Yep, male chauvanism still exists
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Doesn't protect you from the chauvinism though. If you had a boss that was a chauvinist and you were up for a promotion versus a male with less results, you probably wouldn't get it.Akimajuktuq wrote: »Yup, that's why I'm single.
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LMAO. I've met lots of guys who can't even change a flat tire correctly. First priority I'm gonna teach my DD how to do when she's able to drive.Ask him what the hell he's doing at the gym, wasn't he supposed to be mowing the lawn and cleaning the gutters? He doesn't have time to work that fat *kitten* off, he's got lawnwork to do.
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Once I was old enough to drive, my dad taught me how to change my own tire, change my own oil, and would quiz me on what was under the hood, and what it did. Some of the most useful lessons I've ever had, especially when I managed to get 2 flats within 24 hours of each other. It's also useful that I learned on a stick shift in a big *kitten* truck. Because I really like driving my truck!
I'm jealous that you had that opportunity!
I think the quizzing and learning how to fix it can totally happen prior to learning to drive lol.
If I have kids, I'm totally gonna do my best to teach them life skills when they're like 14. Like how to fix a button, make BBQ chicken, etc. When I first moved out on my own, I was calling my gram on how to cook something, I still do sometimes but soooo much when I first moved out lol0 -
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Every relationship set it's own boundaries. My wife and I both work. We share the household duties. None of which are gender specific. I cook. We both clean. She's handier than I am. I sometimes tell people I am just there for culinary, security and transportation.
Personally, I don't care what others think. It works for us. If your situation works for you, that's all that counts.
My wife is the brains in this endeavor. I'm there to do some of the heavy lifting.0 -
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lishie_rebooted wrote: »
LMAO. I've met lots of guys who can't even change a flat tire correctly. First priority I'm gonna teach my DD how to do when she's able to drive.Ask him what the hell he's doing at the gym, wasn't he supposed to be mowing the lawn and cleaning the gutters? He doesn't have time to work that fat *kitten* off, he's got lawnwork to do.
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Once I was old enough to drive, my dad taught me how to change my own tire, change my own oil, and would quiz me on what was under the hood, and what it did. Some of the most useful lessons I've ever had, especially when I managed to get 2 flats within 24 hours of each other. It's also useful that I learned on a stick shift in a big *kitten* truck. Because I really like driving my truck!
I'm jealous that you had that opportunity!
I think the quizzing and learning how to fix it can totally happen prior to learning to drive lol.
If I have kids, I'm totally gonna do my best to teach them life skills when they're like 14. Like how to fix a button, make BBQ chicken, etc. When I first moved out on my own, I was calling my gram on how to cook something, I still do sometimes but soooo much when I first moved out lol
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lishie_rebooted wrote: »
LMAO. I've met lots of guys who can't even change a flat tire correctly. First priority I'm gonna teach my DD how to do when she's able to drive.Ask him what the hell he's doing at the gym, wasn't he supposed to be mowing the lawn and cleaning the gutters? He doesn't have time to work that fat *kitten* off, he's got lawnwork to do.
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Once I was old enough to drive, my dad taught me how to change my own tire, change my own oil, and would quiz me on what was under the hood, and what it did. Some of the most useful lessons I've ever had, especially when I managed to get 2 flats within 24 hours of each other. It's also useful that I learned on a stick shift in a big *kitten* truck. Because I really like driving my truck!
I'm jealous that you had that opportunity!
I think the quizzing and learning how to fix it can totally happen prior to learning to drive lol.
If I have kids, I'm totally gonna do my best to teach them life skills when they're like 14. Like how to fix a button, make BBQ chicken, etc. When I first moved out on my own, I was calling my gram on how to cook something, I still do sometimes but soooo much when I first moved out lol
please start before that age. we took in a foster at that age (shes 17 now) and i dont know what her egg donor did the first 14 years, but it sure wasn't teach her any life skills!!!!!!!!! She had literally never vacuumed or taken the garbage out! She hadn't even ever made COOKIES! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
my kids (girls and boys) clean, cook, do yard work, learn to fix things, etc. I'm not rearing idiots.0 -
some people.. i think it's great what you do.. my husband and i work opposite shifts (mostly cause his job hasn't had any daytime openings) and have 2 grown boys and we split the chores.. nothing wrong with being the stay home parent.. my husband is an awesome cook and he will prepare me dinner so all i have to do when i get home from work and being at the gym all i have to do is reheat...0
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My youngest is heading off to college in a bit over 2 years (hopefully). It is my goal to become a stay at home dad right around that time ...0
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CJisinShape wrote: »Is it male chauvinism or is it his personal feelings about his preference?
