Sugar as evil
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I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
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Ooops. There's a reason I did not go in to accounting. My mistake, as the recipe decided the torte fed two. I divided that number (2002) instead.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »4000 / 10 = 400. Did you do the macros as 1/10th or 1/20th?
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Hasn't this thread taken an interesting turn... At least we all are more aware where the coke and Heroin comes from, and also their manufacturing process
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Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?0 -
@Gianfranco_R , I can live with your befuddlement.
@Need2Exerc1se , have you heard of the Free Range Kids movement?
I just heard about the Free Range Kids movement from the perspective of parents in Maryland who had the cops called on them and now have "unsubstantiated" neglect on their records for letting their children walk to the park. This apparently happened due to a neighbor calling the police instead of talking to them about their kids walking to the park. It's a bizarre thing, for sure.
As for physical activities, kids definitely get less of it now. I substitute teach a few times a week and have repeatedly heard kids say that they never get PE unless there's a sub. At least in the district I'm in, the kids get a recess and lunch recess, so it's not like they don't have anything at all, but clearly it isn't enough.
My son is nearly 6 and they do PE twice a week at school. He also does a football (soccer) club after school once a week. In September, when his sister starts school, I'm going to take them both to swimming lessons too. We walk everywhere too...my husband doesn't even have a driving licence....but that's not rare in England. I just use my car for work and getting to the gym.
I'm a secondary school teacher and kids do PE twice a week, or more if they chose it for a GCSE option. (GCSEs are exams taken at age 16 which they study for in years 10 and 11).0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
What you mean is...yes Sara, you are talking crapola lol
You weren't far off, there's been a huge increase in synthetic cocaine analogues. It's moving from the field to the lab, quickly.-1 -
lthames0810 wrote: »In our neighborhood you would think it was a retirement community, you hardly ever see children outside playing and their probably 20+ children living in our subdivision.
I've noticed the opposite in mine. It seems like very recently my street has become infested with little kids. They are all out playing when I get home from work. It's a slow cautious drive the last hundred yards. Especially sweet is that there's a grandpa out there playing with them as often as not.
I was begining to think that things had turned back around and that kids were wanting to play outside again (and that parents were allowing it) but from reading other posts here, I guess that's not the case.
I notice there are a lot less children out than there used to be. Theres one family in my neighborhood that allows their kids to play outside (or whose kids want to play outside). They ride bikes and scooters around the block without a parent. I'm guessing ages 7-10. I didn't even know there were many kids until I was home one day before school was out.
I live in a pretty safe community. There aren't any more crimes going on now compared to when I was out riding my bike everywhere and exploring the woods with my friends until the street lights came on.
My toddler wants to be outside all the time. She loves it more than anything. I'm glad. Her father and I are very outdoorsy people.
Also..boy scouts near me are doing far less than they used to. My SO and was involved with his old pack a few years ago (he did environmental, outdoor, and science badges with them) but stopped because no one wanted to do anything. The kids didn't want to camp, go on bike trips, etc.. They just weren't interested.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
You brought it up, not me.
That's actually one reason I dislike the "clean eating" thing so much. It seems to me that in reality people who eat "clean" and those who don't eat pretty much the same, but some like to use the label and to call their various deviations from whatever rules they adopt as cheats. Using the label seems to be mainly a way to divide the forum into "us" and "them"--as is the frequent, false, and offensive claim that those who don't self identify as "clean" must not care about nutrition or eat Twinkies only.
It especially makes no sense when it comes to sharing recipes. Why would my recipes or ideas about dinner be worthless just because I have nothing against Quest bars or ice cream? They don't make it into my dinner recipes. So weird.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
LOL ironic post is ironic-1 -
This thread has gone in so many amazing directions. I've been educated, rolled my eyes, laughed, sighed. It's been a journey.0
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herrspoons wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
...but there are no vitamins at all, and very few minerals:herrspoons wrote: »This is nonsense. The nutrients in sugar, if we are talking about table sugar (sucrose), are glucose and fructose.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5592/2
And this is exactly what is usually called "empty calories"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calorie
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
Which do you think will kill you first - lack of glucose or lack of vitamin A?
But you won't die from not consuming glucose in your diet (as per your point on page 4 - dietary glucose is non-essential, as the body has the ability to produce its own) !!! so Vit A I would guess.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
...but there are no vitamins at all, and very few minerals:herrspoons wrote: »This is nonsense. The nutrients in sugar, if we are talking about table sugar (sucrose), are glucose and fructose.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5592/2
And this is exactly what is usually called "empty calories"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calorie
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
Which do you think will kill you first - lack of glucose or lack of vitamin A?
But you won't die from not consuming glucose in your diet (as per your point on page 4 - dietary glucose is non-essential, as the body has the ability to produce its own) !!! so Vit A I would guess.
But "lack of glucose" (hypoglycemia) is more lethal in the short term. One of my biggest fears as type 1 diabetic is that I could go to bed with a completely normal BG, for some reason experience severe hypoglycemia overnight, and die in my sleep. All it takes is for me to experience an undetected low early in the night that causes my liver to deplete its glycogen stores (the pancreas will release glucagon that then stimulates glycogen to be released from the liver), and then experience another episode of hypoglycemia later on in the night, and I might be SOL. Hypoglycemia can kill in hours.
I ended up finding the continuous glucose data of a type 1 diabetic who died due to overnight hypoglycemia (http://aace.metapress.com/content/r83l82x128h3v876/ -there's a full pdf version somewhere on google). He went to bed at an alright level, dropped into hypoglycemia ranges early in the night, then came up a bit as the liver released some glycogen, dropped down into hypoglycemia ranges again, the liver released more glycogen. He then dropped into hypoglycemia ranges one last time, but his glycogen stores were depleted. He didn't wake up in time to treat the low, and he ended up passing away with a glucose level of about 10-12mg/dL.
Vitamin A is a fat-soluble vitamin. Any excess of the vitamin consumed will be stored in adipose tissue, which makes it a lot harder for deficiencies to occur (toxicity is more common, especially if one were to consume more than the safe upper limit of vitamin A). Water-soluble vitamins, on the other hand, have a higher risk of deficiency due to the body not storing any excess of the vitamin (they are filtered through the kidneys and excreted through urine).0 -
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.-1 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »
...but there are no vitamins at all, and very few minerals:herrspoons wrote: »This is nonsense. The nutrients in sugar, if we are talking about table sugar (sucrose), are glucose and fructose.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5592/2
And this is exactly what is usually called "empty calories"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calorie
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
Which do you think will kill you first - lack of glucose or lack of vitamin A?
But you won't die from not consuming glucose in your diet (as per your point on page 4 - dietary glucose is non-essential, as the body has the ability to produce its own) !!! so Vit A I would guess.
But "lack of glucose" (hypoglycemia) is more lethal in the short term. One of my biggest fears as type 1 diabetic is that I could go to bed with a completely normal BG, for some reason experience severe hypoglycemia overnight, and die in my sleep. All it takes is for me to experience an undetected low early in the night that causes my liver to deplete its glycogen stores (the pancreas will release glucagon that then stimulates glycogen to be released from the liver), and then experience another episode of hypoglycemia later on in the night, and I might be SOL. Hypoglycemia can kill in hours.
I ended up finding the continuous glucose data of a type 1 diabetic who died due to overnight hypoglycemia (http://aace.metapress.com/content/r83l82x128h3v876/ -there's a full pdf version somewhere on google). He went to bed at an alright level, dropped into hypoglycemia ranges early in the night, then came up a bit as the liver released some glycogen, dropped down into hypoglycemia ranges again, the liver released more glycogen. He then dropped into hypoglycemia ranges one last time, but his glycogen stores were depleted. He didn't wake up in time to treat the low, and he ended up passing away with a glucose level of about 10-12mg/dL.
Vitamin A is a fat-soluble vitamin. Any excess of the vitamin consumed will be stored in adipose tissue, which makes it a lot harder for deficiencies to occur (toxicity is more common, especially if one were to consume more than the safe upper limit of vitamin A). Water-soluble vitamins, on the other hand, have a higher risk of deficiency due to the body not storing any excess of the vitamin (they are filtered through the kidneys and excreted through urine).
I suppose it was a loaded question (the natural assumption would be based on 'lack of' as in 'consuming through diet') based on the fact this thread is about consuming food.
And also the assumption it is based on a person in normal health, regards glycogen production (otherwise you could argue that everyone avoiding peanuts on a paleo style diet is sensible based on nut allergies and the risk of anaphylactic shock).
But that aside I am not advocating not eating sugar or carbs in general, was just answering the question and pointing out carbs are optimal, but not essential. As was pointed out on page 4.0 -
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?
Yup, he did. From the day he appeared on this forum that's been his tactic. Just flopping back and forth then attempting to disguise it as "playing devils advocate".
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.
I'm creating my own utopia who's economy is fueled by gelato.
Can I apply for a Visa?-1 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?
Yup, he did. From the day he appeared on this forum that's been his tactic. Just flopping back and forth then attempting to disguise it as "playing devils advocate".
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.
I'm creating my own utopia who's economy is fueled by gelato.
do you allow immigrants?-1 -
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It's your Utopia- technically you can do what you want.Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?
Yup, he did. From the day he appeared on this forum that's been his tactic. Just flopping back and forth then attempting to disguise it as "playing devils advocate".
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.
I'm creating my own utopia who's economy is fueled by gelato.
Can I apply for a Visa?
Of course. However the interview process is vigorous. Leo is head of security.Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?
Yup, he did. From the day he appeared on this forum that's been his tactic. Just flopping back and forth then attempting to disguise it as "playing devils advocate".
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.
I'm creating my own utopia who's economy is fueled by gelato.
do you allow immigrants?
Of course, considering the origin of some of the best Gelato out the it would be hypocritical of me to import their products but not allow people to come.
But I'm willing to under go the aforementioned vigorous interrogating to make it into the gelato Utopia.-1 -
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It's your Utopia- technically you can do what you want.Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?
Yup, he did. From the day he appeared on this forum that's been his tactic. Just flopping back and forth then attempting to disguise it as "playing devils advocate".
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.
I'm creating my own utopia who's economy is fueled by gelato.
Can I apply for a Visa?
Of course. However the interview process is vigorous. Leo is head of security.Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?
Yup, he did. From the day he appeared on this forum that's been his tactic. Just flopping back and forth then attempting to disguise it as "playing devils advocate".
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.
I'm creating my own utopia who's economy is fueled by gelato.
do you allow immigrants?
Of course, considering the origin of some of the best Gelato out the it would be hypocritical of me to import their products but not allow people to come.
But I'm willing to under go the aforementioned vigorous interrogating to make it into the gelato Utopia.
I have set up your appointment. Unfortunately you are going to have to wait until our head of security wakes up. I don't condone sleeping on the job, I think he's taking this utopia thing a little to far.
Hahaha. I'm definitely joining this utopia as well. I'll bring bacon to bribe Leo. Who doesn't like bacon?!
And as a random side note, the Taliban actually prevented the growing and sale of poppies, so the heroin production was almost non-existant under their rule. Now that we are in charge (or were until we pulled out and now their new government), heroin export is rampant. And yes, the funds do seem to filter through the drug lords back to the Taliban (which is odd since it would be against their religion and they were opposed to the poppy production).
And sugar is not evil.0 -
Sugar is not good for you, and most people eat way to much, and it is hard to cut back on since it is in everything - read your labels and you will see. There are studies that have linked excess sugar consumption to cholesterol and triglyceride levels. I would not make yourself crazy, however being mindful is a good thing. Choose to get your sugar from fruit, etc, and stay away from things that are not good for you anyway on your path for weight loss and good health - and have your occasional treat.0
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*sigh* my eyessss
heroine
the other heroin
I had no idea that there were synthetic analogues for natural cocaine. I wonder which is better?0 -
Sugar is not good for you, and most people eat way to much, and it is hard to cut back on since it is in everything - read your labels and you will see. There are studies that have linked excess sugar consumption to cholesterol and triglyceride levels. I would not make yourself crazy, however being mindful is a good thing. Choose to get your sugar from fruit, etc, and stay away from things that are not good for you anyway on your path for weight loss and good health - and have your occasional treat.
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Hm. I've seen obesity linked to cholesterol and triglyceride levels. I think we underestimate the effects of chronic stress and cortisol. But I don't see sugar listed as a cause. Source?0
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I'd like to think heroine and heroin are interchangeable. in my utopia.0
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It's your Utopia- technically you can do what you want.Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?
Yup, he did. From the day he appeared on this forum that's been his tactic. Just flopping back and forth then attempting to disguise it as "playing devils advocate".
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
*sigh* …
so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.
I'm creating my own utopia who's economy is fueled by gelato.
Can I apply for a Visa?
Of course. However the interview process is vigorous. Leo is head of security.Gianfranco_R wrote: »
Well probably this is the problem with these forums: the idea that people have to be divided in different "camps", and fight.lemurcat12 wrote: »I thought I was in the "pro sugar" camp,
But weren't you the one to mention the 'pro sugar folks' in the first place, along with some comment about parents, or did I miss someone else bring it up first?
Yup, he did. From the day he appeared on this forum that's been his tactic. Just flopping back and forth then attempting to disguise it as "playing devils advocate".
It's a bigger part of their economy than wheat is for us- if we were to seriously stem the tide of heroine coming out of there we would LITERALLY cripple their economy- which is obviously- an issue as you mentioned. LOL
I believe heroin is one of the major exports from Afghanistan actually.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
They're only addicted to added cocaine. Naturally-occurring cocaine is totally fine.womanofgod4893 wrote: »Im addicted to sugar so I avoid anything with added sugar in it. I eat fruits but cereal, granola bars, & a lit of breads I dont eat. And if I do, it'll be on a cheat day. I know my body well and if I have sugar I might overdo it and have too much.
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so you treat your sugar addiction with more sugar? Does that mean crack heads can treat their addiction with more cocaine????????
rigggggghhhhhhhhhhht …because cocaine from a plant = good…crack = cooked so bad?
Actually, I believe that most cocaine nowadays is artificially produced. Something to do with burning all the poppy fields creating a shortage.
But I could be talking crapola as its something I remember hearing/reading.
I don't think that's accurate. The Mexican government has been cracking down but the smugglers still get it and also from other countries. Also, poppy is the source of heroin not cocaine.
Yea it is. And unfortunately, and not that I think anyone should be making money of that, but that supply funds the Taliban which makes it even worse.
Ah- the delicate nature of other people's economy's.
I'm creating my own utopia who's economy is fueled by gelato.
do you allow immigrants?
Of course, considering the origin of some of the best Gelato out the it would be hypocritical of me to import their products but not allow people to come.
But I'm willing to under go the aforementioned vigorous interrogating to make it into the gelato Utopia.
I have set up your appointment. Unfortunately you are going to have to wait until our head of security wakes up. I don't condone sleeping on the job, I think he's taking this utopia thing a little to far.
According to Charlotte, I give excellent belleh rubs. When the Head of Security awakens, I'm hoping he's amenable to an interview.0
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