OHP in squat rack?
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yopeeps025 wrote: »Question. Has anyone ever notice if you do both ways to OHP that having the bar start at rack position helping putting up anymore weigh?
for example if I knew that I could do 10 more pounds with an extra rep or two from rack position than from ground then why not start from rack position.
It helps me get out a couple of extra reps. It wouldn't let me add another 5 lbs to what I already do.*
* Using OHP as an accessory exercise, so lifting lower weight, higher reps. YMMV.0 -
Too late. My gym has a rack pretty much identical to that one, except it has additional fixed pins at my upper-thigh height. It's almost useless, except it's so much nicer to put the weights on the bar when the bar is off of the ground.
I use it to set up for bent over rows and deadlifts if the deadlift area is busy.
Or as a warmup area if the other squat racks and the power cage are busy.
I would not call it useless. You can use it to OHP or even use to squat if you are not planning to get near to failure, especially fronts.0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »My gym only has 1 squat rack. There isn't a power rack, there's a smith machine but I haven't heard good things about them.
Is it considered bad gym etiquette to do OHP in the squat rack? Cleaning the bar is getting quite tiresome and I'm just dreading the day something goes wrong when I can't get a rep out or something.
The squat rack I use is too short to OHP in, so I just set the pins on the outside ("front") of the rack and do it out there. I mean if you miss a rep you're just going to lower it back to your shoulders anyway, right? And if someone doesn't mind you being behind them then you could even OHP in front of the rack while they squat inside it.
I mean is everyone expected to power clean every OHP set? lulz
edit: was thinking power rack. for just a squat rack, idk, just hope no one asks you to leave, I guess.
nope they can use the bench if it is setup properly (similar to pic below)
...that's what I did until I got my squat rack at home.
I don't have issues with OHP'ing in the rack...even if there is just one rack...but if someone is waiting to do squats I would let them in and do what I mentioned above...because no I don't want to clean 90-100lbs (my OHP) for more than a couple reps...
If I wanted to do squats...I would ask them to either work me in or leave it for me as I needed it more than them...but that's only if there was one rack...
I have tried to unrack from benches before - unfortunately, the bench is too far back and I cannot get a good position - I end up having to lean over which is not ideal at all. If it is set up so you can, then I would try - but then again, you are now using a bench and the benchers will start complaining!!
Yah it's not ideal but worked for a while..wouldn't want to try it now that i have my own personal squat rack...
Me too - I have a power cage in my dining room (along with a commercial lat pull down/seated cable row, calf raise machine and deadlift platform lol).
I still occasionally lift in gyms - but only when working out with others and luckily have never had issues with people waiting to use squat racks or power cages in them (either because they were PL'ing gyms and had a bunch or because most people did not squat).
Yup, going to a gym takes way more time and effort than walking across my living room to my power rack. And nobody cares if I OHP with it. Or in it.
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Too late. My gym has a rack pretty much identical to that one, except it has additional fixed pins at my upper-thigh height. It's almost useless, except it's so much nicer to put the weights on the bar when the bar is off of the ground.
I use it to set up for bent over rows and deadlifts if the deadlift area is busy.
Or as a warmup area if the other squat racks and the power cage are busy.
I would not call it useless. You can use it to OHP or even use to squat if you are not planning to get near to failure, especially fronts.
True - except that I won't OHP with a barbell without safety pins since I flubbed it that one time when I wasn't anywhere near failure. Got bumped, lost control. Safety pins to the rescue.
And I will squat in it if I'm nowhere near failure and there's no other good option - that's my warmup.0 -
GuitarJerry wrote: »jenluvsushi wrote: »Because the OHP is the bane of my existence and because I sometimes struggle just to increase my lift by a measly 5 lbs, hell yes I use the squat rack. I am actually using the pegs and it is assisting me in the lift as opposed to curls. I am not about to clean and jerk it up and expell that energy that I could use to increase my lift. Unracking from a bench or jerking isn't ideal for me at this point. Luckily for me, there is rarely anyone using the rack at my gym anyway.
