The "Food Babe" Blogger Is Full of Crap
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I think she is trying to garner some extra attention today
I had never heard of the "Food Babe" until my cousin (who is a doctor of internal medicine) posted the Gawker article the other night. I immediately shared it - I'm so tired of the war on "chemicals" and "toxins."
I seriously cannot believe that people take her seriously. This Tweet alone would make me immediately skeptical of anything she says.0 -
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emily_stew wrote: »Demon_Lord wrote: »I agree with Hari's statements, however its not practical. THere is no way that we can go natural in this day and age. Don't try to fool yourself and believe that by going organic you will live a chemical free life.
I would imagine attempting to live a chemical free life would be quite difficult indeed.
Srsly. In any day and age.0 -
emily_stew wrote: »Demon_Lord wrote: »I agree with Hari's statements, however its not practical. THere is no way that we can go natural in this day and age. Don't try to fool yourself and believe that by going organic you will live a chemical free life.
I would imagine attempting to live a chemical free life would be quite difficult indeed.
I wonder if @Demon_Lord also agrees with Hari's statement that, "the #flushot has been used as a genocide tool in the past."0 -
tinascar2015 wrote: »So, Acg67 -- how long since someone played the Shill Card and accused you of being on Monsanto's payroll? I get that all the time.
Thanks for posting that here. I was retweeting that Gawker piece all over the place today. My cousin was sharing Hari's garbage on Facebook and I was pretty blunt with her about her tastes in gurus.
I am pretty sick and tired of debating the faux-benefits or organics and non-GMOs with people who know buggerall about plant science or biotechnology and yet swear up and down that not a molecule of any "frankenfood" will ever enter their bodies. People with no knowledge of science are also claiming they've sorted the bee problem, the monarch butterfly problem -- and while they continue to lean on 3-year old "research" posted on websites with very green-sounding names, the real research has continued, and real science advocates are finally starting to drown out some of the Food Babe Army's noise: @ChowBabe; Kavin Senapathy; The Genetic Literacy Project. Even Bill Nye is on the right track now, after shocking his fans with some real tinfoil-hat views on GMOs.
I was talking to a woman about this, and she asserted, "Monsanto is trying to kill us all with that pesticide that's killing all the bees!" I stifled a chuckle and said, "That pesticide has been found to have little, if any effect on the bees, and by the way, the pesticide you're talking about isn't made by Monsanto. IT'S MADE BY BAYER."
I don't like to make snap judgments about people, but anyone who is on the Food Babe side of any debate is willfully ignorant.
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crazyjerseygirl wrote: »gaelowyn_pt_duex wrote: »I loved this. And Crazyjerseygirl.. you are right on. and its sad. because it's often those who have no choice in those decisions that suffer(unvaccinated kids).
And OH NO!! there's nitrogen in the air and acetic acid in your salad!! loved it!
Yup! And dihydrogen monoxide in your body! *gasp!*
The vaccination thing really irks me. My sons best friend can't get MMR for medical reasons, so now his parents get to live in fear because of dopes who prefer disbarred doctors and playboy bunnies to actual science.
If her son can't be vaccinated, then he is part of the problem - however he somehow gets a pass because you know his parents personally and understand their reasoning for not vaccinating. Parents that choose to under vaccinate or not at all just MIGHT have a good reason that doesn't seem obvious to people like you who like to clump everyone in the same box...very few people who do not vaccinate these days actually care about autism or Jenny McCarthy, FYI. You never know why parents choose not to vaccinate...but I'm sure you don't care about that and prefer to assume you know everything about everyone and their motives.
What "good reasons" have you heard for not vaccinating?0 -
crazyjerseygirl wrote: »gaelowyn_pt_duex wrote: »I loved this. And Crazyjerseygirl.. you are right on. and its sad. because it's often those who have no choice in those decisions that suffer(unvaccinated kids).
And OH NO!! there's nitrogen in the air and acetic acid in your salad!! loved it!
Yup! And dihydrogen monoxide in your body! *gasp!*
The vaccination thing really irks me. My sons best friend can't get MMR for medical reasons, so now his parents get to live in fear because of dopes who prefer disbarred doctors and playboy bunnies to actual science.