This is America, right? We are allowed to have opinions? Why does a label have to thrown at people who have a different opinion than our own?
It is male chauvinism when he says it's what a woman is supposed to do. Why is it up to him to decide what a woman does? The answer is it isn't. It isn't any of his business. If he feels like less of a man because he isn't "bringing home the bacon" that's his personal feelings. But to think that a woman has specific things she can or can not do is chauvinistic.CJisinShape wrote: »Is it male chauvinism or is it his personal feelings about his preference?
This is America, right? We are allowed to have opinions? Why does a label have to thrown at people who have a different opinion than our own?
It is male chauvinism when he says it's what a woman is supposed to do. Why is it up to him to decide what a woman does? The answer is it isn't. It isn't any of his business. If he feels like less of a man because he isn't "bringing home the bacon" that's his personal feelings. But to think that a woman has specific things she can or can not do is chauvinistic.
He's simply expressing his worldview, one of traditional gender roles.
A man who says a woman can't do XYZ because she's a woman, spanks her on the butt and asks her to go fetch his coffee - that's more what I'd consider to be a male chauvinist.
I think people are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too quick to slap a label on people when they simply.have.a.different.opinion.
The OP made a decision that works best for his family. That decision is counter-cultural. So they endure a label "Mr. Mom," lady wears the pants, etc. The response? Throw another label?
Why can't people just be?
I have made a lot of counter-cultural decisions and see this label throwing, i.e. NAME CALLING on both sides.
The dude that said what he said was engaging in a p*ssing contest - typical male posturing.
Women have their own version they do.
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callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »
LMAO. I've met lots of guys who can't even change a flat tire correctly. First priority I'm gonna teach my DD how to do when she's able to drive.Ask him what the hell he's doing at the gym, wasn't he supposed to be mowing the lawn and cleaning the gutters? He doesn't have time to work that fat *kitten* off, he's got lawnwork to do.
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Once I was old enough to drive, my dad taught me how to change my own tire, change my own oil, and would quiz me on what was under the hood, and what it did. Some of the most useful lessons I've ever had, especially when I managed to get 2 flats within 24 hours of each other. It's also useful that I learned on a stick shift in a big *kitten* truck. Because I really like driving my truck!
I'm jealous that you had that opportunity!
I think the quizzing and learning how to fix it can totally happen prior to learning to drive lol.
If I have kids, I'm totally gonna do my best to teach them life skills when they're like 14. Like how to fix a button, make BBQ chicken, etc. When I first moved out on my own, I was calling my gram on how to cook something, I still do sometimes but soooo much when I first moved out lol
please start before that age. we took in a foster at that age (shes 17 now) and i dont know what her egg donor did the first 14 years, but it sure wasn't teach her any life skills!!!!!!!!! She had literally never vacuumed or taken the garbage out! She hadn't even ever made COOKIES! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
my kids (girls and boys) clean, cook, do yard work, learn to fix things, etc. I'm not rearing idiots.
more than likely itll start earlier.
my school district required home ec and wood shop so in 7th & 8th grade, I learned some cooking/baking/sewing skills and some woodworking skills.
no lie, I feel ridiculous calling home and asking my gram or mom something, most recently: "how do I make beef stew? what kind of roast do I buy?" (I realize I can google things and I do if it's something I never ate as a kid but I like the way my gram makes BBQ chicken so I called her for help lol)
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CJisinShape wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Is it male chauvinism or is it his personal feelings about his preference?
This is America, right? We are allowed to have opinions? Why does a label have to thrown at people who have a different opinion than our own?
It is male chauvinism when he says it's what a woman is supposed to do. Why is it up to him to decide what a woman does? The answer is it isn't. It isn't any of his business. If he feels like less of a man because he isn't "bringing home the bacon" that's his personal feelings. But to think that a woman has specific things she can or can not do is chauvinistic.CJisinShape wrote: »Is it male chauvinism or is it his personal feelings about his preference?
This is America, right? We are allowed to have opinions? Why does a label have to thrown at people who have a different opinion than our own?
It is male chauvinism when he says it's what a woman is supposed to do. Why is it up to him to decide what a woman does? The answer is it isn't. It isn't any of his business. If he feels like less of a man because he isn't "bringing home the bacon" that's his personal feelings. But to think that a woman has specific things she can or can not do is chauvinistic.
He's simply expressing his worldview, one of traditional gender roles.
A man who says a woman can't do XYZ because she's a woman, spanks her on the butt and asks her to go fetch his coffee - that's more what I'd consider to be a male chauvinist.
I think people are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too quick to slap a label on people when they simply.have.a.different.opinion.