I agree with most of this, although, it is not the bane of my existence, it's one of my favorite exercises. But, I don't know why it bothers people so much. I am not going to clean the weight and waste my energy doing that. I already to power cleans as their own exercise on a different day from OHP day. People love me so much because OHP day is also front squat day, so I occupy my squat rack for a long time.
At least for most females, it takes longer to progress with it.
That's why I hate OHP since even with fractionals, it takes forever to progress.IsaackGMOON wrote: »My gym only has 1 squat rack. There isn't a power rack, there's a smith machine but I haven't heard good things about them.
Is it considered bad gym etiquette to do OHP in the squat rack? Cleaning the bar is getting quite tiresome and I'm just dreading the day something goes wrong when I can't get a rep out or something.
The squat rack I use is too short to OHP in, so I just set the pins on the outside ("front") of the rack and do it out there. I mean if you miss a rep you're just going to lower it back to your shoulders anyway, right? And if someone doesn't mind you being behind them then you could even OHP in front of the rack while they squat inside it.
I mean is everyone expected to power clean every OHP set? lulz
edit: was thinking power rack. for just a squat rack, idk, just hope no one asks you to leave, I guess.
nope they can use the bench if it is setup properly (similar to pic below)
...that's what I did until I got my squat rack at home.
I don't have issues with OHP'ing in the rack...even if there is just one rack...but if someone is waiting to do squats I would let them in and do what I mentioned above...because no I don't want to clean 90-100lbs (my OHP) for more than a couple reps...
If I wanted to do squats...I would ask them to either work me in or leave it for me as I needed it more than them...but that's only if there was one rack...
I have tried to unrack from benches before - unfortunately, the bench is too far back and I cannot get a good position - I end up having to lean over which is not ideal at all. If it is set up so you can, then I would try - but then again, you are now using a bench and the benchers will start complaining!!
Yah it's not ideal but worked for a while..wouldn't want to try it now that i have my own personal squat rack...
Me too - I have a power cage in my dining room (along with a commercial lat pull down/seated cable row, calf raise machine and deadlift platform lol).
I still occasionally lift in gyms - but only when working out with others and luckily have never had issues with people waiting to use squat racks or power cages in them (either because they were PL'ing gyms and had a bunch or because most people did not squat).
Yup, going to a gym takes way more time and effort than walking across my living room to my power rack. And nobody cares if I OHP with it. Or in it.
Love lifting in my basement.
Except now I have to do seated OHP since my ceiling is too low for standing.
Maybe if I was 5'2", it'd be ok lol0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?0 -
samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
Why not ask her to work in?0 -
samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
No. That's the risk you take when you belong to a gym with one rack. Your time in the rack could be perceived as selfish to someone else too, but that doesn't make it so.0 -
If you’re so worried about what’s going on in the squat rack, you’re probably a good candidate for a home gym.0
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samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
Why not ask her to work in?
Its not something Ive done before, quite new to all this. And the weight she was using was WAAAAAAY more than I would need, seems to me like it would be more trouble to both of us than its worth._dracarys_ wrote: »samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
No. That's the risk you take when you belong to a gym with one rack. Your time in the rack could be perceived as selfish to someone else too, but that doesn't make it so.
As I say, Im conflicted with it. I know when I reach that stage though that I would do my best to get in there at times I know it will be quiet, to at least minimise any imposition I might cause.
It is frustrating the gym has only one rack, thats the biggest annoyance for me. The other option I have costs nearly 4x as much though - so isnt an option!0 -
Solution: Find a better gym. Preferably one with more than 2 power racks.0
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samhennings wrote: »samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
Why not ask her to work in?
