Alternative to weight training for muscle maintenance?
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »
Were you doing a progressive resistance program?
Yes, I was practicing Ashtanga Yoga 4-5x per week, which as you may know includes a lot of positions where you have to lift and hold your bodyweight. The routine is progressive in that you keep adding more difficult postures and holding the positions for longer as you progress.
Sorry but that is not resistance training.
Sorry, but it IS progressive resistance if you move to increasingly challenging poses. The amount of strength needed to lift and support your body in certain positions is phenomenal. What is progressive resistance? It's increasing the overload consistently to facilitate adaptation, and that can happen through many things, Ashtanga Yoga is one of them. If OP keeps challenging their muscles they are essentially practicing progressive resistance.0 -
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »
Were you doing a progressive resistance program?
Yes, I was practicing Ashtanga Yoga 4-5x per week, which as you may know includes a lot of positions where you have to lift and hold your bodyweight. The routine is progressive in that you keep adding more difficult postures and holding the positions for longer as you progress.
Sorry but that is not resistance training.
Sorry, but it IS progressive resistance if you move to increasingly challenging poses. The amount of strength needed to lift and support your body in certain positions is phenomenal. What is progressive resistance? It's increasing the overload consistently to facilitate adaptation, and that can happen through many things, Ashtanga Yoga is one of them. If OP keeps challenging their muscles they are essentially practicing progressive resistance.
Sorry but it is not. You can tell yourself it is. But it isn't.
How do you define it then?0 -
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In your yoga is there slow/fast twitching muscle fiber recruiting?amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »
Were you doing a progressive resistance program?
Yes, I was practicing Ashtanga Yoga 4-5x per week, which as you may know includes a lot of positions where you have to lift and hold your bodyweight. The routine is progressive in that you keep adding more difficult postures and holding the positions for longer as you progress.
Sorry but that is not resistance training.
Sorry, but it IS progressive resistance if you move to increasingly challenging poses. The amount of strength needed to lift and support your body in certain positions is phenomenal. What is progressive resistance? It's increasing the overload consistently to facilitate adaptation, and that can happen through many things, Ashtanga Yoga is one of them. If OP keeps challenging their muscles they are essentially practicing progressive resistance.
Sorry but it is not. You can tell yourself it is. But it isn't.
How do you define it then?
Is there really tension overload?
Is yoga weight training?
Yes, yes and yes, though not to the extent of weight training - provided you advance the pose progressively.0 -
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amusedmonkey wrote: »
In your yoga is there slow/fast twitching muscle fiber recruiting?amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »
Were you doing a progressive resistance program?
Yes, I was practicing Ashtanga Yoga 4-5x per week, which as you may know includes a lot of positions where you have to lift and hold your bodyweight. The routine is progressive in that you keep adding more difficult postures and holding the positions for longer as you progress.
Sorry but that is not resistance training.
Sorry, but it IS progressive resistance if you move to increasingly challenging poses. The amount of strength needed to lift and support your body in certain positions is phenomenal. What is progressive resistance? It's increasing the overload consistently to facilitate adaptation, and that can happen through many things, Ashtanga Yoga is one of them. If OP keeps challenging their muscles they are essentially practicing progressive resistance.
Sorry but it is not. You can tell yourself it is. But it isn't.
How do you define it then?
Is there really tension overload?
Is yoga weight training?
Yes, yes and yes, though not to the extent of weight training - provided you advance the pose progressively.
Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
The human body is weightless?0 -
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Please. By that logic walking is weight training because when you walk around your legs are holding up the rest of your bod . Yoga being weight training Lol.amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
In your yoga is there slow/fast twitching muscle fiber recruiting?amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »
Were you doing a progressive resistance program?
Yes, I was practicing Ashtanga Yoga 4-5x per week, which as you may know includes a lot of positions where you have to lift and hold your bodyweight. The routine is progressive in that you keep adding more difficult postures and holding the positions for longer as you progress.
Sorry but that is not resistance training.
Sorry, but it IS progressive resistance if you move to increasingly challenging poses. The amount of strength needed to lift and support your body in certain positions is phenomenal. What is progressive resistance? It's increasing the overload consistently to facilitate adaptation, and that can happen through many things, Ashtanga Yoga is one of them. If OP keeps challenging their muscles they are essentially practicing progressive resistance.