If her son can't be vaccinated, then he is part of the problem - however he somehow gets a pass because you know his parents personally and understand their reasoning for not vaccinating. Parents that choose to under vaccinate or not at all just MIGHT have a good reason that doesn't seem obvious to people like you who like to clump everyone in the same box...very few people who do not vaccinate these days actually care about autism or Jenny McCarthy, FYI. You never know why parents choose not to vaccinate...but I'm sure you don't care about that and prefer to assume you know everything about everyone and their motives.
What "good reasons" have you heard for not vaccinating?
The only "good" reasons are the medically substantiated ones. "I has a skeered of chemikills or mebby something icky" doesn't count.
Legit medical reasons are the only good reasons for skipping vaccinations. Parental insanity excepted.0 -
Since there are many members here who have used similar logic as the Food Babe, as to why certain foods or additives, here is an informative readVani Hari, AKA the Food Babe, has amassed a loyal following in her Food Babe Army. The recent subject of profiles and interviews in the New York Times, the New York Post and New York Magazine, Hari implores her soldiers to petition food companies to change their formulas. She's also written a bestselling book telling you that you can change your life in 21 days by "breaking free of the hidden toxins in your life." She and her army are out to change the world.
She's also utterly full of *kitten*.
I am an analytical chemist with a background in forensics and toxicology. Before working full-time as a science writer and public speaker, I worked as a chemistry professor, a toxicology chemist, and in research analyzing pesticides for safety. I now run my own blog, Science Babe, dedicated to debunking pseudoscience that tends to proliferate in the blogosphere. Reading Hari's site, it's rare to come across a single scientific fact. Between her egregious abuse of the word "toxin" anytime there's a chemical she can't pronounce and asserting that everyone who disagrees with her is a paid shill, it's hard to pinpoint her biggest sin.
Hari's superhero origin story is that she came down with appendicitis and didn't accept the explanation that appendicitis just happens sometimes. So she quit her job as a consultant, attended Google University and transformed herself into an uncredentialed expert in everything she admittedly can't pronounce. Slap the catchy moniker "Food Babe" on top, throw in a couple of trend stories and some appearances on the Dr. Oz show, and we have the new organic media darling.
But reader beware. Here are some reasons why she's the worst assault on science on the internet.
Natural, Organic, GMO-Free Fear
Hari's campaign last year against the Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte drove me to launch my site (don't *kitten* with a Bostonian's Pumpkin-Spice Anything). She alleged that the PSL has a "toxic" dose of sugar and two (TWO!!) doses of caramel color level IV in carcinogen class 2b.
The word "toxic" has a meaning, and that is "having the effect of a poison." Anything can be poisonous depending on the dose. Enough water can even be poisonous in the right quantity (and can cause a condition called hyponatremia).
But then, the Food Babe has gone on record to say, "There is just no acceptable level of any chemical to ingest, ever." I wonder if anybody's warned her about good old dihydrogen monoxide?
(AKA water.)
It's a goddamn stretch to say that sugar has deleterious effects, other than making your Lululemons stretch a little farther if you don't "namaste" your cheeks off. However, I implore you to look at the Safety Data Sheet for sugar. The average adult would need to ingest about fifty PSLs in one sitting to get a lethal dose of sugar. By that point, you would already have hyponatremia from an overdose of water in the lattes.
And almost enough caffeine for me.
And what about that "carcinogenic" caramel color? Well, it turns out that it's not the only thing in your PSL that's in carcinogen class 2b.
There's also coffee.
Coffee is class 2b because of the acrylamide accumulated during the roasting process. Coffee, before Starbucks turns it into a milkshake, is pretty healthy for you. Class 2b means that all possible carcinogenic effects haven't been ruled out (because we haven't tested drinking it while tightrope walking across the Grand Canyon and simultaneously attempting to eat fire… yet), but that it hasn't been shown to cause a single case of cancer.
This is a blatant attempt at getting you to look to her for answers by making you unnecessarily afraid. The goal of Hari's campaign was to… well, we're still not sure. Remove the caramel color? Smear Starbucks? After that campaign failed, she launched a failed attempt to get them to use only organic milk, which would have made their lattes far more expensive and no healthier.
