Something I learned to avoid carbs
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »OP yes i learned the same thing. I increased my carbs these last few days due to some supplements I am taking. And I have been over my calories. I rarely go over my calories when I eat a keto based diet. I am over my calories because i ate some cheez-its, now i am still hungry. Maybe biological science doesn't exist and it's just bad luck.
And yet on days where I eat more carbs I manage to stick to my calorie allowance, and it's not because I'm suffering through unspeakable (or any) hunger. Go figure.
You should know n = 1 isn't valid for the general population. With all BS aside, in all honesty. As I said before, as I also said in my last post on this topic. Carbs aren't necessarily bad, It's the type of carbs, the more processed the carb the more likely you will over eat it. I highly doubt the majority of your carb source on your higher carb days is chips, donuts, hoho's etc..
A majority of my carb source was that today. I took a day and just enjoyed myself. Coolatta, some oreos, some popcorn yet i stayed in my calorie goal.
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Hmm. I don't really think of food as carbs, good or bad. I think about my nutrition goals, and the foods that make me feel good over time... I probably WILL count my intake and measure my progress for the rest of my life, never wanting to go back to the way I was. I do eat carbs, but avoid starches that my body seems to metabolize as sugar: potatoes, rice, pasta, bread... I would rather have sautéd mushrooms, anyway. Eating in whichever order works for you to keep on track is the right thing to do. Keep up the good work.0
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »OP yes i learned the same thing. I increased my carbs these last few days due to some supplements I am taking. And I have been over my calories. I rarely go over my calories when I eat a keto based diet. I am over my calories because i ate some cheez-its, now i am still hungry. Maybe biological science doesn't exist and it's just bad luck.
And yet on days where I eat more carbs I manage to stick to my calorie allowance, and it's not because I'm suffering through unspeakable (or any) hunger. Go figure.
You should know n = 1 isn't valid for the general population. With all BS aside, in all honesty. As I said before, as I also said in my last post on this topic. Carbs aren't necessarily bad, It's the type of carbs, the more processed the carb the more likely you will over eat it. I highly doubt the majority of your carb source on your higher carb days is chips, donuts, hoho's etc..
"n=1" ??? I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure out how to blame anything and everything else and I can only blame myself. Woe is me :sad:0 -
golfgirl99 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »OP yes i learned the same thing. I increased my carbs these last few days due to some supplements I am taking. And I have been over my calories. I rarely go over my calories when I eat a keto based diet. I am over my calories because i ate some cheez-its, now i am still hungry. Maybe biological science doesn't exist and it's just bad luck.
And yet on days where I eat more carbs I manage to stick to my calorie allowance, and it's not because I'm suffering through unspeakable (or any) hunger. Go figure.
You should know n = 1 isn't valid for the general population. With all BS aside, in all honesty. As I said before, as I also said in my last post on this topic. Carbs aren't necessarily bad, It's the type of carbs, the more processed the carb the more likely you will over eat it. I highly doubt the majority of your carb source on your higher carb days is chips, donuts, hoho's etc..
A majority of my carb source was that today. I took a day and just enjoyed myself. Coolatta, some oreos, some popcorn yet i stayed in my calorie goal.
Congratulations....that works for you...
It works for a lot of people. No need to demonize food in the end. If it's about control then fine you need to let them go but the comments like carbs make you eat and gain weight and are bad! It just blows me away.0 -
shifterbrainz wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »OP yes i learned the same thing. I increased my carbs these last few days due to some supplements I am taking. And I have been over my calories. I rarely go over my calories when I eat a keto based diet. I am over my calories because i ate some cheez-its, now i am still hungry. Maybe biological science doesn't exist and it's just bad luck.
And yet on days where I eat more carbs I manage to stick to my calorie allowance, and it's not because I'm suffering through unspeakable (or any) hunger. Go figure.
You should know n = 1 isn't valid for the general population. With all BS aside, in all honesty. As I said before, as I also said in my last post on this topic. Carbs aren't necessarily bad, It's the type of carbs, the more processed the carb the more likely you will over eat it. I highly doubt the majority of your carb source on your higher carb days is chips, donuts, hoho's etc..
"n=1" ??? I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure out how to blame anything and everything else and I can only blame myself. Woe is me :sad:
No, no, da ebil carbz made you do it. It's not your fault, you can't be held responsible.0 -
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I do eat carbs, but avoid starches that my body seems to metabolize as sugar: potatoes, rice, pasta, bread...
THIS is the way to do it. Research has shown that sugar and the sugar in certain carbs, especially simple sugars like those in candy, pastries, etc.,stimulates pleasure centers in the brain and makes you powerfully crave more and more. It is NOT just a matter of willpower.
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We can very well have a reasonable discussion about this. My point is that people are looking for something to blame, before it was fat, now it's carbs and even more sugar. Would you like to take a guess on what the next boogymen is going to be that makes us lose our senses and eat with no abandon?
And yes it does come down to exercising control. If you cannot control yourself around food then yes, reduce your intake and even let it go if you have to. I have no problem with low carb dieters if that helps them but what I don't like is the fear mongering that goes on.0 -
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You got to be careful with the brain sugar connection. They will bring up "petting animals does the same thing, so you're addicted to petting animals." It's neglected that there is positive and negative association with things.I do eat carbs, but avoid starches that my body seems to metabolize as sugar: potatoes, rice, pasta, bread...
THIS is the way to do it. Research has shown that sugar and the sugar in certain carbs, especially simple sugars like those in candy, pastries, etc.,stimulates pleasure centers in the brain and makes you powerfully crave more and more. It is NOT just a matter of willpower.
Yep we do because overall it shows how our brains processes pleasure.0 -
flyingtanuki wrote: »I do eat carbs, but avoid starches that my body seems to metabolize as sugar: potatoes, rice, pasta, bread...
THIS is the way to do it. Research has shown that sugar and the sugar in certain carbs, especially simple sugars like those in candy, pastries, etc.,stimulates pleasure centers in the brain and makes you powerfully crave more and more. It is NOT just a matter of willpower.
So should we avoid things that "stimulate pleasure centers in the brain", like kittens, hobbies, falling in love, mom, hot dogs and apple pie? Or is just the apple pie off the table?
I guess it's pleasure that's to blame? I'm so confused :sick: But one's thing is for sure - can't avoid moms. Tomorrow is Mother's Day
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shifterbrainz wrote: »flyingtanuki wrote: »I do eat carbs, but avoid starches that my body seems to metabolize as sugar: potatoes, rice, pasta, bread...
THIS is the way to do it. Research has shown that sugar and the sugar in certain carbs, especially simple sugars like those in candy, pastries, etc.,stimulates pleasure centers in the brain and makes you powerfully crave more and more. It is NOT just a matter of willpower.
So should we avoid things that "stimulate pleasure centers in the brain", like kittens, hobbies, falling in love, mom, hot dogs and apple pie? Or is just the apple pie off the table?
I guess it's pleasure that's to blame? I'm so confused :sick: But one's thing is for sure - can't avoid moms. Tomorrow is Mother's Day
Yes, it is mothers day tomorrow. I'm really dreading it
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Pu, I wonder if your situation was the same as mine and that might be the reason why you were still hungry and /or craving.
When I first started to lose weight I gave up cheese. Vermont has great cheese and it's yummy. I was over eating it with a lot of apples and grapes. My favorite combination of cheese and fruit. I had to let it go and slowly return it to my life after I learned a bit of control. When I first introduced it back it was very very very good, since I haven't had it for a while I really wanted more. I wanted to just take the whole block with me just like I used to do but I had more control not to.0 -
stopmandyclay1982 wrote: »Carbs cause insulin levels to rise in your body, which in return make you eat more and gain weight. Carbs are horrible! You wanna see some fast weightloss? Just setyour carbs to 20%
and you will be blown away 
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We can very well have a reasonable discussion about this. My point is that people are looking for something to blame, before it was fat, now it's carbs and even more sugar. Would you like to take a guess on what the next boogymen is going to be that makes us lose our senses and eat with no abandon?
And yes it does come down to exercising control. If you cannot control yourself around food then yes, reduce your intake and even let it go if you have to. I have no problem with low carb dieters if that helps them but what I don't like is the fear mongering that goes on.
Okay I agree with you that "demonizing" foods isn't correct. Personally, when my diet mostly consist of processed carbs. I am hungrier compared to if i ate keto. As I said in the past, I was lucky to even get in my calories on keto after a few weeks. I was coming in at 1,500-1,750 a day. I started to increase my carbs lately due to some supplements i am taking and to avoid hyopglycemia. Yet today I am closing in roughly at 3,000 calories. This is roughly Double the calories, compared to the keto i was doing. If someone is going to imply I am lacking "will power/self control" I would have also lacked it on the keto. Since the constant is myself. My self control doesn't become greater on keto compared to a higher carb diet. Frankly that doesn't make any sense.
About restricting, I don't see that as a viable means to long term weight loss. I exercised my "will power" down to a max loss of 192lbs. It was difficult. Yet I gained back 50lbs. Some might say, "well you're restricting carbs now, you need to exercise will power for that" which isn't true either, if you have no desire for them, then there is no issue.
You're still restricting, do you not eat any carbs at all now? Or do you watch your intake and try to stay close to your target?0 -
flyingtanuki wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »shifterbrainz wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »OP yes i learned the same thing. I increased my carbs these last few days due to some supplements I am taking. And I have been over my calories. I rarely go over my calories when I eat a keto based diet. I am over my calories because i ate some cheez-its, now i am still hungry. Maybe biological science doesn't exist and it's just bad luck.
And yet on days where I eat more carbs I manage to stick to my calorie allowance, and it's not because I'm suffering through unspeakable (or any) hunger. Go figure.
You should know n = 1 isn't valid for the general population. With all BS aside, in all honesty. As I said before, as I also said in my last post on this topic. Carbs aren't necessarily bad, It's the type of carbs, the more processed the carb the more likely you will over eat it. I highly doubt the majority of your carb source on your higher carb days is chips, donuts, hoho's etc..
"n=1" ??? I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure out how to blame anything and everything else and I can only blame myself. Woe is me :sad:
No, no, da ebil carbz made you do it. It's not your fault, you can't be held responsible.
Lead us not into temptation...
That is well, that is wow... lol. I even love how they put limbo in there.0 -
Pu, I wonder if your situation was the same as mine and that might be the reason why you were still hungry and /or craving.
When I first started to lose weight I gave up cheese. Vermont has great cheese and it's yummy. I was over eating it with a lot of apples and grapes. My favorite combination of cheese and fruit. I had to let it go and slowly return it to my life after I learned a bit of control. When I first introduced it back it was very very very good, since I haven't had it for a while I really wanted more. I wanted to just take the whole block with me just like I used to do but I had more control not to.
Deprivation makes me crazy. If I know I CAN'T have something, I want it even more. and when I get it - and I will always get it - I will eat way too much of it. The only answer is control the quantity.0 -
flyingtanuki wrote: »I do eat carbs, but avoid starches that my body seems to metabolize as sugar: potatoes, rice, pasta, bread...
THIS is the way to do it. Research has shown that sugar and the sugar in certain carbs, especially simple sugars like those in candy, pastries, etc.,stimulates pleasure centers in the brain and makes you powerfully crave more and more. It is NOT just a matter of willpower.
So should we avoid things that "stimulate pleasure centers in the brain", like kittens, hobbies, falling in love, mom, hot dogs and apple pie? Or is just the apple pie off the table?
If you overindulge in the pleasure to the point that the pleasure is bad for you, i.e. gaining weight, then YES you should avoid it! Sheesh.0 -
flyingtanuki wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »shifterbrainz wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »OP yes i learned the same thing. I increased my carbs these last few days due to some supplements I am taking. And I have been over my calories. I rarely go over my calories when I eat a keto based diet. I am over my calories because i ate some cheez-its, now i am still hungry. Maybe biological science doesn't exist and it's just bad luck.
And yet on days where I eat more carbs I manage to stick to my calorie allowance, and it's not because I'm suffering through unspeakable (or any) hunger. Go figure.
You should know n = 1 isn't valid for the general population. With all BS aside, in all honesty. As I said before, as I also said in my last post on this topic. Carbs aren't necessarily bad, It's the type of carbs, the more processed the carb the more likely you will over eat it. I highly doubt the majority of your carb source on your higher carb days is chips, donuts, hoho's etc..
"n=1" ??? I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure out how to blame anything and everything else and I can only blame myself. Woe is me :sad:
No, no, da ebil carbz made you do it. It's not your fault, you can't be held responsible.
Lead us not into temptation...
So it's not the donuts? It's the women tempting us with donuts!!!!0 -
flyingtanuki wrote: »I do eat carbs, but avoid starches that my body seems to metabolize as sugar: potatoes, rice, pasta, bread...
THIS is the way to do it. Research has shown that sugar and the sugar in certain carbs, especially simple sugars like those in candy, pastries, etc.,stimulates pleasure centers in the brain and makes you powerfully crave more and more. It is NOT just a matter of willpower.
So should we avoid things that "stimulate pleasure centers in the brain", like kittens, hobbies, falling in love, mom, hot dogs and apple pie? Or is just the apple pie off the table?
If you overindulge in the pleasure to the point that the pleasure is bad for you, i.e. gaining weight, then YES you should avoid it! Sheesh.
So exercising control is a good thing to do. If you over indulge then exercise control and that's different for each person. Some people need to give it up completely and some people can have a little bit here and there but in the end the food didn't make us do it. We like food, we eat for enjoyment as well as nourishment. Eating is pleasurable. You can very well overeat on a low carb diet and overeating is what causes us to gain weight.0 -
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »mandyclay1982 wrote: »Carbs cause insulin levels to rise in your body, which in return make you eat more and gain weight. Carbs are horrible! You wanna see some fast weightloss? Just setyour carbs to 20% and you will be blown away
There is no such thing as a food that makes you eat more. You either eat or you don't.
If you're hungry, are you going to eat more or less of it?
I'm not going to eat anything just because my body is giving artificial hunger signals when it doesn't need anything. That was what got me overweight in the first place.
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When did carbs become the red headed step child?0
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flyingtanuki wrote: »I do eat carbs, but avoid starches that my body seems to metabolize as sugar: potatoes, rice, pasta, bread...
THIS is the way to do it. Research has shown that sugar and the sugar in certain carbs, especially simple sugars like those in candy, pastries, etc.,stimulates pleasure centers in the brain and makes you powerfully crave more and more. It is NOT just a matter of willpower.
So should we avoid things that "stimulate pleasure centers in the brain", like kittens, hobbies, falling in love, mom, hot dogs and apple pie? Or is just the apple pie off the table?
If you overindulge in the pleasure to the point that the pleasure is bad for you, i.e. gaining weight, then YES you should avoid it! Sheesh.
I imagine you are right but what's in all comfort foods other than carbs? That's right, protein, fat and salt. You can try to eliminate anything that scares you or you can learn to deal with it in other ways. One of the biggest problems is that people who move to these extreme forms of restrictive diets are the ones who fear exercising (I'll make exceptions for medical conditions on that). If all you are doing to lose/control your weight is on the diet side you will have a rough go of it.0 -
Artificial hunger signals... are just that. They're not real. Do you think they're going to go away or do you plan to be hungry the rest of your life? This is why a lot of people adopt a lower carb life style, one of the benefits is those artificial hunger signals aren't presents.PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »mandyclay1982 wrote: »Carbs cause insulin levels to rise in your body, which in return make you eat more and gain weight. Carbs are horrible! You wanna see some fast weightloss? Just setyour carbs to 20% and you will be blown away
There is no such thing as a food that makes you eat more. You either eat or you don't.
If you're hungry, are you going to eat more or less of it?
I'm not going to eat anything just because my body is giving artificial hunger signals when it doesn't need anything. That was what got me overweight in the first place.
Are you saying they don't go away? Because they do, I had them badly when I first started reducing my intake and now not so much.0 -
How are simple carbs not good for us? Lots of fruit are simple carbs. Milk sugar is a simple carb. Maltose is a simple carb.LisaLydens - of course veggies are good carbs...low carb foods, good carbs. So I'm sure what you meant were the sweet carbs, the simple ones that are not good for us. Thank you for sharing.
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How are simple carbs not good for us? Lots of fruit are simple carbs. Milk sugar is a simple carb. Maltose is a simple carb.LisaLydens - of course veggies are good carbs...low carb foods, good carbs. So I'm sure what you meant were the sweet carbs, the simple ones that are not good for us. Thank you for sharing.
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