Sorry but it is not. You can tell yourself it is. But it isn't.
How do you define it then?
Is there really tension overload?
Is yoga weight training?
Yes, yes and yes, though not to the extent of weight training - provided you advance the pose progressively.
Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
The human body is weightless?
Eating a hamburger is weight training to. Every time you pick it up off the plate and take a bite that's a bicep curl right? Because a hamburger has weight.
Walking is resistance training if you are re-learning to walk again after a long period of injury and muscle atrophy. Once it stops adding strength to the muscles it stops being progressive resistance training. Body weight training has been around for ages and is known to increase strength.
Edit: in fact I'll add, there is a reason why inactive obese people tend to have more muscle mass than inactive non-obese individuals.0 -
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Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
Ha ha ha – I must say, that's a typical comment from someone whose knowledge of yoga is limited to some imagined stereotype of ladies lying on the floor or chanting 'ohm'. (:-)
Ashtanga yoga is similar in ways to calisthenics or gymnastics training – it builds core strength, functional strength and power using the bodyweight as resistance, and this is an example of the kind of physique it can build when one has worked up to the advanced poses:
(These photos aren't of me, obviously, that is Kino MacGregor.)
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
Ha ha ha – I must say, that's a typical comment from someone whose knowledge of yoga is limited to some imagined stereotype of ladies lying on the floor or chanting 'ohm'. (:-)
Ashtanga yoga is similar in ways to calisthenics or gymnastics training – it builds core strength, functional strength and power using the bodyweight as resistance, and this is an example of the kind of physique it can build when one has worked up to the advanced poses:
(These photos aren't of me, obviously, that is Kino MacGregor.)
I am not saying that is not difficult..but that does not make it the same as lifting progressively heavier things. Your body weight is your body weight and once you adjust to putting it in different poses you have maxed out any benefit that you were getting.
In a progressive lifting routine you can continually add weight so, in essence, you never max out...
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
Ha ha ha – I must say, that's a typical comment from someone whose knowledge of yoga is limited to some imagined stereotype of ladies lying on the floor or chanting 'ohm'. (:-)
Ashtanga yoga is similar in ways to calisthenics or gymnastics training – it builds core strength, functional strength and power using the bodyweight as resistance, and this is an example of the kind of physique it can build when one has worked up to the advanced poses:
(These photos aren't of me, obviously, that is Kino MacGregor.)
I am not saying that is not difficult..but that does not make it the same as lifting progressively heavier things. Your body weight is your body weight and once you adjust to putting it in different poses you have maxed out any benefit that you were getting.
In a progressive lifting routine you can continually add weight so, in essence, you never max out...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22240547
It's not a direct comparison to yoga, but is to body weight training - compared to progressive weight training.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
Ha ha ha – I must say, that's a typical comment from someone whose knowledge of yoga is limited to some imagined stereotype of ladies lying on the floor or chanting 'ohm'. (:-)
Ashtanga yoga is similar in ways to calisthenics or gymnastics training – it builds core strength, functional strength and power using the bodyweight as resistance, and this is an example of the kind of physique it can build when one has worked up to the advanced poses:
(These photos aren't of me, obviously, that is Kino MacGregor.)
I am not saying that is not difficult..but that does not make it the same as lifting progressively heavier things. Your body weight is your body weight and once you adjust to putting it in different poses you have maxed out any benefit that you were getting.
In a progressive lifting routine you can continually add weight so, in essence, you never max out...
That's where goals come in play. For some people they just want to be strong enough to do certain things (advanced poses in this case - which takes years), others are happy to maintain their current muscle mass while others just want to look good. Even progressive lifting hits a wall after a long while because the human body has physical limits. Granted it's does build much more lifting strength than body weight training (which builds greater functional strength and balance), but lifting strength is not everyone's goal and that's alright.0 -
It's cute because you're assuming I don't do yoga.