Hari uses this tricky technique again and again. If I told you that a chemical that's used as a disinfectant, used in industrial laboratory for hydrolysis reactions, and can create a nasty chemical burn is also a common ingredient in salad dressing, would you panic? Be suspicious that the industries were poisoning your children? Think it might cause cancer? Sign a petition to have it removed?
What if I told you I was talking about vinegar, otherwise known as acetic acid?
This is Hari's business. She takes innocuous ingredients and makes you afraid of them by pulling them out of context (Michelle Francl, in a review of Hari's book for Slate, expertly demonstrates the shallowness of this gimmick). This is how Hari demonized the harmless yet hard-to-pronounce azodicarbonamide, or as she deemed it, the "yoga mat chemical," which is yes, found in yoga mats and also in bread, specifically Subway sandwich bread, a discovery Hari bombastically trumpeted on her website. However, as the science-minded among us understand, a substance can be used for more than one thing perfectly safely, and it doesn't mean that your bread is made of a yoga mat if it happens to contain azodicarbonamide, which is FDA-approved as a dough-softening agent. It simply means your bread is composed of chemicals, much like everything else you eat.
Hari's rule? "If a third grader can't pronounce it, don't eat it."
My rule? Don't base your diet on the pronunciation skills of an eight-year-old.
A Force to Disagree With
In a recent blog post, Hari accused several of her detractors of having nefarious ties to sinister organizations. These evildoers included Dr. Joe Schwarcz, the director for Science and Society at McGill University, Dr. Steve Novella, a Yale-educated neurologist and contributor to the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast, and Dr. Kevin Folta, the horticultural chair at the University of Florida. Why? Because these highly credentialed scientists had the nerve to use facts against Hari. Dr. Schwarcz speaks out regularly about her tactics. Dr. Novella debunked some wild claims of hers about the science of microwaves. And Dr. Folta said "she found that a popular social media site was more powerful than science itself, more powerful than reason, more powerful than actually knowing what you're talking about."
But could any of these scientists' criticisms possibly have merit? Not to Hari. She has flung these accusations at Dr. Folta multiple times. He's responded on his personal blog and has released his email correspondence to prove that he has no financial connections to hide. And yet, Hari has not recanted.
Moreover, the tireless crusader for transparency doesn't want you to pay attention to the *kitten* behind the curtain. And it's not just when scientists point it out in the news–it's when anybody questions her on her Facebook page.
There's a group on Facebook called "Banned By Food Babe" that boasts nearly 6,000 members. Reasons for being banned include "I asked for her qualifications" and "I pointed out that water was a chemical." Some members of the page were former fans of hers who were banned when they asked questions of clarification. Any dissent couldn't possibly have merit within the ranks of the Food Babe Army.
And when Hari's been questioned about silencing critics by news outlets? She consistently says that she won't be silenced by people who are haters and shills, racist or sexist.
If she thinks she's being attacked for being a woman, she's missed that she's not the only "babe" in this discussion.
If her arguments had merit, she could engage in a battle of wits with her detractors instead of making insidious accusations. It's not about Hari, the woman who gets home at the end of the day, maybe gives her dog an (organic) treat and watches some crappy TV show. It's about Food Babe LLC, the business organization that spreads terribly inaccurate science.
It's about statements like this:
"The enzymes released from kale go in to your liver and trigger cancer fighting chemicals that literally dissolve unhealthy cells throughout your body."
One of her outspoken critics, Kavin Senapathy, is a writer at Grounded Parents and a contributor at the Genetic Literacy Project. Senapathy has said that the Food Babe "exploits the scientific ignorance of her followers." With a background in genomics, Senapathy is a science writer and likewise an Indian American woman, but I'm sure it's a much more comforting narrative in the Food Babe Army to say that we're all just sexists and racists.
Is It Made With Real Girl Scouts?
How many companies or products do you think it would make sense to crusade against in the course of a career? One? Three? A dozen?
Hari has declared, to date, more than 610 products and companies to be unsafe over the course of four years.