The OP made a decision that works best for his family. That decision is counter-cultural. So they endure a label "Mr. Mom," lady wears the pants, etc. The response? Throw another label?
Why can't people just be?
I have made a lot of counter-cultural decisions and see this label throwing, i.e. NAME CALLING on both sides.
The dude that said what he said was engaging in a p*ssing contest - typical male posturing.
Women have their own version they do.
This post made me chuckle.0 -
Afterward he could say, "I used to play fantasy football like you, but then I took a Muay Thai kick to the knee."
I don't believe in throat punching.machelle04 wrote: »Nice job on winning your fantasy football championship! Next question did you throat punch the idiot?
A disabling Muay Thai kick to the knee is a better choice.
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Politely disagree. A male inciting something a woman is SUPPOSED to do as a job (and not a male's job at that), is a chauvnist. Whether that's the intent or not doesn't minimize it.CJisinShape wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Is it male chauvinism or is it his personal feelings about his preference?
This is America, right? We are allowed to have opinions? Why does a label have to thrown at people who have a different opinion than our own?
It is male chauvinism when he says it's what a woman is supposed to do. Why is it up to him to decide what a woman does? The answer is it isn't. It isn't any of his business. If he feels like less of a man because he isn't "bringing home the bacon" that's his personal feelings. But to think that a woman has specific things she can or can not do is chauvinistic.CJisinShape wrote: »Is it male chauvinism or is it his personal feelings about his preference?
This is America, right? We are allowed to have opinions? Why does a label have to thrown at people who have a different opinion than our own?
It is male chauvinism when he says it's what a woman is supposed to do. Why is it up to him to decide what a woman does? The answer is it isn't. It isn't any of his business. If he feels like less of a man because he isn't "bringing home the bacon" that's his personal feelings. But to think that a woman has specific things she can or can not do is chauvinistic.
He's simply expressing his worldview, one of traditional gender roles.
A man who says a woman can't do XYZ because she's a woman, spanks her on the butt and asks her to go fetch his coffee - that's more what I'd consider to be a male chauvinist.
I think people are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too quick to slap a label on people when they simply.have.a.different.opinion.
The OP made a decision that works best for his family. That decision is counter-cultural. So they endure a label "Mr. Mom," lady wears the pants, etc. The response? Throw another label?
Why can't people just be?
I have made a lot of counter-cultural decisions and see this label throwing, i.e. NAME CALLING on both sides.
The dude that said what he said was engaging in a p*ssing contest - typical male posturing.
Women have their own version they do.
World view of women in Eastern countries are pretty male chauvinistic. You'd be hard pressed to find many women holding any positions of prestige in many of them due to the fact that they are women.
I don't mind the jokes made about being "Mr. Mom", "she wears the pants", etc. I do mind if they believe that it should be a females role ONLY though.
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Wait till you get a vasectomy. The jokes you hear after that from both genders. Sheesh. And not very original.0
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This just makes me want a Smart House.
So the house can make sandwiches.
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Politely disagree. A male inciting something a woman is SUPPOSED to do as a job (and not a male's job at that), is a chauvnist. Whether that's the intent or not doesn't minimize it.CJisinShape wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Is it male chauvinism or is it his personal feelings about his preference?
This is America, right? We are allowed to have opinions? Why does a label have to thrown at people who have a different opinion than our own?
It is male chauvinism when he says it's what a woman is supposed to do. Why is it up to him to decide what a woman does? The answer is it isn't. It isn't any of his business. If he feels like less of a man because he isn't "bringing home the bacon" that's his personal feelings. But to think that a woman has specific things she can or can not do is chauvinistic.CJisinShape wrote: »Is it male chauvinism or is it his personal feelings about his preference?
This is America, right? We are allowed to have opinions? Why does a label have to thrown at people who have a different opinion than our own?
It is male chauvinism when he says it's what a woman is supposed to do. Why is it up to him to decide what a woman does? The answer is it isn't. It isn't any of his business. If he feels like less of a man because he isn't "bringing home the bacon" that's his personal feelings. But to think that a woman has specific things she can or can not do is chauvinistic.
He's simply expressing his worldview, one of traditional gender roles.
A man who says a woman can't do XYZ because she's a woman, spanks her on the butt and asks her to go fetch his coffee - that's more what I'd consider to be a male chauvinist.
I think people are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too quick to slap a label on people when they simply.have.a.different.opinion.
The OP made a decision that works best for his family. That decision is counter-cultural. So they endure a label "Mr. Mom," lady wears the pants, etc. The response? Throw another label?
Why can't people just be?
I have made a lot of counter-cultural decisions and see this label throwing, i.e. NAME CALLING on both sides.