Its not something Ive done before, quite new to all this. And the weight she was using was WAAAAAAY more than I would need, seems to me like it would be more trouble to both of us than its worth._dracarys_ wrote: »samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
No. That's the risk you take when you belong to a gym with one rack. Your time in the rack could be perceived as selfish to someone else too, but that doesn't make it so.
As I say, Im conflicted with it. I know when I reach that stage though that I would do my best to get in there at times I know it will be quiet, to at least minimise any imposition I might cause.
It is frustrating the gym has only one rack, thats the biggest annoyance for me. The other option I have costs nearly 4x as much though - so isnt an option!
I think people's annoyance is being misplace a lot of the time. I would be annoyed to, its human nature, but the annoyance should be at only having one squat rack/power cage and not at someone who is using it for a perfectly legitimate reason.
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My current gym doesn't have this. My previous one did. I miss this thing.IsaackGMOON wrote: »My gym only has 1 squat rack. There isn't a power rack, there's a smith machine but I haven't heard good things about them.
Is it considered bad gym etiquette to do OHP in the squat rack? Cleaning the bar is getting quite tiresome and I'm just dreading the day something goes wrong when I can't get a rep out or something.
The squat rack I use is too short to OHP in, so I just set the pins on the outside ("front") of the rack and do it out there. I mean if you miss a rep you're just going to lower it back to your shoulders anyway, right? And if someone doesn't mind you being behind them then you could even OHP in front of the rack while they squat inside it.
I mean is everyone expected to power clean every OHP set? lulz
edit: was thinking power rack. for just a squat rack, idk, just hope no one asks you to leave, I guess.
nope they can use the bench if it is setup properly (similar to pic below)
...that's what I did until I got my squat rack at home.
I don't have issues with OHP'ing in the rack...even if there is just one rack...but if someone is waiting to do squats I would let them in and do what I mentioned above...because no I don't want to clean 90-100lbs (my OHP) for more than a couple reps...
If I wanted to do squats...I would ask them to either work me in or leave it for me as I needed it more than them...but that's only if there was one rack...
I have tried to unrack from benches before - unfortunately, the bench is too far back and I cannot get a good position - I end up having to lean over which is not ideal at all. If it is set up so you can, then I would try - but then again, you are now using a bench and the benchers will start complaining!!
Luckily, we have an upright military bench/rack/thing in my gym. The front supports (for bailing out of the seated press) are out in front of the bench and so it's pretty easy to get under the bar, and I only have to bend my knees a little to get into position. It's a good alternative for me when the squat racks are busy.
Kind of looks like this although the front supports are a little different:
My biggest problem with our squat racks is that the supports are way too high, and I can't hit parallel in them (and I'm not particularly short at 5'8"). Most girls who hit parallel squat behind the racks, which isn't the safest. I try to squat in the power cage if I can, but we only have one. And it's way more convenient now that I've switched to 5/3/1. Doing 5x5, I had to squat in the cage, and then move elsewhere to OHP (power cage is too short to OHP in) and DL (or just deal with moving the pins and supports out). And of course, it never occurred to me to put the pins in the front of the cage until I saw it a few weeks ago. Sigh. Apparently my brain does not function as well as I thought it did at 5am...
Also, my gym is the land of misfit equipment, I swear...
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Lol, so do you eat on your bench?IsaackGMOON wrote: »My gym only has 1 squat rack. There isn't a power rack, there's a smith machine but I haven't heard good things about them.
Is it considered bad gym etiquette to do OHP in the squat rack? Cleaning the bar is getting quite tiresome and I'm just dreading the day something goes wrong when I can't get a rep out or something.
The squat rack I use is too short to OHP in, so I just set the pins on the outside ("front") of the rack and do it out there. I mean if you miss a rep you're just going to lower it back to your shoulders anyway, right? And if someone doesn't mind you being behind them then you could even OHP in front of the rack while they squat inside it.
