"Cheese is not meant for human consumption"
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Docbanana2002 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Docbanana2002 wrote: »She is probably referring to the fact that cows produce milk to feed their babies, like all mammals. Not so adult humans can make the baby into veal and then suck at mama cow's teats....
What?
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or actually confused. Assuming the latter, let me spell it out: Cheese is made from the milk of a cow (or goat). Cows don't make milk for humans, not willingly anyway. They produce it for their babies. The dairy industry operates by taking away the baby to slaughter or other uses and taking the milk for us humans.
Milk (and yogurt, cheese, other things we make from milk) is meant for baby cows. Not adult humans.
When the calf is raised humanely and treated with respect I see no problem with eating veal. YOu haven't lived until you've eaten hand breaded hand raised veal.... wowza.
Also, not *ALL* babies are taken for slaughter. A well bred bull will be saved for breeding. A well bred cow from a good producer will be kept for a milk cow.
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »the only cheese not meant for human consumption is Kraft singles.
That and Velveeta, they are considered cheese 'products'.0 -
KameHameHaaaa wrote: »Someone just said this to me.
"Someone" is dumb. Cheese is proof of God's love for mankind. It's just so ...wonderful....
Agreed!
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KameHameHaaaa wrote: »Someone just said this to me.
"Someone" is dumb. Cheese is proof of God's love for mankind. It's just so ...wonderful....
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I didn't read all the comments, so I apologize, I had read this awhile back, and it makes sense to me. I'm not saying I'm giving up cheese, because Cheesus knows I love cheese.
https://support.amazingdiscoveries.org/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/296/0/why-shouldnt-we-eat-cheese
TLDR version - Our bodies are not properly able to process cheese and it can affect us in ways that are immediately noticeable and not so much.
To your coworker, I say "Fantastic, more for me"0 -
KameHameHaaaa wrote: »Someone just said this to me. I love hard cheese. But I also love a lot of things this person doesn't, as they avoid entire food groups including dairy. I also love research/studies. So... discuss.
Why is cheese meant or not meant for human consumption?
What studies are available that I can review on this topic?
Thanks.
Cheese is made by humans for their own consumption. Who else would it be made for? Aliens?
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I know there have been studies on Far East cultures, and Japanese specifically, that note their much lower level of dairy consumption (higher last several decades) and their better health than, say, Americans. I'm not sure of any specifics that actually tied these two together conclusively, though. Having said that, it's pretty obvious that most cheeses have a high fat and calorie content. Also having said that, I've always thought almost anything is okay in moderation. I love my cheese. Woooo.
Yes, the milk is naturally and foremost meant for the baby calf but mankind has selectively bred a milk monster in today's dairy cows. If you ever saw firsthand some of the problems these poor creatures go through due to being bred for a single purpose - you'd be shocked. We humans always go overboard with everything. I've seen farmers actually use come-alongs winches to pull out newborn calves due to some of the inherent birthing problems. I'm glad to see some of the old breeds being brought back, even if less prolific. I'm a rice milk or almond milk kind of guy - but I do love delicious cheese. Yum.0 -
I believe I was meant to eat cheese. Not sure about your friend.0
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"How anyone could get anything that smells like that past their nose and into their mouth and then chew it and swallow it is truly a human mystery.
I've never eaten cheese in my life. Aside from a very occasional slice of pizza where the smell and taste of the cheese is disguised by the pork toppings and the tomato sauce. And even still, it skeeves me a little."
I think its funny that you would rather eat pork than cheese. Pigs are treated horrible at factory farms and are highly more intelligent than a dog. You should do a little research.0 -
Totally off topic, but every time I cook with fresh ginger, hubby asks if we are having laundry detergent for supper.0
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CADAVER0USB0N3S wrote: »"How anyone could get anything that smells like that past their nose and into their mouth and then chew it and swallow it is truly a human mystery.
I've never eaten cheese in my life. Aside from a very occasional slice of pizza where the smell and taste of the cheese is disguised by the pork toppings and the tomato sauce. And even still, it skeeves me a little."
I think its funny that you would rather eat pork than cheese. Pigs are treated horrible at factory farms and are highly more intelligent than a dog. You should do a little research.
It seems like the person you are responding to dislikes the smell of cheese, not the ethics involved in the production of it.0 -
We already make ice cream out of it, so cheese is not so far out.Also completely OT (and a little dark):this entire thread has made me consider what an expansion to "A Modest Proposal" by Johnathan Swift would look like, especially if you added in today's technology.
"We could milk the mothers after we take the infants away and make delicious cheese that way we would no longer have to rely on cows."
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Of course cheese is meant for human consumption. How else would you be able to eat a grilled cheese sandwich?
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Man! why do I always find the awesome threads after 5 pages have already been made...0
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I am thankful my ancestors mutated so I can consume cheese (and other milk products).I didn't read all the comments, so I apologize, I had read this awhile back, and it makes sense to me. I'm not saying I'm giving up cheese, because Cheesus knows I love cheese.
https://support.amazingdiscoveries.org/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/296/0/why-shouldnt-we-eat-cheese
TLDR version - Our bodies are not properly able to process cheese and it can affect us in ways that are immediately noticeable and not so much.
To your coworker, I say "Fantastic, more for me"
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Here is a YouTube video made by a doctor who talks about the research regarding milk (and other dairy products) and its effect on the body. The short of it is that the research has shown that dairy may not be beneficial, and could potentially be harmful in large amounts. But a little cheese now and then is fine for most people. And delicious.0
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Brent2Bfit wrote: »I know there have been studies on Far East cultures, and Japanese specifically, that note their much lower level of dairy consumption (higher last several decades) and their better health than, say, Americans. I'm not sure of any specifics that actually tied these two together conclusively, though. Having said that, it's pretty obvious that most cheeses have a high fat and calorie content. Also having said that, I've always thought almost anything is okay in moderation. I love my cheese. Woooo.
Yes, the milk is naturally and foremost meant for the baby calf but mankind has selectively bred a milk monster in today's dairy cows. If you ever saw firsthand some of the problems these poor creatures go through due to being bred for a single purpose - you'd be shocked. We humans always go overboard with everything. I've seen farmers actually use come-alongs winches to pull out newborn calves due to some of the inherent birthing problems. I'm glad to see some of the old breeds being brought back, even if less prolific. I'm a rice milk or almond milk kind of guy - but I do love delicious cheese. Yum.
This is me as well. The treatment of the animals bothers me terribly. Not much I can do about it. I don't drink regular milk. Just switched to cashew milk instead of almond or soy milk, but I do still eat cheese.0 -
Brent2Bfit wrote: »I know there have been studies on Far East cultures, and Japanese specifically, that note their much lower level of dairy consumption (higher last several decades) and their better health than, say, Americans. I'm not sure of any specifics that actually tied these two together conclusively, though. Having said that, it's pretty obvious that most cheeses have a high fat and calorie content. Also having said that, I've always thought almost anything is okay in moderation. I love my cheese. Woooo.
Yes, the milk is naturally and foremost meant for the baby calf but mankind has selectively bred a milk monster in today's dairy cows. If you ever saw firsthand some of the problems these poor creatures go through due to being bred for a single purpose - you'd be shocked. We humans always go overboard with everything. I've seen farmers actually use come-alongs winches to pull out newborn calves due to some of the inherent birthing problems. I'm glad to see some of the old breeds being brought back, even if less prolific. I'm a rice milk or almond milk kind of guy - but I do love delicious cheese. Yum.
This is me as well. The treatment of the animals bothers me terribly. Not much I can do about it. I don't drink regular milk. Just switched to cashew milk instead of almond or soy milk, but I do still eat cheese.
You can refuse to give your money and support to those who engage in it. Those who engage in this behavior do it for our money. They require our support. We can't change the world, but we can change our own behavior.0 -
Painfully sharp Vermont cheddar, a glass of Port and a good cigar. The perfect combination for my consumption. To each his own.0
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Any absolute statements such as this can immediately be disregarded.0
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »Docbanana2002 wrote: »Whether humans are capable of enjoying the taste... or capable of digesting it...or powerful enough over cows to steal it... is a different question from whether milk and milk products are MEANT for us. They are meant for the babies of the animals that produce them.
You could then argue that no food is MEANT for us. Those strawberries? They're there for birds and small mammals to eat, because they then poop out the seeds to make more strawberry plants. The wheat in that bread? Same thing, it's actually meant for small mammals. The yeast in bread? Not meant for us either, just something that wants to multiply. Seeds, like sunflower seeds? Their purpose is to fall to the ground to make more sunflowers. Even if you argue that eating fruit could be for us because we defecate too (though no longer onto the ground) seeds can't survive if we chew them, which we do for sunflower seeds and things like pomegranate.
I think that any food that we can eat that doesn't kill us can be meant for us.
Exactly. That's what it means to be an omnivore. We're just particularly clever omnivores who have worked out how to make other foods from the ones nature provided.
Also, cheese is awesome. And as someone of Dutch descent, I will argue till my dying breath that I am genetically adapted to eat lots of it.
You might be on to something...
From nature.com
Although as others have pointed out, there isn't all that much lactose in cheese itself.0 -
I am thankful my ancestors mutated so I can consume cheese (and other milk products).I didn't read all the comments, so I apologize, I had read this awhile back, and it makes sense to me. I'm not saying I'm giving up cheese, because Cheesus knows I love cheese.
https://support.amazingdiscoveries.org/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/296/0/why-shouldnt-we-eat-cheese
TLDR version - Our bodies are not properly able to process cheese and it can affect us in ways that are immediately noticeable and not so much.
To your coworker, I say "Fantastic, more for me"
Heh, I feel the same way.
And I source my dairy (for the most part) from farms that I feel okay about, just like I do my eggs and meat. (I buy yogurt from the store mostly, usually Fage, sometimes others like Siggi.)0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Brent2Bfit wrote: »I know there have been studies on Far East cultures, and Japanese specifically, that note their much lower level of dairy consumption (higher last several decades) and their better health than, say, Americans. I'm not sure of any specifics that actually tied these two together conclusively, though. Having said that, it's pretty obvious that most cheeses have a high fat and calorie content. Also having said that, I've always thought almost anything is okay in moderation. I love my cheese. Woooo.
Yes, the milk is naturally and foremost meant for the baby calf but mankind has selectively bred a milk monster in today's dairy cows. If you ever saw firsthand some of the problems these poor creatures go through due to being bred for a single purpose - you'd be shocked. We humans always go overboard with everything. I've seen farmers actually use come-alongs winches to pull out newborn calves due to some of the inherent birthing problems. I'm glad to see some of the old breeds being brought back, even if less prolific. I'm a rice milk or almond milk kind of guy - but I do love delicious cheese. Yum.
This is me as well. The treatment of the animals bothers me terribly. Not much I can do about it. I don't drink regular milk. Just switched to cashew milk instead of almond or soy milk, but I do still eat cheese.
You can refuse to give your money and support to those who engage in it. Those who engage in this behavior do it for our money. They require our support. We can't change the world, but we can change our own behavior.
Definitely! And I do avoid contributing monitarily or supporting it in any way. I just didn't want to bring my own ethics into this thread. But I agree with you.0 -
There is (or was haven't been for awhile) a chocolate bar in St Louis. The majority of their menu is obviously based around chocolate but they also have these gourmet cheese, fruit, and bread trays. HOLY COW! Literally. Must be a divine cow that produces the milk these cheeses are made from. Absolutely amazing with a chocolate cocktail! This does nothing to add to this thread but just felt the need to comment!
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KameHameHaaaa wrote: »Someone just said this to me. I love hard cheese. But I also love a lot of things this person doesn't, as they avoid entire food groups including dairy. I also love research/studies. So... discuss.
Why is cheese meant or not meant for human consumption?
What studies are available that I can review on this topic?
Thanks.
I'm going on a stretch here and guessing this statement was made by someone of the First World?
Please have them relocate to the Third World for a few years and lets review their views on "what mankind was meant for".
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Yup, Rwanda is a hot spot. The Tutsi people have drunk milk from their cattle (status symbol and source of life and health) for many generations. My son-in-law has prepared the traditional drink by souring milk first. A sensible precaution, considering refrigeration is a fairly modern accessory.
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What about kumis, is that meant for human consumption?0
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