it is probably not "muscle"
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Not if it's white bread, because white bread is crap.Nony_Mouse wrote: »Going to lay this one out there, because lately it seems like I am seeing this one a lot and it makes my head hurt.
It usually goes a little something like this…
OP comes into thread and says they are not losing and are on a 1200 calorie diet and are doing 30 minutes a day of "exercise", which does not involve a lifting program where one progressively lifts heavier weights.
Posters come into the thread and say "oh, you are just gaining muscle"
Sigh, I am sorry but a 1200 calories diet and doing a 30 minute a day cardio based program that MAY have some resistance training built into it, you are not gaining muscle.
Can you build muscle in a calorie deficit? Yes, you can but it is usually limited to two populations…
1. The obese beginner that starts out and is doing weight training where they lift progressively heavier things.
2. High performance athletes.
For the 90% of the rest of us we are not going to build muscle in a deficit.
Building muscle is hard work, and the fact that some think that it will just magically appear on a 1200 to 1400 calorie diet drives me crazy.
Oh you and your pesky science
But what about this? I bought some bread yesterday that is called 'fitness bread'*. Eating that is going to instantly make me buff, right???*
(*ingredients sounded yum)
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Thank you! I hate when people say that.
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I do all of these, plus the grocery shopping and cooking and dishes. When will my new boobs grow in, and when should I expect my first period?-1 -
PrizePopple wrote: »You're a damn bully.
You're cramming your beliefs down peoples throats!!!
i know….heaven forbid I inject knowledge into the forums...0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »
Ugh. If I had only known. I wouldn't have spent so much time doing 100 crunches a day to tone my belly if I could just rub this on me.-1 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
Not if it's white bread, because white bread is crap.Nony_Mouse wrote: »Going to lay this one out there, because lately it seems like I am seeing this one a lot and it makes my head hurt.
It usually goes a little something like this…
OP comes into thread and says they are not losing and are on a 1200 calorie diet and are doing 30 minutes a day of "exercise", which does not involve a lifting program where one progressively lifts heavier weights.
Posters come into the thread and say "oh, you are just gaining muscle"
Sigh, I am sorry but a 1200 calories diet and doing a 30 minute a day cardio based program that MAY have some resistance training built into it, you are not gaining muscle.
Can you build muscle in a calorie deficit? Yes, you can but it is usually limited to two populations…
1. The obese beginner that starts out and is doing weight training where they lift progressively heavier things.
2. High performance athletes.
For the 90% of the rest of us we are not going to build muscle in a deficit.
Building muscle is hard work, and the fact that some think that it will just magically appear on a 1200 to 1400 calorie diet drives me crazy.
Oh you and your pesky science
But what about this? I bought some bread yesterday that is called 'fitness bread'*. Eating that is going to instantly make me buff, right???*
(*ingredients sounded yum)
I think this is only in Ireland. Where crap means something else. . . .hehehehe
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Lol at "Strength Toning program"!0
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
I do all of these, plus the grocery shopping and cooking and dishes. When will my new boobs grow in, and when should I expect my first period?
I don't know, but you may have just made me a lesbian.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Going to lay this one out there, because lately it seems like I am seeing this one a lot and it makes my head hurt.
It usually goes a little something like this…
OP comes into thread and says they are not losing and are on a 1200 calorie diet and are doing 30 minutes a day of "exercise", which does not involve a lifting program where one progressively lifts heavier weights.
Posters come into the thread and say "oh, you are just gaining muscle"
Sigh, I am sorry but a 1200 calories diet and doing a 30 minute a day cardio based program that MAY have some resistance training built into it, you are not gaining muscle.
Can you build muscle in a calorie deficit? Yes, you can but it is usually limited to two populations…
1. The obese beginner that starts out and is doing weight training where they lift progressively heavier things.
2. High performance athletes.
For the 90% of the rest of us we are not going to build muscle in a deficit.
Building muscle is hard work, and the fact that some think that it will just magically appear on a 1200 to 1400 calorie diet drives me crazy.
Oh you and your pesky science
But what about this? I bought some bread yesterday that is called 'fitness bread'*. Eating that is going to instantly make me buff, right???*
(*ingredients sounded yum)
yes, bulkiness is in your future...0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »You're a damn bully.
You're cramming your beliefs down peoples throats!!!
i know….heaven forbid I inject knowledge into the forums...
That's like the best thing you could inject anywhere.
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I gain muscle... and I am not a newbie. I am obese but have been lifting for 4 years. I wore the same clothes (not just the same size, but some of the same exact clothes) at 320 as I had years earlier at 270. I am currently on a deficit and had a new personal record for bench press as well as going up on deadlift weight today.0
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I gain muscle... and I am not a newbie. I am obese but have been lifting for 4 years. I wore the same clothes (not just the same size, but some of the same exact clothes) at 320 as I had years earlier at 270. I am currently on a deficit and had a new personal record for bench press as well as going up on deadlift weight today.
strength gains do not equal muscle gains.
you can train your muscles to perform better and lift more efficiently, but that does not mean you have added new muscle.
do you have before and after measurements from 320, to 300 to 270???0 -
I do not have measurements from when I was 270 (in 2003 after a VLCD and cardio only.) I do have them from 396 -> 320. I haven't taken new measurements anytime recently. Will do that again eventually. I have been trusting how my clothes fit and the strength increases.0
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Going to lay this one out there, because lately it seems like I am seeing this one a lot and it makes my head hurt.
It usually goes a little something like this…
OP comes into thread and says they are not losing and are on a 1200 calorie diet and are doing 30 minutes a day of "exercise", which does not involve a lifting program where one progressively lifts heavier weights.
Posters come into the thread and say "oh, you are just gaining muscle"
Sigh, I am sorry but a 1200 calories diet and doing a 30 minute a day cardio based program that MAY have some resistance training built into it, you are not gaining muscle.
Can you build muscle in a calorie deficit? Yes, you can but it is usually limited to two populations…
1. The obese beginner that starts out and is doing weight training where they lift progressively heavier things.
2. High performance athletes.
For the 90% of the rest of us we are not going to build muscle in a deficit.
Building muscle is hard work, and the fact that some think that it will just magically appear on a 1200 to 1400 calorie diet drives me crazy.
Oh you and your pesky science
But what about this? I bought some bread yesterday that is called 'fitness bread'*. Eating that is going to instantly make me buff, right???*
(*ingredients sounded yum)
yes, bulkiness is in your future...
Thanks Magic 8 Ball!!!0 -
Can we not drag this into the tired old "someone says they gained muscle in a deficit so they MUST be wrong" thing? Please!
There are so many variables that it would be nice if we could have sensible discussions without trying to disprove everyone.
Brad Schoenfeld
There is no question that even advanced lifters can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. However, you CANNOT maximize hypertrophy while losing fat. Important distinction.
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Can we not drag this into the tired old "someone says they gained muscle in a deficit so they MUST be wrong" thing? Please!
There are so many variables that it would be nice if we could have sensible discussions without trying to disprove everyone.
Brad Schoenfeld
There is no question that even advanced lifters can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. However, you CANNOT maximize hypertrophy while losing fat. Important distinction.
I don't disagree..
I just highly doubt that most people asking about this are in the "advanced lifter" category.
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I do not have measurements from when I was 270 (in 2003 after a VLCD and cardio only.) I do have them from 396 -> 320. I haven't taken new measurements anytime recently. Will do that again eventually. I have been trusting how my clothes fit and the strength increases.
I don't doubt that you have had some gains. However, after four years of lifting any newbie gains would of been in the first year….
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Can you define what you mean by newbie gains? Thanks.0
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