Yes, I am assuming you don't do yoga. Not ashtanga yoga, anyway. Am I wrong? (:-)
I am not saying that is not difficult..but that does not make it the same as lifting progressively heavier things. Your body weight is your body weight and once you adjust to putting it in different poses you have maxed out any benefit that you were getting.
In a progressive lifting routine you can continually add weight so, in essence, you never max out...
You never max out in ashtanga yoga because the poses increase in difficulty (there are seven series in total; most people never master the first series), so for example the angles at which you're supporting your body weight can make it more/less difficult. Plus, the length of time you hold each pose increases. (Theoretically one could also increase the number of repetitions although this isn't strictly part of the formal Ashtanga practice.)
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
Ha ha ha – I must say, that's a typical comment from someone whose knowledge of yoga is limited to some imagined stereotype of ladies lying on the floor or chanting 'ohm'. (:-)
Ashtanga yoga is similar in ways to calisthenics or gymnastics training – it builds core strength, functional strength and power using the bodyweight as resistance, and this is an example of the kind of physique it can build when one has worked up to the advanced poses:
(These photos aren't of me, obviously, that is Kino MacGregor.)
I am not saying that is not difficult..but that does not make it the same as lifting progressively heavier things. Your body weight is your body weight and once you adjust to putting it in different poses you have maxed out any benefit that you were getting.
In a progressive lifting routine you can continually add weight so, in essence, you never max out...
That's where goals come in play. For some people they just want to be strong enough to do certain things (advanced poses in this case - which takes years), others are happy to maintain their current muscle mass while others just want to look good. Even progressive lifting hits a wall after a long while because the human body has physical limits. Granted it's does build much more lifting strength than body weight training (which builds greater functional strength and balance), but lifting strength is not everyone's goal and that's alright.
you kind of just moved the goal posts.
You tried to say that yoga = progressive overload, and now you are saying it depends on goals..
I agree that it depends on goals..
but you will have a hard time convincing me that yoga = progressive lifting...0 -
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
Ha ha ha – I must say, that's a typical comment from someone whose knowledge of yoga is limited to some imagined stereotype of ladies lying on the floor or chanting 'ohm'. (:-)
Ashtanga yoga is similar in ways to calisthenics or gymnastics training – it builds core strength, functional strength and power using the bodyweight as resistance, and this is an example of the kind of physique it can build when one has worked up to the advanced poses:
(These photos aren't of me, obviously, that is Kino MacGregor.)
I am not saying that is not difficult..but that does not make it the same as lifting progressively heavier things. Your body weight is your body weight and once you adjust to putting it in different poses you have maxed out any benefit that you were getting.
In a progressive lifting routine you can continually add weight so, in essence, you never max out...
That's where goals come in play. For some people they just want to be strong enough to do certain things (advanced poses in this case - which takes years), others are happy to maintain their current muscle mass while others just want to look good. Even progressive lifting hits a wall after a long while because the human body has physical limits. Granted it's does build much more lifting strength than body weight training (which builds greater functional strength and balance), but lifting strength is not everyone's goal and that's alright.
you kind of just moved the goal posts.
You tried to say that yoga = progressive overload, and now you are saying it depends on goals..
I agree that it depends on goals..
but you will have a hard time convincing me that yoga = progressive lifting...
That's not really what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that there are different ways to preserve and strengthen muscles with progressive muscle adaptation. The way a person chooses depends on their goals. Yoga is not lifting, no. I never said that. What I said is that some kinds of yoga can be a strength and resistance exercise. Strength training is not limited to conventional weight lifting.0 -
So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Lol. Yea okay. You keep telling yourself that. And to say that yoga is weight training that's just absurd.
Ha ha ha – I must say, that's a typical comment from someone whose knowledge of yoga is limited to some imagined stereotype of ladies lying on the floor or chanting 'ohm'. (:-)
Ashtanga yoga is similar in ways to calisthenics or gymnastics training – it builds core strength, functional strength and power using the bodyweight as resistance, and this is an example of the kind of physique it can build when one has worked up to the advanced poses:
(These photos aren't of me, obviously, that is Kino MacGregor.)
I am not saying that is not difficult..but that does not make it the same as lifting progressively heavier things. Your body weight is your body weight and once you adjust to putting it in different poses you have maxed out any benefit that you were getting.