I mean is everyone expected to power clean every OHP set? lulz
edit: was thinking power rack. for just a squat rack, idk, just hope no one asks you to leave, I guess.
nope they can use the bench if it is setup properly (similar to pic below)
...that's what I did until I got my squat rack at home.
I don't have issues with OHP'ing in the rack...even if there is just one rack...but if someone is waiting to do squats I would let them in and do what I mentioned above...because no I don't want to clean 90-100lbs (my OHP) for more than a couple reps...
If I wanted to do squats...I would ask them to either work me in or leave it for me as I needed it more than them...but that's only if there was one rack...
I have tried to unrack from benches before - unfortunately, the bench is too far back and I cannot get a good position - I end up having to lean over which is not ideal at all. If it is set up so you can, then I would try - but then again, you are now using a bench and the benchers will start complaining!!
Yah it's not ideal but worked for a while..wouldn't want to try it now that i have my own personal squat rack...
Me too - I have a power cage in my dining room (along with a commercial lat pull down/seated cable row, calf raise machine and deadlift platform lol).
I still occasionally lift in gyms - but only when working out with others and luckily have never had issues with people waiting to use squat racks or power cages in them (either because they were PL'ing gyms and had a bunch or because most people did not squat).
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DING DING, we have a winner. As a trainer, sometime the racks are in use and even though I may have initially had it in plan for a client that day, I modify by doing a different exercise working the same muscle. Life happens and it's not always going to be in your favor.AllanMisner wrote: »If you’re so worried about what’s going on in the squat rack, you’re probably a good candidate for a home gym.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »
I never said you did. I didn't imply anything. I asked a question.yopeeps025 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »
Where should someone squat when someone squatting is in the squat rack?
So then no one should complaining when someone is using the squat rack to do any exercise?
Strawman.
Where did I say/imply that?
What you did imply was that OHP and squats go hand in hand in the squat rack which I totally disagree with.
No I did not and yes you did.yopeeps025 wrote: »
Where should someone squat when someone squatting is in the squat rack?
So what was this question? A joke? Sarcasm? Did I interpet this wrong?
Neither. I was making a point that people have to wait if a power cage/squat rack is being used, or just work in.
It's probably easier to work in with someone OHP'ing.
For example, my OHP can be as quick as 10 minutes if someone is waiting. The person wanting to squat can do their warm ups during this time - either using the weight I have on the bar, or adding more. It is no real difference than working in with someone squatting - but much quicker - so timing is probably such that it is less of a disruption to their routine.
Also, I have no idea where you went from OHP/Squats to any lift/squats. I never said or implied that.
You asked a question earlier we how much you can lift from pins v cleaning the bar. I can lift more from pins and have less chance of injury. If I am doing OHP, I am training OHP. I am not training cleans. I need pins to get a decent OHP session in. I do not care where the pins are - but usually they are on the squat rack/power cage, so that is where I will press. However, as with any lift you are doing, you need to be respectful to other lifters and allow them to work in where possible. I also think that you should try to adapt your routine as much as you can to allow for squatters to use the power cage/squat rack - but within reason.
Your first sentence.Neither. I was making a point that people have to wait if a power cage/squat rack is being used, or just work in.
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So if we are waiting or working in then we cannot complain when people use the rack to do any exercise.
interesting with your pins vs cleans.
Also I know your not using me per say but I only squat in the racks.
What is it with the strawmen?
Again...where did I say/imply that? If you read my response, it should be pretty clear that I did not.
You may only squat in the racks. I also do OHPs, for reasons already noted.
While yes you are only talking about OHP and Squats I was not. I was talking about any exercise in the rack.Neither. I was making a point that people have to wait if a power cage/squat rack is being used, or just work in.
