Sugar as evil
Options
Replies
-
I'd be willing to discuss sugar being evil if we are going to be talking about the history of the sugar industry and the Carribean slave trade.
Otherwise? No. Just....no.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=W9yPdhL6L3o0 -
What lustig is saying is the fructose without the fiber is the problem. While many here don't agree with him my ticker says different to each his own I guess. I eat paleo, workout six days a week and don't eat anything with HFCS and continue to lose and feel pretty great even having hashimoto's thyroid and on meds for that.
If you have Hashimoto's then low carb is often preferable. Paleo is generally low carb. It has nothing to do with HFCS. You have a medical condition that generally responds well to low carb. Not everyone has a medical condition.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
Why is HFCS and sucrose an issue?0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?
The blog post listed numerous resources to scientific journal articles.
0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?
Its a blog post with references cited. Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand. And Aragon does address the ethanol assertion.
Full text of the study you posted can be found here.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/226.full.pdf+html
Note, that the article admits that at a certain dose, ethanol and fructose has been shown to be beneficial and the negative effects are dose dependent.
I am confused about the comment about the epidemiological part of the lecture reference. You say its not important as it can only prove correlation - so you agree that this can be dismissed it appears.
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
0 -
The dose makes the poison. This is true of pretty much everything we ingest.
edited for spelling error.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?
Its a blog post with references cited. Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand. And Aragon does address the ethanol assertion.
Full text of the study you posted can be found here.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/226.full.pdf+html
Note, that the article admits that at a certain dose, ethanol and fructose has been shown to be beneficial and the negative effects are dose dependent.
I am confused about the comment about the epidemiological part of the lecture reference. You say its not important as it can only prove correlation - so you agree that this can be dismissed it appears.
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
The American Society for Nutrition does a lot of industry funded studies. The author is a consultant to the food and beverage industry and this was presented at a symposium partially funded by Corn Refiners Association.
I don't know about the actual merits of the argument, just wanted to note that.
0 -
-
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?
Its a blog post with references cited. Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand. And Aragon does address the ethanol assertion.
Full text of the study you posted can be found here.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/226.full.pdf+html
Note, that the article admits that at a certain dose, ethanol and fructose has been shown to be beneficial and the negative effects are dose dependent.
I am confused about the comment about the epidemiological part of the lecture reference. You say its not important as it can only prove correlation - so you agree that this can be dismissed it appears.
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
The American Society for Nutrition does a lot of industry funded studies. The author is a consultant to the food and beverage industry and this was presented at a symposium partially funded by Corn Refiners Association.
I don't know about the actual merits of the argument, just wanted to note that.
The authors affiliations does not make the article invalid - but it is something that should be borne in mind. However, it is completely in line with Aragons 'blog' who is not funded by them.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?
Its a blog post with references cited. Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand. And Aragon does address the ethanol assertion.
Full text of the study you posted can be found here.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/226.full.pdf+html
Note, that the article admits that at a certain dose, ethanol and fructose has been shown to be beneficial and the negative effects are dose dependent.
I am confused about the comment about the epidemiological part of the lecture reference. You say its not important as it can only prove correlation - so you agree that this can be dismissed it appears.
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?
Its a blog post with references cited. Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand. And Aragon does address the ethanol assertion.
Full text of the study you posted can be found here.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/226.full.pdf+html
Note, that the article admits that at a certain dose, ethanol and fructose has been shown to be beneficial and the negative effects are dose dependent.
I am confused about the comment about the epidemiological part of the lecture reference. You say its not important as it can only prove correlation - so you agree that this can be dismissed it appears.
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
The American Society for Nutrition does a lot of industry funded studies. The author is a consultant to the food and beverage industry and this was presented at a symposium partially funded by Corn Refiners Association.
I don't know about the actual merits of the argument, just wanted to note that.
The authors affiliations does not make the article invalid - but it is something that should be borne in mind. However, it is completely in line with Aragons 'blog' who is not funded by them.
I found Aragorns post quite sensible and informative. All the science - what do I know- lol, it gives me a headache. I'm not gonna worry about moderate sugar nor think it's healthy to eat a bunch of it. I bet something else kills me. Lol
0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?
Its a blog post with references cited. Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand. And Aragon does address the ethanol assertion.
Full text of the study you posted can be found here.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/226.full.pdf+html
Note, that the article admits that at a certain dose, ethanol and fructose has been shown to be beneficial and the negative effects are dose dependent.
I am confused about the comment about the epidemiological part of the lecture reference. You say its not important as it can only prove correlation - so you agree that this can be dismissed it appears.