According to Hari, the problem with most of them, including Girl Scout Cookies: GMOs and pesticides. She's even alleged that an apple can be worse for you than a hot fudge sundae, if it's not organic.
And is there even a shred of truth to this? Not in the least. Hari claims going organic will save you from pesticides, but organic farming uses pesticides too. Some of them are far more toxic than conventional pesticides. (Remember, the dose makes the poison. Neither apple would have enough pesticide by the time it reaches market to be harmful.)
The difference between organic and conventional? For a product that's no healthier, organic is more expensive and they give Hari a commission.
As for those GMOs in the Girl Scout Cookies, fret ye not. In order to introduce a genetically modified crop into the food supply, they have to be proven to be nutritionally indistinguishable from their non-GM counterparts.
Maybe Hari's crusades would be OK if she had the facts to back them up. But she doesn't, and worse, when she's wrong, she tries to make her errors disappear.
Recently, a writer from the New York Times contacted me to ask for some background on Hari. I was happy to oblige. She was looking for the articles for which Hari had been widely criticized and that were conspicuously absent from her Facebook page. Hari had told the writer that she couldn't recall those articles.
Luckily, the internet never forgets.
If you want proof that Hari doesn't research anything before she puts it online, look no further than this article on airplanes, which she deleted from her site. She claimed that pilots control the air in an airplane, so you should sit near the front to breathe better air. She wrote that passengers are sometimes sprayed with pesticides before flights, and that airplane air is pumped full of nitrogen.
Please recall high school science, in which you hopefully learned that the atmosphere is 78% nitrogen. Also, if anyone has personally been sprayed with pesticides before a flight, please email me, I would love to talk to you about it (not really).
The other piece of writing that she unsuccessfully attempted to cleanse from the bowels of the internet claimed that microwaves are like small nuclear reactors, and they make water crystalize the same way it does when you say "Hitler" or "Satan" to it, because water has ears and a grasp of early twentieth-century European dictators.
Feel Better—Detox and Definitely Don't Vaccinate!
Food Babe has written that, in order to deal with the flu, you should take vitamins, get sunshine, and "encounter the flu naturally." In other words, her advice is to get the flu, an infection that kills an average of 31,000 people annually.
A PSA: Please remember that when you vaccinate, you help protect the people around you who cannot vaccinate. You protect people who are immunocompromised, who are going through cancer treatments, and who are on immunosupressants. If you catch the flu, you become a disease vector and can easily infect more people.
"I won't eat any of these ingredients or even put them on my body," Hari wrote of the components that make up the flu vaccine. "However, the mainstream medical community, government agencies and pharmaceutical companies suggest that I directly inject these ingredients into my bloodstream? And I need do it every year until I die? Are you freaking kidding me?"
Nope! Not kidding. The flu is serious. To scare people into not taking every measure they can against a deadly disease mortifies me. Hari has denied that she's anti-vax, but all the reasons she has for avoiding the flu vaccine are ones anti-vaxxers hold near and dear to their hearts for letting their children suffer. Toxins. Aluminum. Mercury. The usual suspects.
But hey, the next time you're down with a bug, follow Hari's lead and detox your way out of it. Who doesn't want to lose a few pounds, feel better, and have more energy? Hari will help, for only $9/per bottle from her sponsor, Suja.
In Hari's non-defense, they're "only" $6 per bottle from Suja's website.
But wait, didn't she say that the Pumpkin Spice Lattes had a toxic dose of sugar at fifty grams in a grande? So why does she endorse Suja when it has forty-two grams of sugar and even comes with a warning on its website that it's not suitable for diabetics?
It's probably because detox is complete *kitten*.
In order to buy into the premise that you need detoxing, you first have to be "toxed." The common enemies they claim that juice can clean out of your system are heavy metals and pesticides. The *kitten*? Those don't cause allergies, acne, weight gain, or whatever symptom she's using to scare you into buying overpriced juice this week. Heavy metal toxicity has specific symptoms, and actual pesticide poisoning is really scary.
Neither can be fixed by fruit juice. Not even organic fruit juice.
You're constantly "detoxing" just by living. Your kidneys and liver take care of cleaning out unnecessary things in the body fairly efficiently on their own. Proof? The toilet paper industry.
Go Ahead, Lie About Your Food Allergies
We've already established that Hari has a fickle relationship with the truth. How about the definition of the word "allergy"? That seems basic enough. An allergy is an immune system overreaction. Life-threatening food allergies are serious.
And this one is very serious.
Hari claimed that she's allergic to refined sugar in a blog entry in which she also wrote about about all the desserts she's eaten. But only refined sugar, because apparently short-chain carbohydrates are only evil if they're not from one of her approved sponsored sugar sources. So, I guess she can just eat these now that her acupuncturist diagnosed and treated her for this alleged sugar allergy.
Alleged. Because she's admitted that she's fine with lying about allergies.
"Go as far as telling the server you are allergic to butter and dairy, soy and corn," she writes. "Butter really isn't bad for you if it is organic and you use it in moderation – but restaurants can go crazy with it, adding several hundred extra calories you can live without."
This is a problem.
I have celiac disease, and there are people with genuine life-threatening allergies. When people like me go into a restaurant, we're at the whim of a waiter who may have just served twenty fussy *kitten* from the Food Babe Army who think that gluten causes your spleen to turn radioactive, or whatever lie she's using to sell organic kale dipped in yak's butter this week. So when I tell a server that I can't do gluten, that waiter might roll their eyes at me because of people like Vani Hari.
Well, people like Hari and her Food Babe Army. Changing the world, one lie at a time.
http://gawker.com/the-food-babe-blogger-is-full-of-*kitten*-1694902226
Yes, I find her irritating. I swear if we all followed her guidelines we would hardly be able to eat. I read a few things on her site a while back, but haven't been back in a long time. It was mostly for entertainment value because the arguments in the comment sections were hilarious. One mother got attacked and called an unfit parent because she didn't feed her kids all organic, "natural" foods. They are really over the top there.
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Demon_Lord wrote: »I agree with Hari's statements, however its not practical. THere is no way that we can go natural in this day and age. Don't try to fool yourself and believe that by going organic you will live a chemical free life.
True that.
Start with salt. It's got Chlorine in it, the same thing they put in pools!0 -
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crazyjerseygirl wrote: »Demon_Lord wrote: »I agree with Hari's statements, however its not practical. THere is no way that we can go natural in this day and age. Don't try to fool yourself and believe that by going organic you will live a chemical free life.
True that.
Start with salt. It's got Chlorine in it, the same thing they put in pools!
And Sodium! Have you ever seen what happens when you put that stuff in water?!?!?!?!0 -
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peachyfuzzle wrote: »crazyjerseygirl wrote: »Demon_Lord wrote: »I agree with Hari's statements, however its not practical. THere is no way that we can go natural in this day and age. Don't try to fool yourself and believe that by going organic you will live a chemical free life.
True that.
Start with salt. It's got Chlorine in it, the same thing they put in pools!
And Sodium! Have you ever seen what happens when you put that stuff in water?!?!?!?!
Yup. It makes you explode. Salt will bleach your innards then make you explode.0 -
The government is suppressing this information, too.0
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crazyjerseygirl wrote: »peachyfuzzle wrote: »crazyjerseygirl wrote: »Demon_Lord wrote: »I agree with Hari's statements, however its not practical. THere is no way that we can go natural in this day and age. Don't try to fool yourself and believe that by going organic you will live a chemical free life.
True that.
Start with salt. It's got Chlorine in it, the same thing they put in pools!
And Sodium! Have you ever seen what happens when you put that stuff in water?!?!?!?!
Yup. It makes you explode. Salt will bleach your innards then make you explode.
Gee, thanks for saving me from spontaneous combustion, Food Babe. I now owe you my undying allegiance
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peachyfuzzle wrote: »crazyjerseygirl wrote: »Demon_Lord wrote: »I agree with Hari's statements, however its not practical. THere is no way that we can go natural in this day and age. Don't try to fool yourself and believe that by going organic you will live a chemical free life.
True that.
