical exertion. How you could manage to read "every exercise textbook on the planet" yet still not understand a simple definition is just baffling. Maybe it's all the cardio you do.0 -
Please go read back through this thread and then tell me what position I've taken.
When you've completed that assignment, read your definition of plyometrics again and explain to me how using the stretch reflex in your calves isn't plyometric.0 -
Please go read back through this thread and then tell me what position I've taken.
When you've completed that assignment, read your definition of plyometrics again and explain to me how using the stretch reflex in your calves isn't plyometric.
You mean the exact same stretch reflex used in jogging? So jogging is plyometric too? It's not a very tough concept, so I'll have to assume you are now just toying with me by playing dumb.
I think anyone following this understands your position and also your arrogant, uninformed tone as you commented on some of these responses.
But I'm not one to force others to take any position, so why don't you clearly spell yours out instead of attempting social dominance by handing out assignments?0 -
I'm 100% FOR cardio. If it wasn't for cardio I'd still be fat. I lost ALL my weight doing nothing but cardio & I have great fitness because of it. Even the PT I saw once was impressed. It took me 7 months to lose all my weight, become so damn fit I can do it all on 4 hours sleep & still be great every single day.
^This! Same for me! I think I might add weights soon, but you don't HAVE to, exercise is like religion, everyone in here thinks their way/philosophy is right, so stick to what works for us!0 -
I'm 100% FOR cardio. If it wasn't for cardio I'd still be fat. I lost ALL my weight doing nothing but cardio & I have great fitness because of it. Even the PT I saw once was impressed. It took me 7 months to lose all my weight, become so damn fit I can do it all on 4 hours sleep & still be great every single day.
^This! Same for me! I think I might add weights soon, but you don't HAVE to, exercise is like religion, everyone in here thinks their way/philosophy is right, so stick to what works for us!
I disagree. Religion is based on faith, which is belief in something for which one has no evidence.
What's being discussed here has basis in evidence.
Further, many of us don't feel our workouts are a crucial component of identity. It's just a workout, and you can change it to something else if you have new evidence. It's a constant quest for improvement.
I just did my 20 min rest day jump rope session. It was good cardio, and it took down my DOMS. That's another benefit for the list.0 -
I'm 100% FOR cardio. If it wasn't for cardio I'd still be fat. I lost ALL my weight doing nothing but cardio & I have great fitness because of it. Even the PT I saw once was impressed. It took me 7 months to lose all my weight, become so damn fit I can do it all on 4 hours sleep & still be great every single day.
^This! Same for me! I think I might add weights soon, but you don't HAVE to, exercise is like religion, everyone in here thinks their way/philosophy is right, so stick to what works for us!
I disagree. Religion is based on faith, which is belief in something for which one has no evidence.
What's being discussed here has basis in evidence.
Further, many of us don't feel our workouts are a crucial component of identity. It's just a workout, and you can change it to something else if you have new evidence. It's a constant quest for improvement.
It's the same as religion in the way that it is not YOUR place to tell someone how to live their lives
If it works for you, great, if others don't care about lifting weights, let it be. If it doesn't affect you, let it go. Don't try to pursuade them to lift. I hate people that try to push their religion in my face 0 -
I'm 100% FOR cardio. If it wasn't for cardio I'd still be fat. I lost ALL my weight doing nothing but cardio & I have great fitness because of it. Even the PT I saw once was impressed. It took me 7 months to lose all my weight, become so damn fit I can do it all on 4 hours sleep & still be great every single day.
^This! Same for me! I think I might add weights soon, but you don't HAVE to, exercise is like religion, everyone in here thinks their way/philosophy is right, so stick to what works for us!
I disagree. Religion is based on faith, which is belief in something for which one has no evidence.
What's being discussed here has basis in evidence.
Further, many of us don't feel our workouts are a crucial component of identity. It's just a workout, and you can change it to something else if you have new evidence. It's a constant quest for improvement.
It's the same as religion in the way that it is not YOUR place to tell someone how to live their lives If it works for you, great, if others don't care about lifting weights, let it be. If it doesn't affect you, let it go. Don't try to pursuade them to lift. I hate people that try to push their religion in my face
It's not a good comparison, once you step into their church. Ostensibly, people are here to discuss.0 -
Pca - whatascene didn't say 'its like religion - theres no proof for one over another' she said 'it's like religion - everyone thinks their way is right.'
Her position is that is a team mentality - namely, that further information will not change the 'side' one is on. If that is not true for you or some other members on this side - kudos!
However, team mentality (you might also think ingroup/outgroup) is incredibly prevalent in society - from what sports team you root for down to clothing or food brands you consume. This is part of why branding works, and also inter-relates with xenophobia. It's natural, even if its not good. And the interesting thing is that facts often do NOT change preconceived notions. Namely, we will believe what we believe regardless of the facts of the situation. This also comes from our tendency to seek information supporting our position rather than contrary to it. Humans do not like to admit we are wrong.
Thus the argument between cardio and weight lifting isn't so much about who's right as it is about 'which team am I rooting for?'0 -
Pca - whatascene didn't say 'its like religion - theres no proof for one over another' she said 'it's like religion - everyone thinks their way is right.'
Her position is that is a team mentality - namely, that further information will not change the 'side' one is on. If that is not true for you or some other members on this side - kudos!
However, team mentality (you might also think ingroup/outgroup) is incredibly prevalent in society - from what sports team you root for down to clothing or food brands you consume. This is part of why branding works, and also inter-relates with xenophobia. It's natural, even if its not good. And the interesting thing is that facts often do NOT change preconceived notions. Namely, we will believe what we believe regardless of the facts of the situation. This also comes from our tendency to seek information supporting our position rather than contrary to it. Humans do not like to admit we are wrong.
Thus the argument between cardio and weight lifting isn't so much about who's right as it is about 'which team am I rooting for?'
Yup, good points. Confirmation bias is definitely on display here as well as tribalism.
But as long as people are interested in evidence, I'm still in.
Unlike religion, I think this is worth discussing here. We have special groups for people who don't want to consider alternate points of view (good and bad reasons for that).0 -
People need to loosen up in this thread. It's only proving my point XD0
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Sunday Funday bump!0
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Why don't we try to find something we can all agree on? I assert that a mix of HIIT and steady state cardio will yield the maximum benefit for a cardio regime. What say you?0
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Everyone should lift or otherwise do some sort of resistance training as well as cardio...most people I know who are at all into fitness do both because they understand that having an all around good level of fitness requires both.
^ This.
The cardio bashing on this site has gotten a bit ridiculous, IMO.
I also don't judge others by what exercises they choose to do. Unless it's washing the dishes, cooking, or vacuuming. Sorry, but that ain't exercise.
^^^ YES! someone else that says washing dishes, cooking prep, and vacuuming isn't exercise!!!0 -
Everyone should lift or otherwise do some sort of resistance training as well as cardio...most people I know who are at all into fitness do both because they understand that having an all around good level of fitness requires both.
^ This.
The cardio bashing on this site has gotten a bit ridiculous, IMO.
I also don't judge others by what exercises they choose to do. Unless it's washing the dishes, cooking, or vacuuming. Sorry, but that ain't exercise.
I do backwards kicks and leg lifts while I wash dishes, squats while I cook, and dance while I vacuum... so those things to me ARE exercise :drinker:0 -
It's really the age-old way of validating something: You have to negate the other thing, and by negating it, you bring up whatever your thing is to a point where it becomes viable.
People do it with skinny people to validate larger sizes; they do it with vegetarians to validate meat; they do it with cardio to validate weight-lifting; they do it with whatever the hell they want, because it's the easiest, most obvious way to attempt to validate anything.
Doesn't make it accurate or true. It's just easy, and doesn't require a lot of thought.0 -
Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.
Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless0 -
Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.
Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless
Regardless of the OP's history, it's an interesting subject.
Your condescension is unwarranted.0 -
Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.
Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless
Regardless of the OP's history, it's an interesting subject.
Your condescension is unwarranted.
I would be much better to start a new subject with a better more focused goal. IMHO. The way the subject is framed, it causes the topic to dive all over the place. Hence the 350+ replies. etc..0 -
Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.
Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless
Regardless of the OP's history, it's an interesting subject.
Your condescension is unwarranted.
I would be much better to start a new subject with a better more focused goal. IMHO. The way the subject is framed, it causes the topic to dive all over the place. Hence the 350+ replies. etc..
And this... Displeases you in some way?0 -
Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.
Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless
Regardless of the OP's history, it's an interesting subject.
Your condescension is unwarranted.
I would be much better to start a new subject with a better more focused goal. IMHO. The way the subject is framed, it causes the topic to dive all over the place. Hence the 350+ replies. etc..
And this... Displeases you in some way?
Yes it does. Notice how many replies the OP has into this thread.
It upsets me that people create threads that are controversial and then sits back with a bowl of popcorn to watch the show.0 -
That's what makes it funny.Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.
Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless
Regardless of the OP's history, it's an interesting subject.
Your condescension is unwarranted.0 -
Please go read back through this thread and then tell me what position I've taken.
When you've completed that assignment, read your definition of plyometrics again and explain to me how using the stretch reflex in your calves isn't plyometric.
You mean the exact same stretch reflex used in jogging? So jogging is plyometric too? It's not a very tough concept, so I'll have to assume you are now just toying with me by playing dumb.
I think anyone following this understands your position and also your arrogant, uninformed tone as you commented on some of these responses.
But I'm not one to force others to take any position, so why don't you clearly spell yours out instead of attempting social dominance by handing out assignments?
Ignorant? Not really. Arrogant? Absolutely. But only because I know more than you.0 -
Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.
Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless
Regardless of the OP's history, it's an interesting subject.
Your condescension is unwarranted.
Ironic. I've yet to find any of your input warranted. But congrats on your 3 mins of speed rope mastery. You're a true warrior0 -
The funniest part about this thread is the fact that OP is a troll account.0
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I love running on a treadmill-- is that strange? I do a thirty minute hills routine on a treadmill maybe four times a week... or jump rope when I don't feel like running. It's a relaxing workout for non-weights days or just after a weights routine.
Anyway, I really enjoy both, personally, and I don't get the anti-cardio sentiment either.0 -
FalseWhen I realized I freakin' hated it. I still do cardio, but it's very brief, or very relaxed. No more jogging. Unless it's specifically being done to hang out with hot chicks. I am weak. I always make an exception for hot chicks.0 -
Look at OP's profile. Review previous threads.
Observe people making a big deal out of the subject........priceless
Regardless of the OP's history, it's an interesting subject.
Your condescension is unwarranted.
Ironic. I've yet to find any of your input warranted. But congrats on your 3 mins of speed rope mastery. You're a true warrior
Do you mean my general point, that doing some cardio helps with resistance training, or the part where I contradicted your assertion that skipping rope is a form of resistance training?
or are you just unclear on what "unwarranted" means?0 -
I think people who crap on about people shouldn't be doing cardio should shut up.
Cardio is awesome... when you find something you like.
I lift weights, I run, I do classes, I love the way it makes me feel.
Fitness is an all round deal, which includes flexibility, an also forgotten term.
Whoever said you have to get on the treadmill and walk away like a moron for an hour? Use your imagination.... there are more you tube videos than you could poke a stick at..... tabata is all about short workouts that send your heart rate through the roof in intervals and train your muscles.
Broaden your horizons, and the need to insult people who are just doing their thing just amazes me.
Sitting behind a keyboard and hurling insults is just soooooo easy hey.0
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