In a progressive lifting routine you can continually add weight so, in essence, you never max out...
That's where goals come in play. For some people they just want to be strong enough to do certain things (advanced poses in this case - which takes years), others are happy to maintain their current muscle mass while others just want to look good. Even progressive lifting hits a wall after a long while because the human body has physical limits. Granted it's does build much more lifting strength than body weight training (which builds greater functional strength and balance), but lifting strength is not everyone's goal and that's alright.
you kind of just moved the goal posts.
You tried to say that yoga = progressive overload, and now you are saying it depends on goals..
I agree that it depends on goals..
but you will have a hard time convincing me that yoga = progressive lifting...
That's not really what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that there are different ways to preserve and strengthen muscles with progressive muscle adaptation. The way a person chooses depends on their goals. Yoga is not lifting, no. I never said that. What I said is that some kinds of yoga can be a strength and resistance exercise. Strength training is not limited to conventional weight lifting.
I believe you said it's progressive resistance training, which implies that there is an increase in "resistance". I don't do yoga because it hurts my body, but I have no doubt it has many benefits. It just doesn't seem to fit into progressive resistance training because there is no increase in body weight.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
How can it provide progressive resistance training with no weight being added?
I wonder if it's more of an endurance exercise?0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
How can it provide progressive resistance training with no weight being added?
I wonder if it's more of an endurance exercise?
Leverage I guess. A worse lever leads to more power being required to lift the same amount of weight.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
How can it provide progressive resistance training with no weight being added?
I wonder if it's more of an endurance exercise?
Leverage I guess. A worse lever leads to more power being required to lift the same amount of weight.
huh?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
How can it provide progressive resistance training with no weight being added?
I wonder if it's more of an endurance exercise?
Leverage I guess. A worse lever leads to more power being required to lift the same amount of weight.
huh?
I don't know anything about yoga but with push-ups, for example, you gradually raise your feet at an angle until you're doing handstand push-ups.
Idk that it would be enough to build new muscle (not saying it isn't, I just don't know) but that's how programs like You Are Your Own Gym create progressive overload.0 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
How can it provide progressive resistance training with no weight being added?
I wonder if it's more of an endurance exercise?
Leverage I guess. A worse lever leads to more power being required to lift the same amount of weight.
huh?
I don't know anything about yoga but with push-ups, for example, you gradually raise your feet at an angle until you're doing handstand push-ups.
Idk that it would be enough to build new muscle (not saying it isn't, I just don't know) but that's how programs like You Are Your Own Gym create progressive overload.
Very interesting. Thank you.
Doesn't You Are Your Own Gym have resistance training using household items for weight lifting?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
How can it provide progressive resistance training with no weight being added?
I wonder if it's more of an endurance exercise?
Leverage I guess. A worse lever leads to more power being required to lift the same amount of weight.
huh?
BEHOLD MY PAINT SKILLS
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
How can it provide progressive resistance training with no weight being added?
I wonder if it's more of an endurance exercise?
Leverage I guess. A worse lever leads to more power being required to lift the same amount of weight.
huh?
I don't know anything about yoga but with push-ups, for example, you gradually raise your feet at an angle until you're doing handstand push-ups.
Idk that it would be enough to build new muscle (not saying it isn't, I just don't know) but that's how programs like You Are Your Own Gym create progressive overload.
Very interesting. Thank you.
Doesn't You Are Your Own Gym have resistance training using household items for weight lifting?
Maybe, I'm not sure.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »So what you are saying is that if some doesn't do Ashtanga yoga then the yoga they do does not count because the yoga they are doing doesn't count?
Uh... no, what I said was that I assumed you didn't practice Ashtanga yoga; my assumption was based on the fact that you are apparently unaware that it is a vigourous practice that builds strength and incorporates a form of progressive resistance training.
How can it provide progressive resistance training with no weight being added?
I wonder if it's more of an endurance exercise?
Leverage I guess. A worse lever leads to more power being required to lift the same amount of weight.
huh?
BEHOLD MY PAINT SKILLS
Ah., this is adorable.
Do tell, what is that stick-person doing?0
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