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
The American Society for Nutrition does a lot of industry funded studies. The author is a consultant to the food and beverage industry and this was presented at a symposium partially funded by Corn Refiners Association.
I don't know about the actual merits of the argument, just wanted to note that.
The authors affiliations does not make the article invalid - but it is something that should be borne in mind. However, it is completely in line with Aragons 'blog' who is not funded by them.
I found Aragorns post quite sensible and informative. All the science - what do I know- lol, it gives me a headache. I'm not gonna worry about moderate sugar nor think it's healthy to eat a shitload of it. I bet something else kills me. Lol
I don't disagree at all. The published articles are all well and good, but blogs/articles that articulate things in a way that is easy to digest (but actually cite the sources for their assertions as well) are very welcome imo.
Be active, don't go overboard, eat a balanced diet, don't make it harder than it needs to be.
0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
just a blog post, that mostly argues about the epidemiological part of the lecture (which all in all is not that important since epidemiology can prove only correlation, not causation), but doesn't address the biochemical part (where it is explained why fructose is like "alcohol without the buzz"), while Lustig on the other hand has published his study in a peer reviewed journal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493539
You understand the difference between a blog post and a peer reviewed article, right?
Anyway, I actually could cosign the conclusions of the blog post, where Aragorn says: "The big picture solution is in managing total caloric balance with a predominance of minimally refined foods and sufficient physical activity". I totally agree, don't you?
Its a blog post with references cited. Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand. And Aragon does address the ethanol assertion.
Full text of the study you posted can be found here.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/226.full.pdf+html
Note, that the article admits that at a certain dose, ethanol and fructose has been shown to be beneficial and the negative effects are dose dependent.
I am confused about the comment about the epidemiological part of the lecture reference. You say its not important as it can only prove correlation - so you agree that this can be dismissed it appears.
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
The American Society for Nutrition does a lot of industry funded studies. The author is a consultant to the food and beverage industry and this was presented at a symposium partially funded by Corn Refiners Association.
I don't know about the actual merits of the argument, just wanted to note that.
The authors affiliations does not make the article invalid - but it is something that should be borne in mind. However, it is completely in line with Aragons 'blog' who is not funded by them.
I found Aragorns post quite sensible and informative. All the science - what do I know- lol, it gives me a headache. I'm not gonna worry about moderate sugar nor think it's healthy to eat a shitload of it. I bet something else kills me. Lol
I don't disagree at all. The published articles are all well and good, but blogs/articles that articulate things in a way that is easy to digest (but actually cite the sources for their assertions as well) are very welcome imo.
Be active, don't go overboard, eat a balanced diet, don't make it harder than it needs to be.
Yup, if I do that I feel great, just eat your veggies mama was right.
0 -
Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand.
In fact, I agreed with his overall conclusions, did you miss that?
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
Definitely, yes, much more serious, and please note that also this study doesn't deny that excess of fructose can be harmful, he says: "1 conclusion stands clear: fructose is safe at typical intake levels but can produce adverse metabolic effects when abused".
To be in the safe side, probably is enough to follow the USDA or AHA recommendations about limiting added sugar.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Just because its a blog, does not mean it should be dismissed out of hand.
In fact, I agreed with his overall conclusions, did you miss that?
Here is another link to a rebuttal to the fructose alarmism. Its a published article, so it should make you happier
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full
Definitely, yes, much more serious, and please note that also this study doesn't deny that excess of fructose can be harmful, he says: "1 conclusion stands clear: fructose is safe at typical intake levels but can produce adverse metabolic effects when abused".
To be in the safe side, probably is enough to follow the USDA or AHA recommendations about limiting added sugar.
I did not miss it.
I also saw that in the study - which is very different than the alarmist slant you get from Lustig - which is the point of the article and of Aragon's rebuttal of his claims.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Yeah, but according to dr Lustig fructose in fruit is fine, the problem is the fructose found in high-fructose corn syrup and sucrose (table sugar)christinev297 wrote: »Isn't fructose in fruit? :huh:
And honey. Don't forget honey, which has more fructose than many HFCS formulations.0 -
The more active you are, the less any of this stuff matters.
Which is yet another reason why it's good to be very active.
:drinker:
0 -
-1
-
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 391.3K Introduce Yourself
- 43.4K Getting Started
- 259.6K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.6K Food and Nutrition
- 47.3K Recipes
- 232.3K Fitness and Exercise
- 387 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.4K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 152.7K Motivation and Support
- 7.8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.2K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.2K MyFitnessPal Information
- 22 News and Announcements
- 911 Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.3K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions