Perspective - Not all calories created equal
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What if I told you you could have both?0
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I think the take away from this thread is there needs to be some sort of donut-spingroll hybrid. Like maybe donuts stuffed in the springroll or maybe instead of rice paper you have something like donut paper with veggies still inside of it. Either way it's glazed. That's a given. Also I'm using nacho cheese instead of mustard. That's just me though.
I was thinking the same thing!
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They were really good
but unfortunately the rice wrapper was soggy and it fell apart, so it was a huge salad, but with the mustard I don't even care. It tasted great! and honestly I'd rather eat it than the doughnut anyway, regardless of the calorie count. 0 -
What are some calorie comparisons that you have discovered since using mfp that are pretty amazing?
Can't really think of any--I haven't been especially surprised about the calories in anything. (I knew non starchy vegetables were low calorie and that donuts were higher calorie per volume, of course. I guess sometimes the amount which meat can vary strikes me.)
I also almost never find myself choosing between food options based on calories. I like my meals to be a consistent number of calories usually and tend to choose a mix of foods that will hit it. For example, breakfast involves eggs (I'd never choose whites only, even though they have fewer calories), veggies, fruit and dairy, typically. Some of those have more calories, some less, I choose them because I enjoy them and they make a balanced meal that also tastes good to me.
Oh, and I don't see what any of this has to do with a calorie is a calorie. If one is a volume eater (which I am, to a certain extent) some foods have more volume and fewer calories than others, of course, but no one argues about that, and since we can eat a variety of foods it doesn't mean that any are too calorie dense to include in some amount in an overall diet. (Well, I'd not waste calories by putting oil and butter in my coffee, but that's me--I don't like to drink calories in general.)0 -
Correct me if I'm wrong, OP, but your point was NOT that you cannot eat a donut. The point was more that you were amazed that those two gigantic spring rolls have the same calories as a donut... and for you, the two spring rolls are much better than the donut.
As I've started paying attention to calories, I've found that I'm much more picky about how I spend them because I want to be happy with the choice that I made. Sometimes it's a frozen yogurt, sometimes it's a piece of fruit, sometimes I get an ice cream cone from Dairy Queen. Regardless of what I eat, I want to be happy with it - both from a taste perspective and a calorie perspective.0 -
Correct me if I'm wrong, OP, but your point was NOT that you cannot eat a donut. The point was more that you were amazed that those two gigantic spring rolls have the same calories as a donut... and for you, the two spring rolls are much better than the donut.
Exactly Since MFP is a site dedicated to counting calories in attempts to control weight... Thank you for clarifying for me.
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I also enjoy comparing caloric count in foods. I think if everyone understood the tremendous differences in calorie counts many people would be in better shape. People are often shocked when I point out how many calories are in things like a fast food chicken sandwich!0
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bionicrooster wrote: »I also enjoy comparing caloric count in foods. I think if everyone understood the tremendous differences in calorie counts many people would be in better shape. People are often shocked when I point out how many calories are in things like a fast food chicken sandwich!
Agreed. I try to think of the calorie limit set by mfp as a "budget" where I can spend on either this or that, but which one is going to leave me fuller? Even if it is a sweet tooth I need to satisfy, which can I have more of; a bowl of strawberries or a piece of pie. I'd choose the one I can eat more of most of the time. The important thing (to me anyway) is giving yourself a choice.
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Man, those spring rolls look scrumptious!0
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I need volume to feel full, so I would opt for the spring rolls and only if I had the calories to spare later, the donut on the side, and I'd eat the donut first, then the spring rolls as ending any meal with something like that makes me feel hungry even if I'm really not.0
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To repeat myself, since I'm honestly curious:lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't see what any of this has to do with a calorie is a calorie. If one is a volume eater (which I am, to a certain extent) some foods have more volume and fewer calories than others, of course, but no one argues about that...
To elaborate, if I'm hungry I'm apt to go for something that seems filling, and I design my meals to be filling (basically half veggies and a nice mix of fat and protein, as well as the fiber), but I don't see a need to go beyond that and to be always comparing foods and picking the one I can have the most volume of. If that were the case I'd perhaps never have pasta but just eat more of the meat/veggie based sauce or eat only lean fish and boneless skinless chicken breast rather than my salmon or chicken with bones and skin or steak.
IF I were struggling with hunger I'd look at my diet and see where perhaps I was going wrong, but if one isn't hungry why would you make such comparisons or not try to include a nice mix of foods? (I don't care about donuts, so donuts wouldn't be my personal pick.)