The dude that said what he said was engaging in a p*ssing contest - typical male posturing.
Women have their own version they do.
World view of women in Eastern countries are pretty male chauvinistic. You'd be hard pressed to find many women holding any positions of prestige in many of them due to the fact that they are women.
I don't mind the jokes made about being "Mr. Mom", "she wears the pants", etc. I do mind if they believe that it should be a females role ONLY though.
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I appreciate the respectfulness of your disagreement. If only your little guest had expressed himself as respectfully as you. I may be wrong - I often am.
I just find the labels - "Mr. Mom" or chauvinist, racist, sexist, classist, right-wing republican, flaming liberal, homophobe, dumb democrats, religious fundamentalist, crunchy, helicopter, tiger, etc., etc. to be a limiting box around which we put people in, that makes it easy to dismiss people and their opinions without giving them due consideration.
I appreciate your passion for women's freedom of lifestyle choice, so yay! I'm probably not qualified to discuss what is or is not male chauvinist because 1) I am neither of those and 2) I rarely identify myself with the boxes I check. I have a sex, gender, race, a political party I usually vote for, but none of those things I feel really DEFINE me. My faith in God makes me FEEL as if those things can and are transcended by something of greater importance, greater weight, greater meaning.
Excuse me for going off on a tangent.
Carry on sir.
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Joannah700 wrote: »This just makes me want a Smart House.
So the house can make sandwiches.Joannah700 wrote: »This just makes me want a Smart House.
So the house can make sandwiches.
Then you'll just argue about who forgot to tell the smart house to make the sandwiches.
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My MALE shrink used to say, yes, men are jerks. But women are often not much better. So much judgment on both sides.0
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This post makes me appreciate my husband even more. He is amazing and I don't tell him enough.0
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Lol, I actually might make a sandwich today. For me. Need to pick up a package of bacon though!!!leut_underpants wrote: »So last night in between clients, one of the guys I play fantasy football with, brought in a guest. I was razzing him about me winning the championship and he shot back "well if I had your time at home and was a stay at home dad, I'd probably have all the updated info to beat you!"
And that's when the guest interjected. "You're a stay at home dad? So you do all the work a woman is supposed to do at home? I don't think that I could handle doing that."
I replied, " It's actually not that difficult if you have a system in place."
He stated "Yeah, but I wouldn't feel as much of man if I wasn't the one bringing home the bacon."
Now personally, I could give a crap about how he may have viewed me as a "man". But I gotta figure that his SO isn't probably getting a fair shake at home. The reply of "that's what a woman is supposed to do", just made me realize that even in the very liberal area I live in, male chauvinism still exists with some.
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I can't believe we're three pages in and no male poster has told you to get back in the kitchen and make him a sandwich. :laugh:
And men are pigs, it's what we do.
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But though people may have differences of approach, personality, etc. within that box, it doesn't void them from being in it in the first place."CJisinShape wrote:I just find the labels - "Mr. Mom" or chauvinist, racist, sexist, classist, right-wing republican, flaming liberal, homophobe, dumb democrats, religious fundamentalist, crunchy, helicopter, tiger, etc., etc. to be a limiting box around which we put people in, that makes it easy to dismiss people and their opinions without giving them due consideration.
A male chauvinist is a male chauvinist. He can be charitable, nice, a volunteer firefighter, help feed the poor, etc. but if his belief is that women should be limited to certain positions, jobs, responsibilities, etc. he's still a chauvinist. His opinions can be heard and noted, but doesn't necessarily need to be accepted nor acknowledged as correct.
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When I was in third grade, one of my best friends had a stay at home dad. He was the most organized person I ever met! The kids had chores they had to do every day after school and he had a system for making their school lunch every morning. As a now adult, I have complete and utter respect for that man! My mom was an incredible and wonderful stay at home mom and my dad always had time and energy for us. However, as a child, I wondered sometimes what it would be like the other way around. Now, I'm not positive my dad would have survived!
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My dad did a lot of cooking, but never touched the laundry or cleaned the house. But he did play basketball with us out front (we had a basket ball rim attached over the garage) and threw ball with me sometimes. With both my parents in the medical field, they worked a lot, so I learned to be self sufficient and self motivated.When I was in third grade, one of my best friends had a stay at home dad. He was the most organized person I ever met! The kids had chores they had to do every day after school and he had a system for making their school lunch every morning. As a now adult, I have complete and utter respect for that man! My mom was an incredible and wonderful stay at home mom and my dad always had time and energy for us. However, as a child, I wondered sometimes what it would be like the other way around. Now, I'm not positive my dad would have survived!
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