Start with salt. It's got Chlorine in it, the same thing they put in pools!
And Sodium! Have you ever seen what happens when you put that stuff in water?!?!?!?!
Not to mention water. That stuff is a byproduct of burning rocket fuel!0 -
Ah, but the internet slips through the government's heavy fingers! Top ten hits, anyways!0
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peachyfuzzle wrote: »crazyjerseygirl wrote: »peachyfuzzle wrote: »crazyjerseygirl wrote: »Demon_Lord wrote: »I agree with Hari's statements, however its not practical. THere is no way that we can go natural in this day and age. Don't try to fool yourself and believe that by going organic you will live a chemical free life.
True that.
Start with salt. It's got Chlorine in it, the same thing they put in pools!
And Sodium! Have you ever seen what happens when you put that stuff in water?!?!?!?!
Yup. It makes you explode. Salt will bleach your innards then make you explode.
Gee, thanks for saving me from spontaneous combustion, Food Babe. I now owe you my undying allegiance
You're welcome citizen!
It's all a day in the life of
*puts fists on hips and smiles towards camera*
FOOD BABE!0 -
Do you guys remember a thread a few months back where a woman insisted that sodium bicarbonate was a toxin because they use it in rock quarry leaching processes or something like that? That was one of my favorite all time threads...0
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Do you guys remember a thread a few months back where a woman insisted that sodium bicarbonate was a toxin because they use it in rock quarry leaching processes or something like that? That was one of my favorite all time threads...
So because they use food for non-food things it's poison?
I wonder what they think of corn ethanol?0 -
crazyjerseygirl wrote: »Do you guys remember a thread a few months back where a woman insisted that sodium bicarbonate was a toxin because they use it in rock quarry leaching processes or something like that? That was one of my favorite all time threads...
So because they use food for non-food things it's poison?
I wonder what they think of corn ethanol?
Oh she was a peach. I can't remember what started it, I think it had something to do with KFC, she said that it was evil because they use chemicals in the chicken, and when we prompted her to name the evil chemicals she said sodium bicarbonate. You know, baking soda. She wouldn't back down though. Said she doesn't consume it. EVER.
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Do you guys remember a thread a few months back where a woman insisted that sodium bicarbonate was a toxin because they use it in rock quarry leaching processes or something like that? That was one of my favorite all time threads...
And because it was used to strip paint.
Of course, so are walnuts, but she didn't seem to care about that.
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crazyjerseygirl wrote: »Do you guys remember a thread a few months back where a woman insisted that sodium bicarbonate was a toxin because they use it in rock quarry leaching processes or something like that? That was one of my favorite all time threads...
So because they use food for non-food things it's poison?
I wonder what they think of corn ethanol?
Oh she was a peach. I can't remember what started it, I think it had something to do with KFC, she said that it was evil because they use chemicals in the chicken, and when we prompted her to name the evil chemicals she said sodium bicarbonate. You know, baking soda. She wouldn't back down though. Said she doesn't consume it. EVER.
I doubt any of us do. From Wikipedia:
"Above 50 °C, sodium bicarbonate gradually decomposes into sodium carbonate, water and carbon dioxide. The conversion is fast at 200 °C:[10]"
So she's right. She probably never eats any sodium bicarbonate. Probably eats a ton of that stuff though!0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »Do you guys remember a thread a few months back where a woman insisted that sodium bicarbonate was a toxin because they use it in rock quarry leaching processes or something like that? That was one of my favorite all time threads...
And because it was used to strip paint.
Of course, so are walnuts, but she didn't seem to care about that.
I once used walnut shells to dye my hair. Obviously evil chemicals.
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I have work I'm procrastinating from: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/30328467#Comment_303284670
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Do you guys remember a thread a few months back where a woman insisted that sodium bicarbonate was a toxin because they use it in rock quarry leaching processes or something like that? That was one of my favorite all time threads...
Yep, it took 15 pages to find out what the toxin in KFC was that made it non-food.....
She came in all high horse about the sodium bicarbonate that's used in, I thought a sand blasting type process, but "would you put that in your body"
25 replies back....You mean baking soda? She disappeared and I haven't seen them since.
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