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    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      scottacular wrote: »
      This common sense thread is getting saved to my bookmarks so I can retreat to it when I'm overwhelmed by all the bro-science and BS (same thing I guess) on here.

      Lol Cosigned
    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish wrote: »
      Actually, if you want to play the probability game, they probably are in your category #1 and sedentary and obese, and probably are building a little bit of muscle, because even 30 mins of exercise is significant for a previously sedentary obese person. They are also probably not weighing their food and are probably not really on 1200 calories, but more like 1600-2200 calories. But, all in all, they are actually in a good space, a sedentary new exerciser building a small amount of muscle and not gaining weight, maybe just encourage them to start lifting and weigh their food?

      Yes, standard response is to get a food scale, log everything , and get on structured lifting program...

      I just don't see anyone adding any muscle on cardio only program, as some seem be on...
    • Posts: 5,646 Member
      ndj1979 wrote: »
      Going to lay this one out there, because lately it seems like I am seeing this one a lot and it makes my head hurt.

      It usually goes a little something like this…

      OP comes into thread and says they are not losing and are on a 1200 calorie diet and are doing 30 minutes a day of "exercise", which does not involve a lifting program where one progressively lifts heavier weights.
      Posters come into the thread and say "oh, you are just gaining muscle"

      Sigh, I am sorry but a 1200 calories diet and doing a 30 minute a day cardio based program that MAY have some resistance training built into it, you are not gaining muscle.

      Can you build muscle in a calorie deficit? Yes, you can but it is usually limited to two populations…

      1. The obese beginner that starts out and is doing weight training where they lift progressively heavier things.
      2. High performance athletes.

      For the 90% of the rest of us we are not going to build muscle in a deficit.

      Building muscle is hard work, and the fact that some think that it will just magically appear on a 1200 to 1400 calorie diet drives me crazy.

      Oh you and your pesky science :p

      But what about this? I bought some bread yesterday that is called 'fitness bread'*. Eating that is going to instantly make me buff, right???*


      (*ingredients sounded yum)
    • Posts: 17,456 Member
      please now address the concept of "toning" as in I only want to "tone"
    • Posts: 7,682 Member
      jemhh wrote: »
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      Lol. The pump comes on strong when you start targeting glutes. I started Strong Curves in a cut and noticed it. Plus it tends to stick around between workouts because you mindlessly start flexing your glutes more.
      I get what you are saying but she was trying to say she was growing new muscle that was not there before .not building them up or burning fat but growing brand new muscle she didnt have before.she was like I know what muscle I had there before and this is new it wasnt there before.
    • Posts: 15,573 Member
      I love this. I get upset when I see so many posters respond this way, especially if someone with experience doesn't catch it and chime in. I just don't want people who are trying to lose weight to assume "it's muscle", because you SHOULD see the scale move-even if you've added exercise and are retaining water, it should be moving down. And if it's not, then something in your diet needs to be fixed.
    • Posts: 14,260 Member
      edited March 2015
      CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
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      I get what you are saying but she was trying to say she was growing new muscle that was not there before .not building them up or burning fat but growing brand new muscle she didnt have before.she was like I know what muscle I had there before and this is new it wasnt there before.

      I understood what you were saying just fine. Muscle pump = increased bloodflow to muscles, not increased muscle tissue. A lot of people (esp. newbs) confuse the two.
    • Posts: 7,682 Member
      why would the scale go down if retaining water? it will go up. water retention and weight going up on the scale does not always mean something in your diet needs fixed. your weight can fluctuate(that time of the month,aggressive exercise,weight training,etc) and you retain up to 10lbs of water so its going to reflect on the scale.just because you gain weight doesnt mean its fat.my weight fluctuates day to day sometimes up to 5lbs difference I know its just a fluctuation/water weight or due to inflammation having RA.also for beginners it may take a month or more just to lose weight(or see it on the scale) I lost the inches before I saw a difference on the scale.
    • Posts: 1,938 Member
      edited March 2015
      rabbitjb wrote: »
      please now address the concept of "toning" as in I only want to "tone"

      +1 because don't want to get accidentally gross and She-hulk by lifting more than 4 pounds. (because lifting toddlers, bags of pet food/litter, and furniture when vacuuming don't count BECAUSE LADYJOBS)
    • Posts: 3,133 Member
      You're a damn bully.

      You're cramming your beliefs down peoples throats!!!

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    • Posts: 17,857 Member
      Nony_Mouse wrote: »
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      Oh you and your pesky science :p

      But what about this? I bought some bread yesterday that is called 'fitness bread'*. Eating that is going to instantly make me buff, right???*


      (*ingredients sounded yum)
      Not if it's white bread, because white bread is crap.
    • Posts: 17,857 Member
      rabbitjb wrote: »
      please now address the concept of "toning" as in I only want to "tone"
      That only happens if you are following a strength toning program.
    • Posts: 270 Member
      Thank you! I hate when people say that.
      EWJLang wrote: »
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      +1 because don't want to get accidentally gross and She-hulk by lifting more than 4 pounds. (because lifting toddlers, bags of pet food/litter, and furniture when vacuuming don't count BECAUSE LADYJOBS)
      Also, I love this!
    • Posts: 3,133 Member
      rabbitjb wrote: »
      please now address the concept of "toning" as in I only want to "tone"

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      Am I doing it rite?!
    • Posts: 17,857 Member
      EWJLang wrote: »
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      +1 because don't want to get accidentally gross and She-hulk by lifting more than 4 pounds. (because lifting toddlers, bags of pet food/litter, and furniture when vacuuming don't count BECAUSE LADYJOBS)

      I do all of these, plus the grocery shopping and cooking and dishes. When will my new boobs grow in, and when should I expect my first period?
    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      PrizePopple wrote: »
      You're a damn bully.

      You're cramming your beliefs down peoples throats!!!

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      i know….heaven forbid I inject knowledge into the forums...
    • Posts: 15,573 Member
      PrizePopple wrote: »
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      51KfMb1W-rL._SX342_.jpg

      Am I doing it rite?!

      Ugh. If I had only known. I wouldn't have spent so much time doing 100 crunches a day to tone my belly if I could just rub this on me.
    • Posts: 4,301 Member
      LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
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      Not if it's white bread, because white bread is crap.

      I think this is only in Ireland. Where crap means something else. . . .hehehehe
    • Posts: 3,198 Member
      Lol at "Strength Toning program"!
    • Posts: 1,938 Member
      LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
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      I do all of these, plus the grocery shopping and cooking and dishes. When will my new boobs grow in, and when should I expect my first period?

      I don't know, but you may have just made me a lesbian.
    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      Nony_Mouse wrote: »
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      Oh you and your pesky science :p

      But what about this? I bought some bread yesterday that is called 'fitness bread'*. Eating that is going to instantly make me buff, right???*


      (*ingredients sounded yum)

      yes, bulkiness is in your future...
    • Posts: 3,133 Member
      ndj1979 wrote: »
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      i know….heaven forbid I inject knowledge into the forums...


      That's like the best thing you could inject anywhere. :D



    • Posts: 35
      I gain muscle... and I am not a newbie. I am obese but have been lifting for 4 years. I wore the same clothes (not just the same size, but some of the same exact clothes) at 320 as I had years earlier at 270. I am currently on a deficit and had a new personal record for bench press as well as going up on deadlift weight today.
    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      Testami73 wrote: »
      I gain muscle... and I am not a newbie. I am obese but have been lifting for 4 years. I wore the same clothes (not just the same size, but some of the same exact clothes) at 320 as I had years earlier at 270. I am currently on a deficit and had a new personal record for bench press as well as going up on deadlift weight today.

      strength gains do not equal muscle gains.

      you can train your muscles to perform better and lift more efficiently, but that does not mean you have added new muscle.

      do you have before and after measurements from 320, to 300 to 270???
    • Posts: 35
      I do not have measurements from when I was 270 (in 2003 after a VLCD and cardio only.) I do have them from 396 -> 320. I haven't taken new measurements anytime recently. Will do that again eventually. I have been trusting how my clothes fit and the strength increases.
    • Posts: 5,646 Member
      ndj1979 wrote: »
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      yes, bulkiness is in your future...

      Thanks Magic 8 Ball!!!
    • Posts: 19,809 Member
      Can we not drag this into the tired old "someone says they gained muscle in a deficit so they MUST be wrong" thing? Please!
      There are so many variables that it would be nice if we could have sensible discussions without trying to disprove everyone.


      Brad Schoenfeld
      There is no question that even advanced lifters can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. However, you CANNOT maximize hypertrophy while losing fat. Important distinction.


    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      sijomial wrote: »
      Can we not drag this into the tired old "someone says they gained muscle in a deficit so they MUST be wrong" thing? Please!
      There are so many variables that it would be nice if we could have sensible discussions without trying to disprove everyone.


      Brad Schoenfeld
      There is no question that even advanced lifters can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. However, you CANNOT maximize hypertrophy while losing fat. Important distinction.


      I don't disagree..

      I just highly doubt that most people asking about this are in the "advanced lifter" category.

    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      Testami73 wrote: »
      I do not have measurements from when I was 270 (in 2003 after a VLCD and cardio only.) I do have them from 396 -> 320. I haven't taken new measurements anytime recently. Will do that again eventually. I have been trusting how my clothes fit and the strength increases.

      I don't doubt that you have had some gains. However, after four years of lifting any newbie gains would of been in the first year….

    • Posts: 35
      Can you define what you mean by newbie gains? Thanks.
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