It's almost as if you think lower calories are always better, and that's definitely not the case. I could feel "full," at least for a while, on 1200 calories, I suspect, given the right food choices, and yet at my current level of activity I don't think that's healthy.0 -
A calorie is a calorie. Just like a inch is an inch and a centimeter is a centimeter.
That may be so, on the plate, but the net caloric impact after consumption will be different.
The 300 calories from the spring roll won't be fully absorbed by the body while most of the calories from the doughnut will be.
Difference: fibre.0 -
I've found that I'm much more picky about how I spend them because I want to be happy with the choice that I made.
+1 on that. I'd rather have this giant 397 calorie salad with salmon on top (today's lunch) than the 500 calorie muffin another noted above or the 300 calorie doughnut. Or four doughnuts.
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A calorie is a calorie. Just like a inch is an inch and a centimeter is a centimeter.
That may be so, on the plate, but the net caloric impact after consumption will be different.
The 300 calories from the spring roll won't be fully absorbed by the body while most of the calories from the doughnut will be.
Difference: fibre.
Then why have I lost more weight eating pizza, donuts, beer and wine than I ever did when when I was eating, "clean,"?0 -
*facepalm*
There are many studies showing your excrement on a high fibre diet contains more energy (calories) from excreted unabsorbed dietary sources.
To put it simply, if that's even necessary, if it's in your poop, it's as if you didn't consume it.
What part of this do you wish to dispute? Do you really think the human digestive system is 100% efficient regardless of foodstuffs shovelled in the front end? That transit time through the digestive system doesn't matter?
Come on.
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Asher_Ethan wrote: »Then why have I lost more weight eating pizza, donuts, beer and wine than I ever did when when I was eating, "clean,"?
Clearly you were eating fewer input calories and maintained a deficit even though the absorption rate would be higher over a high fibre diet containing the same input energy (calories).
It's pretty simple folks.
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I can have a huge bowl of cucumbers and carrots for about 100 cals. I can have a piece of chocolate... which is less than the slice of one cucumber piece for the same amount.
Some days I choose the veggies.
Some days I choose the chocolate.
Most days I do both.
When I have few calories left for the day, and a ravenous appetite - I go for the foods that satisfy my need for volume and satiety.
When I have lots of calories left, and a sweet tooth - I go for sweets, or treats.
The tool I pick from the toolbox, is directly related to the project I want to complete.
except for wd-40 and ducttape.
If it's stuck, and it's supposed to move - use wd40
if it's moving and is supposed to be stuck - use ducttape
I wonder what food that would correlate to... maybe cheese. there's always gotta be place for cheese.0 -
If I had $500 to spend, I could buy a lot more pairs of running shoes than I could pairs of diamond earrings. That doesn't mean "not all dollars are created equal."
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Those spring rolls look delicious so realistically given a choice I would (at least right now) pick those...
But I think these comparisons can be tricky because for some people (myself included) the donut is the better option sometimes. Sure the spring rolls are healthier...but if I chose those every time I'd eventually start feeling like I'm depriving myself and then I'd eat that entire box of donuts...plus the bananas in the background. Moderation.0 -
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If that donut were from some place decent, I'd fit both foods into my day.
Seriously, that donut looks nasty0 -
How can you be arguing over calories when the real travesty is that you had mustard with your spring rolls?0
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Timorous_Beastie wrote: »If I had $500 to spend, I could buy a lot more pairs of running shoes than I could pairs of diamond earrings. That doesn't mean "not all dollars are created equal."
Precisely.0 -
*facepalm*
There are many studies showing your excrement on a high fibre diet contains more energy (calories) from excreted unabsorbed dietary sources.
To put it simply, if that's even necessary, if it's in your poop, it's as if you didn't consume it.
What part of this do you wish to dispute? Do you really think the human digestive system is 100% efficient regardless of foodstuffs shovelled in the front end? That transit time through the digestive system doesn't matter?
Come on.
*facepalm*
I'd like to dispute the fact, after I looked up other such claims over other certain foods/drinks "boosting metabolism" or "taking more calories to digest than others" and so on, that the difference is for this is probably not even enough to justify eating another half of those giant spring roll burritos. I.E. your poop on such a diet may contain more energy, but even 10-20 calories average would be considered "more". See people talking about TEF and how sugar takes less energy to digest than meat.0 -
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ceoverturf wrote: »I tried to conduct electricity through 6 inches of yarn...it was HORRIBLE! But 6 inches of copper wiring was awesome.
Conclusion: Copper wiring is good, yarn is bad. Not all inches are created equal.
As a knitter, I take offense at this, good sir! Clearly you are an MFP mean person. I should flag you.
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