For example. today is squat day for me on 5/3/1 program. I know 100% that when I go to the gym today that the rack will be in use. My gym only has one because we love to be a weak community college. 90% of the time it not squats or rack pulls. I'm going to ask how many sets person has doing whatever exercise it is. If another bar is available I will do my warm up sets with dl,clean,OHP to back squat. It gets to a certain point where I need to pins. People do notice that in the past and have given up doing something other then squats in the rack so I could continue to increase weight in the rack. It usually the person either curling or doing shoulder shrugs in the rack. Thinking about gym goers at my gym, people are not OHP in the squat rack.
As much as I like to work in with someone it would almost take more time to lift than I lift, change weight, then set timer to 60 seconds.
And my post responded.
If you want me to lay it out for you.....no, not any exercise but I am not even sure why you are asking me as its a silly question imo.
Not sure why you are setting a timer for 60 seconds either tbh.
It is the way I use rest periods. I like to keep them very short on strength days. I even keep them short on a max day until like 95% of max then I bump timer up to 2 minutes for max lifts.
No way can I do 60 second rests even on hyper days on working sets and definitely not on strength days - not even 2 minutes. I rest up to 10 minutes between some sets for strength days.
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samhennings wrote: »samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
Why not ask her to work in?
Its not something Ive done before, quite new to all this. And the weight she was using was WAAAAAAY more than I would need, seems to me like it would be more trouble to both of us than its worth._dracarys_ wrote: »samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
No. That's the risk you take when you belong to a gym with one rack. Your time in the rack could be perceived as selfish to someone else too, but that doesn't make it so.
As I say, Im conflicted with it. I know when I reach that stage though that I would do my best to get in there at times I know it will be quiet, to at least minimise any imposition I might cause.
It is frustrating the gym has only one rack, thats the biggest annoyance for me. The other option I have costs nearly 4x as much though - so isnt an option!
I think people's annoyance is being misplace a lot of the time. I would be annoyed to, its human nature, but the annoyance should be at only having one squat rack/power cage and not at someone who is using it for a perfectly legitimate reason.
Thats pretty much where I ended up on it. Full credit to her, she was doing great, yet it annoyed me I couldnt do what I wanted to do.
I started at this gym because it was affordable and I wasnt sure I would stick to it. Sooner or later I think I might "graduate" to a better one depending on finances and how I progress.
I have literally 2 options at the moment, £20 a month on this budget place or £70 a month on Nuffield Health. Nuffield was just far to rich for my taste, especially as Im new to all this.
I accept I need to suck it up when it comes to the budget place's lack of racks.0 -
samhennings wrote: »samhennings wrote: »samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
Why not ask her to work in?
Its not something Ive done before, quite new to all this. And the weight she was using was WAAAAAAY more than I would need, seems to me like it would be more trouble to both of us than its worth._dracarys_ wrote: »samhennings wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »sgthaggard wrote: »
Agreed but it really isn't necessary esp if there is only one squat rack because let's be honest...if you fail at an ohp chances are it's not gonna go anywhere but just stay on your chest area...yes being in the Squat rack makes it easier to get it off your chest but not that nice if there is only one squat rack....
but that's why I have my own personal squat rack and work out at home as I prefer not to have to deal with this sort of thing...funny thing is I ohp in my own squat rack.
And to all those who say they do it and don't see an issue...the question is about etiquette when there is only one rack in the whole gym....and no it's not proper etiquette to take up the one and only squat rack for non squat lifts.
They pay for the gym as well, no?
yes they do..but just cause you pay for a gym membership doesn't mean you own it and can do what you want whenever you want...it would be different if there are multiple racks but in this case there is only one and everyone has to admit if you knew that someone wanted to do squats for you to stand in the one place for them to safely do them for OHP it is rude esp when there are other options for OHP but not so much for squats.
So, would it be any better if I decided to do a high volume squat workout with say Squats, and Front Squats back to back?
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for someone doing OHP, as opposed to 30 mins for a high volume squat session.
I had this the other day. A girl was doing a heavy squatting session in the rack (impressive weight!) but she was in there the whole time I was in the gym. After about an hour I got fed up and did my squats in the smith machine, which sucked.
Its conflicting for me.
On one hand, full respect to her for being so serious about her fitness. And of course, she pays her money and has every right to use the equipment. On the other, with only one rack in the gym, isnt it a bit selfish to take the rack for so long at busy times?
No. That's the risk you take when you belong to a gym with one rack. Your time in the rack could be perceived as selfish to someone else too, but that doesn't make it so.
As I say, Im conflicted with it. I know when I reach that stage though that I would do my best to get in there at times I know it will be quiet, to at least minimise any imposition I might cause.
It is frustrating the gym has only one rack, thats the biggest annoyance for me. The other option I have costs nearly 4x as much though - so isnt an option!
I think people's annoyance is being misplace a lot of the time. I would be annoyed to, its human nature, but the annoyance should be at only having one squat rack/power cage and not at someone who is using it for a perfectly legitimate reason.
Thats pretty much where I ended up on it. Full credit to her, she was doing great, yet it annoyed me I couldnt do what I wanted to do.
I started at this gym because it was affordable and I wasnt sure I would stick to it. Sooner or later I think I might "graduate" to a better one depending on finances and how I progress.
I have literally 2 options at the moment, £20 a month on this budget place or £70 a month on Nuffield Health. Nuffield was just far to rich for my taste, especially as Im new to all this.
I accept I need to suck it up when it comes to the budget place's lack of racks.
You could stick with your £20/month place and stick the difference (or as much as you can) aside whilst you scour ebay/gumtree/freecycle and the like for 2nd hand pieces of kit - build up your own set-up....0 -
You could stick with your £20/month place and stick the difference (or as much as you can) aside whilst you scour ebay/gumtree/freecycle and the like for 2nd hand pieces of kit - build up your own set-up....
again, something Ive got in the back of my mind. We have no space for that at all at the moment, but if we look to move Ill be wanting a garage or something I can use to set up at home!
Assuming my current enthusiasm keeps going!0 -
samhennings wrote: »
You could stick with your £20/month place and stick the difference (or as much as you can) aside whilst you scour ebay/gumtree/freecycle and the like for 2nd hand pieces of kit - build up your own set-up....
again, something Ive got in the back of my mind. We have no space for that at all at the moment, but if we look to move Ill be wanting a garage or something I can use to set up at home!
Assuming my current enthusiasm keeps going!
Well the beauty of sticking a bit of cash away a month (again, if you can afford it) is that if later on down the road you decide you want to change your mind - you have a bunch of cash to spend on something else.
Also, once you own your own equipment your gym fees go down to £0/month... it's actually a great long term investment that will end up saving you money. I did the same thing with hair clippers. After I'd shaved my own head 4 times they'd paid for themselves - 8 years later? I'm still profiting...0 -
Squat racks to hair clippers.
Interesting turn for this thread, but I think I like it.0 -
samhennings wrote: »
You could stick with your £20/month place and stick the difference (or as much as you can) aside whilst you scour ebay/gumtree/freecycle and the like for 2nd hand pieces of kit - build up your own set-up....
again, something Ive got in the back of my mind. We have no space for that at all at the moment, but if we look to move Ill be wanting a garage or something I can use to set up at home!
Assuming my current enthusiasm keeps going!
Well the beauty of sticking a bit of cash away a month (again, if you can afford it) is that if later on down the road you decide you want to change your mind - you have a bunch of cash to spend on something else.
Also, once you own your own equipment your gym fees go down to £0/month... it's actually a great long term investment that will end up saving you money. I did the same thing with hair clippers. After I'd shaved my own head 4 times they'd paid for themselves - 8 years later? I'm still profiting...
Already in on the clippers! Cut my hair once a week, keep it tidy - cost me £20 for the clippers a few years ago. Used to cost £12 a time!
Im with you on the at home gym, and will ceertainly keep it as an option.0 -
samhennings wrote: »
You could stick with your £20/month place and stick the difference (or as much as you can) aside whilst you scour ebay/gumtree/freecycle and the like for 2nd hand pieces of kit - build up your own set-up....
again, something Ive got in the back of my mind. We have no space for that at all at the moment, but if we look to move Ill be wanting a garage or something I can use to set up at home!
Assuming my current enthusiasm keeps going!
Well the beauty of sticking a bit of cash away a month (again, if you can afford it) is that if later on down the road you decide you want to change your mind - you have a bunch of cash to spend on something else.
Also, once you own your own equipment your gym fees go down to £0/month... it's actually a great long term investment that will end up saving you money. I did the same thing with hair clippers. After I'd shaved my own head 4 times they'd paid for themselves - 8 years later? I'm still profiting...
My home gym is great, I love it.
I wish my particular situation allowed for a treadmill (I have the space but it's the noise they make). I settled for a bike trainer instead.
Then broke my leg... lol
It really does pay for itself. Between not using gas plus gym fees. And even if it didn't, I don't have to deal with people so that's a major win
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lishie_rebooted wrote: »samhennings wrote: »
You could stick with your £20/month place and stick the difference (or as much as you can) aside whilst you scour ebay/gumtree/freecycle and the like for 2nd hand pieces of kit - build up your own set-up....
again, something Ive got in the back of my mind. We have no space for that at all at the moment, but if we look to move Ill be wanting a garage or something I can use to set up at home!
Assuming my current enthusiasm keeps going!
Well the beauty of sticking a bit of cash away a month (again, if you can afford it) is that if later on down the road you decide you want to change your mind - you have a bunch of cash to spend on something else.
Also, once you own your own equipment your gym fees go down to £0/month... it's actually a great long term investment that will end up saving you money. I did the same thing with hair clippers. After I'd shaved my own head 4 times they'd paid for themselves - 8 years later? I'm still profiting...
My home gym is great, I love it.
I wish my particular situation allowed for a treadmill (I have the space but it's the noise they make). I settled for a bike trainer instead.
Then broke my leg... lol
It really does pay for itself. Between not using gas plus gym fees. And even if it didn't, I don't have to deal with people so that's a major win
Home gyms don't have to be too expensive either.
2nd hand benches/bars/weights can usually be found on kijiji/craigs list. If you have someone in your family who is handy have them build you a squat rack/power cage (I am lucky my son is a welder husband is an engineer so power cage is in the works)
the plates can get you tho..depending on type (for olympic bar vs standard bar) I pay about 1$ a pound regardless of where I get them...but I buy what I need slowly. Already up to about 300lbs in plates.
I love my home gym I can OHP/curl/squat etc in my squat rack if I want...blast my music without ear phones, people aren't coming to chat me up so no distractions...well except the husband groping me mid push on OHP once or the cats circling...
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would love to have a well equipped home gym. also would probably keep a gym membership, and do all of my free weights, stretch.... i'll even get changed, IN the squat rack
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Also, once you own your own equipment your gym fees go down to £0/month... it's actually a great long term investment that will end up saving you money. I did the same thing with hair clippers. After I'd shaved my own head 4 times they'd paid for themselves - 8 years later? I'm still profiting...
same- when I used to shave my head- they were 27$- a hair cut was 32... they literally paid for themselves in a single use.
and then I threw them away when I moved.
And I'm sad.0 -
Also, once you own your own equipment your gym fees go down to £0/month... it's actually a great long term investment that will end up saving you money. I did the same thing with hair clippers. After I'd shaved my own head 4 times they'd paid for themselves - 8 years later? I'm still profiting...
same- when I used to shave my head- they were 27$- a hair cut was 32... they literally paid for themselves in a single use.
and then I threw them away when I moved.
And I'm sad.
See, I've always thought there's not enough clipper-talk on this forum...
... anyway, you can borrow mine Jo. We'll have you shaved up before you know it!0
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